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  • ra87
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 159

    #16
    Originally posted by nfn
    This is the answer I would like to ear! Is this official or just a supposition?
    As we can see, JS/IB are forcing us to buy the suite.
    It has been stated in a few threads by vB members of staff, an uprade from forums to suite will be around for $100, but a downgrade will not be possible from suite to forums only.

    meaning, if you buy suite now, your have to upgrade to suite later, or buy a new license.

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    • DanielSefton
      New Member
      • Oct 2009
      • 11
      • 3.8.x

      #17
      Okay, sorry guys, but I've got the urge to fire a pistol at this:

      Originally posted by nexialys
      you are not the one to call this question, and the answer was quite complete... thanks!
      That's the most elitist comment I've ever heard on a forum.

      You basically said that your response was perfect, and should be only ONLY response.

      Just because you have 2,041 posts, that doesn't make you any more important than any one else who helps.

      And as nfn just said, in fact what I said was exactly what he wanted to hear.

      Again, sorry, but I had to get that off my chest.

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      • nfn
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2006
        • 100

        #18
        Originally posted by Baba Wawa
        Someone asked that exact question in a post, and that was the answer given by a vB. staff person.

        Perhaps someone could find it by searching for "downgrade"?
        Thank you! I'll try to find it.

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        • nfn
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2006
          • 100

          #19
          Originally posted by ra87
          It has been stated in a few threads by vB members of staff, an uprade from forums to suite will be around for $100, but a downgrade will not be possible from suite to forums only.

          meaning, if you buy suite now, your have to upgrade to suite later, or buy a new license.
          I can buy a v5 forum license only, but I wouldn't have script to roll back the database from suite to forum as we have now.

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          • Baba Wawa
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2009
            • 495
            • 3.8.x

            #20
            Originally posted by nfn
            I can buy a v5 forum license only, but I wouldn't have script to roll back the database from suite to forum as we have now.
            No, but you can disable all parts of the suite except the forum. So you can still have just the forum.

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            • Wayne Luke
              vBulletin Technical Support Lead
              • Aug 2000
              • 73981

              #21
              Originally posted by DanielSefton
              ...except nfn would still have to pay the full suite price if he wanted to upgrade. So if he doesn't use it in the future, he'd be paying extra at upgrades for nothing. I think basically when VB 5 comes around, if you just want the forum, then you'd have to buy a new license.

              No he wouldn't... If he decided to purchase vBulletin Forum 5.0 when it was released, than that is what he would upgrade to. If he had never used the Suite's other components he wouldn't have lost anything.
              Translations provided by Google.

              Wayne Luke
              The Rabid Badger - a vBulletin Cloud demonstration site.
              vBulletin 5 API

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              • Baba Wawa
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2009
                • 495
                • 3.8.x

                #22
                Originally posted by Wayne Luke
                No he wouldn't... If he decided to purchase vBulletin Forum 5.0 when it was released, than that is what he would upgrade to. If he had never used the Suite's other components he wouldn't have lost anything.
                To the extent that this thread was progressing toward clarity, that is no longer the case.
                Last edited by Baba Wawa; Mon 19 Oct '09, 4:46pm.

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                • Wayne Luke
                  vBulletin Technical Support Lead
                  • Aug 2000
                  • 73981

                  #23
                  Don't know what isn't clear about it. The CMS and Blog content uses their tables. The forum uses its tables. You can purchase the Suite and disable and/or uninstall the CMS and blogs from within the Admin CP if you wanted to.

                  If you buy the Suite today and do not use the Blog or CMS components, you lose nothing buy purchasing Forums with the release of vBulletin 5.
                  Translations provided by Google.

                  Wayne Luke
                  The Rabid Badger - a vBulletin Cloud demonstration site.
                  vBulletin 5 API

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                  • Sadie Frost
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2001
                    • 126
                    • 5.0.X

                    #24
                    Wayne, I think the confusion is as to whether it is possible to upgrade now to Suite 4.0, then when 5.0 is released, "upgrade" to Forum-only 5.0?

                    There have been some statements that led some people to believe that if one purchases Suite 4.0 now, they must purchase Suite 5.0 if they wish to use vb 5.0.

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                    • Baba Wawa
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 495
                      • 3.8.x

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Sadie Frost
                      Wayne, I think the confusion is as to whether it is possible to upgrade now to Suite 4.0, then when 5.0 is released, "upgrade" to Forum-only 5.0?

                      There have been some statements that led some people to believe that if one purchases Suite 4.0 now, they must purchase Suite 5.0 if they wish to use vb 5.0.
                      Thank you, Sadie.

                      God forbid that anything about this should be clear.

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                      • theda
                        Member
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 79
                        • 4.0.x

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Wayne Luke
                        You can purchase the Suite and disable and/or uninstall the CMS and blogs from within the Admin CP if you wanted to.

                        If you buy the Suite today and do not use the Blog or CMS components, you lose nothing buy purchasing Forums with the release of vBulletin 5.
                        Originally posted by Sadie Frost
                        ...I think the confusion is as to whether it is possible to upgrade now to Suite 4.0, then when 5.0 is released, "upgrade" to Forum-only 5.0?

                        He said it plain-as-day. Yes, it's possible.

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                        • Sadie Frost
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2001
                          • 126
                          • 5.0.X

                          #27
                          I was just explaining the source of the confusion theda - no need to talk down to me.

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                          • nfn
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 100

                            #28
                            Ok. So these are good news!

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                            • Lucifer1337
                              Member
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 42

                              #29
                              I think the concerns raised by Baba Wawa are important ones. Now I'm no marketing genius, nor am I a conspiracy theorist, but it only makes sense for IB to offer a cheaper Suite than Forum-only package if they have some contingency plan down the line to make that money back on the Suite.

                              It's entirely possible that the business model behind this offer is that they think the Suite is just so awesome and use will be so widespread that come 5.0 people won't want to downgrade, or will have a developed CMS/Blog community and realistically can't, even if they were ambivalent about its utility. That would be a smart assumption and not necessarily shady dealing. On the other hand, if as concerns have stated, the business model relies on preventing downgrade for money saved, then that would be shady dealing.

                              I'm aware that Wayne has answered this, and I really do appreciate his effort and support in being helpful and constructive. However if there's anything the vB 3.x to vB 4.x licensing switch has shown, it's that we really can't have customer assurance in what to expect, and no court anywhere would uphold a forum response as legally binding if IB were to alter its policy.

                              I believe Wayne is telling it like it is currently, and trust that he's genuine, but also think it isn't being factored in that company policy can change and we as customers have no contingency plan besides getting out or stuffing it. And again, from a business standpoint the amount of overall customers who buy the Suite and want to downgrade will be much smaller than those who are affected by the current debacle. So they have less to lose from changing that policy then they do in the current situation, and we have nothing in writing that says they can't do that to us.

                              As well, both responses have stated that you won't lose anything by purchasing the forums come 5.x. It does not state you will be able to downgrade with a similar customer discount as those that are upgrading to like packages. All it says is that you could purchase it without losing anything, which could mean you have to buy it new or with no equitable discount.

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                              • nfn
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2006
                                • 100

                                #30
                                That's true and we have two questions here. One is about the license terms and the other is a technical questions.

                                The first one may change as we already saw, so no one can ensure what we have now.
                                From now on, we don't have upgrade license ... we buy a product we know will die when the new one came, so I can buy the suite today and 18/24 moths from now, I can buy the forum product only

                                The second is a more problematic, because today decision will have implications in the future and i need to ensure that I will have a option to go from suite to forum.

                                This doesn't mean I'll will do it. If my members prefer the suite I'll stay with it.

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