4.0.2 Feb 4th

[can1515]

thanks you

[jgas]

Hi,
what is RTL?

[ndL]

read or write from left/right

[philg]

RTL = Right To Left

[jgas]

thank you =)

[Grae]

Hire more people. Current team is insufficient.

When will 4.X match the features of 3.84? 2011? 2012?

[HOPEnSPIRIT]

Update: Please note that we are delaying the release of 4.0.2 because we are working to improve the quality of this build, primarily issues related to RTL languages and IE browsers. Currently we are targeting the end of next week for this release. While we know this will be a disappointment to some, we feel that it is more important to get these issues resolved in this version rather than pushing them to a future one.

They released Gold so fast to try and please people they damaged there reputation as the best Community software going, while having to use version 3 for now and having purchased 4 is extremely annoying I'm glad there now waiting until releases are ready.

Any news on Project Tools?

[HOPEnSPIRIT]

Hire more people. Current team is insufficient.

When will 4.X match the features of 3.84? 2011? 2012?

This wouldn't work as hiring more people who don't know the software would slow things down, there on a learning curve already, don't turn it into a roundabout.

[Paul M]

Any news on Project Tools?

Yes, is discontinued.

At some uundefined point it may be released on vbulletin.org.

[djbaxter]

In new methodology, errors from 4.0.2 will be fixed in 4.0.4, but reappear in 4.0.5. It speeds up development according to BB blog posts. It is some kind of Japan philosophy.

Now THAT is comedy!

[ndL]

its crazy and imo stupid to do like this, if you fix it - LEAVE IT! why to do the work twice?

[djbaxter]

its crazy and imo stupid to do like this, if you fix it - LEAVE IT! why to do the work twice?

You've never done any programming, have you?

When you have hundreds or thousands of lines of code, it's not unusual to find a bug in one line and fix that, only to discover that changing that line has created a problem somewhere else in the code.

That's not unique to vBulletin.

My only complaint about all this was the initial release of 4.0 Gold. That was NOT a Gold version. We still don't have a Gold version. We're still working through RC5 or RC6.

I waited for 4.01 to upgrade on one of my sites because I was worried that 4.0 would be buggy. I honestly did not anticipate how many bugs would be remaining in 4.01... we're already looking to 4.03 or 4.04 to get some of the reported bugs fixed. That is NOT a Gold version. And that's just the forum. In its current state, the CMS is barely functional.

I never install betas or RC versions and had I known that's what was released I would have waited to upgrade. I'm certainly not going to upgrade my other site until a lot more bugs are fixed.

[RadioErewan]

its crazy and imo stupid to do like this, if you fix it - LEAVE IT! why to do the work twice?

It is very good idea for alpha/beta development process. Just by splitting tasks to small teams focusing on small problems. You can utilize more resources and speed up development. But it needs also final touch before gold, when all differences are united/resolved.
It is not so good for debuged/mature product. It will tend to reintroduce fixed problems (we see it here, but no doubt product is not in gold stage). There is no need to rush, no need to do mongolian horde programming.
It is very bad idea for such rare situation, when top management names beta version gold, and annoys most of users with reintroduced bugs in bugfix releases.

Regards

[blur13th]

I can understand delay.. but please fix all remaining ie6 issues!!

[Super Cat]

I think they thought they had all of them fixed. But problems popped up again.
From 4.0.1 Blog.
We are currently working on 4.0.2 and this should be released in 2 to 3 weeks. Here is a list of fixes that have already been completed for 4.0.2:

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I can understand delay.. but please fix all remaining ie6 issues!!