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  • zomega
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2006
    • 165
    • 4.0.0

    #76
    Is that on your site with 10 active members?
    You seem pretty quick to insult others' lack of members. A cunning strategy employed by an equally cunning linguist. I'm impressed, I think I only posted the link to my site on here once so you actually went through the trouble of searching through all of my posts to find it.

    I would comment on why you would spend that much time and energy just to prove a point. But I believe it speaks for itself. I just started my website around a month ago. I know that's not an excuse for it being small but it's growing. One thing I find curious though, that if your site is so mammoth, that you see fit to judge others, are you really hurting for members so bad that you need the small percentage of users that still use IE6 to support your member base? That point seems to counter itself.

    IE6 is an 8 year old browser. Yeah eventually VB should support it but I don't think it's that big of a deal. There are other things that should should be fixed first. The CMS being one of them. It's called moving forward, and designing for an 8 year old browser isn't exactly doing that.

    I don't exactly know how the site looks in IE6, but IE7 it looks just fine. And if you have XP I believe Microsoft Update automatically upgrades you to IE7. o.o
    Last edited by zomega; Mon 28 Dec '09, 6:04am.
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    • smackLAN
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2005
      • 747
      • 3.8.x

      #77
      Originally posted by JamieinNH
      In fact in a past life I have created a built a huge community that has since sold. I say past life because I am no longer in the porn industry like I once was. I have become a Christian some years ago and although the porn site I had grew quicker than one could imaiage I would take me and my 18 active users any day over a fast and loose site like I once had.
      *off topic*, but congrats Brother, that was a wise decision on your part!
      Last edited by smackLAN; Mon 28 Dec '09, 7:01am.
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      • rsw686
        Member
        • Sep 2007
        • 47
        • 3.8.x

        #78
        Originally posted by zomega
        I don't exactly know how the site looks in IE6, but IE7 it looks just fine. And if you have XP I believe Microsoft Update automatically upgrades you to IE7. o.o
        You shouldn't be commenting without seeing for yourself what it looks like in IE6. It is completely unusable. I could live with cosmetic problems, but my IE6 users wouldn't even be able to read the content on the forum. Looks like I am not upgrading to vBulletin 4 as 10% of my users are still using IE6.
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        • Turbosport
          Member
          • May 2005
          • 45
          • 3.0.7

          #79
          My IE6 users are complainign like mad too.

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          • 0ptima
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2002
            • 1557

            #80
            Originally posted by zomega
            Personally I don't care. If members can't do me the favor of upgrading their browser(which is free by the way), than I'm not losing sleep if they can't view my site properly. They could upgrade to the latest version of IE, mozilla firefox, opera, chrome, or a myriad of others completely for free.
            Say you have a member who contributes a lot to your forum and after the upgrade cant contribute because he is stuck on IE6? Would you still care?

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            • BoYagoob
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2005
              • 229
              • 1.1.x

              #81
              Originally posted by schwab2clarkson
              What a boring person you are.....
              You get told to by microsoft. Why don't you look up the articles on the microsoft website and stop being so damn stubborn and pigheaded about it.
              if I need to read someting in the internet .. why don't you look up and just look around you? you just care about yourself with your damn and useless brain .. and forget the others! This is stupid way of thinking .. many people don't know even how to upgrade it!!

              I know one member .. who took his PC to a computer workshop to install msn messenger!

              not everybody in the world is professional like you .. << I guess ..

              anyway .. you can upgrade your forum if you are the only member of it "+_-

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              • aceofspades
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2006
                • 324
                • 3.6.x

                #82
                The whole discussion of how many members each site has is pointless, even if a board only has 10 members, statistically one of those members is using IE6 and should be catered for.

                Im not saying IE6 should be pristine, it doesnt have to have rounded corners, but it shouldnt look like it is a broken website either. I feel that this could be easily fixed with an IE6 conditional CSS file and I would like to know from VB if this is an unreasonable request.

                For the record, I hate IE6, I use chrome and I dont even have a very active forum at the moment (zombiemod.com) but this is really something I feel should be looked at for VB4.

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                • Jeremy8
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 161

                  #83
                  I was going to convert my forum to vB, but this is very bad news. According to Google Analytics my forum has had 400 IE6 visitors in the past month.

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                  • Protoss
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2004
                    • 242
                    • 3.8.x

                    #84
                    @schwab2clarkson
                    Where is this announcement you mention about IE6 end of support. I have asked you twice previously (in other threads) for the link and you fail to provide it.

                    IE6 Support will last until at least the end of life cycle for Windows XP SP 3. Then it is reviewed.

                    It's not ONLY about members. It's about visitors. Every visitor is an asset and this is vitally important to the success of any forum.

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                    • the geek
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2003
                      • 714
                      • 1.1.x

                      #85
                      Originally posted by zomega
                      You seem pretty quick to insult others' lack of members. A cunning strategy employed by an equally cunning linguist. I'm impressed, I think I only posted the link to my site on here once so you actually went through the trouble of searching through all of my posts to find it.
                      Nope, don't flatter yourself. I was curious of your anti user viewpoint (screw em if they don't upgrade) which usually indicates experience admining a dead community. However your slap down of another users opinion in this thread for only having 18 active customers contradicted that thought (gosh you're pretty quick to insult others' lack of members eh?)

                      Originally posted by zomega
                      I think it's funny that you are posing this question to this fellow when the site in your signature only has 18 active members. Your spouting off things like weak arguments and trying to make it seem like he doesn't run an active community. But in fact you don't run much of an active community either.

                      Oh the tangled webs we weave.
                      So I naturally assumed you must have a busy site. I didn't trawl your posts here. Like I care. However I stumbled upon your post at IPB today. Your URL is in your signature over there. Naturally...

                      I clicked.

                      I laughed.

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                      • zomega
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 165
                        • 4.0.0

                        #86
                        It's not a screw them if they don't upgrade attitude friend. What concerns me primarily is I don't want the niceties taken away to cater towards the 10% of users who use IE6.

                        I like being able to use the standards of the modern browsers. I don't want features taken away from the 90% of users using modern browsers to cater towards the 10%.
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                        • rsw686
                          Member
                          • Sep 2007
                          • 47
                          • 3.8.x

                          #87
                          Originally posted by zomega
                          I like being able to use the standards of the modern browsers. I don't want features taken away from the 90% of users using modern browsers to cater towards the 10%.
                          You can apply style sheets based on browser versions. All they need to do is develop a special case style sheet for IE6 users which provides basic functionality. Besides its not like any of the "niceties" work in IE7 or IE8. You are stuck with a non rounded corner looking forum in any IE version.
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                          • Defkalion
                            Member
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 87
                            • 3.8.x

                            #88
                            I hope this issue gets resolved quickly, otherwise I cannot use vb4. In my communities (about 130,000 visits per month) I get 11% with IE6.

                            Now in the past, I have chosed to drop modules that had effect on 1% of my users. And now I read here that webmasters actually consider shouting a "upgrade or go away" to whatever % of their members.

                            Wake up fellows, members are the most important asset of your communities. Sure, we DO all the hard technical work, but members are the "blood" of our websites. If I even lose ONE member it's a bad thing, you're telling me to consider losing 11% of my traffic?

                            On the other hand, I'm not gonna go yelling to IB, they make the decisions, it's their software. If they fix this, fine, I'll upgrade my communites. If they don't, I'll stick with 3.x or move to another community software.

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                            • kyrgyz
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 691

                              #89
                              Originally posted by Protoss
                              @schwab2clarkson
                              Where is this announcement you mention about IE6 end of support. I have asked you twice previously (in other threads) for the link and you fail to provide it.

                              IE6 Support will last until at least the end of life cycle for Windows XP SP 3. Then it is reviewed.
                              IE6 has next to nothing as far as support from Microsoft goes. There is even a IE6 end of life compaign.

                              Not defending schwab2clarkson here, but support for IE6 is like some mods at vb.org that say they are supported, but users can't get any support at all or very sporadically. To me IE6 is unsupported, however Microsoft claims. At this point the dates or announcements by Microsoft regarding IE6 are irrelevant.

                              We are officially joining the Joomla! Template Developer movement to end Joomla! support of IE6. Rockettheme, one of (if not THE) biggest Joomla! template clubs has just posted their announcement that they'll end support of IE6 by January 1st, 2010.
                              http://www.joomlapraise.com/team-blo...e-movement.php
                              Last edited by kyrgyz; Mon 28 Dec '09, 12:50pm.

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                              • JamieinNH
                                Senior Member
                                • May 2004
                                • 393
                                • 3.8.x

                                #90
                                We are officially joining the Joomla! Template Developer movement to end Joomla! support of IE6. Rockettheme, one of (if not THE) biggest Joomla! template clubs has just posted their announcement that they'll end support of IE6 by January 1st, 2010.
                                http://www.joomlapraise.com/team-blo...e-movement.php
                                From where I sit, this is the way it's suppose to be. Do you see they posted this in June of 2009 with an EOL date six months out? This gives anyone that is using their templates time to react and figure out what they want to do concerning their community.

                                I have no problem with VB not supporting IE6 (I wish they would) but the problem I have it there has been no such annoucement from the VB Team about EOL of supporting older browsers. In the MANY threads talking about the problems we're having the VB Team hasn't piped in to say one way of the other WHERE they stand.. Mum's the word with them on hot issues it would seem...

                                The above quoted people talking about Joomla at least let their community in the loop 6 months in advance...

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