You may not delete/move this user - The user is either: (But they're NOT!)

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  • GearTripper
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2004
    • 440

    You may not delete/move this user - The user is either: (But they're NOT!)

    While moving users from one usergroup to another, I noticed that a few got left behind. Upon further notice, the little exclamation box appeared next to their usernames with the following message...
    Code:
    You may not delete/move this user - The user is either:
    
    1) An Administrator
    2) A Super-Moderator
    3) A Moderator
    4) Undeletable User (config.php)
    5) You!
    The users in question were former Moderators, but clearly aren't and have not been for several iterations of vB. They are not any of the five suggested reasons posted either. Any suggestions as to why they are getting hung-up?
  • wda2015
    Senior Member
    • May 2001
    • 1135

    #2
    have you checked your config.php file?..
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    • GearTripper
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2004
      • 440

      #3
      Yes, checked and verified number 1-5.

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      • Steve Machol
        Former Customer Support Manager
        • Jul 2000
        • 154488

        #4
        What is the usergroupid if the group that user is in? Do you have any third-party add-ons installed?
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        • GearTripper
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2004
          • 440

          #5
          Originally posted by Steve Machol
          What is the usergroupid if the group that user is in? Do you have any third-party add-ons installed?
          Various usergroupid's; tried with several with same results. Disabled products/plugins, same results. I cannot reproduce this with any other userid except for these three former Moderators that used to be Moderators over a year ago. Not a huge issue, but it's there. Thought maybe something might be tagging along somewhere in the DB attached to the userid.

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          • Steve Machol
            Former Customer Support Manager
            • Jul 2000
            • 154488

            #6
            I cannot duplicate this on an unmodified vB test forum so without any further info I would have to say a modification is causing this.

            Note: Just because you disabled or removed add-on does not remove the changes they made to the database.
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            • GearTripper
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2004
              • 440

              #7
              Speaking of the DB...

              In the Moderator table;

              Full Texts moderatorid userid forumid permissions importmoderatorid permissions2
              Edit Delete 1 1 -1 8339455 0 131071
              Edit Delete 2 38 -1 8207871 0 113659
              Edit Delete 4 22 -1 8207871 0 113659
              Edit Delete 5 279 -1 8207871 0 113659
              Edit Delete 6 4 -1 8207871 0 113659

              All userid's (38,22,279,4) sans myself (1) are no longer Moderators and the current Moderators are not listed here. What is this table referring to?

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              • GearTripper
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2004
                • 440

                #8
                Running the following SQL query:
                DELETE FROM `moderator` WHERE `moderator`.`moderatorid` =2 LIMIT 1 ;
                DELETE FROM `moderator` WHERE `moderator`.`moderatorid` =4 LIMIT 1 ;
                DELETE FROM `moderator` WHERE `moderator`.`moderatorid` =5 LIMIT 1 ;
                DELETE FROM `moderator` WHERE `moderator`.`moderatorid` =6 LIMIT 1 ;

                has removed the entries and fixed the problem. Still a bit curious as to what caused this though.

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                • baghdad4ever
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 587
                  • 4.1.x

                  #9
                  i have the same

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                  • Zachery
                    Former vBulletin Support
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 59097

                    #10
                    Did you ever add these users to a forum as moderators?

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                    • Wayne Luke
                      vBulletin Technical Support Lead
                      • Aug 2000
                      • 73976

                      #11
                      Originally posted by GearTripper
                      has removed the entries and fixed the problem. Still a bit curious as to what caused this though.
                      You assigned the people as moderators in the Forum Manager and never removed them as Moderators. Moderator permissions have nothing to do with Usergroup permissions and are stored separately.

                      In fact the Moderator usergroup imparts no special permissions on its own and has the same basic permissions as the Registered Usergroup by default. It was only added because people wanted a usergroup for their moderators for whatever reason.
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                      • GearTripper
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 440

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Wayne Luke
                        You assigned the people as moderators in the Forum Manager and never removed them as Moderators. Moderator permissions have nothing to do with Usergroup permissions and are stored separately.

                        In fact the Moderator usergroup imparts no special permissions on its own and has the same basic permissions as the Registered Usergroup by default. It was only added because people wanted a usergroup for their moderators for whatever reason.
                        So when I selected the REMOVE button next to "If You Would Like to Remove this Moderator", I wasn't really removing them as Moderators? C'mon man, I know better then that! In any case, my particular issue was fixed as noted above. Don't always assume your users don't know what they're doing. The problem was obviously an issue with vB somewhere along the line.

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                        • baghdad4ever
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 587
                          • 4.1.x

                          #13
                          i make them moderator in the past with certain permission

                          and then i transfere them to registered user group and remove it from REMOVE button

                          but when i prune the user

                          i cant

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                          • Zachery
                            Former vBulletin Support
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 59097

                            #14
                            USergroups do not make a person a moderator normally, you need to make sure they're not listed as a moderator.

                            AdminCP > Forums & Moderators > Show All Moderators.

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                            • baghdad4ever
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 587
                              • 4.1.x

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Zachery
                              USergroups do not make a person a moderator normally, you need to make sure they're not listed as a moderator.

                              AdminCP > Forums & Moderators > Show All Moderators.

                              yes they r not listed in the Show All Moderators list

                              but i still cant prune or remove them

                              and i edit the members now and i see

                              they r in the registered usergroup

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