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  • spiceplace
    New Member
    • May 2007
    • 4
    • 3.6.x

    I was wondering the other day, when I was getting a flood of signups, if the imagehash on the vb capcha was unique to each board.

    This was the link to the image generation on the verify page:
    image.php?type=regcheck&imagehash=d47dd74a5f12b99d 1d5a3fde6236aedd

    If not unique to each board, then anyone with access to the vb source could rip through a few billion iterations of the function call, store the hash and the code that the user keys. Once you have enough of them, then you don't need to see, you have a db of hash and response. That was my thought on how they're getting by the human verification. A per board seed would prevent this, should that be the root cause.

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    • spiceplace
      New Member
      • May 2007
      • 4
      • 3.6.x

      Originally posted by Steve Machol
      We have had confirmation from one forum that a human registered, then turned over the Q&A info to a bot which then rapidly added new registrations to began spamming.
      Steve, I have a log file of one of the signups. The accesses are 1 second apart and it took several tries to get the captcha key. I can provide the log to someone there if you want to see it. It's only about 12 lines. PM me if you want the log.

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      • Steve Machol
        Former Customer Support Manager
        • Jul 2000
        • 154488

        No need. As I said this has already been confirmed. There is very little you can do to stop a human from registering and then turning over things to a bot.
        Steve Machol, former vBulletin Customer Support Manager (and NOT retired!)
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        • spiceplace
          New Member
          • May 2007
          • 4
          • 3.6.x

          Originally posted by Steve Machol
          No need. As I said this has already been confirmed. There is very little you can do to stop a human from registering and then turning over things to a bot.
          But I installed recaptcha Thursday evening and the bots have been stopped. If it were a human, they certainly would be able to read the two words and type them in.

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          • Steve Machol
            Former Customer Support Manager
            • Jul 2000
            • 154488

            I did not say that every instance of spammers is being done by humans. Some are and some aren't.

            By the way the staff is brainstorming some ideas that look promising.
            Steve Machol, former vBulletin Customer Support Manager (and NOT retired!)
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            • fatal1980
              Member
              • Jul 2006
              • 63

              I'm pretty sure my post got deleted, but xrumer is most likely the cause of the spam.

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              • Floris
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2001
                • 37767

                Originally posted by fatal1980
                I'm pretty sure my post got deleted, but xrumer is most likely the cause of the spam.
                I do not see a deleted post in your profile. And yes, it's xrumer most likely due to it's recent release.

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                • fatal1980
                  Member
                  • Jul 2006
                  • 63

                  Ah. I might have posted on the vbulletin.org then Thanks!

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                  • hotshot
                    Member
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 62
                    • 3.8.x

                    Same problem here, my forum is getting hammered with new registrations of spammers. Vbulletin appears to be in denial, TOO MANY people are being compromised for this to be human.

                    Most of the email addresses are @gmail.com
                    Last edited by hotshot; Sat 4 Oct '08, 3:46pm.

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                    • Floris
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2001
                      • 37767

                      If you read this thread you'd see we are not in denial.

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                      • hotshot
                        Member
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 62
                        • 3.8.x

                        What would be really cool is if we could use something like this http://www.maxmind.com/app/city and restrict registrations from certain countries etc.
                        When I see the word RIPE I know it is trouble.

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                        • stoneaccents
                          New Member
                          • Jul 2007
                          • 11

                          Recent upgrade now Porn spam

                          I just upgraded VB last week and now I am getting slammed by porn spammers. I have a digital scrapbook site I have had about 100 porn spams in the last 2 days. I have heard that a lot of other scrapbook sites have been hit this week also. All of my settings are right. It seems kind of odd that as soon as I upgrade the spams start. What do I need to do to stop this????

                          I tried to change the adminpc folder and the config.php folder like VB support said and I got page not found when I tried to go to the forum, what could I have done wrong, I named the admin folder the same thing as I named
                          $config['Misc']['admincpdir'] = 'admincp';
                          Last edited by stoneaccents; Sun 5 Oct '08, 3:30pm.

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                          • beishe8
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 6782
                            • 4.2.X

                            Originally posted by beishe8
                            I'll try it.
                            Nospam is temporarily disabled.
                            I'm using only Q&A with the harder to break option.
                            So far I do not have any unwanted registrations.

                            Thanks for the explanation,Freddie.


                            vB5 is unequivocally the best forum software, but not yet...

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                            • Dozman
                              Member
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 35
                              • 3.6.x

                              I also had Spammers and Porns posting with 3.6.8 and I just upgraded to 3.7.3 and saw Steve post about reCaptcha. I have register and added it to my site and then beefed up some setting. I have mine that when they post. I have to confirm it first. Then if I see something that look wrong. I had there IP and name to the Ban list.

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                              • Steve Machol
                                Former Customer Support Manager
                                • Jul 2000
                                • 154488

                                I also recommend using the Q&A profile field option.
                                Steve Machol, former vBulletin Customer Support Manager (and NOT retired!)
                                Change CKEditor Colors to Match Style (for 4.1.4 and above)

                                Steve Machol Photography


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