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  • Vbulletin should finally fix the reputation bars and have them make sense for admin and user.

    I hope that this post will help the massive confusion about reputation ("likes" but that's a silly not intuitive name that is too tough to search for so vbulletin should also quit using that term in my opinion. It gets even more confusing when you include any facebook integration )



    The current setup is as follows:
    The reputation manager in the admincp ONLY makes changes about the reputation description. This description is only see when mousing over the reputation bar (those lighted "pips" seen under my name). It does NOTHING to the bar itself.


    The bar itself does not respond to any of your settings. It goes up and up until it hits ~600 reputation and then its maxed. That's it.
    That means someone with the top reputation level or the middle level, as long as they have at least 600 they will be maxed out. You have to hover over the bar to see any difference.

    Of course, this is bad design and makes no sense at all to the end user.

    Users do not know to hover over this bar.
    Hovering over the bar may tell you two different reputation descriptions for two different users, but both have full bars lit up.

    So, not only do the bars fill up too fast (600 reputation -- my users hit this in about 6 weeks with all the default settings), there is nothing the admin can do to change this. The ~600 is hard coded.
    Your admincp changes to reputation ONLY change the mouse over description.


    This needs to be changed. Not a single user on my forum knew to mouse over this bar by default. OF COURSE everyone uses the visual queue which is the whole point of the bar.


    The fix is simple of course...

    When a user hits a new reputation level (the same one we already set in the admincp) the software should light another bar. This is straight forward, links the bar to the reputation and reputation description, and allows the admin to control how fast these bars light up. If you search the forum, this is exactly what most people THINK this system is doing, but it is not and is the cause of much confusion.

    If you agree, click here and vote. This needs fixing. Otherwise reputation system basically does nothing after 600 reputation, other than change a mostly hidden value.
    http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-14349

  • medved
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    Originally posted by Wayne Luke View Post

    Are you using the default settings for this? Or did you edit how people earn and give reputation in the settings?

    Though, the reputation bars in the Userinfo box are completely unrelated to the number of posts a user has.
    I used the default, I think, because there is no user manual for that. So i didn't know how to use it. But then I realized the bars are filling up crazy fast. So i had to look into it. Some people had reputation power of 40. 15 likes from that person means 600 likes and the reputation bars are full. That is crazy. And I have a user with just 542 likes and his bars are already all full.

    So I went to User Reputation Manager and edited it so that the highest reputation power is now 4.

    But hat, I think, caused another big problem. Because now a person with 3400 likes according to settings in User Reputation Manager should be in level "is a splendid one to behold" (fourth from the top), BUT the forum shows that he is only in level "will become famous soon enough" (basically just third level from the positive bottom) in much lover level.

    It looks like the website recalculated retroactively the total number of likes based on this new settings in User Reputation Manager. But in the adminCP under that user name there is still 3400 likes.

    So i don't know what to do with it now. I will have to hire some external help for this, because it looks like competent people from vB 5 will not work on it maybe for another 5 years, if at all.

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  • Wayne Luke
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    Originally posted by medved View Post
    When this reputation bars problem will be fixed? I have people with 100 posts or less and they have already all bars filled up. Can someone please fix it?
    Are you using the default settings for this? Or did you edit how people earn and give reputation in the settings?

    Though, the reputation bars in the Userinfo box are completely unrelated to the number of posts a user has.

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  • In Omnibus
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    It's not an accurate reflection of a member's contribution to the forums. It's simply a reflection of popularity.

  • medved
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    Reputation is actually very, very useful. It motivates people to post and to be active. One of the most useful features.

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  • In Omnibus
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    I've long argued reputation is the most abused and least useful feature of forum software. Having said that I do understand it's a popular feature. On my test site I go from zero bars to two bars at 100 reputation points regardless of the values entered in the AdminCP. I've even tried changing the values in the functions_reputation.php file based on the comments in the file but they appear to be for vBulletin 4.x and have no effect on vBulletin 5.

  • Mark.B
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    Originally posted by In Omnibus View Post

    Adjusting the values has no effect on the pips.
    It does if you remove the reputation values out of the database.
    Admittedly that worked on vB4 where the same issues occurred. I haven't tried it on vB5.

    My own view is that the pips should be scrapped and be replaced with a simple total number of likes.

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  • In Omnibus
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    Originally posted by Mark.B View Post
    You can adjust the levels for the pips in the admincp. Generally for this to work as expected you then have to reset all the reputation scores and start again.
    Adjusting the values has no effect on the pips.

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  • Mark.B
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    You can adjust the levels for the pips in the admincp. Generally for this to work as expected you then have to reset all the reputation scores and start again.

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  • voyger
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    Originally posted by medved View Post
    When this reputation bars problem will be fixed? I have people with 100 posts or less and they have already all bars filled up. Can someone please fix it?
    I agree with you got the same problem wonder if ever will be a fix

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  • medved
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    When this reputation bars problem will be fixed? I have people with 100 posts or less and they have already all bars filled up. Can someone please fix it?

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  • fionix
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    Voted for it... other Vbulletin forums have this working, so I don't understand why there is no one that can post a simple fix for it somewhere!

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  • medved
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    I also don't get why there are 10 bars when 2 bars are always lighted at the same time. You can just have there 5 bars. It doesn't make sense to light 2 bars at the same time. It would be better to show there actual number of likes.
    Last edited by medved; Fri 18th Jan '19, 1:26pm.

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  • Wayne Luke
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    I think the idea has merit so I voted for it. The more votes an improvement request gets, the more likelihood that it will get implemented. May take a while though. Many high voted vBulletin 4 suggestions didn't get implemented until vBulletin 5.

  • mangoz
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    I did, its in the OP

    http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-14349

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