Speed Still An Issue What Is VB's View

[oldz442]

Check out the B21 site below. The fastest vb5 one I have seen so far. Using NGINX IIRC.

http://www.coachcalorie.com/forums/

[AlexanderT]

Check out the B21 site below. The fastest vb5 one I have seen so far. Using NGINX IIRC.

http://www.coachcalorie.com/forums/

Doesn't feel fast to me. Like, when I click on a thread, there is always a delay after the page has loaded before things are avatars are shown.

[Mark.B]

It's not *amazingly* fast for me either (the site above), though it is certainly reasonably so.

I find my own vB5 site faster, but this could all be down to host locastion...I'm in the UK, hosted in the UK.
I too find the demo slow at times, others do not so I don't really know.

There's still work being done on speed of page loads, I can promise it's been, and still is, an important focus.

[hornstar6969]

Check out the B21 site below. The fastest vb5 one I have seen so far. Using NGINX IIRC.

http://www.coachcalorie.com/forums/

That is basically an empty site and it still wasn't that fast. Is that your site?

[oldz442]

No. It is fastest B21 site on my computer so...

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I am also running Waterfox 64-bit

[lostincable]

Any updates????

These are my personal thoughts...

So we are at beta 27 and it sounds like beta 28 is just around the corner and then RC1 is being talked about.

Frankly I am shocked, amused and saddened at what has happend since this thread has started and I don't want to sound harsh but that is the reality of where we are today.

VB5 is still slow no way to put it other than that, browsing a VB4, PHPBB, MyBB, VB3 site is much more responsive than VB5.

With all the above mentioned forum software packages you click a link and bang its there.

VB5 you click a link and its like a freeze in time where the page goes white waiting to load before you see the page.

There has also been no clear road map from VBulletin staff about what is -

a) Causing the speed issues

b) What is the direct road map to have the speed issues addressed 100%

c) No clear drive by the VB team to bring the speed issue to a head other than a few comments of "Beta 28 is going to address speed"

The dissapointing thing is VB5 as a product looks good and I do like the features and things it has to offer and I am sure many others share the same sentiments.

BUT and its a big BUT it is still SLOW and so much so every person I have asked to test it by looking at the demo forum, other forums using it have all said NO we will not use it as we constantly find ourselves leaving the window that houses the VB5 site and looking at other pages while we wait for it to load simply because it is SLOW....

I am 10000000000000% sure if we had more direction from VBulletin on what and when is going to address these obvious lags in load times once and for all then it would be a great product but to date all we have seen is beta after beta with bug fixes and the few mentions of speed fixes and no one drive to have the issue resolved.

So Wayne / VB sorry to sound harsh but I do like VB5 but I have not purchased a licence simply because of the speed.

Can you provide a clear road map of what will increase performance, when this will be implemented and when we can expect a demo site that show cases VB5 to a similiar spec of what it should be?????

[Wayne Luke]

I don't know what to say. I don't experience the issues you describe. I don't know why the demo site has the initial page load issues that it has. I have no control over the servers and am not knowledgeable enough to recommend changes. I never have white pages. There have been over 100 changes to make the pages load quicker. They are much smaller than they were originally and almost as responsive as vBulletin 4.2.0 using a backup of this exact site and using this site as the baseline. Performance is important and we'll continue to improve it. Currently the system scores in the 90s with GTMetrix so there are still improvements that need to be made. Granted we're not using all the performance feature such as offloading static content to CDN, storing templates as files and other tools. However vBulletin 5 relies heavily on caching and large sites will have to use memcache. There is no way around it as I suspect the API driven REST interface people have asked for over the years causes an additional layer. That is to say the Presentation Layer doesn't actually have direct access like the heavy procedural code in vBulletin 3 and 4.

I wouldn't consider 5.0.0 as the final say in performance. It is something we'll continue to work on. If vBulletin 4 continues to work for you then use it until you're ready to upgrade. We've never forced anyone to upgrade to a version that didn't work for them. I will say that if you don't have vBulletin 5 installed on your server, you can't see the full performance of it, tweak the caching to fit your needs or take advantage of all the performance features. Plus the Demo site is currently 3 versions behind what is being tested.

[Deimos]

I think the real test will be seeing this site running VB5, then we can guage how a large site would perform on the software.

Do you guys have a plan to upgrade this site to the Beta/RC versions, or the Gold version?

[Wayne Luke]

There are plans to upgrade to vBulletin 5. I don't know the specific version that will be used though. I guess it depends on regressions and testing on the current iteration. I'd consider vBulletin.com a medium sized site though. Only 2.3 million posts.

[Deimos]

Ahh, thanks

[IcEWoLF]

I'll put up a public version up of my site on vB5 in the next day or two. It's fast ^^.

[Grotesque]

I'd like to grab the advantage of this topic to ask a question regarding databases. Hence, I consider myself highly advanced on html(5)/css(3) and javascript skills, but something Ive hardly used before are databases. When I installed vb5 for the first time, I hardly ever touched databases before (unless it was with wordpress and alike). Thing is, I'm using phpmyadmin and there wasn't a guide about it for installing the forums on the database (making tables and such). So I picked what felt right and sounded right.

Are there any optimizations to be done for the database on my end? I mean, could I do something wrong when installing vb5 on it? Also, how exactly does mysqli work? How do I address it to the database? Right now I used 'utf8_general_ci' as coalition?

[Wayne Luke]

While not really on topic, I'll answer your questions.

Are there any optimizations to be done for the database on my end? I mean, could I do something wrong when installing vb5 on it?

phpMyAdmin is an interface to MySQL that runs as a web application. You're still using MySQL behind the scenes. If you have a VPS or Dedicated server, we have a Server Configuration forum below where you can get help with optimization. If you're on a shared server, your options are more limited.

Also, how exactly does mysqli work?

mysqli is a PHP class for accessing MySQL databases. The i stands for internal. In older versions of PHP, they used a mysql class which relied on libraries supplied by the MySQL server. With mysqli, everything is internal to PHP and can be optimized better. Generally you'll get a bit of a speed boost but it doesn't work any differently than mysql otherwise. PHP also offers the mysqlnd and pdo_mysql classes for accessing database. However we do not use these at this time.

How do I address it to the database?

There is nothing to do with mysqli in the database directly. You would specify this in your /core/includes/config.php file so vBulletin uses it.

Right now I used 'utf8_general_ci' as coalition?

Collation refers to how things are sorted. As long as your database, tables and fields all have the same collation, you should be able to choose which ever one you want. It isn't recommended to change it though. I believe that utf8_general_ci is the default collation in MySQL 5.5. This should work without issue. However if you have a non-latin language and there are special sorting rules then you would want to choose a collation that works with that language.

[Deimos]

mysqli is a PHP class for accessing MySQL databases. The i stands for internal. In older versions of PHP, they used a mysql class which relied on libraries supplied by the MySQL server. With mysqli, everything is internal to PHP and can be optimized better. Generally you'll get a bit of a speed boost but it doesn't work any differently than mysql otherwise. PHP also offers the mysqlnd and pdo_mysql classes for accessing database. However we do not use these at this time.

Doesn't the "i" stand for "Improved"?

The MySQLi Extension (MySQL Improved) is a relational database driver used in the PHP programming language to provide an interface with MySQL databases.

MySQLi is an improved version of the older PHP MySQL driver, offering various benefits.[1]

The developers of the PHP programming language recommend using MySQLi when dealing with MySQL server versions 4.1.3 and newer (takes advantage of new functionality).[1]

[Wayne Luke]

I guess so. Always thought it referred to using internal classes. I am sorry, that I don't memorize the PHP manual. You're obviously the better person in that regard.