So are we saying that right now we are not on the release schedule in the email or are we? With the software on sale I think that constitutes a release, but I don't know for sure and I don't want to assume. Because if they meant for that email to be that the CMS will not be in the GOLD release and it will be in a point release, then that is an entirely different picture, than just saying 5.0 because 5.0 is out and on sale now. Also who is to say that the beta won't go to a point release before it goes gold and then starts over as 5.0.0? That email doesn't answer those questions.
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So are we saying that right now we are not on the release schedule in the email or are we? With the software on sale I think that constitutes a release, but I don't know for sure and I don't want to assume. Because if they meant for that email to be that the CMS will not be in the GOLD release and it will be in a point release, then that is an entirely different picture, than just saying 5.0 because 5.0 is out and on sale now. Also who is to say that the beta won't go to a point release before it goes gold and then starts over as 5.0.0? That email doesn't answer those questions.
A point release would be 5.1 or 5.2 or 5.3. All of those come after 5.0, so there's no chance of a point release prior to the end of beta.My Live vB5 Site - NZEating.com
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You could say yea, 5.0 beta x is on sale now, but that email just said 5.0 not 5.0 Gold. And the homepage is saying 5.0 too with just a disclaimer that it is still a beta.Comment
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It might be that they didn't think it necessary to tell people that.
You don't see a lot of automobile ads that state "With 4 wheels!" or "Not suitable for prolonged periods of use submerged in salt water!" because those things are implied - like with the release cycle of software, and especially where it's clearly stated that things like support only start ticking once it goes gold.
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[QUOTE=Solitaire;2354371]Since when does part of an "initial release" become a "point release"? Who does that?[/QUOTE]
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Point releases are where major additions are made to software. A CMS would be a major addition, so it would warrant a Point Release.My Live vB5 Site - NZEating.com
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I mean is it really too much to ask to get an official email that says
*This beta sale is not a part of the phased initial release schedule
*Gold release will begin the phased initial release
*The CMS will be a point release to be determined.
And yes a point release is a major addition to the software but it is not considered to be an initial release. However, if this is the position of vb why would anyone upgrade from a 4.2 suite to 5.0 gold without a CMS being present?
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It might be that they didn't think it necessary to tell people that.
You don't see a lot of automobile ads that state "With 4 wheels!" or "Not suitable for prolonged periods of use submerged in salt water!" because those things are implied - like with the release cycle of software, and especially where it's clearly stated that things like support only start ticking once it goes gold.Comment
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To be fair, not everyone uses CMS. Also of those who do there are some who will be able to do without and others that can use the sitebuilder for the purpose for the time being. Personally Im in the latter. There is nothing I need in the cms that I cannot create pages for with sitebuilder for the time being. End of the day not everyone needs it so to say "anyone" is simply not correct. I mean there are also those who do not have suite in the first place, which is a lot of people I would have thought.👍 1Comment
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To be frank, the CMS has never been a selling point of vBulletin. It's simply not the primary function of the software. It's an additional feature half of the customers care about half of the time. If one needed CMS to be the primary function one has far more appealing options. vBulletin 5 has the potential to change that. My sites would require a CMS that is easily changed from one hour to the next. vB5 has the architecture to do just exactly that. For all of the positives of WordPress, there are definite drawbacks to using it as a plugin CMS. The 100% customizable "drag and drop" CMS of vB5 should make it every bit as useful as WordPress with the added benefit of single sign-on, higher security, etc. One thing I find to be a complete drawback to WordPress is that in order to use it as a CMS I would have to update it several times daily. That is far more time consuming than the return warrants. There are also a fairly large number of customers who simply want improved forum software and couldn't care less about CMS, articles, blogs, albums, etc. It's a time-consuming challenge to attempt to release a product that is pleasing to most of the customer base most of the time. This is why vB isn't forcing customers under duress to purchase the vB5 beta and is offering vB4.2 with the purchase of a vB5 beta license. Because customers who do depend on the CMS won't upgrade until vB5 has one. And that's just one of the countless reasons.👍 1Comment
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For whom? It wasn't for me and for the first several releases after 4.0 I wasn't using it at all (with 2 licenses). I bought the suite rather than the forum only version because I thought it might be something I would use down the line, which turned out to be the case. And numerous other people bought the forum only version because they didn't want the CMS and Blog features at all - ever. For all those people, if I understand correctly, there won't be a forum only version of vB5 but they may well want to upgrade anyway for the new look-and-feel or features.Last edited by djbaxter; Fri 2 Nov '12, 8:04am.👍 1Comment
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To be fair, not everyone uses CMS. Also of those who do there are some who will be able to do without and others that can use the sitebuilder for the purpose for the time being. Personally Im in the latter. There is nothing I need in the cms that I cannot create pages for with sitebuilder for the time being. End of the day not everyone needs it so to say "anyone" is simply not correct. I mean there are also those who do not have suite in the first place, which is a lot of people I would have thought.
To be frank, the CMS has never been a selling point of vBulletin. It's simply not the primary function of the software. It's an additional feature half of the customers care about half of the time. If one needed CMS to be the primary function one has far more appealing options. vBulletin 5 has the potential to change that. My sites would require a CMS that is easily changed from one hour to the next. vB5 has the architecture to do just exactly that. For all of the positives of WordPress, there are definite drawbacks to using it as a plugin CMS. The 100% customizable "drag and drop" CMS of vB5 should make it every bit as useful as WordPress with the added benefit of single sign-on, higher security, etc. One thing I find to be a complete drawback to WordPress is that in order to use it as a CMS I would have to update it several times daily. That is far more time consuming than the return warrants. There are also a fairly large number of customers who simply want improved forum software and couldn't care less about CMS, articles, blogs, albums, etc. It's a time-consuming challenge to attempt to release a product that is pleasing to most of the customer base most of the time. This is why vB isn't forcing customers under duress to purchase the vB5 beta and is offering vB4.2 with the purchase of a vB5 beta license. Because customers who do depend on the CMS won't upgrade until vB5 has one. And that's just one of the countless reasons.
Do you understand the concept of a beta release? No beta is ever part of "the phased initial release schedule". It is exactly what it says - a beta version - which most people would and should know will contain bugs, probably numerous bugs, and which will typically lack full functionality. This isn't IB policy. This is universal.Comment
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That's not necessarily a negative, of course. vBulletin isn't custom coded for me or you or anyone else. There are several other features in vBulletin that I never used, e.g., groups and reputation, but I'm sure there are others who would see those features as essential.
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4.X Forum license was actually more expensive because it did not include ticket support. For $10 over the cost of the Forum License and Ticket Support, you can purchase the Suite. Saves money in the long run.Translations provided by Google.
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See my post above.
Not necessarily. See my post above. There was a better discount on the suite and I thought I might eventually try the additional features, i.e., the BLOG as well as the CMS. Indeed, on one site my members are beginning to use the blogs in a limited way but even though it's now enabled the CMS feature is virtually dead.
That's not necessarily a negative, of course. vBulletin isn't cutom codedx for me or you or anyone else. There are several other features in vBulletin that I never used, e.g., groups and reputation, but I'm sure there are others who would see those features as essential.
Fair enough. Clearly everyone doesn't think exactly the same as you do.
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I dont think I looked at that when I made my purchases. Infact I know I didn't because I was upgrading one 3.x site and I started one on 4.x so yea, that wasn't a deciding factor but I can understand how a brand new user might see that benefit.Comment
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To be frank, the CMS has never been a selling point of vBulletin. It's simply not the primary function of the software. It's an additional feature half of the customers care about half of the time. The 100% customizable "drag and drop" CMS of vB5 should make it every bit as useful as WordPress with the added benefit of single sign-on, higher security, etc. fairly large number of customers who simply want improved forum software and couldn't care less about CMS, articles, blogs, albums, etc.
The 100% customizable "drag and drop" CMS of vB5 sounds great but unless I missed something in the recent announcements it's still not here today.Comment
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by Bald BouncerI would just like clarification/assurance on things like the CMS not being added at additional cost or any of the other features of VB4 being sold to us as additional packages to VB5.
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by ABDUR7MAANgood morning ...
It's a good thing.
But why not add some properties to the third and fourth generation.
For example:
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