The mod community will embrace vB5 Connect.
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They also expect that the mod community will be severely damaged by vb5.
Could you comment on their statements?I buy 420 forums
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You see, xF takes the Model-View-Controller (MVC for short) principle and sticks to it. In other words, you cannot access the database in the "View" layer (vB calls it the "presentation" layer). This means you have to ensure you've fetched all your data prior to actually sending it to the presentation layer.
There's no way to call PHP code from within templates like it is in vB5.
This fact alone can, depending on the needs of your addon, significantly slow down development time on xF as you attempt to find a work-around. However, in fairness, only 1 addon that I've written for xF was affected, namely xFShout (vBShout).
I believe the work-around I used was to initialise the database variable aga
The other addons we wrote for xF were completed with little to no problems or difference in development time
Please do note that this does not mean xF or vB "does it wrong" or "does it right" - both forum softwares simply took a design paradigm and implemented it in their own unique way. Personally, I happen to prefer vB's implementation for the reasons IceWolf displayed in the quoted blog post
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The concerns made by Rafio, Shawn(digitalpoint), Floren(Sphinx searchlight) state that vb5 has horrible code quality and is the code/design of the software is a complete disaster and that it would be best for IB to scrap it and start over.
They also expect that the mod community will be severely damaged by vb5.
Could you comment on their statements?
As far as the idea that the mod community will be serverely damaged by vB5... People said the same thing about vB4. vB4 currently has more mods than vB 3.8, so we all know how that turned out . Is vB5 different from vB3/4? Yes. Will some people drop out rather than learn the new system? Yep. Do I think other people will fill that gap over time? Absolutely.
I can't speak for every mod author here, but I can say from personal experience that the team currently in place are going out of their way to support mod authors as much as possible - directly engaging developers to find out how the system could be made friendlier for them. They are making much more of an effort than I can recall being made at the start of vB4 - more of an effort than I've heard of from other forum software as well. The fact they recognize the importance of the mod community bodes well.
As I've mentioned before, the code does have problems, but we're basing our statements not just on the code as it exists, but from our knowledge of the continuing improvements and our expectation of how the product will be if the same effort and pace continues. If you look at an early beta (as those posts are) and assume that's the end product then yeah such drastic end of the world opinions might hold weight - that's not the end product though, and the rate of change and fixes has me feeling optimistic about the end product.
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What bothers me, is several professional coders say the code is awful, yet DByte, who I consider a professional coder as well, seems to be saying opposite.
So I can only assume that his statement was made, because his entire website is devoted to VB themes and plugins.
He probably fears for the future of VB5, thus makes said statement to try and guarantee his sales for the future, as his opinion on such things MUST have an effect on potential VB5 customers.Comment
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I've just installed one of his mods and it looks quite good to me. His site isn't entirely devoted to vB because he's got stuff on there for Xenforo as well. I don't see a big problem with him developing supported plugins for vB. I'd rather pay 50 dollars and have something that works than get something free that wastes hours of my time.
How many features are missing from it?
4-5?
14-15?
More?
5 times $50 = $250
vB Connect + standard "mods"= $400+
The price of vB5 is increasing significantly.
vB5 is unequivocally the best forum software, but not yet...Comment
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I'm not in a position to judge vB5 at the moment and assess its value though, and whether it is or isn't overpriced, because without the CMS and calendar I'd just be wasting my time.Comment
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You think things like vbshop, vbshout, vbsignatures, vbquiz, vbslider, vbnominate, vbmail, vbdownloads, vbavatars, vbarcade, vbcredits, rpg, gallery, vbforms to name a few should be standard in vb5?? Personally if that happened I would instantly move away from what would be a seriously bloated platform.Comment
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You think things like vbshop, vbshout, vbsignatures, vbquiz, vbslider, vbnominate, vbmail, vbdownloads, vbavatars, vbarcade, vbcredits, rpg, gallery, vbforms to name a few should be standard in vb5?? Personally if that happened I would instantly move away from what would be a seriously bloated platform.
The difficulty with vB5 is prioritisation, deciding what should be core. For me the absence at the present time of the calendar and the CMS are big deficiencies because they would result in you losing important content if you are using these features. It doesn't matter if your content is archived; if your customers have a habit of using these features they'd have lost that habit by the time you deployed and you'd still lose content.
The mailing features to me would also be core, but our experience of Vertical Response I would say is below par . If the new integrated VR doesn't tell you who has unsubscribed then I'd prefer to pay for a mod from DBTech that doesn't just create a mailing list, but also makes it easy for you to produce formatted html emails.Comment
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Completely agree, I too need the CMS and Calender. However it was stated the CMS was not to be in the first release so therefore I just wont upgrade as of yet. Same with the calender and if they are holding it back because it needs a decent reworking to me thats a plus. The CMS I am actually very glad its not going to be in the first release. VB4 CMS can be a pain in the backside so would rather wait than them trying to push it out with the first release. There is enough for them to sort out without these other items. End of the day Im in no rush to upgrade. I have the licence so once it is ready I have everything there, however Im in no rush to do so. My site is running perfectly well as it is, and when the time comes that it is ready for my site I will do the update. Personally dont care if thats 3 month or 18 month, I will do it when I feel its ready and Im ready.Comment
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And this is the point we've tried to keep stressing to people. You don't HAVE to upgrade because you have the license, you should upgrade only when the software is ready for your own site.👍 1Comment
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A fair amount of people consider VB4 "ready", but only after 2 years of bug squashing and heck, it's still got a load of bugs in it after 2 years.Comment
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Don't buy a license until you feel it is then. You don't have to upgrade like many people have chosen not to upgrade from 3.x - there's no License Agreement clause that forces you to buy or use the latest version...Comment
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Never? Extremist much? Most major software releases continue to develop well after the Gold release. You post as though the plug has been pulled on all other options. You may not be enamored with the options but you have them. There comes a point where criticism is no longer constructive and you've long since passed that point.👍 1Comment
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it was stated the CMS was not to be in the first release so therefore I just wont upgrade as of yet. Same with the calender and if they are holding it back because it needs a decent reworking to me thats a plus. The CMS I am actually very glad its not going to be in the first release. VB4 CMS can be a pain in the backside so would rather wait than them trying to push it out with the first release.Comment
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