My Opinion

**craigvm** · Mon 8 Oct '12, 1:40am

i agree mate its a shame vbulletin is going downhill i currently run vb4.2 witch i will be staying on for a long time but when i do decide to upgrade sorry to say it wont be a vbulletin product maybe i.p.board and i think alot of customers will be moving away from vbulletin .
but yet vbulletin 5 is still described as "leader in online community software!" with is no longer true with vb5

**rudedog1968** · Mon 8 Oct '12, 4:11am

I agree, but get the feeling more and more that vB themselves are confused on what they are going.

**Loco.M** · Mon 8 Oct '12, 5:35am

no one should ever build a site with dreamweaver

There is only one script, no forum only option anymore

**Fortforum** · Mon 8 Oct '12, 6:47am

My god, where do you get all the power to write these pointless threads? If you want a BMW you buy one, right? You don´t go to the dealer and bash him about not making cars that are up to your standars. Again and again and again. Instead you straif over to the Audi or Maserati dealer to get what you are looking for.

Just move to xf or phpbb if simpiicity´s what you are looking for. Or stick with 3.8. Or go with VB 5 and turn everything you don´t want off.

You have a wide variety of options, and non of them involve complaining or writing stupid pollls here that leads to absolutely nothing at all.

**rudedog1968** · Mon 8 Oct '12, 7:50am

I still agree with Sal....

**Ramsesx** · Mon 8 Oct '12, 8:54am

Originally posted by Fortforum

My god, where do you get all the power to write these pointless threads? If you want a BMW you buy one, right? You don´t go to the dealer and bash him about not making cars that are up to your standars. Again and again and again. Instead you straif over to the Audi or Maserati dealer to get what you are looking for.

Just move to xf or phpbb if simpiicity´s what you are looking for. Or stick with 3.8. Or go with VB 5 and turn everything you don´t want off.

You have a wide variety of options, and non of them involve complaining or writing stupid pollls here that leads to absolutely nothing at all.

You forgot to mention all the people outside, staring through the salesroom window, waiting all day for the complainers to just jump in and tell them to move on...

**Deimos** · Mon 8 Oct '12, 9:42am

The problem I find, is Vbulletin was all about the forum product, and they excelled at it

But then came IB and they tried to reinvent the wheel by bringing out the CMS (or article system), it wasn't a good result

But instead of learning from that major mistake and focusing all effort on a forum product, they've now gone and tried to reinvent something else, heck, I don't even know what VB5 is supposed to be, it's like Myspace/Facebook 0.1 Alpha (as I've said a few times now)

This, is a huge mistake, in my opinion.

All they had to do with VB5, is learn from the lessons of the past, namely, focus on what VB is known for and is good at, a QUALITY forum product.

They could've learnt from the mistakes of VB4 and moved on, but they'd taken two steps forward and 10 back by bringing out that mashup of a social networking thing they call VB5.

**TLMD** · Mon 8 Oct '12, 10:32am

Originally posted by Deimos

The problem I find, is Vbulletin was all about the forum product, and they excelled at it

But then came IB and they tried to reinvent the wheel by bringing out the CMS (or article system), it wasn't a good result

I actually like the idea of having both a very good forum software and a powerful CMS. Very often you want to run a community site which also has somewhat of a news/article system wrapped around it, so bringing a forum software and a CMS together seems reasonable. However, much effort has to be put into the new vB 5 to make it a solid piece of software.

**Sal Collaziano** · Mon 8 Oct '12, 11:51am

I think the "total package" idea is great. Keep moving forward with it. But have a smaller, less complicated product - like vBulletin 3 - for those just looking for a forum.

I think Drupal and Joomla are great examples of CMSs that are too complicated for common people to work with. I think vBulletin's CMS is complicated on a similar level.

WordPress is an example of a CMS that's simple - and far more people can be comfortable working with it. If I were building a perfect combination of CMS and Forum - I'd have built it for the masses...

I didn't start this discussion to cause problems for Jelsoft. I started it because I feel they should consider what I'm saying for the future.

**OhioDave** · Mon 8 Oct '12, 1:27pm

I sadly do not agree.

It's clear that they should only focus on one product at a time and manage one code base at a time. Having two seperate products and probably code bases for them wouldn't be beneficial for anyone.

**Super Cat** · Mon 8 Oct '12, 2:46pm

Originally posted by Sal Collaziano

I didn't start this discussion to cause problems for Jelsoft. I started it because I feel they should consider what I'm saying for the future.

Don't worry about causing problems for Jelsoft, they sold the company several years agos.

**steven s** · Mon 8 Oct '12, 2:56pm

There is nothing wrong with having a CMS built in, it just was not implemented properly.
As I recall many people wanted a CMS.

**slinky** · Mon 8 Oct '12, 5:14pm

Originally posted by Fortforum

My god, where do you get all the power to write these pointless threads? If you want a BMW you buy one, right? You don´t go to the dealer and bash him about not making cars that are up to your standars. Again and again and again. Instead you straif over to the Audi or Maserati dealer to get what you are looking for. Just move to xf or phpbb if simpiicity´s what you are looking for. Or stick with 3.8. Or go with VB 5 and turn everything you don´t want off.

Switching forum software is not as simple as just switching chairs at a table or getting a different car. It's more like having a long time business investment in Windows hardware and software and then pretending as if there aren't any additional costs and investments to go to an Apple environment. Besides, these are all just opinions shared between fellow customers. What gives anyone the right to bash another customer, especially someone who appears to be one of the first vBulletin customers, from just politely stating his opinion?

**KrU$ty** · Mon 8 Oct '12, 5:33pm

Originally posted by Fortforum

My god, where do you get all the power to write these pointless threads? If you want a BMW you buy one, right? You don´t go to the dealer and bash him about not making cars that are up to your standars. Again and again and again. Instead you straif over to the Audi or Maserati dealer to get what you are looking for.

Just move to xf or phpbb if simpiicity´s what you are looking for. Or stick with 3.8. Or go with VB 5 and turn everything you don´t want off.

You have a wide variety of options, and non of them involve complaining or writing stupid pollls here that leads to absolutely nothing at all.

That's right guys. You should never have an opinion that Fortforum does not agree with. I mean, just because the developers asked for opinions on the software and created a forum specifically for that purpose does not mean you should do it, right? Right.

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