vB5 license agreement?
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The pricing and the other intangibles make this the perfect time to migrate away from vBulletin. Now before the usual loyalists start using words like "hater", maybe they can listen and understand why. At $210 per license, it's the equivalent of buying all new software and VB 5 isn't the equivalent of other software. It's not even the equivalent of Xenforo (and won't be for quite a while) which costs much less. I need to get all new templates and all new plugins too. Price is why I didn't bother upgrading my Vb 3 licenses. What was the point of going to VB 4 when it didn't offer a whole lot more? I upgraded a couple at the presale price because of concerns about support and even that turned out to be a huge waste as VB 4 won't likely ever be PHP 5.4 compatible. So for $130-150 I can get myself a whole new forum that has tons of plugins, templates and features with far more benefits and no additional penalties that you get when upgrading to VB 5. I can see the beta customers being angry, those who purchased that the "special price" of $184 as early adopters.Comment
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Xenforo lacks the features that even vBulletin 5 has.
Spam management is awful on XenForo (just look at their forums)
User management is terrible (can you merge 2 users on XF?)
Really, I don't think it's fair to say that vB5 is behind XF when clearly it's not. It might not perform as fast right now due to being in early beta stages, but wait for the final version before passing judgement on performance.Comment
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User management is terrible (can you merge 2 users on XF?)
Really, I don't think it's fair to say that vB5 is behind XF when clearly it's not. It might not perform as fast right now due to being in early beta stages, but wait for the final version before passing judgement on performance.
Now even if you don't want to buy XenForo you go to IPB, which is light years ahead of vBulletin. Thanks to what was done to me here I took an even better look at IPB and decided to also invest there. For $150 (and there are discounts) you can run a super nice forum that even standing still will rival anything they can do here for at least a year and probably more. And that's the bottom line. Why would I pay $210 to give up an existing license for VB 5? I can always throw the VB 4 licenses on some experiment domains and use $150 to buy IPB and have $60 more to spend on something else.
I think pricing here was ridiculous. You already have early adopters complaining and understandably as they realize that their discount was just a cheap ploy of pressure sales like the vBulletin 4 presale was without the guarantee. They will probably go ballistic if they see sub $200 price points going forward as early adopters who foolishly spent months of their life putting bugs in the Jira for no compensation at all. Why would you agree to buy a product and donate all this time for free?
Anyways - even if I didn't factor in the company's foolish actions regarding what it did with my other licenses, the pricing here just makes no sense if you're a current customer. As I said, all sites get upgraded to IPB or XF for less money than this upgrade and my existing VB licenses go on fledgling sites as extras. I'm interested in hearing your thoughts if you can see another way that makes sense.Comment
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Absolutely agreed. And XF is far from being complete in comparison to, let's say, vB 3.8x. Just saying that the possibility to merge users is probably not the benchmark for most forum admins.👍 1Comment
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Regardless of what administrative features XF may or may not have, there is far more usability on the front end that one can present the appearance of a finished product that works well to visitors. You can have thousands of administrative tasks and the ability to merge 2, 3 or 10 users but they are worthless if you don't have users and posts to administrate. It will be a long while until anyone should even consider planning plugins or templates for VB 5 as well.Comment
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It seems the largest complaint being lodged in this thread is that vBulletin customers are being forced to "suffer" with version 4.2 until version 5 Gold is ready, and that is no complaint.
As you stated, there are options, if all one cares about is having forum capabilities. phpbb is free. Personally, if I cared to work with an inferior product I'd take the freeware over the other paid options.
There are always those who leave vBulletin for another product for varying reasons. Many have returned. The reason is because, for all the issues inherent to software development, vBulletin remains hands down the most functional product of its kind. Nothing else comes close. No one is being held under duress to purchase vBulletin 5. It's an option. There is a demo site. There are fora upon fora detailing what the product is and what the product is not. There are YouTube videos. There is voluminous customer feedback. This is anything but a case of misrepresentation. Caveat emptor.Comment
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