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Many car companies do this. Cars are a bad analogy to software. Cars are a physical thing you actually own. Software is licensed.
Bug discovery, as well as security exploit discovery is always an ongoing thing. Software will never be 100% perfect or without flaws or limitations. If you don't want to report the bug, the only person you're hurting is yourself and others like you who are running into it.
We can test and test and test forever until we rot, and we still might not ever find all of the bugs. My way of using the forum and doing things is going to be different than your way of using the software and doing things. There is no reasonable way for us to disvoer all of the ways the software doesn't work as we intended when we cannot think of the way you'd use it.
We have staff, and a beta team testing the software, we also encourage anyone who has a license and is interested in using the vBulletin software to report the bugs they find in the software though normal use. I don't think we're asking much to report issues that are causing you problems. Maybe I'm wrong.Comment
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Wow, how slow is that.
Sorry guys been a vbulletin user for years and years now, but that is awful.
I am not one of those negative users, Is till believe vbulletin is the best platform out there... but Guys seriously that is painfully slow.
The only issue I have with vbulletin is large forums tend to get a little overlooked (i understand new customers is important) but you tend to push it to the new members, I think this would kill my users experience, as vb4 is allot slower than vb3, but I managed to get by, but this is crazy slow!
Will upgrade when it's more stable and much much quicker!
Mick👍 1Comment
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That is not my problem either. You are making a commercial product, so no one has to report the bags. It's you job to test software are fixed them. I will stay and judge from the far. Then I'll make my decision is your product worth paying money?
I kinda give up paying money for a product just to work as an unpaid beta-tester for while. You want my help -you gonna pay me for that.
Nothing personal-business as usual.Fortunately for IB you mean? And now check
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So basically all he wanted to say , make my job easer and please note there was no "please" and it's considered as an order in England.
Good luck to everyone who haven't had enough of being unpaid tester for IB in vB4 project. Let them take advantages of you while you paying money.
Oh well, good luck finding forum software where they dont ask you to log any bugs you find.Baby, I was born this way👍 1Comment
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Wow, how slow is that.
Sorry guys been a vbulletin user for years and years now, but that is awful.
I am not one of those negative users, Is till believe vbulletin is the best platform out there... but Guys seriously that is painfully slow.
The only issue I have with vbulletin is large forums tend to get a little overlooked (i understand new customers is important) but you tend to push it to the new members, I think this would kill my users experience, as vb4 is allot slower than vb3, but I managed to get by, but this is crazy slow!
Will upgrade when it's more stable and much much quicker!
MickComment
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No, it's not about making a job easier - there have been numerous bugs raised that are specific to individual's setups. I raised bugs that hadn't been come across during testing as they were unique to the way I had my forums/server setup, if I hadn't bothered to report them and have them fixed then other would have had these when the software was made available for download.
Users reporting bugs in vBulletin is not a new thing either, this has been the case since the product was first brought to market. The vB3 beta period was exceptionally long as users reported bugs - they didn't get paid for them either, they did it to help make the software better. You're under no obligation to report anythign but if you don't report them, then you may find yourself waiting even longer for them to get fixed.
Fast forward a bit to vB4, and there are *still* major outstanding bugs that were reported within 72 hours of vB4's first public beta (3 years ago). Major issues meaning it causes data corruption and permanently banned users that have zero active infractions. http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBIV-941
A couple months later and we have one that has been pending/confirmed since 4.0.2 (2 1/2 years now)... another major issue that causes fatal SQL errors and user data corruption.
The point being that telling users they need to put stuff in the bug tracker to get it fixed it's exactly true... even major issues that cause data corruption and fatal errors weren't deemed important enough to fix, so...Sphinx Search for vBulletin 4: https://marketplace.digitalpoint.com...tin-4.870/item
Someone send me a message on Twitter when this site is usable again. https://twitter.com/digitalpoint👍 1Comment
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Major issues meaning it causes data corruption and permanently banned users that have zero active infractions. http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBIV-941👍 1Comment
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Wayne Luke
The Rabid Badger - a vBulletin Cloud demonstration site.
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i did with 4.0. Ouch!
Car companies are always having recalls. I had a 97 Grand Prix with a recall 2009.Comment
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Yes, customers should report bugs. But no, they shouldn't be told to take the software in its current state and use it in any way, just to see if it works. It is just way too "not-beta", to put it as lightly as I can. I've asked a couple of time now if there could be a list of features where IB says "this is it" and get customers concentrated on those features. But I guess everything is work in progress and that is not testable at all. I will also not write one Jira, until I know what is considered a fairly finished feature, because then I know I am not wasting my time on writing up Jiras for functions that are already slated to be improved or continued to be worked on anyway.
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Wayne Luke
The Rabid Badger - a vBulletin Cloud demonstration site.
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So IB can fix bugs? Doesn't make sense. Then less people will report then quicker you will have to work. At the moment all you chances are put on that customers would find bugs and report for you.
I don't do same mistake twice, to old for that staff. As soon as vB4 sale start to get better development and fixes start to go down.
No way I'm going that road again
Get yourself proper testers, or pay them properly or do both. I don't know what you problem is. But I do know there are various tecnics of testing software and 5 of them are considered paramount.
For the rest of the lecture you can send your testers to my class I won't charge you too much.
Or you just could follow my link and read the threads on the demo thre are at list 4 bugs mentioned in my posts. All the time you spend telling me what to do you could find out and fill the report.
And here is 5th one go and register a nickname with zeros on the front lets say 003, see what would happenLast edited by zascok; Fri 21 Sep '12, 2:18pm.Comment
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In reality you have too options:
1) Report the issue and help mold the product into something you're looking for.
2) Ignore it and it won't get fix.
No one is forcing you to do either.Translations provided by Google.
Wayne Luke
The Rabid Badger - a vBulletin Cloud demonstration site.
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Thank you for my chances I'll stick with the second option. And I wasn't complaining as you could note.
The question was have I reporter it , so I gave my answer and my reasons.
In reality you have too options:
1. Rely on others who will do your job
2. Just do you jobComment
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My job actually has little to do with reporting bugs. Thanks for playing though. However if you really want to play along, I have reported 164 individual issues, participated in 282 and help prioritize many of them.Translations provided by Google.
Wayne Luke
The Rabid Badger - a vBulletin Cloud demonstration site.
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And would I be correct in saying thats not actually your job either Wayne?Comment
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