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  • Miykichii
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2007
    • 212
    • 3.6.x

    #16
    I will see what i can come up with later Mark but i am not happy with the current vb 5.x header. If i need, i might just have to widen that gray bar, because it is very tiny that i can't place proper icons in there but the left side will be left empty and ugly with nothing on it.
    If you like these ideas, vote for them! (:

    http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12406 (Blogs & Articles redesign)
    http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12379 (Group redesign)
    http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12337 (Members Feeds)
    http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12676 (Media tab & Album)
    http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12698 (Notification system)
    http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12663 (Members list redesign)

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    • Miykichii
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2007
      • 212
      • 3.6.x

      #17
      Jira has been updated. I am not completely fond of this style though.



      If you like these ideas, vote for them! (:

      http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12406 (Blogs & Articles redesign)
      http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12379 (Group redesign)
      http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12337 (Members Feeds)
      http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12676 (Media tab & Album)
      http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12698 (Notification system)
      http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12663 (Members list redesign)

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      • IcEWoLF
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2008
        • 928
        • 4.1.x

        #18
        I'd be happy if they adopted such notification system...It would improve vB that much! Of course the software needs major improving itself such as speed...I am not sure whats causing vB to still load slow like a turtle at this stage after so many patches/updates being released.

        Someone should really push performance on vB5...
        The 47 Ronin Gaming - www.47r-squad.com

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        • Miykichii
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2007
          • 212
          • 3.6.x

          #19
          Originally posted by IcEWoLF
          I'd be happy if they adopted such notification system...It would improve vB that much! Of course the software needs major improving itself such as speed...I am not sure whats causing vB to still load slow like a turtle at this stage after so many patches/updates being released.

          Someone should really push performance on vB5...
          Well, the next part is on Mark! : ) we shall see. I've added an updated screenshot.

          Originally posted by Mark.B

          If you're not willing to amend the JIRA entry, then there really isn't anything I can do to try and move this forwards.
          If you like these ideas, vote for them! (:

          http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12406 (Blogs & Articles redesign)
          http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12379 (Group redesign)
          http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12337 (Members Feeds)
          http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12676 (Media tab & Album)
          http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12698 (Notification system)
          http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12663 (Members list redesign)

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          • Miykichii
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2007
            • 212
            • 3.6.x

            #20
            Originally posted by Mark.B

            They won't do that. The screenshots need to match the current product, not your own visualisation of it.
            It doesn't matter whether you, or I, or anyone else, think that's right or wrong, that's how it is.

            We have two options:

            1. Work within the system we have, in which case we can do our best to get things like this pushed though.
            2. Refuse to work within the system we have, in which case the likely outcome will be - the notification system stays as it is.

            If you're not willing to amend the JIRA entry, then there really isn't anything I can do to try and move this forwards.
            Mark, is the updated attachments now good for you to try and move this forward with all its functions ?
            If you like these ideas, vote for them! (:

            http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12406 (Blogs & Articles redesign)
            http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12379 (Group redesign)
            http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12337 (Members Feeds)
            http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12676 (Media tab & Album)
            http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12698 (Notification system)
            http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12663 (Members list redesign)

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            • IcEWoLF
              Senior Member
              • Jul 2008
              • 928
              • 4.1.x

              #21
              *crickets*
              The 47 Ronin Gaming - www.47r-squad.com

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              • Mark.B
                vBulletin Support
                • Feb 2004
                • 24286
                • 6.0.X

                #22
                The screenshots are better, certainly.

                Personally, I would have done them from the forum home because what you're showing there is still a non-standard vBulletin page. By doing this, you are adding confusion and reducing the chances of the JIRA being looked at. The devs need to see your proposed change in a *completely default page*, not a page that just happens to contain your other ideas.

                I can see what you're trying to do...you're thinking that by including your other changes in the screenshots, the devs will say "oh, that looks good, let's implement that as well". This is flawed thinking, the development process simply doesn't work that way.

                Unless you include a screenshot of a completely default page, this is going to struggle to get anywhere.

                Additionally - for the avoidance of doubt, I cannot personally get this implemented, and bumping this thread will make no difference to that. The place to push for implementation, is within the JIRA itself. The developers will not read threads such as this.
                MARK.B
                vBulletin Support
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                • Miykichii
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 212
                  • 3.6.x

                  #23
                  Mark - we went this long rout just to hear this "The place to push for implementation, is within the JIRA itself. The developers will not read threads such as this." this is funny.

                  Vbulletin is like Xbox 1 vs PS4, when Xbox 1 came and said "gamers who bought used games, will have to pay a fee to Microsoft to play used games" everyone was angry and that angry showed through canceling the per-orders and when PS4 said "we would never do such thing" we saw many pre-orders and now Microsoft found itself in a terrible situation.

                  Same thing for Vbulletin, it won't be able to gain many customers to buy or upgrade to VB 5.x unless they change their game and do what customers wants to see, if they don't get it, time and sales proves it better for them.
                  Last edited by Miykichii; Wed 16 Jul '14, 3:53am.
                  If you like these ideas, vote for them! (:

                  http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12406 (Blogs & Articles redesign)
                  http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12379 (Group redesign)
                  http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12337 (Members Feeds)
                  http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12676 (Media tab & Album)
                  http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12698 (Notification system)
                  http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12663 (Members list redesign)

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                  • IcEWoLF
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 928
                    • 4.1.x

                    #24
                    It's painful to even visit these boards on a mobile up, without a proper notification system vbulletin has no future. This place has become deserted if you look closely.
                    The 47 Ronin Gaming - www.47r-squad.com

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                    • Miykichii
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 212
                      • 3.6.x

                      #25
                      Then we go back to square 1 again, terrible management leads to this. At the very least, Vbulletin support team should relay to the developers, customers' concern, then the devs if they find this too much work for them, either priorities the requested features or ask from the higher ups to look at hiring more developers for assistance. This is how proper successful business works.

                      That is why i see VB 5.x will take 2 - 3 years to reach a more stable, proper level at this pace of development.
                      If you like these ideas, vote for them! (:

                      http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12406 (Blogs & Articles redesign)
                      http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12379 (Group redesign)
                      http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12337 (Members Feeds)
                      http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12676 (Media tab & Album)
                      http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12698 (Notification system)
                      http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12663 (Members list redesign)

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                      • IcEWoLF
                        Senior Member
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 928
                        • 4.1.x

                        #26
                        To me this thread is the perfect example of vBulletin driving people away...whats the point of feedback if you are being stubborn? Devs can simply look past all the designs and get the idea of we really need to make a better notification system because the current system is so 1999.
                        I don't even know why we bother trying to help anymore either.
                        The 47 Ronin Gaming - www.47r-squad.com

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                        • Miykichii
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 212
                          • 3.6.x

                          #27
                          Terrible management, they look at us and say "they have no idea what they are talking about" we look at them and say "you aren't listening and assessing the situation more carefully" - just leave it to time, i am enjoying vb 4.x until the slow turtle moves from vb 5.x to vb 6.x may be. But i hope as a company in the business field, they don't regret these moves.
                          Last edited by Miykichii; Wed 16 Jul '14, 7:18pm.
                          If you like these ideas, vote for them! (:

                          http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12406 (Blogs & Articles redesign)
                          http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12379 (Group redesign)
                          http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12337 (Members Feeds)
                          http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12676 (Media tab & Album)
                          http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12698 (Notification system)
                          http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-12663 (Members list redesign)

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                          • Mark.B
                            vBulletin Support
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 24286
                            • 6.0.X

                            #28
                            Originally posted by IcEWoLF
                            To me this thread is the perfect example of vBulletin driving people away...whats the point of feedback if you are being stubborn? Devs can simply look past all the designs and get the idea of we really need to make a better notification system because the current system is so 1999.
                            I don't even know why we bother trying to help anymore either.
                            They aren't going to "look past the designs" - the development team follow clear, defined processes. If you, me, or anyone else want to influence change, then the best way to do that is to follow those processes and use the current, default product as a starting point.

                            If people wish to instead include screenshots from what amounts to a completely different and fictitious product, then this is going to greatly hamper the chances of the actual request being implemented. That's a simple fact, and nothing any of the support team can do will change that.

                            All I'm trying to do is provide accurate advice on the best way to get the requested changes into the product based on the current developmental practices. I can't change those developmental practices, so if my helpful and informed advice is ignored, you know what I'm going to say if anyone complains that the requested changes were never implemented.

                            In short: don't shoot the messenger. There are processes that we need to work within.
                            MARK.B
                            vBulletin Support
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                            My Unofficial vBulletin 6.0.0 Demo: https://www.talknewsuk.com
                            My Unofficial vBulletin Cloud Demo: https://www.adminammo.com

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                            • Mark.B
                              vBulletin Support
                              • Feb 2004
                              • 24286
                              • 6.0.X

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Miykichii
                              Terrible management, they look at us and say "they have no idea what they are talking about"
                              Could you please point to where any of us has said that?
                              MARK.B
                              vBulletin Support
                              ------------
                              My Unofficial vBulletin 6.0.0 Demo: https://www.talknewsuk.com
                              My Unofficial vBulletin Cloud Demo: https://www.adminammo.com

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                              • rmwebs
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2005
                                • 224
                                • 3.7.x

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Mark.B
                                Could you please point to where any of us has said that?
                                Re-read the entire thread with a fresh pair of eyes Mark. The attitude from yourself and other staff members comes across as very much "screw you, we know what we're talking about". The problem is either most of you have an amazing amount of patience with the developers, or you're extremely bias and cant see how flawed vB is right now, both as software and as a company.

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