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  • Force235
    started a topic Secret Forum Disappeared Completely

    Secret Forum Disappeared Completely

    Looking for ideas on what the heck might have happened.

    I've run VB forums for 14 years now. I have 6 VB licenses and run 2 very active forums and 1 mildly active and 3 that need jump started. 20k members on one forums 10k on the other of my two most active. I've seen all kinds of stuff with VB but what I saw today has never happened before. My 'special' secret forum has completely disappeared. By special I mean my private hidden forum where I keep notes on changes, password hints to sites I go to, and lots of personal data that I thought handy to keep there. To keep the forum away from mod and helping admin eyes I made is so mods and admins cannot see it. I created a special group and I'm the only member of that group. This has worked perfectly for years.

    Now today I went to add something to that forum and it said I do not have permissions to access .... . I freaked. Looked at control logs / mod logs and saw nothing out of the ordinary. No matter what I did I could not see any trace of this forum. So I retrieved a backup of the DB and installed it elsewhere. I log in and view all forums and WaLa the forum does show up, but it shows that it has never been posted in. OMG This is a nightmare. Then I click on the forum and all the post are there. Years of data. Whew. Catastrophe averted but what happened on my main forum to cause this and could a hacker have stolen the info from that forum? I don't think a hacker has the files or they never would have deleted the forum ...which tells me something is up. I suppose that might be wishful thinking.

    So I view the forum on the backup and find the forum ID. Since the message on my live forum says I didn't have permissions I wanted to see if the forum number is known to the DB. Nope.

    I'm at a loss. Any ideas / or things to try to figure out what the heck might have happened.
    https://www.vbulletin.com/forum/core...EAAAICRAEAOw==
    Last edited by Force235; Mon 21st Jan '19, 5:52pm.

  • Force235
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    Thanks Wayne. I was wanting to mass move from one forum to another ..from my backup forum to my live forum.

    What are your thoughts on what might have caused this issue? Any ideas appreciated as I do not want it happening again. Thanks guys!!!!

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  • Wayne Luke
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    You should be able mass move threads in the AdminCP under the Threads & Posts section.

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  • Force235
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    Today I used the restored backup showing the private problem forum to copy the thread to another forum. This worked. Once done I updated thread and forum counters, the problem forum disappeared once again but the threads still exist in their new location.

    Does VB provide a way to move threads or forums from one forum to another?
    Last edited by Force235; Fri 25th Jan '19, 9:29am.

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  • Force235
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    My thoughts ... From all this I believe the problem existed in my DB before the issue of the missing forum showed up, and that is why there is no log entry. The issue was lying in wait. When I created a sub forum that caused the forum to disappear. I kept that forum open in my browser so I could have missed that it was labeled as never posted in for some time before it disappeared.

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  • Force235
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    Thanks Mark. That seemed like a really good idea. I should have thought of that.
    So I tried it on my restored bkup DB. The forum that showed Never posted in has completely disappeared just like it did on my live forum.
    What does this tell us? Thanks again.

    A little more info.
    I restored the backup as before. As before the problem forum showed up saying never posted in. But there were 6 pages of posts like before.

    So I thought create a new forum and copy threads from one to the new forum. Created the new forum and the problem forum completely disappeared again, just like it did after updating the thread and forum counters.

    Does this help to figure out what the problem is?
    Last edited by Force235; Thu 24th Jan '19, 7:25pm.

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  • Mark.B
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    You should try rebuilding the thread and forum counters in AdminCP > Maintenance > Update Counters.

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  • Force235
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    But I do have access. I see the Never posted in message. Click the forum and see 6 pages of posts. The forum was never that way prior to the issue of it disappearing on my main forum. Others would not even see that this forum existed. It was only visible to me. Now on the restored backup I can see the posts but it says the forum was never posted in.
    Looking for clues as what might cause something like this? I've been through a lot with VB but never seen anything like this before. Thx!!!!

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  • Wayne Luke
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    If the forum is private and you do not have access through the permissions it will show "Never". This is how the system was designed in the vBulletin 3.X days.

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  • Force235
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    Help please. What would cause a forum to show as "Never posted in" but when you click and go into it there are over 6 pages of posts going back 12 years? Ideas please.

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  • Force235
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    Any ideas on how a forum that was there for the backup taken two days ago but now is gone? No sign of any command as would be normal. To test I deleted a sub forum that was not being used and indeed that showed up in the control panel log. Nothing in the control panel log for this missing one.

    Also why or how could the restored DB have the missing forum but show that it has never been posted in. Something weird going on here. I'm concerned that I might have been hacked but how could they do it and leave no tracks of anything they did?
    Last edited by Force235; Mon 21st Jan '19, 5:16pm.

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  • Force235
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    Originally posted by Mark.B View Post
    Please don't run repairs on the live database unless support ask you to.

    You can permanently damage your database, and it won't ever 'fix' this type of issue.
    I didn't run it on a live DB.

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  • Mark.B
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    Originally posted by Force235 View Post
    I agree with all that. I had not considered running a query against the DB. I did mysqlcheck -repair on the forum DB and this did not change anything. The forum still has not shown up. How would a query like that be formed? forum ID is 83. Thanks Wayne.
    Please don't run repairs on the live database unless support ask you to.

    You can permanently damage your database, and it won't ever 'fix' this type of issue.

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  • Force235
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    I agree with all that. I had not considered running a query against the DB. I did mysqlcheck -repair on the forum DB and this did not change anything. The forum still has not shown up. How would a query like that be formed? forum ID is 83. Thanks Wayne.

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  • Wayne Luke
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    Well the backup isn't the same as your live site correct? They can have different data 'states.'

    If it isn't listed in your forum manager, then it was most likely deleted somehow. Unfortunately the software doesn't have a method to restore a single forum.

    What does a query against your LIVE database say about this forum if you run a query against its ID?

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