What are they saying about vb3 (Gamma+) in other communities besides vb.com/vb.org

[Wayne Luke]

Okay, after running my disabled (firewall gotta love em) javascripts test, I can conclude this:

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Now if there was an alternative way of getting to certain places would be helpful.

As posted above by Scott, it is because your browser identifies itself as one which can handle the javascripts to PHP and yet it is off... 99% of all people who use a modern browser are not going to turn off javascript. If you use an older browser or Text based browser that identifies itself properly, then the code will work as designed.

Scott also mentioned he is looking for a fix for this as PHP can't tell whether you have javascript turned on in your browser or not.

[Loony BoB]

Hmm. Given what ManagerJosh has pointed out, how much work would a CP option be for "Javascript Enabled/Disabled"? Also, how would it affect the rest of vB's functions? Of course, that would still leave the problem for unregistered people not being able to change the option, I suppose.

On a sidenote: I just noticed something while replying to this. There's a huge gap between the 'Topic Review (Newest First)' bar and the posts from the thread itself when replying to a topic. Has this been highlighted yet? If not, well, there it is.

As an ex-admin of an IPB, I find it amusing that IPB users believe they have more features than vB. I must have missed something.

[Scott MacVicar]

Wayne has given me an idea which might help solve this.

smallint to session table called usejs, when creating a new session
ie. first time you go to a site after being logged out or away for more than the cookie timeout it will run a small check for JS and enable it for that session.

It will only break if someone turns off JS while browsing.

[Loony BoB]

That sounds reasonable enough.

[noppid]

We're hearing vbulletin.com is on it's knees for performance, the code must be bloated. Too bad

[Darkshines]

what features does invision have that vb doesnt?

Were you being sarcastic? Unfortunately a lot of vB people take that sort of attitude, and then they say IPB users are "biased"

In any case, IPB does have a feature or two that vB3 doesn't (if you know where to look), but I'm sure you'd do a lot better to ask about them on their forums

[CeleronXT]

Were you being sarcastic? Unfortunately a lot of vB people take that sort of attitude, and then they say IPB users are "biased"

In any case, IPB does have a feature or two that vB3 doesn't (if you know where to look), but I'm sure you'd do a lot better to ask about them on their forums

Eh? I run one IPB myself on my UtopiaSoft site, and I haven't noticed it having anything that vB doesn't.

[Scott MacVicar]

We're hearing vbulletin.com is on it's knees for performance, the code must be bloated. Too bad

1.03 1.18 0.96

isn't really a server under heavy load. I'm currently looking through what I can to see if I can find the source of these problems.

[Darkshines]

Eh? I run one IPB myself on my UtopiaSoft site, and I haven't noticed it having anything that vB doesn't.

You're only using v1.1.2. But as I said, this isn't the place for discussing it. I only brought it up because so many people here are continually posting messages to the contrary.

[CeleronXT]

You're only using v1.1.2. But as I said, this isn't the place for discussing it. I only brought it up because so many people here are continually posting messages to the contrary.

Oh yeah, I meant to upgrade..

Anyways, you will find many messages contradicting the truth at both boards.

[MasterMac]

what features does invision have that vb doesnt?

Don't know if anyone has linked to it already, but Matt (the IPB developer) posted something about that here (it's the second to last paragraph in the post)

[Freddie Bingham]

Don't know if anyone has linked to it already, but Matt (the IPB developer) posted something about that here (it's the second to last paragraph in the post)

It is not the proper place of others to speak of our business decisions when they are not privy to our internal operations. Anything proffered is nothing more than a guess and a bit self-serving to say that we develop our software based on what they may or may not do with their own product(s).

The road of “who had what first” is hard road to transverse and I would suggest that people in our positions (developers) should keep our accusations to ourselves lest we be called on them.

Any more pointless discussion in this regard will be closed as it serves to do nothing more than create friction.

[tgillespie]

Matt's comments were rather ignorant and bias. Like Freddie said "keep our accusations to ourselves lest we be called on them."

The IPB vs. vB battle is useless.

[Zachery]

oh we all know that the DB crashes were related to mysql and not the forum software >.>

[Tolitz]

Well, Matt is the creator of IPB... it's only obvious he's gonna be biased towards his own product and make sure he pipes all its merits to attempt to downplay the competition ... nothing weird or extraordinary about that

One can also assume that IPB Alpha is waiting around for the final release of vB3 so that they can make modifications to their own product to attempt to "surpass" vB3 and claim that it's a better product from the start (and once again claim that vB3 is working around IPB's own release schedule instead of the other way around) ... but it's all part of competition, so no worries...

Matt can claim that they came out of nowhere as competition for vB, but the fact is he had majority of iKonboard users swept into his new forum project, so it already had a built-in audience from the get-go - something vBulletin didn't have when it was competing against UBB... that is, until the next time he encounters another internal problem within his company and creates another forum script that will allegedly "come out of nowhere," but that's all a matter of assumption. But it's fun, aint' it? Well, at least, fun for those who weren't left behind in the iKonboard project. Although I'm fairly confident that IPB won't suffer the same fate

It again all boils down to a matter of preference ... IPB still doesn't possess the amount of customizability in vBulletin, and that's my opinion having used both. Any opinions expressed in the IPB forums will naturally be biased against vBulletin, the same way it is here against IPB. It's the nature of competition, and the only merit that can be gleaned out of that is you use what you think is good. They think IPB is the best thing since sliced bread. We think the same for vBulletin. It's a big fun party