Well done vBulletin staff!

[Mike Anime]

The new licensing system did it.
People would be still happily using 3.8,downloading the improved 3.9 with the old renewal system, while playing with 4 Alpha.

i don't like the new way as much as i thought i did seeing they are pushing out product before it is ready.

[ManagerJosh]

i don't like the new way as much as i thought i did seeing they are pushing out product before it is ready.

Not to mention it's at a very similar pace to before.

[InfoNirvana]

Originally Posted by JonnyThunder
Like I said before though, people are quick to post when something is wrong - but very unlikely to post if something is right.

You're kidding right? Do you know how many vocal supporters vbulletin used to have? Were you around on this site or other admin sites where we (yes I was one of them) would reap endless praise on vbulletin whenever a discussion about which forum software to use came up? I think it was Feldon who said that vbulletin had fans on par with Apple and Google. While the volume of fans might not be the comparable, the frevor of the fan base is.

VERY good point. Your best chance of another sale is a current customer talking to a potential customer.
That may be gone ?

[BBR-APBT]

The new licensing system did it.
People would be still happily using 3.8,downloading the improved 3.9 with the old renewal system, while playing with 4 Alpha.
One step back from the management and presently bitter people would become supporter again.

No one forced you to upgrade. You could of stayed running 3.8 your the one who rushed out to upgrade if you did. No one forced you.

[s0lidgr0und]

No one forced you to upgrade. You could of stayed running 3.8 your the one who rushed out to upgrade if you did. No one forced you.

Very true. That's why I held off upgrading until I saw Gold. In the past, once I saw Gold, I knew the product was fully functional and I could finally start making it what I wanted it to be. Sadly, I've spent a decent amount of time repairing things and haven't really had the desire to customize anything.

[ManagerJosh]

No one forced you to upgrade. You could of stayed running 3.8 your the one who rushed out to upgrade if you did. No one forced you.

That's not entirely true. Sooner or later, some may have to consider upgrading to 4.0 series only because it became a necessary evil. Especially if vBulletin 3.8 becomes end of lifed and a huge security concern comes out of no where, now what? INET has no intentions of releasing a security patch because it's EOLed. Your only "alternative" is to upgrade to vBulletin 4 or wait for a third-party patch.

[BBR-APBT]

That's not entirely true. Sooner or later, some may have to consider upgrading to 4.0 series only because it became a necessary evil. Especially if vBulletin 3.8 becomes end of lifed and a huge security concern comes out of no where, now what? INET has no intentions of releasing a security patch because it's EOLed. Your only "alternative" is to upgrade to vBulletin 4 or wait for a third-party patch.

You said the key words Sooner or later You can wait till later when most of the bugs are fixed. 3.8 will not be EOL'ed for some time.
No one forced any one to try 4.0 on a live site. So to have errors on a live site is no ones fault either. I tested it on a dev site and fixed all my bugs. Then I put it live.
I am not pointing at you exactly just people in general. People do not have to use vB4 at this time. It will be some time before you are forced to.
At this point if there is a exploit released for 3.8 they will release a patch. If in the future when 3.8 is EOL'ed with so many people still using it and a exploit is released. I am sure people will post a fix on vBulletin.org or somewhere.
I am sure you will find a fix in google just as well as the exploit.

[Reeve of Shinra]

That doesn't resolve the issue of those of us who PAID ALREADY for vb4.

[BBR-APBT]

That doesn't resolve the issue of those of us who PAID ALREADY for vb4.

You can still use 3.8 No this does not fix the problem. But its a option.
If you wanted to use 2.0 for your site you would still have to buy 3.0 if that is what was out at the time.

[tgillespie]

It looks as if IB has successfully demolished the vBulletin name. What a shame.

[bforum]

i.m. happy with vb after all

thats all

bye all !!

[beishe8]

i.m. happy with vb after all

thats all

bye all !!

Don't Worry, Be Happy

[s0lidgr0und]

I won't applaud anything just yet. This version has caused me to do more work to attain basic functionality. Now that I have my board 90% of where I want it, the patch is sort of being forced onto me because there was a patch released for 4.0.1 and 4.0.2, but the way to patch 4.0.1 is to upgrade to 4.0.2 PL1. That's not a patch. That's a forced upgrade to a version I'm not 100% happy with .

[cobro]

Actually yes I do.

I've been a developer in PHP for quite a number of years and now write software for iPod / iPhone. I know only too well how difficult it is to test a large application without it being in a real life environment. I agree that V4.0 was released when it wasn't ready but the current version is easily stable regardless of the various bugs that still remain. I'd imagine that the early release of VB4 will be something the staff will learn from for future versions because nobody likes bad press.

I'm also well aware that it's SO much easier for the general public to consistently comment on how bad something is, but rarely comment on the good. Don't forget that for the hundred bugs which still remain, there are thousands and thousands of things which DO work. But despite this, people still choose to whine and moan about how unfair it is. Wah wah wah. I want my money back. Wah wah wah. Suck it up big boy... this is just how software development goes.

So like I said before - WELL DONE VBULLETIN STAFF.

Could not agree more