Former vBulletin lead developer Kier Darby to develop new forum software?
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You know, this is maybe the way they think, too (although I'd like to know based on what you define "better"). Fine with me. If I ran this business, however, hypothetically speaking, I'd be very worried if I saw "old dogs", i.e. long-time customers, making (or announcing) the switch to an alternative forum platform after expressing their unhappiness with vB.Comment
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You know, this is maybe the way they think, too (although I'd like to know based on what you define "better"). Fine with me. If I ran this business, however, hypothetically speaking, I'd be very worried if I saw "old dogs", i.e. long-time customers, making (or announcing) the switch to an alternative forum platform after expressing their unhappiness with vB.
And those long time unsatisfied customers are not that plenty, only a handful of them from what I have seen so far here. And it is a fact that you can not satisfy everyoneComment
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and those long time unsatisfied customers are not that plenty
What? The licensed feedback forum is filled (95% at least) with complaints and issues about the product.Plan, Do, Check, Act!Comment
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Let me tell you this, IB would not be what is it if it did not have good business sense, wouldn''t you say? Personally I have great faith in IB and vb.
And those long time unsatisfied customers are not that plenty, only a handful of them from what I have seen so far here. And it is a fact that you can not satisfy everyone
The count of unsatisfied customers is in fact plenty. You don't see most of us posting anymore because it's a lost cause. IB has demonstrated that they don't care. They are going to do whatever they want to do, regardless of how the customers feel, how the customers react, or what the customers say. So why waste my time and energy expressing concerns for the product?
I feel bad for those of you who are so naive of IB.Regards,
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I said from what I have seen it doesn''t look plenty to me. Just a bunch of people that express their dis-satisfaction and hate for vb all the time and in almost all the threads. I wouldn''t call those users the majority of the customers. They might be old timers but they definitely don''t represnt the majority of the customers.Comment
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Let me tell you this, IB would not be what is it if it did not have good business sense, wouldn''t you say? Personally I have great faith in IB and vb.
And those long time unsatisfied customers are not that plenty, only a handful of them from what I have seen so far here. And it is a fact that you can not satisfy everyone
I said from what I have seen it doesn''t look plenty to me. Just a bunch of people that express their dis-satisfaction and hate for vb all the time and in almost all the threads. I wouldn''t call those users the majority of the customers. They might be old timers but they definitely don''t represnt the majority of the customers.ManagerJosh, Owner of 4 XenForo Licenses, 1 vBulletin Legacy License, 1 Internet Brands Suite License
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Much of us who are "unsatisfied" have pretty much stopped posting, and a significant number have left, and even moved onto other alternative solutions
I think you underestimate those customers. Those people that express their dissatisfaction with the product are ones who hold a significant amount of influence community wise.Comment
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Quite a few people have been constructive. However, it seems like all the comments, suggestions and recommendations have made have fallen through the cracks in the Internet Brands Corporate Bureaucracy. vBulletin 4 is fast becoming the textbook example in Business 101 of "what not to do".ManagerJosh, Owner of 4 XenForo Licenses, 1 vBulletin Legacy License, 1 Internet Brands Suite License
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Let me tell you this, IB would not be what is it if it did not have good business sense, wouldn''t you say? Personally I have great faith in IB and vb.
And those long time unsatisfied customers are not that plenty, only a handful of them from what I have seen so far here. And it is a fact that you can not satisfy everyone
Would anyone in their right mind buy into the next pre-sale knowing what they know now?
No public beta, despite begging. A pre-sale, site [sic] unseen. After all this time, finally a version (4.05) that doesn't break my forum.
Edit: Didn't realize you've only been here since Feb 2010....steven
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im not sold on xenforo yet.
i still have vivid memories of the kier days of vb3, the lack of communication, resistance to feedback, the stagnation... many of the things people complain about, such as the compartmentalisation of vb, overblown permissions, convoluted admincp, etc, predate IB. i think IBs ham-fisted management has made the old devs into christ figures, but my memory isnt nearly so kind.
reading over xenforo, it seems kier and co are again taking the stance they they know better what my communities want, in effect managing by proxy. it appears many things are done in a way simply to make them different; changes for the sake of change. i am having a hard time with that. imo if an upstart wants to knock vb off its perch it needs to create the board vb users have been begging for for years. the guys at xenforo should know what that board is, if they had ever paid attention. instead they are trying to reinvent the wheel.
i will def keep one foot in the water over there, but i reckon my future is at ipb.I buy 420 forums
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I have to admit that I am getting more impressed with how XenForo is shaping up, and the speed at which things are getting done there is mind blowing. I just cannot believe how fast changes are being made.
About the only thing I don't like (which is just a matter of taste) so far, is the colour scheme used for the style. I prefer a darker theme. But other than that I'm impressed with things so far. Plus, they might offer a few different colour variation yet in the theme picker to suit all later, who knows. They've already added a fixed width option which like.Last edited by MRGTB; Mon 2 Aug '10, 2:46pm.Comment
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