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  • Tailfeathers
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2004
    • 805
    • 3.6.x

    Global warming: be worried, be very worried

    From CNN.com:

    Editor's note: The following is a summary of this week's Time magazine cover story.

    (Time.com) -- No one can say exactly what it looks like when a planet takes ill, but it probably looks a lot like Earth.

    Never mind what you've heard about global warming as a slow-motion emergency that would take decades to play out. Suddenly and unexpectedly, the crisis is upon us.

    From heat waves to storms to floods to fires to massive glacial melts, the global climate seems to be crashing around us.

    The problem -- as scientists suspected but few others appreciated -- is that global climate systems are booby-trapped with tipping points and feedback loops, thresholds past which the slow creep of environmental decay gives way to sudden and self-perpetuating collapse. That's just what's happening now.

    It's at the north and south poles -- where ice cover is crumbling to slush -- that the crisis is being felt the most acutely.

    Late last year, for example, researchers analyzed data from Canadian and European satellites and found that the Greenland ice sheet is not only melting, but doing so faster and faster, with 53 cubic miles draining away into the sea last year alone, compared to 23 cubic miles in 1996.

    One of the reasons the loss of the planet's ice cover is accelerating is that as the poles' bright white surface disappears it changes the relationship of the Earth and the sun. Polar ice is so reflective that 90 percent of the sunlight that strikes it simply bounces back into space, taking its energy with it. Ocean water does just the opposite, absorbing 90 percent of the light and heat it receives, meaning that each mile of ice that melts vanishes faster than the mile that preceded it.

    This is what scientists call a feedback loop, and a similar one is also melting the frozen land called permafrost, much of which has been frozen -- since the end of last ice age in fact, or at least 8,000 years ago.

    Sealed inside that cryonic time capsule are layers of decaying organic matter, thick with carbon, which itself can transform into CO2. In places like the southern boundary of Alaska the soil is now melting and softening.

    As fast as global warming is changing the oceans and ice caps, it's having an even more immediate effect on land. Droughts are increasingly common as higher temperatures also bake moisture out of soil faster, causing dry regions that live at the margins to tip into full-blown crisis.

    Wildfires in such sensitive regions as Indonesia, the western U.S. and even inland Alaska have been occurring with increased frequency as timberlands grow more parched. Those forests that don't succumb to fire can simply die from thirst.

    With habitats crashing, the animals that call them home are succumbing too. In Alaska, salmon populations are faltering as melting permafrost pours mud into rivers, burying the gravel the fish need for spawning. Small animals such as bushy tailed rats, chipmunks and pinion mice are being chased upslope by rising temperatures, until they at last have no place to run.

    And with sea ice vanishing, polar bears are starting to turn up drowned. "There will be no polar ice by 2060," says Larry Schweiger, president of the National Wildlife Federation. "Somewhere along that path, the polar bear drops out."

    So much environmental collapse has at last awakened much of the world, particularly the 141 nations that have ratified the Kyoto treaty to reduce emissions. The Bush administration, however, has shown no willingness to address the warming crisis in a serious way and Congress has not been much more encouraging.

    Sens. John McCain and Joe Lieberman have twice been unable to get even mild measures to limit carbon emissions through a recalcitrant Senate.

    A 10-member House delegation did recently travel to Antarctica, Australia and New Zealand to meet with scientists studying climate change. "Of the 10 of us, only three were believers to begin with," says Rep. Sherman Boehlert of New York. "Every one of the others said this opened their eyes."

    But lawmakers who still applaud themselves for recognizing global warming are hardly the same as lawmakers with the courage to reverse it, and increasingly, state and local governments are stepping forward.

    The mayors of more than 200 cities have signed the U.S. Mayors Climate Protection Agreement, pledging, among other things, that they will meet the Kyoto goal of reducing greenhouse emissions in their own cities to 1990 levels by 2012. Nine northeastern states have established the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative for the purpose of developing a program to cap greenhouse gasses.

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  • Zachery
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    • Jul 2002
    • 59097

    #2
    The earth goes though warming and cooling stages.

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    • Onimua
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2005
      • 4572

      #3
      Originally posted by Zachery
      The earth goes though warming and cooling stages.
      I'm inclined to agree. Since when was the earth actually "stable" for once?

      Besides, if it isn't global warming, it's ateroids/commets that will call our doom. If it isn't that, it's Yellowstone erupting. None of those three happen, then as have to settle with earthquakes and tsunamis.

      I say pick one by throwing a dart on it and placing bets.
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      • Zachery
        Former vBulletin Support
        • Jul 2002
        • 59097

        #4
        I remember back when I was growing up, the ozone was being massively destoryed and I'd have to go outside in big white suites, and that it'd be 100 degrees every day etc etc. Then one day it all disappeard, while, there is a hole in the ozone layer, globalwarming was caused by a miscalcuation.

        If we don't kill the earth, it will probally kill us, and if not something from outerspace.

        I'm sure that the south and north poles are changing, but there isn't much we can do to stop it really.,

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        • Onimua
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2005
          • 4572

          #5
          Zachery, you forgot one: If we don't kill earth, it doesn't kill us, and something from space doesn't, humans will kill themselves.

          That would be truly ironic I think.
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          • Tailfeathers
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2004
            • 805
            • 3.6.x

            #6
            Originally posted by Zachery
            The earth goes though warming and cooling stages.
            Not this much.

            There was a mini ice age that lasted for a couple hundred years about 600 years ago. The change in temperature that happened then over hundreds of years is less than that we've seen happen in the last 10.

            This isn't just a 'stage', and our lack of care for the environment is just making it worse and worse. Many estimate that most coastal cities could be gone within 100 years.
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            • Tailfeathers
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2004
              • 805
              • 3.6.x

              #7
              Look how much of the world we lose:


              I found the actual site that has this tool by the University of Arizona and you can mess with it here:


              Select 6 meters, hit refresh map on the right, and zoom in to places and it's scary how much of some places would be lost.
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              • Cromulent
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2005
                • 627
                • 3.8.x

                #8
                I've never been one to be worried about things like this, to be honest most of it seems like scare mongering to me. Don't forget that articles like this are being written for shock value to make you read them, it would be slightly less interesting if all they did was point out some figures.

                Sure the global temperature maybe rising, but from my understanding temperatures change in a 5000 odd year cycle anyway going from Ice Age to global warming and back again.

                If it happens it happens, no use worrying about it .

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                • C.Birch
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2002
                  • 405
                  • 3.6.x

                  #9
                  Not this much.

                  Zachery, you forgot one: If we don't kill earth, it doesn't kill us, and something from space doesn't, humans will kill themselves.

                  That would be truly ironic I think.
                  also forgot little green men and there spaceships blowing us up.

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                  • Guest

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Cromulent
                    I've never been one to be worried about things like this, to be honest most of it seems like scare mongering to me. Don't forget that articles like this are being written for shock value to make you read them, it would be slightly less interesting if all they did was point out some figures.

                    Sure the global temperature maybe rising, but from my understanding temperatures change in a 5000 odd year cycle anyway going from Ice Age to global warming and back again.

                    If it happens it happens, no use worrying about it .
                    Agreed.

                    Hell the weather man can't even tell me what will happen next week half of the time, sure he can guess, but most of the time he is wrong. Now you expect me to belive some guy trying to predict the weather in 2060? C'mon.

                    I'm all for cutting out emissions that harm the planet, but at the end of the day if the coal plant isn't burning coal, I don't have power, and my dad is out of a job.

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                    • AWS
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2000
                      • 1830
                      • 5.2.x

                      #11
                      Some scientisit beleive we are headed towrds an axis shift. According to them this happens every few thousand years. The earth wobbles in it's rotation and now it is supposed be wobbling more leading many to beleive the poles will switch sometime soon, say within the next thousand years or so.
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                      • Jake Bunce
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2000
                        • 46598
                        • 3.6.x

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Cromulent
                        I've never been one to be worried about things like this, to be honest most of it seems like scare mongering to me.
                        Like the melting of the ice caps, fear compounds upon itself.

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                        • kevinmanphp
                          Senior Member
                          • Jul 2005
                          • 389

                          #13
                          You do understand that the trees in America pollute the atmosphere with more methane gas than all our automobiles and factories combined don't you? Hence, hug a hummer... chop a tree!

                          These libs with their global warming scares crack me up. All it is is a bunch of scientists looking for grant monies that would be out of a job if they reported the truth, which is clear as day.. global warming isn't caused by us.

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                          • chrispadfield
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2000
                            • 5366

                            #14
                            Got to say I am somewhat surprised how sceptical you all seem to be about the volumes of science concerning this:

                            I've never been one to be worried about things like this, to be honest most of it seems like scare mongering to me. Don't forget that articles like this are being written for shock value to make you read them, it would be slightly less interesting if all they did was point out some figures.
                            Articles like this are designed to get attention, but the 10,000+ articles in scientific journals that say similiar things are not - it's just that you ignored those.

                            You do understand that the trees in America pollute the atmosphere with more methane gas than all our automobiles and factories combined don't you? Hence, hug a hummer... chop a tree!
                            Em, no. Whatever they emit is irrelevant, they fix carbon from the atmosphere. Just because they take some carbon in and then expel some of it again does not matter - some of it is fixed into wood and that is what is relevant.

                            Still, trees are not the biggest carbon sinc - the oceans are. But their effectivness as a carbon sinc decreases as temperatures rise, its a vicious circle that once started may be difficult to stop - if it istn't too late already.
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                            • Cromulent
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 627
                              • 3.8.x

                              #15
                              The articles in scientific journals are by no means conclusive, if you can show me some real evidence that proves that global warming is DIRECT result of human intervention and not just part of a much longer cycle the planet goes through every 10 thousand years or so then I'll be prepared to admit defeat. Unfortunatly I doubt there is any such document, hence my sceptism.

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