Not just Jelsoft, but the community as well.
How many times?
Listen.
And try to keep an open mind.
Other software companies... No, not all software companies, but many, will add a new feature at the drop of a hat, providing a "use at own risk" disclaimer. Namely,IPB.
I'm sorry to reference to IPB again, but I have nothing else to go on. Invision is the board I administrated for 5 years, it is the board I beta tested and developed on. Sue me.
Scattered about the IPB ACP are some features that you might not want to use. Many of them bear disclaimers such as:
This community shot down the idea of using remote URL's in avatar- a feature I have grown accustom to for 5 years. And for what? Staff says:
"Because IPB has it doesn't mean we have to."
No, you don't have to. No one has to do anything. But that's not a valid reason so not include a feature. You want a valid reason? I'll give you a valid reason:
'Security'
Apparently, (even though I've never had a problem) apparently, enabling this feature puts your board at risk to hackers running scripts on you. But even then, I strongly stand by Admin Choice.
Because some admins aren't power hungry nazis that go around banning and penalizing their members all day long to the point where they would want to hack your board: I firmly stand by Admin Choice.
What I don't understand, is if another board could one-up you with certain features, why wouldn't you implement them? That makes makes about as much sense to me as Scientology.
Every single time I make a feature request, there's someone waiting to challenge it. And for what? What is the purpose?
Who is anyone to say: "No please DON'T do what she is asking. Moderator permissions are perfect the way they are. Site owners should control the powers the mods have - not the code..."
I wish everyone got their feature request filled. Why in the world would would someone want to say something like that?
And especially after the lengths I go through to craft a post that I believe contains an ingenious idea- that's like the worst thing you can say. And even though that was like, 2 weeks ago, I still remember!
People wonder why I'm so sharp tongued and why I get easily frustrated... Well, I wonder why the leading BB software is lacking in simple features. I've tasted IPB and vB and I'm sorry, I want the best of both worlds.
Since the minute I laid my eyes on deviantART, I knew I wanted my own. I have fought for years to get it and spent thousands... I wonder how many others can remember what impulsed them to start a community and whether or not their feature requests are indeed features from that very same community they so loath... That very desire has put me on the edge. And because my patience is running dry, I'm about to be banned from these forums. But that's ok, I never felt like a customer here anyway. So I guess all I have left now... Is a hope that my point is heard?
My vote goes to "At lease make it an option". Because that is what it will ultimately comes down to.
The Administrator should be in control of his board. Not your members. Not Jelsoft and Not someone on a forum who doesn't like your idea.
-Ms. Brinnie
- How many times have you heard someone say don't add "this" feature?
- How many times have you witnessed a member on THIS VERY BOARD shoot down another members request?
- How many times have you watched a staff member dismiss a request because he deems it a security vulnerability?
- How many times have you seen someone say that adding more features would confuse noobs?
How many times?
Listen.
And try to keep an open mind.
Other software companies... No, not all software companies, but many, will add a new feature at the drop of a hat, providing a "use at own risk" disclaimer. Namely,IPB.
I'm sorry to reference to IPB again, but I have nothing else to go on. Invision is the board I administrated for 5 years, it is the board I beta tested and developed on. Sue me.
Scattered about the IPB ACP are some features that you might not want to use. Many of them bear disclaimers such as:
This feature is NOT recommended unless you trust all your members
"Because IPB has it doesn't mean we have to."
No, you don't have to. No one has to do anything. But that's not a valid reason so not include a feature. You want a valid reason? I'll give you a valid reason:
'Security'
Apparently, (even though I've never had a problem) apparently, enabling this feature puts your board at risk to hackers running scripts on you. But even then, I strongly stand by Admin Choice.
Because some admins aren't power hungry nazis that go around banning and penalizing their members all day long to the point where they would want to hack your board: I firmly stand by Admin Choice.
What I don't understand, is if another board could one-up you with certain features, why wouldn't you implement them? That makes makes about as much sense to me as Scientology.
Every single time I make a feature request, there's someone waiting to challenge it. And for what? What is the purpose?
Who is anyone to say: "No please DON'T do what she is asking. Moderator permissions are perfect the way they are. Site owners should control the powers the mods have - not the code..."
?
I wish everyone got their feature request filled. Why in the world would would someone want to say something like that?
And especially after the lengths I go through to craft a post that I believe contains an ingenious idea- that's like the worst thing you can say. And even though that was like, 2 weeks ago, I still remember!
People wonder why I'm so sharp tongued and why I get easily frustrated... Well, I wonder why the leading BB software is lacking in simple features. I've tasted IPB and vB and I'm sorry, I want the best of both worlds.
Since the minute I laid my eyes on deviantART, I knew I wanted my own. I have fought for years to get it and spent thousands... I wonder how many others can remember what impulsed them to start a community and whether or not their feature requests are indeed features from that very same community they so loath... That very desire has put me on the edge. And because my patience is running dry, I'm about to be banned from these forums. But that's ok, I never felt like a customer here anyway. So I guess all I have left now... Is a hope that my point is heard?
So you don't like someones idea. But does that make it worthless? Because you're not going to use it?
I personally have no need for an avatar gallery, do you?
What if I said that vB should toss the reputation system because I think it's pointless and that I don't like having to look at that extra column in my ACP?
And what if, buy chance, every feature requested was added?
What if "Bloated" wasn't ever really a valid issue? What if...
Well, let's look at it in posting terms. I'm sure we can all relate to that, right? Where WYSIWYG = "Bloated" let Standard Text Editor = "Deflated"
And what do you do with a bloated post screen? I'm only quite sure you click and switch it off, right? The same could be said for extra features.
People see what they want to see, so it is written. But I think it's all one big vB fanboy circle-jerk conspiracy. Don't add this, don't add that... You're afraid. When 2.3.7 was out, they shot down half of the ideas that now make up 3.5. And now the fear is at an all time high, they're shooting down features that make up 4.0.
There are those in this community saying that adding a new features would be confusing to n00bs. I have to question that.
Why do you care?
What possesses someone to say such a thing, when they're obviously not a n00b?
I see a lot of people saying "that can't be done." or that it would "cause problems"... That's not a memorable quote by far. But this is:
"For every problem, there is a solution." -HL Mencken
Without even thinking about it, I came up with a solution to both the n00b problem and the bloated problem. Pack it all into one category and label it: Advanced Options.
I have a DSL modem... Yes, I do. It's made for n00bs- anyone can operate it. But before you can Google your hearts content, you have to initiate it. The main page consists of only a few options such as username/password, connect and restart. But in bottom right the corner, there's a button that says Expert Mode. Click it and you are prompted with this message:
I'm only 98% sure, but that should be enough to keep any n00b from going in and screwing their board up. And in that unlikely event, I'm only 99% sure that thy would have no leverage in blaming Jelsoft for anything- If that's what you're worried about.
vB could have such a page. On that page you could configure and fine tune all forum permissions, all user permissions all posting permissions and all profile permissions.
If you want to allow members to view IP's; if you trust your community and want to use dynamic images; If you want to allow your users to use HTML, but not the <embed> or <table> tag; as Admin, that should be your Choice.
I personally have no need for an avatar gallery, do you?
What if I said that vB should toss the reputation system because I think it's pointless and that I don't like having to look at that extra column in my ACP?
And what if, buy chance, every feature requested was added?
What if "Bloated" wasn't ever really a valid issue? What if...
Well, let's look at it in posting terms. I'm sure we can all relate to that, right? Where WYSIWYG = "Bloated" let Standard Text Editor = "Deflated"
And what do you do with a bloated post screen? I'm only quite sure you click and switch it off, right? The same could be said for extra features.
- POINT: If you don't like it, you don't have to use it.
People see what they want to see, so it is written. But I think it's all one big vB fanboy circle-jerk conspiracy. Don't add this, don't add that... You're afraid. When 2.3.7 was out, they shot down half of the ideas that now make up 3.5. And now the fear is at an all time high, they're shooting down features that make up 4.0.
There are those in this community saying that adding a new features would be confusing to n00bs. I have to question that.
Why do you care?
What possesses someone to say such a thing, when they're obviously not a n00b?
I see a lot of people saying "that can't be done." or that it would "cause problems"... That's not a memorable quote by far. But this is:
"For every problem, there is a solution." -HL Mencken
Without even thinking about it, I came up with a solution to both the n00b problem and the bloated problem. Pack it all into one category and label it: Advanced Options.
I have a DSL modem... Yes, I do. It's made for n00bs- anyone can operate it. But before you can Google your hearts content, you have to initiate it. The main page consists of only a few options such as username/password, connect and restart. But in bottom right the corner, there's a button that says Expert Mode. Click it and you are prompted with this message:
I'm only 98% sure, but that should be enough to keep any n00b from going in and screwing their board up. And in that unlikely event, I'm only 99% sure that thy would have no leverage in blaming Jelsoft for anything- If that's what you're worried about.
vB could have such a page. On that page you could configure and fine tune all forum permissions, all user permissions all posting permissions and all profile permissions.
If you want to allow members to view IP's; if you trust your community and want to use dynamic images; If you want to allow your users to use HTML, but not the <embed> or <table> tag; as Admin, that should be your Choice.
My vote goes to "At lease make it an option". Because that is what it will ultimately comes down to.
The Administrator should be in control of his board. Not your members. Not Jelsoft and Not someone on a forum who doesn't like your idea.
-Ms. Brinnie
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