vBulletin 3 RC4 Released - Discuss

[Kier]

Discuss away! :)

If you are having a specific problem, please post in the appropriate forum rather than using this thread. If you believe that your problem is the result of a bug, please use the vBulletin 3 bug tracker (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/bugs.php?).

[Shaolyen]

Upgrading now, thanks Kier.

[PitchouneN64ngc]

Yes, great job, big thanks for you ;)

Second :)

[Dark_Wizard]

Upgrading now...thx for all your hard work...it's greatly appreciated!

[conqsoft]

Cool!

[theXME]

Thank you very much, good work :)

[codemonkey]

Yeahr thanks a lot Kier.
I have to wait for vB-G, but then i will upgrade.

[frederics]

Very good work, Kier and the developement team ;).

[Driv3r]

Thanks Kier

[Shane]

Love ya Kier. :)

[Oblivion Knight]

Awesome, will be upgrading shortly..
To the relief of Wayne, I've stopped foaming at the mouth.. For now at least.! ;)

[nawialkair]

Downloading now and upgrading very soon>>>



Thanks Kie

[Zachery]

Thanks :) will be upgrading soon, nice job guys

[Blackbeard]

thanks upgrading now

[ffaBen]

Any chance of a list of the files modified?

[Snake~eyes]

Awesome, nice work. :)

[Mirical Bernd]

Great work Kier. Just a small tiny question: Can it really be, that after the update I don't find any updated templates? I don't want to complain, who am I ;) But it seems a bit odd :D But on the other hand: everything works fine in my betatest-board. So maybe I was the first to experience a new feature: Self-updating templates ;)

[nemesis01]

Just upgraded, didn't go so well. I appear to have lost the style changer option at bottom of page.....

[Freddie Bingham]

If you believe you've already edited the same templates that we have updated then you aren't seeing any updates because you didn't upload the RC4 .xml files when you upgraded. If you notice in the top left corner, it will now tell you what versions of the files you have while you are upgrading.

[Vile]

Good work, good work :)

[nemesis01]

Also the option to change style appears to have vanished from the usercp too, I must have done something wrong, help.....:(

[MrNase]

go go go vb-g.com :) I want to upgrade :rolleyes:

nice work guys :)

[Electronic Punk]

Upgraded without a hitch :)

[Kier]

Great work Kier. Just a small tiny question: Can it really be, that after the update I don't find any updated templates? I don't want to complain, who am I ;) But it seems a bit odd :D But on the other hand: everything works fine in my betatest-board. So maybe I was the first to experience a new feature: Self-updating templates ;)
As Freddie said, if you think you edited any of the templates listed as changed but they're not showing as updated, it almost certainly means that you didn't upload the RC4 vbulletin-style.xml file.

Note of course that if you didn't customize any of the listed templates, they will be automatically updated to RC4 status.

[corsacrazy]

im stayin on rc2 till gold is out can i go from rc2 to gold OR do i need to get the latest rc b4 going gold ?

[Mirical Bernd]

If you believe you've already edited the same templates that we have updated then you aren't seeing any updates because you didn't upload the RC4 .xml files when you upgraded. If you notice in the top left corner, it will now tell you what versions of the files you have while you are upgrading.
They were the RC 4 xml-files, I noticed that - and this a very nice feature on the upgrade-files :) . Soooo, might just be, that the templates I edited where not touched at all, which makes the migration-process on our production-board (will be done on monday) easier.

Just checked: All of my edited templates where reverted to the original before the upgrade-process - and I forgot about it. O_o shame on me, so: everything is ok :)

[Mirical Bernd]

im stayin on rc2 till gold is out can i go from rc2 to gold OR do i need to get the latest rc b4 going gold ?
You can always update from RC 2 to Gold, you will just have to run more steps on the upgrade-process. :)

[Freddie Bingham]

They were the RC 4 xml-files, I noticed that - and this a very nice feature on the upgrade-files :) . Soooo, might just be, that the templates I edited where not touched at all, which makes the migration-process on our production-board (will be done on monday) easier. I will check that tomorrow. /me falling to bed now ;)
You can also verify the changed templates by viewing the second post in the release announcement.

[ProgScan]

Cheers bigears. :)

[Mirical Bernd]

You can also verify the changed templates by viewing the second post in the release announcement. Yup, did that now. And by that it occured to me, that I didn't put in the changes after the last update- and reverting-process on the testboard. It's too late, it's definitely too late tonight ;) So thanks for the help anyway :)

[corsacrazy]

You can always update from RC 2 to Gold, you will just have to run more steps on the upgrade-process. :)
nice one mate

[Mirical Bernd]

nice one mate
That wasn't supposed to be a joke. The upgrade-script will make all steps from RC 2 to RC 3, then all steps from RC 3 to RC 4 and then all from RC 4 to Gold - if Gold is the next release. You don't have to start the script again and again, it will just do it.

[DarkSavior]

Wow, first time I've ever installed vB3 and I'm amazed, was so easy and it really is feature-rich... Can't wait for gold! :)

(In which I hope they fix some typo's in the installer)

At least I found 3 in the install.php. Just search for word "sucessful". ;)

[sabret00the]

meh good thing this came out when it did, it made it so much easier for me to download :)

[Grover]

Fantastic news that VB4 now comes with an AdminCP-style that resembles the front-end style! Just one hour ago I went to http://www.vbulletintemplates.com/mods/showthread.php?t=5358 and installed this Dark AdminCP style, because I could not wait anymore..... ;) After that I discovered the Vb3RC4 release with the new AdminCP Style. Great work! Thanks for listening!

Grover.

[Sephiroth189]

Awesome Job Kier ^_^ I can't wait till gold comes out. My members won't stop PMing me about it oO

[kentaurus]

Excellent work! And even better is the list of updated templates in the announcement (please keep that!), it makes it a lot easier for us people that customize the board beyond colors.

[Floris]

Nice announcement Kier,

Installation went smooth on my localhost for testing that, and upgrade went smooth and fast.

The first bug has just been fixed by Mike and hopefully it is the last :)

* Can't wait for the graphics! *

[RISKS]

done

[Roody]

Upgrade went smooth on my test forums and so far I have seen no issues. Nice work guys. :)

[cyburbia]

Quick, easy update; the upload took much longer than the updating itself. Nice work.

[telc]

Where can I see a list of changed templates and fixed bugs?

[Baugh]

Will the templates that require reverts be reverted automatically, or will I need to log into the admin CP and choose to revert all of those templates after I have run the update.php file?

[Floris]

Where can I see a list of changed templates and fixed bugs?The templates that have been changed are listed in the announcement. Second post.

Will the templates that require reverts be reverted automatically, or will I need to log into the admin CP and choose to revert all of those templates after I have run the update.php file?No, the upgrade script won't revert your customized templates.
You can:
* You upgrade.
* You revert the templates.
* You re-apply your template modifications, fitting the new template code.
And you should be set.

[sebe]

Kier.. its pretty vague to say "admin cp uses frontend style" .. i was under the impression that it uses your customized frontend style.. got my hopes up for nothing :(

lots of people don't use the default vb frontend style.. it would seem more logical had the admin cp use your customized frontend style.. not default frontend.

[Baugh]

The templates that have been changed are listed in the announcement. Second post.

No, the upgrade script won't revert your customized templates.
You can:
* You upgrade.
* You revert the templates.
* You re-apply your template modifications, fitting the new template code.
And you should be set.
Awesome. I don't think I've even modified any of those templates.

Thanks!

[Floris]

Kier.. its pretty vague to say "admin cp uses frontend style" .. i was under the impression that it uses your customized frontend style.. got my hopes up for nothing :(

lots of people don't use the default vb frontend style.. it would seem more logical had the admin cp use your customized frontend style.. not default frontend.
Which custom style? :D

[Loyalty4Life]

I have a question, and I'd really appreciate a response.

I've installed hacks like John's Arcade, and vBindex for my homepage. What do I have to do to keep these two hacks while upgrading to RC4?

Thanks.

[Floris]

vBulletin.com doesn't support source code hacks. You are best of asking these kind of questions on vBulletin.org.

Hacks are lost during upgrade. If you upgrade, you have to re-apply the source code changes to the new source code files.

[Gozita]

Whoa. I still haven't even installed RC3 yet.

[Ras Masta]

That's why you wait until VB3 Gold before installing any hjacks.

[Meltingfire]

Kier, you mentioned that the images would come soon, either with a "special" RC4 or in the gold. My question is if you will release the Photoshop-files at the same time?

[tonest]

thanks upgrading now

[sweet22]

how do i update the templates?, i ran upgrade10.php, did that fix the templates?

[Zelda-King]

Just upgraded, didn't go so well. I appear to have lost the style changer option at bottom of page.....Yes, I've lost mine too. Even after reverting all templates in my test style it won't show.

[Ogden2k]

Upgrade went great. Any new options in the ACP options?

[sweet22]

question, if we didnt edit of those templates that needed reverts does that mean the upgrade automatically updaded them?

[Ogden2k]

question, if we didnt edit of those templates that needed reverts does that mean the upgrade automatically updaded them?
Yep.

[chas_h]

Just did the upgrade to RC-4 on a site that also uses VBanvaced homepage, all went well. Great work guys.

Chas.

[Kier]

Kier, you mentioned that the images would come soon, either with a "special" RC4 or in the gold. My question is if you will release the Photoshop-files at the same time?
Undecided yet - the documentation to accompany the Photoshop images will need to be written after the images are complete - once that's done the Photoshop images will be released, but I wouldn't expect to see them before the Gold release.

[Fred]

To upgrade, do I simply upload all the files and run upgrade.php?.. Or do I also need to manually edit files????

[Ras Masta]

After you upload, You need to edit the config.php.new file to match your settings of your database.

Then run upgrade.php and you need to delete install.php after that is complete.

[chas_h]

After you upload, You need to edit the config.php.new file to match your settings of your database.

Then run upgrade.php and you need to delete install.php after that is complete.
Actually, if you follow the instructions for upgrading from other VB3 versions, you upload everything *except* the install/install.php and includes/config.php.new files. Then you run the;

http:/www.domain.com/forum/install/upgrade.php (http://www.domain.com/forum/install/upgrade.php)

Any editing that comes after this is only to restore any modifications that you had made to pre-upgrade templates.

Chas.

[Fred]

Just upgraded to RC4, everything went smooth.

[WildEye]

Actually, if you follow the instructions for upgrading from other VB3 versions, you upload everything *except* the install/install.php and includes/config.php.new files. Then you run the;

http:/www.domain.com/forum/install/upgrade.php (http://www.domain.com/forum/install/upgrade.php)

Any editing that comes after this is only to restore any modifications that you had made to pre-upgrade templates.

After upgrading, I deleted the install.php and upgrade1.php as listed in one part of the helpfile but not the other.

Is this wrong?

First time install prompted to do so, but the upgrade didn't...

WildEye

[Exero]

oh nice
well im not upgrading
ill wait till gold comes out then i can install all the hacks i want

[Fiji]

After upgrading, I deleted the install.php and upgrade1.php as listed in one part of the helpfile but not the other.

Is this wrong?

First time install prompted to do so, but the upgrade didn't...

WildEye

Rename or remove whole install directory... I suggest you rename it to install.whatever so you can access it later if needed...

[Deathstar]

When do we get gold?

roughly?

[Mirical Bernd]

When do we get gold?
Assuming, that between RC 4 and Gold will pass as many time as between RC 3 and RC 4, it will be in about two weeks. Assuming, that less bugs will be found in RC 4 than in RC 3, it could be earlier. However: Asking the developers one day after the release of RC 4 is ... nah, cut that off :rolleyes:

[Natch]

So far the only probs I've had with upgrading from RC3 to RC4 has been one of the dozen-or-so hacks I have installed - apart from that everything smooth as silk :)

Cheer Jelsoft - keep up the bug squishing :)

[padmaster]

Yes, I've lost mine too. Even after reverting all templates in my test style it won't show.

My style chooser is gone as well :confused:

[Zachery]

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94627

[padmaster]

Thanks!

[UltraBrain]

This is also a good way to upgrade right?

Local site on my PC:

Revert all templates
Upgrade
Modify templates again
Save style as XML file
Site on the Internet:

Revert all templates
upgrade
Upload style from my local site
That should work right?

[Floris]

Sounds about right, and I see no direct issues with that upgrade of your style.

[Paul_M]

Just like to second the request for a list of modified files, if possible?

[Lexx]

This is also a good way to upgrade right?

Local site on my PC:

Revert all templates
Upgrade
Modify templates again
Save style as XML file
Site on the Internet:

Revert all templates
upgrade
Upload style from my local site
That should work right?
UltraBrain

A "new guy" question for you (or anyone). Just puchased vB and have the latest version up and running.

I think I'd like to do all vB changes on my "local" XP Pro computer, and then upload to the live remote server as I do with FrontPage. What additional programs are needed on my local machine to run vB as it will appear on the remote server?

What do most people do (if you know) with regard adjusting/working on vB before sending it out live on their server?

Related question. Will vB live happily with FrontPage? At the moment they are on different servers until I get a handle on vB?

Thanks in advance

[Floris]

Please post those specific questions in the appropiate forum.

But to summerize:

You need your Windows machine to run Apache as web server, php and mysql as services to have vBulletin running. I advice against using frontpage upload features to handle this. Get a proper ftp program and upload them as files.

[conqsoft]

You would need a web server (Apache, IIS, etc), PHP, and mySQL on your local machine.

I think it will co-exist fine with FrontPage webs, just don't use FrontPage to publish the vBulletin files.

I use HomeSite for all my PHP/HTML editing needs, and FTP Voyager to handle moving files back and forth.

[Lexx]

Please post those specific questions in the appropiate forum.

But to summerize:

You need your Windows machine to run Apache as web server, php and mysql as services to have vBulletin running. I advice against using frontpage upload features to handle this. Get a proper ftp program and upload them as files.
Thanks for this info. I'll repost in the appropriate area. It's just that a previous poster was specific about running "locally". Thanks again.

[Floris]

No problem, but if you would have follow up questions, it would cluther this thread with off-topic posts :) That is all :)

[le`shaq]

I'm using Homesite, too. Any ideas what the team is using? I really like Homesite but I can't disable 100% of the stupid codesweeper.log writing :(

[conqsoft]

I'm using Homesite, too. Any ideas what the team is using? I really like Homesite but I can't disable 100% of the stupid codesweeper.log writing :(

According to the interview with Kier on olate.com, he uses HomeSite as well.

I never use the CodeSweeper option anyway.

[dsotmoon]

upgraded from RC3 this morning without problems, once again thanks to everyone at vB

[Wayne Luke]

Just like to second the request for a list of modified files, if possible?
During a testing phase such as this, you can assume that all files have been modified for one reason or another.

[Silver_2000]

Are there any security changes from RC2 ?

Doug

[pablo]

done

no problems

[Ras Masta]

Are there any security changes from RC2 ?

Doug
I'm sure there may be a few.

[le`shaq]

According to the interview with Kier on olate.com, he uses HomeSite as well.

I never use the CodeSweeper option anyway.
that gives me a fresh breez hehe.

yes, i disabled the codesweeper option everywhere i could find it but it's still placing a log file for html logs in my folders. but nevermind i'll find a way :D

[Danny_dill]

were can i down load it from

[conqsoft]

were can i down load it from

You can purchase it at http://www.macromedia.com/software/homesite/

[BenSjoberg]

were can i down load it from
http://www.vbulletin.com/members/ :)

[Floris]

I'm sure there may be a few.
How come you are so sure?

There have been no security issues reported between rc3 and rc4. So I see nothing that required fixing, and if there is one in rc3, and not found, it will most likely exist in rc4 too.

[XYPHEN]

Any clue when Gold version is gonna be released? :S

[Rocol]

Excellent work by all .. many thanks :cool: .. Just upgraded, all went well without any problems :D

[Danny_dill]

were can i get ot for free

[Mirical Bernd]

were can i get ot for free
it isn't free, you have to pay. And to ask for a free version directly in the support forum of the software itself is ... nah, better don't say that :rolleyes:

[frightie]

You can download it for free at this link...

http://www.dumbass.com

[MrNase]

it's http://ur.a.dumbass.com, the main site is closed down because the webmaster was a dumbass and he stole software :)

[Omega Prime]

hahaha :p

Thanks again for the RC release ;) ! Hopefully, Gold is just around the corner :)

[nsusa]

No problems upgrading here. I am very happy with the quality of the RC's.

Christoph

[Ken Iovino]

Nice, will upgrade my test forums. Just waiting for the gold release :) Then i will upgrade my boards. ;)

[mknott]

Hi,

im getting the problem that bug 2189 is about, http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/bugs.php?do=view&bugid=2189

how do i go about fixing it now that the bug is fixed?

sorry if it not ment to be posted here i wasnt sure where to post it

[DeeperImage]

Installing right now. Thank you.

[Funkie]

That's why you wait until VB3 Gold before installing any hjacks
then there will be vbgold release 1 then 2 then 3 so hacking your board will always give you this issue

There is no mention of any file changes so is it possible to just upload the upgrade.php and run it, then go and revert the templates that have been changed?

[Floris]

You can download it for free at this link...

http://www.dumbass.com
That is a little bit uncalled for. For all you know he hasn't seen the purchase page yet and is just a possible new client investigating about the product.

[Paul_M]

During a testing phase such as this, you can assume that all files have been modified for one reason or another.
That's not been true with the previous RCs though has it. Apart from the download and version information attached to each file of course. ;)

It's alright, I'll just use my trusty beyond compare as always.

Keep up the good work folks.

:)

[Mirical Bernd]

That is a little bit uncalled for. For all you know he hasn't seen the purchase page yet and is just a possible new client investigating about the product.
We can surely assume, that he has entered this forum via http://www.vbulletin.com/ - and one of the main options there is "Purchase". There is no download-section. Let's just say: Who knows how to read is clearly in advantage :D

[Funkie]

this forum is not for flamming so enough plz

I would however like to know the answer to my question have the files been changed since rc3 or is the upgrade just the templates listed, therefore all I need to upload is the upload file thank you

[Mirical Bernd]

@Funkie: I wasn't flaming, just joking a bit. If someone asks such a question, he should be standing this joking ;)

to know, whether files have been changed, yes or no, you could use this nice explanation:

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=38545

I am sure all files have been changed, since we are still in Release Candidat-stage.

[Freddie Bingham]

Every file was changed.

[XYPHEN]

I just can't wait for the Gold release!

[Ras Masta]

How come you are so sure?

There have been no security issues reported between rc3 and rc4. So I see nothing that required fixing, and if there is one in rc3, and not found, it will most likely exist in rc4 too.
Bugs fixed since RC3

Some bugs fixed include:
External.php releasing private information in a specific situation (View)

[Paul_M]

Every file was changed.
In as much as the release information, yes, I agree.

;)

[Paul_M]

Upgrade went smoothly as ever, hacks (not that should talk about those here) all went over nice and easy too, upgrade took no time at all (from RC3). Nice work chaps.

:)

[Funkie]

thx upgraded now I now all files were changed:D pointles reuploading the files if there were no changes as I have modifications to readd all's goin fine though great work thx

[XYPHEN]

Still no one has answered my question, any estimate of Gold release?!

[Zachery]

Youll know when We know :)

[conqsoft]

"When it's done."

[Mirical Bernd]

Still no one has answered my question, any estimate of Gold release?!
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showpost.php?p=607958&postcount=69

That's my assumption on that - and officialy, you will know it, when Kier makes an announcement.

[airlinebuzz]

Just upgraded, didn't go so well. I appear to have lost the style changer option at bottom of page.....

Was there a resolution to this question? My users can't change their styles anymore and the style changer is gone as well.

[Zachery]

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/bugs.php?do=view&bugid=2170&status=20

[good2laugh]

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/bugs.php?do=view&bugid=2170&status=20
Noticed this, I did not make the upgrade yet, I am still currently and happily running VB3 RC3.... but was considering doing it this morning..
but wondered if VBT Kier? have intention to correct the file for the download.. I really loathe messing about with any code unless I absolutely have to, so if there is intention to correct it I will hold off downloading. I was kinda holding off in case the images appeared anyway, so won't make much difference

[polira]

I am still running beta 7 and was wanting to upgrade to RC4.

Is there a database structure difference between beta7 and RC4? If so, will there be an import script?

Thanks,
Chip

[Steve Machol]

Yes, the db structure is different. You need to run upgrade.php.

[cyburbia]

then i can install all the hacks i want
Hacks? vB 3 doesn't need any stinkin' hacks!

[good2laugh]

Is there a reason why anytime I ask a question I'm totally ignored. This is so totally frustrating.. Only renewed my mb in October because of this VB3 - Feb and still haven't got a full working version and despite the renewed membership can't even get an answer half the time. Don't mind waiting for the product, but don't like this prejudice.. Somehow think I just wasted 4 months worth of subscriptions. Really cheesed off now. :(

[Steve Machol]

What question? This thread is not for troubleshooting problems as Kier noted. If you have a specific problem you need help with then you need to start a new thread in the appropriate forum.

[EgEr]

is there a changelog for vB3 RC4? i have many hacks installed on my site and would like to know what files, if any, i do NOT need to replace.

[Mirical Bernd]

is there a changelog for vB3 RC4? i have many hacks installed on my site and would like to know what files, if any, i do NOT need to replace.
As Steve stated: Troubleshootin is made in a different part of the forum. But apart of that: Your question has already been answered in this thread. Please read this thread carefully and you will find the answers. Even a tip to see the changed parts of the files has been posted.

[good2laugh]

What question? This thread is not for troubleshooting problems as Kier noted. If you have a specific problem you need help with then you need to start a new thread in the appropriate forum.
I'm perfectly aware this is not a troubleshooting thread, and the question was nothing to do with a problem I was having.. but whatever Steve forget it, it's always the same around here..

[Floris]

is there a changelog for vB3 RC4? i have many hacks installed on my site and would like to know what files, if any, i do NOT need to replace.
vBulletin doesn't support code hacks, so posting source code changes isn't mandatory.



Andrea net: Let your friend post his issue in the appropiate forum and get support there.

[Mirical Bernd]

I'm perfectly aware this is not a troubleshooting thread, and the question was nothing to do with a problem I was having.. but whatever Steve forget it, it's always the same around here..
The same seems to be, that noone wants to read the thread and collect the information which was already provided. Here is my posting - only one page prior to this one, #110 in the list:

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showpost.php?p=608714&postcount=110

And the next one from Freddie, #111 states:

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showpost.php?p=608761&postcount=111

Every file was changed.
Just please read the thread, it's all I am asking. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Seawolf]

vBulletin doesn't support code hacks, so posting source code changes isn't mandatory.



Andrea net: Let your friend post his issue in the appropiate forum and get support there.I like how vB now has this elitist attitude towards customers - staff like Wayne Luke answering questions such as asking for changelogs with responses such as "technically each file has changed since the label in the header section changed from RC3 to RC4."

Doesn't vB think it would be the right thing and the nice thing to do to post a CHANGELOG? Is it really THAT hard to post one?

[conqsoft]

I like how vB now has this elitist attitude towards customers - staff like Wayne Luke answering questions such as asking for changelogs with responses such as "technically each file has changed since the label in the header section changed from RC3 to RC4."

Doesn't vB think it would be the right thing and the nice thing to do to post a CHANGELOG? Is it really THAT hard to post one?

On FINAL releases, I understand that they DO supply a changelog. These are all beta's/RC's and you use them/hack them at your own risk. Why should they waste time supplying this information on all these interim releases, when you could easily run your own file compare to see the differences?

I prefer they spend their time finalizing the product, myself.

[Floris]

I like how vB now has this elitist attitude towards customers - staff like Wayne Luke answering questions such as asking for changelogs with responses such as "technically each file has changed since the label in the header section changed from RC3 to RC4."

Doesn't vB think it would be the right thing and the nice thing to do to post a CHANGELOG? Is it really THAT hard to post one?
First off, you quote my message, but I am not a staff member, nor wayne luke :)

Secondly. This version is a development one, and that means that even the smallest typo correction is a file change that could lead to a bug fix. Once the version is stable, just like with version 2, they will probably release a changelog between each release.

It is not an attitude problem I think, it is an answer : Which has changed? Almost all! ..

The development release is not suggested to run on a production site, it even states that in the announcement in the form close to "nearly good enough to run ..", with installing a development version, you beforehand know they will provide inbetween updates, file changes and/or releases etc - if you run it as your live site with source code changes, which they don't support, then it is your choice.

But .. that is just how I see it.
Take my post with a bit of salt though; I am just trying to explain to you how I think it is, that doesn't mean IT IS.

[Kier]

On FINAL releases, I understand that they DO supply a changelog. These are all beta's/RC's and you use them/hack them at your own risk. That's exactly right.

[Seawolf]

First off, you quote my message, but I am not a staff member, nor wayne luke :)http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/member.php?u=868 "vbulletin Team" He might not be "staff" but he's still a part of vB. And where does my quoting of your message imply you are staff?


Secondly. This version is a development one, and that means that even the smallest typo correction is a file change that could lead to a bug fix. Once the version is stable, just like with version 2, they will probably release a changelog between each release.

It is not an attitude problem I think, it is an answer : Which has changed? Almost all! .. You know what I mean - and you're just trying to make excuses for it.

I find an answer like was given by Wayne Luke rather condescending.

[Mirical Bernd]

@Seawolf: I still don't see your point. What is the problem in uploading all files again? What is the problem in hacking all files again?

Me for my part have been changing very little. There is one major hack installed right now, where 3 files have been changed. The rest is template-mods. And for my part the documentation of the template-mods are very good. The PHP-files will always be uploaded on all upgrades. I will incorporate more hacks as soon as 3.0.0 has been released - maybe I will even wait until 3.0.3 or 3.0.4, just to be sure, that the board itself is stable enough to sustain more hacks. It is your decision, when you do otherwise.

And I would like to quote the text in the member-area:

Please remember that vBulletin 3 is not the current 'stable', supported release. Installing vBulletin 3 on your site is done at your own risk, and while we will do our best to help you with any problems you might come up against, you should not install vBulletin 3 at this stage if you are not an experienced and competent vBulletin administrator. If you install vBulletin 3 and have major problems, our support staff are likely to ask you to install vBulletin 2 instead and to only upgrade to vBulletin 3 when the final release is made. So: Do they officialy give you any support on this product, the version 3.0.0 Release Candidat 4? No, they don't. Everything they do in these threads in other parts of this forum is on good will only. Hell, they could even discontinue the work on 3.0.0 and you couldn't complain.

If you need to see what changes have been made since RC 3, get yourself a tool, which compares the files, and you will see, whether you should upload them or not. You are betatesting a product. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Orfejs]

It is still so unstable on older servers ... don't install it for now ...

[kippesp]

If you ignore the header section changes, of the .php files 112 out of 190 RC3 files changed.

I'd like to know, why some of the files in admincp and modcp differ only by the cvs file version? Once gold is released, won't that make any changelog unnecessarily long?

[Wayne Luke]

It is still so unstable on older servers ... don't install it for now ...
What do you mean by older servers? There are minimums required by vBulletin 2.X and 3.0 which would preclude old technology.

Those minimum requirements are PHP 4.06 and MySQL 3.23. If your web server can support these minimums, then it shouldn't have any problem with vBulletin 3.0. For maximum performance we do recommend latest stable versions of each of these as well as keeping your webserver software up to date.

[Wayne Luke]

I find an answer like was given by Wayne Luke rather condescending.
I am sorry for the answer, it was meant as a joke. As a policy, Jelsoft does not release changelogs or lists of files that were changed while beta testing major versions.

There is documentation in the works that will discuss major changes from the version 2.0 series and we do maintain changelogs within minor releases which are available in the member's area to all licensed customers.

[feldon23]

Folks, you're not going to get a changelog between vB3 beta versions. Sorry!

If you have hacked your vB then use Beyond Compare to compare a virgin vB3 RC3 with a virgin vB3 RC4 and you'll have the change 'vector' between the 2 versions.

If you are having a problem with vB then create a thread in the Troubleshooting forum.

This thread is for comments about the release and comments in general about the progress of vB3. It's not for questions, suggestions, or problems about a specific version of vB3. Can you imagine trying to cram every question people have about vB3 in this one topic?

Yes, I've had my ass chewed out for asking questions in these release threads too. And Wayne can be pretty coarse with responses, but overall I consider vB tech support to be quite acceptable.

[feldon23]

Hacks? vB 3 doesn't need any stinkin' hacks!
# of new posts/threads on Forum Home (a surprising oversight :( )
QuickEdit of your own posts (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=59629)
vBArcade (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=60377)
Now Playing (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=59538)
Need I go on?

[Wayne Luke]

# of new posts/threads on Forum Home (a surprising oversight :( )

Actually this isn't an oversight. This hack is a good way to bring medium to large servers to its news. The major problem is that there is no default indexing on the dateline field which makes the "simple" query for this generate a table scan which alone can add over a minute to the loading of a busy board's homepage. Even with a index, it cannot be unique, a state which also increases the resources needed for the query beyond what was deemed acceptable by the developers.

[good2laugh]

The same seems to be, that noone wants to read the thread and collect the information which was already provided. Here is my posting - only one page prior to this one, #110 in the list:

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showpost.php?p=608714&postcount=110

And the next one from Freddie, #111 states:

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showpost.php?p=608761&postcount=111


Just please read the thread, it's all I am asking. Nothing more, nothing less.
Not sure who you are telling to read anything but I don't appreciate it!
I DID NOT ASK ABOUT FILE CHANGES! I don't give one iota which files were changed because I would upload them all anyway... So pls don't patronise me.. My question was (now rephrased so you all don't patronise me further) " given that there is a problem with style changer, and given Mike provided text to change etc... do VB have intention of correcting the file" IE will they update the files in the members download area.... or do they intend to leave it as is and *we* have to change the file ourselves..

Now it may be a simple change - but I don't want to change code unless I absolutely have to and if the intention was to update I'd hang on and dl the files which did not require me to alter them.. on previous releases where some problems have been highlighted they have updated the file area and the file available in the dl area reflects those changes. This was a valid question. It was not a troubleshooting problem, just a question which would save me faffing about with code. Not everyone who uses VB or similar software has the ability or knowhow (no matter how simple and well explained) to change code.

finally - I'm no longer interested in getting an answer - as mentioned previously it's the same old same old as far as certain mods and members are concerned.:mad: :mad:

[Steve Machol]

do VB have intention of correcting the file" IE will they update the files in the members download area.... or do they intend to leave it as is and *we* have to change the file ourselves..We rarely ever update the files of a released version with bug fixes for the simple reason that this complicates providing support. Therefore there are no plans to fix any RC4 bugs in the RC4 zip file. These fixes will be available in the next version. To apply these fixes now, you do need to edit the files yourself.

[VAYC]

I totally agree with you on that, it's a pain giving support on those issues. Trust me, when you're in development, that's the last thing you want to do/offer to your client.

[Mirical Bernd]

Not sure who you are telling to read anything but I don't appreciate it!
I was kindly asking, not telling.

I DID NOT ASK ABOUT FILE CHANGES! I don't give one iota which files were changed because I would upload them all anyway... So pls don't patronise me..
I am sorry about that, that I misunderstood your posting, which wasn't that clear on the first hand. It could be possible, that I misclicked, when doing the response, wanting maybe to quote a different posting. As I combined two postings in the quote, this is a possibility. However, please don't yell at me, this is rude. Please consider that maybe I made a mistake and if I did, please consider to take my apologies.

finally - I'm no longer interested in getting an answer - as mentioned previously it's the same old same old as far as certain mods and members are concerned.:mad: :mad:
I am looking in this forum a bit more since vB 3.0.0 Beta 6. Can't be the "same old thing" with me. ;)

[Floris]

If this topic is going off topic and discussing personal disputes, then I am going to unsubscribe to it - I rather discuss version 3, rc4.

[UltraBrain]

If this topic is going off topic and discussing personal disputes, then I am going to unsubscribe to it - I rather discuss version 3, rc4.NO!! Noooo!!! pleaseeeeee!!! Dont unsubscribe! :rolleyes:

[MrNase]

shut up UltraBrain :mad:

I feel the same way as floris :)

[Hurricane_GS]

It is correct! This is all the "same old, same old!" I can break it down. Maybe **** should start this disscussion thread, post this stuff, then just lock the thread!

1. When is Gold being released?
2. Damn fine job **** and VB Team!
3. I am having <insert some problem here>! (Or) Why can't I <insert whatever here>?
4. I am mad because it is taking too long. I am wasting my subscription.
5. If we can not have Gold yet, can we at least have the graphics? You owe it to us!(Before the release of RC3 this would have been: Can we at least see a screen shot? You owe it to us!)
6. Other misc crying that people do.

It has come to the point that I really hate reading this thread. And I am not sure why I do. Maybe I like the pain it causes my brain.

I love VB3 and I do not personally feel that it has been a waste of subscription time waiting on it. The Betas and RC versions have been a wonderful tool for learning all of the new features. It has allowed me to get to know what I want to do when I roll out the gold version so I am not deploying a piece of junk.

So please people, stop your little cry baby act because it is annoying! Gold will be here when it is ready and not a moment sooner. And it will be worth it!

Your technical questions will be answered if, and only if, you post them in the correct forum. (I am 99% sure this applies to EVERY forum out there including mine!)

And if you feel there is something you deserve that you are not getting... it is probably because you don't really deserve it. So get off you high horse and deal with it, or go cry somewhere else so we don't have to hear it. There are good people on this forum that do not need to hear you whine.

Thanks for the space! I love VB3 and have had little to no issues.

[Mirical Bernd]

Nice post Hurricane, it hits all the right points :)

[poolking]

If you just the lock the thread even though these threads always follow the same pattern, you could be accused of censoring opinion.

Then the following questions will arise:

1. Why the hell did you lock the forum? I have something valid to say.
2. The staff are at it again not wanting us to criticise them.
3. Well I didn't post anything derogatory in that thread

etc., etc..

So the best solution is to ignore these threads completely. :)

[Mirical Bernd]

So the best solution is to ignore these threads completely. :)
But then again - if you do so: Everyone says, that the staff has a certain attitude and doesn't want to help. :D

[Bloch]

It is correct! This is all the "same old, same old!" I can break it down. Maybe **** should start this disscussion thread, post this stuff, then just lock the thread!

1. When is Gold being released?
<snip>
Exactly.

I was running version 2.3.4 on our public board until RC2 came out. I don't know, I'm not this fond of anything called "Beta" and had some bad experiences with other software called "Beta".
I had installed the Gamma-versions on my test board. I never found a problem. I looked around and saw that huge boards were running the newest release without any problems, and our members wanted to have it too. I just upgraded. And upgraded again. Yet again. No prob.

I love it. They love it. No problems at all, not even with some installed hacks and mods. It's already "Gold" to me, and I can live with the graphics anyway; or I could make my own ones. Of course, my subscription doesn't run out yet. And I'll bring a new customer in shortly.

I'm not greedy, I'm pleased, my members are pleased - what do I want more? Gold version? Do I have to upgrade again? ;)

[Tre]

For RC5 or Gold release maybe there should be a New Topic or New Thread button added to each thread page instead of just a New Reply button. It'll be so much easier to create a new thread that way.

Thanks.

[Mirical Bernd]

For RC5 or Gold release maybe there should be a New Topic or New Thread button added to each thread page instead of just a New Reply button. It'll be so much easier to create a new thread that way. You can do that on your own :) Take a small look here:

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95018

[mwhoob.net]

Thank you very much, good work :p

[XvBadBendervX]

For RC5 or Gold release maybe there should be a New Topic or New Thread button added to each thread page instead of just a New Reply button. It'll be so much easier to create a new thread that way.

Thanks.Actually, for a lot of members of my own board, that becomes bothersome. Without paying attention, they'll go for the reply button; only to hit the new thread button. That may be because my members are a bunch of stoners and programmers, but hey, they're people too :P

[rebelsrock06]

VB R is great, Im just an admin on a board but my superadmin/owner just upgreaded. Thanks Alot VB Team, your VB is always improving :)

[Ashley52680]

I just have done a few things to my board... (hacks)


Will it mess up the new templates I added? (sorry for such a novice question)

Thanks, Ash

[Mirical Bernd]

If you have added new templates, they will stay absolutely untouched. vB is only updating the own templates :)

[Ashley52680]

Thanks!!

Also...

I think I *might* have had to change a couple of vB's templates to do the hacks... I suppose that I'd have to redo those adjustments?

[Wayne Luke]

I think I *might* have had to change a couple of vB's templates to do the hacks... I suppose that I'd have to redo those adjustments?
No... Upgrading doesn't change any customized templates automatically.

[surfdude]

I figured if vBulletin run their own forum on early betas, than they had a lot of confidence in their new release. I did the same, and have never had any problems.

Looking forward to new graphics, but again, they might not be everyones cup of tea. So I ain't that bothered with actual release date. All I know is we are getting there, and is now matter of days or weeks. But who cares. It is not going to be any different from current release, apart from some bug fixes. Users on my forum love new version, and would not go back to the vB2.

Anyway, all respect to vB team for their handling of this release, and if big M did the same, we would have much cleaner windows in our houses.

[jucs]

All this reversion with templates is a pain in the rear.

Heck, there goes a quick upgrade! :rolleyes:

[conqsoft]

All this reversion with templates is a pain in the rear.

Heck, there goes a quick upgrade! :rolleyes:
Then don't use beta software. Wait for the final and you won't have to keep re-doing modifications.

[esayr]

thank!

[Tungsten]

I finally got those alligators off of my arse (Wayne will probably be the only one who 'gets' that one) and upgraded to RC4 today. What an uneventful upgrade! Couldn't you guys have worked some code in to trash database tables or something? I mean, I ran through the script and it just worked. No excitement, no drama. :rolleyes:










;) Just kidding. Great job!

[Ashley52680]

Thanks for the info!!

Ash

[ShAwNz]

Keep up the good job guys !

I hope Gold will come soon, so i can finally get my forums up :)

[Wayne Luke]

All this reversion with templates is a pain in the rear.

Heck, there goes a quick upgrade! :rolleyes:
Really, for me the upgrade from RC3 to RC4 required looking at 3 templates and I decided not to revert any of them. All you have to do is click on "Find Updated Templates". The changes will be less drastic than you think, especially since 90% of all modifications are made in less than 12 templates.

[synicide]

Yeah, it wasn't that bad of an upgrade. :p
Past ones have been a lot more involved.

[John_770]

lol tungsten. Upgraded from 2.29 today. Smooth as a baby's bottom with exception to thumbnail conversion..took a bit of coaxing. Great work all - loving it already.

[catocom]

Really, for me the upgrade from RC3 to RC4 required looking at 3 templates and I decided not to revert any of them. All you have to do is click on "Find Updated Templates". The changes will be less drastic than you think, especially since 90% of all modifications are made in less than 12 templates.I never change the originals, and it doesn't mess with the custom ones.
I haven't had a bit of trouble.:p

[jucs]

Then don't use beta software. Wait for the final and you won't have to keep re-doing modifications.I have NO modifications. Last time it was a nightmare. I had all this "reverting" to do and yet I was just upgrading to the next RC.

My board got totally whacked. Do a search on my posts and you can see for yourself how screwed up it got. I had to take my forums completely offline.

[Ras Masta]

I updated the patch also.

[Ken Iovino]

Then don't use beta software. Wait for the final and you won't have to keep re-doing modifications.
Exaclly. I'm using it to see bugs/suggestions. And i like getting used to the software. thats why backups are always good.

[feldon23]

I have NO modifications. Last time it was a nightmare. I had all this "reverting" to do and yet I was just upgrading to the next RC.

My board got totally whacked. Do a search on my posts and you can see for yourself how screwed up it got. I had to take my forums completely offline.
Maybe I am misinterpreting things, but in your thread here (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?p=596141), it looks like you tried to force vB3 RC2 to accept a vB3 Beta 7 style. They're completely incompatible.

[Ryan Ashbrook]

I just broke down and upgraded.

For some reason I hate being behind on updates. Lmao.

It went smooth, nice job vB team! :)

[welo]

I was holding out for VB3 final until the security patch popped up, and decided to upgrade. I had notes on all the templates I'd already hacked, so everything went fine and smooth.

(well, right up until I acidentally executed a rm -rf command in the /home/username/ dir and wiped out the whole site :D; took some tap dancing after that to get everything put back :); lucky I have my forum sub setup as its own server account)

[Teresa]

What does the security issue mean in lay terms?

[Realworlds]

I was holding out for VB3 final until the security patch popped up, and decided to upgrade. I had notes on all the templates I'd already hacked, so everything went fine and smooth.

I was in the same boat, but much to my surprise, the upgrade went uber quick and I have a decent sized board

[Beowolf]

Hi, when vB3 goes final, if I am on 2.3.4, will there only be one upgrade I have to peform, or will I have to go through upgrading all the RC's?

[Roody]

Hi, when vB3 goes final, if I am on 2.3.4, will there only be one upgrade I have to peform, or will I have to go through upgrading all the RC's?
You will have a few more scripts to run through I believe. Likely won't take you more then a minute or two longer though.

[dwh]

I downloaded the latest RC last night, but see a new announcement only this morning about the members containing the new files, so I assume it was changed only this am?

[conqsoft]

I downloaded the latest RC last night, but see a new announcement only this morning about the members containing the new files, so I assume it was changed only this am?

In the members area, it tells when the file was last updated:

vBulletin 3 package last updated 9:06am, Sun Feb 15th

[Zachery]

I think youll need to run though all the beta steps.

[misterfade]

Forgive me if this has been mentioned already, but will the template coding be changed at all from RC4 to the final Gold release?

[HexOnxOnx]

Hi, when vB3 goes final, if I am on 2.3.4, will there only be one upgrade I have to peform, or will I have to go through upgrading all the RC's?The upgrade script will take you through every version including the betas and RC's, one at a time to get you all the way to the current version. I recently upgraded a 2.3.2 board this way.

[MrNase]

The upgrade script will take you through every version including the betas and RC's, one at a time to get you all the way to the current version. I recently upgraded a 2.3.2 board this way.
that's true. Follow all steps untill you're asked to delete the install.php. Delete that file and you are done.

When i upgraded i had a lot of trouble cause i stopped on the 'beta 7 step' because i never thought i'd have to follow that much steps :D

[Mirical Bernd]

Forgive me if this has been mentioned already, but will the template coding be changed at all from RC4 to the final Gold release?
Like the change from Beta 7 to Gamma? No, they won't. Some coding might be changed, but not all.

[HexOnxOnx]

LOL Yeah I accidentally deleted the file way to early the first time I upgraded because I thought it was all done. I thought I really messed things up but then I just changed what it showed in the URL to the next step and I was able to continue after I put the file back!

[misterfade]

Like the change from Beta 7 to Gamma? No, they won't. Some coding might be changed, but not all.

Yeah that's what I meant. Because last time I had checked in here, I remember reading about coding being re-done for the next version, but I guess that was for Gamma.

Thanks.

[dwh]

I just uploaded the new init.php and search.php files overwriting the old ones. I assume that'll do the trick.

[Mirical Bernd]

I just uploaded the new init.php and search.php files overwriting the old ones. I assume that'll do the trick.
Yup, that's all they asked for :)

[Amiga]

that's true. Follow all steps untill you're asked to delete the install.php. Delete that file and you are done.

When i upgraded i had a lot of trouble cause i stopped on the 'beta 7 step' because i never thought i'd have to follow that much steps :D
haha, that quite freaked me up when upgrading and i saw so many steps.. I thought i'd be there all day upgrading :)

[dwh]

Yup, that's all they asked for :)You look like Harris Yulin. He's a great actor. Anyone every mention that to you before?

[Mirical Bernd]

I have to admit, I had to search on Google for him, cause I couldn't connect a face to this name. Now I can :) But noone ever mentioned it, no :)

[Ras Masta]

Now we wait.....

[bada_bing]

Ok I am really confused. I just broke down and purchased VB 2.3.4

I am seeing talk about VB3 RC4 being released what does this mean? Is this beta version or the final release? Can I upgrade from version 2.3.4 to vb3 rc4?

Also does anyone know when Vportal will have the upgrade to support this new version?

[dwh]

Ok I am really confused. I just broke down and purchased VB 2.3.4

I am seeing talk about VB3 RC4 being released what does this mean? Is this beta version or the final release? Can I upgrade from version 2.3.4 to vb3 rc4?

Also does anyone know when Vportal will have the upgrade to support this new version?
RC4 aka Release Candidate 4 is close to final but it is still beta (or gamma I guess they call it).

[bada_bing]

Any idea when VB3 RC4 will be in production phaze and not beta?

[dwh]

Any idea when VB3 RC4 will be in production phaze and not beta?
Hard to say. When they released 4 they expected to go Gold within two weeks (which would be this friday) depending on quantity of bugs (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/bugs.php?s=&do=list&status=40) and their severity. I think the adminpermissions bug is severe although easily fixable. The buglist is small but maybe they will do an RC5 to be safe.

[Wayne Luke]

Also does anyone know when Vportal will have the upgrade to support this new version?
The only people who could answer this are over at the vBPortal site so you should ask there.

[VampireMan]

The only people who could answer this are over at the vBPortal site so you should ask there. VBP 3 is under development at the moment and there is a "preview site".
But some of the work is dependant on the Gold release of vbulletin 3.
So there is no date set , but be assured the developers are hard at work.
Please check the vbportal site for more information , the current status is on the main page.

Chris (vBPortal mod)

[Gio Takahashi]

eh
each upgrade besides beta 7 to Gamma, should be only short. The longest part is the initial installation/upgrade.

[catocom]

I just uploaded the new init.php and search.php files overwriting the old ones. I assume that'll do the trick.As Mirical said...That's right.
That's all I did, and it's working great so far. ;)

[XYPHEN]

I'm very proud! :) lol

[ria.enigma]

I havn't seen any recent updates, so please don't flame me for asking...

I realize RC4 was just recently released, but I was curious if the Dev's - at this very point in time - believe there will be another RC, or will the next step be releasing the "gold" version?

I simply ask because im anxiously awaiting the release of some popular skins ported to vb3, and I havnt found a reference on how to accomplish this ourselves.

Thanks! :)

[Samira]

Upgraded to RC4 (patch included) with no apparent problems! Thanks!

[AZone]

Upgrading to RC4..................
Completed successfully

[The General]

I havn't seen any recent updates, so please don't flame me for asking...

I realize RC4 was just recently released, but I was curious if the Dev's - at this very point in time - believe there will be another RC, or will the next step be releasing the "gold" version?

No more confirmed or unconfirmed bugs left in the list...I'm sure we'll find out soon! =D

[conqsoft]

No more confirmed or unconfirmed bugs left in the list...I'm sure we'll find out soon! =D

There are some "Awaiting Feedback" though, I think.

[The General]

There are some "Awaiting Feedback" though, I think.
Yeah, but I'm sure they're not gonna wait till every last lazy wanknoodle replies... :D

[VAYC]

On the other hand, vbulletin has to make sure when is the most expiring members is so it's better to release and send a news so people could upgrade.

[Tungsten]

On the other hand, vbulletin has to make sure when is the most expiring members is so it's better to release and send a news so people could upgrade.OH MY GOD, IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!!!

http://www.tennesspeed.net/members/tungsten/smilies/ohnoes.gif

[dwh]

On the other hand, vbulletin has to make sure when is the most expiring members is so it's better to release and send a news so people could upgrade.
:rolleyes:

[kippesp]

:rolleyes:
So be it. I, as well as thousands of other license holders, have been compensated with the 3-month expiration extension several months back.

[Ras Masta]

So be it. I, as well as thousands of other license holders, have been compensated with the 3-month expiration extension several months back.
I'm thinking a March release date for Gold.

[VAYC]

hehehe, smart business; that's what I would do...

[dwh]

Yes, great job, big thanks for you ;)

Second :)
You mean to tell me vbulletin france headquarters is based out of Cannes France??? Need any vbulletin coders? ;) I want to see pictures, are you located on the beach? :D

[FASherman]

Update time?

The pattern, for quite awhile now, is two weeks after the last release, we receive an status update from ****. Usually announcing the next milestone. The last three or four releases have all been at 3-week intervals.

So should we expect an announcement on Friday and will we hear that the long awaited Gold version will be available the following Friday? Or will it be RC5 or even just a graphics pack release?

****, the ball is in your court. We await an update - hopefully patiently. One can only hope this doesn't spawn yet another round of "We want the code now" demands. It would be foolish to equate a request for information with a demand for release.

[Tungsten]

One can only hope this doesn't spawn yet another round of "We want the code now" demands. It would be foolish to equate a request for information with a demand for release.
Yes, but there are enough foolish people here to almost guarantee it will happen. I had sent Kier a short PM yesterday simply asking if a status update was forthcoming. Never heard back, but honestly never expected to.

[corsacrazy]

3.0.0 Status Update (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95740)




thats all well but any ideas when rather than what ?

[Steve Machol]

We are not publishing any potential dates until we are very certain of meeting them. We felt that it would be good nonetheless to provide an update of what is going on.

[synicide]

After reading what Kier had to say, I'd say at least another 2 weeks or something. I'd rather them get it done right than done fast. Best things come to those who wait, right?

Keep up the awesome work guys. We're all behind ya 110%, no matter how whiney some of us might get. Thanks for the update. :)

[good2laugh]

We are not publishing any potential dates until we are very certain of meeting them. We felt that it would be good nonetheless to provide an update of what is going on.
Thank you for the update.
Can I just get clarification of what Kier said in regard to the images. They are being polished.... Does this mean that it will be unlikely we will get them before gold, or is there a chance we might. I realise the graphic kit goes out with gold but I'm not interested in that, just the images. Thanks for clarifying.

Please nobody get out of their pram, I know people including myself have asked questions here and we get sarcastic comments as replies, so to clarify I am NOT asking for a date of gold release or a date for anything, just whether there is a chance we'd get or be able to get the images before gold.

[Kier]

The images are very close now. I intend to release them before Gold.

[synicide]

The images are very close now. I intend to release them before Gold.
That comment makes me happy. :D

[good2laugh]

The images are very close now. I intend to release them before Gold.
Thank you. :)

[Steve Machol]

The images are very close now. I intend to release them before Gold.
And thus the Kier has spoken. ;)

[MrNase]

good to see kier made an announcement. But iam a bit disappointed. I was hoping kier would give us some exact dates. :(

[Mirical Bernd]

5. Work on the vB3 Manual has begun in earnest. It was necessary to wait until the major coding was complete before much of this work could begin. There are a large number of new features and controls that need to be completely documented and it is our goal to release vB3 with complete documentation that will eclipse that which was available for vB2.
Ok, most of the things in your announcement are telling us: Yes, we are close to finishing. Only this part doesn't. I know, you would love to have this manual when releasing Gold. But yet that might trigger a release-date which still is far from now, as writing such a manual takes some time, if I am not wrong.

Maybe I am the only one, who bothers this, but is there a small chance, that we can get the Gold-version without the manual? The ones who are expecting it really much are these persons who have fought themselves through the betas and release candidates and they most likely know their boards so well, that they don't need the manual :D So... what about a "delta-release" which is Gold but without the manual? ;)

But maybe you can help out of the fears of the users by saying: Writing the manual is a matter of days rather than weeks or even months. I don't care that much about it, as RC 4 is running very stable on our very big production-board. For me it could run there for eternities and I will update as soon as Gold is published. :D But there are some, which fear that their license won't last long enough. :rolleyes:

[Boxy]

what about a "delta-release" which is Gold but without the manual?That's essentially what you have in the form of RC4...

[Mirical Bernd]

well yes... but without all bugs resolved. There are some still in there ;)

[Fiji]

There's no all-bugs-resolved software...

[Rocky_BBQ]

I think they should go ahead and release RC5. Let that fly for 2-3 weeks and find as many more bugs as possible before releasing the Gold.

Releasing the Gold version too early will only look bad when more bug reports come flowing in within the 2-3 weeks following the release. Then there will be version 3.01, 3.02, 3.03.

This will probably happen anyway, but by releasing RC5 first, many more of these bugs will be found and fixed, creating a better Gold release.

Heck, they might even want to consider an RC6 before going Gold. Have the Gold release as close to perfect as possible.

[cyburbia]

People here seem to be eager for a Gold release ASAP.

I think the folks at vBulletin are doing the right thing, by waiting until all the bugs are worked out before releasing Gold. Why follow the example of Microsoft, whose products are often in a state of perpetual beta. vBulletin shouldn't be a product where there's a patch-of-the-week to address some new vulnerability or bug.

Yeah, I'm anxious to see 3.0 Gold, and the associated graphics, but I'd rather wait a few weeks than deal with releases 3.0.1, 3.0.2, 3.0.3, 3.0.4, 3.0.5, 3.0.6, 3.0.7, 3.0.8, 3.0.9, 3.0.10, 3.0.11, 3.0.12 and so on the month after it's released. Besides, RC 4 works fine 99.99% of the time, and excepting graphics the difference between that and Gold probably won't be that significant.

[Zeitgeist]

I think some people are waiting for vB3 Gold and are upgrading their boards not before the RC status has gone away. This will result that some bugs will be founded in the Gold-version first because more users are more watching eyes that can find more bugs in the code.

[thenetbox]

I'm trying to upgrade from RC2 to RC4 .. When I try to run upgrade.php it forwards me to /admincp

What am I doing wrong?

*resolved*

whoops.. just uploaded in ASCII... fixed that problem.

and whoops wrong forum..

sorry :)

[The General]

Post a topic here (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=59). This post is not for troubleshooting.

Good luck!

[Wayne Luke]

Ok, most of the things in your announcement are telling us: Yes, we are close to finishing. Only this part doesn't. I know, you would love to have this manual when releasing Gold. But yet that might trigger a release-date which still is far from now, as writing such a manual takes some time, if I am not wrong.
It does. However, the manual creation is not starting from scratch. There have been numerous documents written over the development period highlighting individual sections of the product as well as most of the Admin Help has been written. These documents and the Admin Help are what have to be collated and put into a logical format for there to be manual.

One of the biggest issues with vBulletin 2.X was a lack of documentation and a poor manual. This is being rectified with this release. However, it isn't as if the manual is just now being started from nothing at this point, there has been cursory work done on it throughout the development process.

[Ras Masta]

Honestly, I would prefer a RC5 release, and also I believe that there will most likely be one unless Kier decides to release the images as a seperate file like the ini.php.

I just think after the recent issues with RC4 that another RC would be one of the safest things to do.

[exasko]

I been reading around... but I don't or atleast haven't come accross anything that hints to the release. I've read the new annoucments made yesterday, but I am just curious.. and I know I'm probably going to get my head bite for asking but...

are we looking at 1 week.. 2 weeks... a month.. two months.. before the release of Gold?

[le`shaq]

that's what i thought of at first, too :)

[Ras Masta]

I been reading around... but I don't or atleast haven't come accross anything that hints to the release. I've read the new annoucments made yesterday, but I am just curious.. and I know I'm probably going to get my head bite for asking but...

are we looking at 1 week.. 2 weeks... a month.. two months.. before the release of Gold?
They didn't give any dates because they don't even know themselves how long it's going to be.

Too many people act like VBulletin has a set date that they are holding out on telling us about, but it's not the case. They don't even know and it all depends on the feedback of the releases and what security and bug issues come into play.