vBulletin 3 RC4 Released - Discuss

[FASherman]

I don't particularly care about dates. I care about communicating status honestly and forthright. Jelsoft had a problem with that and I think its fair to say I hammered them hard, really hard.

However, if a date is given, if an expectation is made, it should be met come hell or high water. If unable to meet an advertised date, they should communicate as soon as it becomes evident that there will be a delay, not just before the date that will be missed.

They have done an outstanding job communicating in the last maybe 4 or 5 months. ****, Steve and Co. deserve recognition for the turn-around. They have also done a great job in meeting the dates they do advertise. Since Beta 7, they have always given us about a week heads-up on releases and they've hit every one.

So, as hard as I've been on them in the past, I have to praise them in recent months just as strongly.

Now, someone grab a portable defibulator and stand by. When they read me singing their praises instead of criticizing them, they might need a jumpstart on the ol' ticker.

[synicide]

are we looking at 1 week.. 2 weeks... a month.. two months.. before the release of Gold?

Well, think about it. I mean how long would it logically take to get all this done, especially things like the manual in my view. Like I stated before, I think at least 2 weeks if not more. It just sounds logical.


I don't particularly care about dates. I care about communicating status honestly and forthright. Jelsoft had a problem with that and I think its fair to say I hammered them hard, really hard.

Amen.

[exasko]

Well, think about it. I mean how long would it logically take to get all this done, especially things like the manual in my view. Like I stated before, I think at least 2 weeks if not more. It just sounds logical.

If myself was doing that it would take a long time, but I don't know how many people work on vBulletin, so depending on how many employees work on this...

I am not aware how many people work on it.. so I cannot make a guess, or use any logic if I don't know how many people are working on this project.

[Ras Masta]

As stated before they already have an outline and documentations to put into the manual. Piecing it together will take some time but not as long as you think. They aren't writing a novel lol

I think they are doing a great job and are actually doing everything at a pretty high paced rate. No slack from VB3 :)

It's not like they are the same ones behind developing Duke Nukem Forever :)

[XYPHEN]

I cannot find the option to change postbit in RC4? Legacy postbit and other postbit :(

[PitchouneN64ngc]

I cannot find the option to change postbit in RC4? Legacy postbit and other postbit :(
Into your vBulletion Options, Style & Language Settings > Use Legacy (Vertical) Postbit Template

:)

[XYPHEN]

i see they moved that option ;)

[qoolventure]

Will new importer released together with gold version? I just bought a vbulletin and waiting to migrate my phpbb to vbulletin, but it is kind of troublesome for me to migrate to vbulletin 2, fix the bugs then upgrade to RC4....

any suggestion?

[Steve Machol]

The new import scripts will most likely be released a little while after the final release.

[2k1civic]

It's working great for me forum is at http://forums.swgstation.com

[Silver_2000]

RC2 to RC4 upgrade went without a hitch.....

http://www.talonclub.com/forum/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif
Doug

[Marula]

I hear what you saying - but vb could be hold off on each RC and releasing and waiting for new bugs to appear with each RC and it would be an almost neverending cycle...do you agree or disagree?

Why not just release gold and call the proceeding bug patch SP1/2/3/4 etc?


I think they should go ahead and release RC5. Let that fly for 2-3 weeks and find as many more bugs as possible before releasing the Gold.

Releasing the Gold version too early will only look bad when more bug reports come flowing in within the 2-3 weeks following the release. Then there will be version 3.01, 3.02, 3.03.

This will probably happen anyway, but by releasing RC5 first, many more of these bugs will be found and fixed, creating a better Gold release.

Heck, they might even want to consider an RC6 before going Gold. Have the Gold release as close to perfect as possible.

[Rocky_BBQ]

Why release something as GOLD, knowing that it still has quite a few bugs?

It really does not matter whether they call the next release "GOLD" or RC5.
It is still going to have the same amount of bugs in it. So to make a final product seem more perfect and ready, it should have been scoured painstakingly and relentlessly to fix as many bugs as possible. Why will it make so many people feel so much better if the next release says "Gold" on it? It will still have the same amount of bugs in it. For the developers to release this version labelled as "GOLD" prematurely, just to make certain people happy is rediculous. They might as well go ahead and install the RC5 then.

I have a feeling that many of these people could care less about many of these bugs. They just want the final graphics, whether it is GOLD, RC5, RC6 or whatever.

I personally feel that the dev team should take as long as it takes PERIOD, to kill all the bugs or as many as possible before calling any release GOLD. If that means they need to release RC5, RC6, RC7, and RC8 first, then so be it. I have absolutely no problems waiting for the final GOLD release.

To call a release GOLD, when it should really be RC5 is rediculous. The word GOLD means nothing then. The only reason I can see people pressuring this is because they want the new graphics.

If certain people are close to having their license expire, then I do feel that the vbulletin team should give them all a "raincheck" for the graphics or even the final GOLD version and extend their license another month or 2.

[nwingate]

I think they just need to release the new graphics and most people would shut up.

I mean, I don't care if something is "Gold" or not. Its going to have issues either way. There's a reason the current version of vB is 2.3.4 .... it will one day be vB 3.2.4 I'm sure. All releases have issues.

Ok End Rant (the only one on this subject by the way)

[Zeitgeist]

*Thumbs up* In my opinion, we can close this thread now ;-)

[Marula]

you win ;) - ha-ha - good comeback! :) - What you said is true - I've already called mine RC4 - "Gold" and already I feal elated and a sense of well being....lol


Why release something as GOLD, knowing that it still has quite a few bugs?

It really does not matter whether they call the next release "GOLD" or RC5.
It is still going to have the same amount of bugs in it. So to make a final product seem more perfect and ready, it should have been scoured painstakingly and relentlessly to fix as many bugs as possible. Why will it make so many people feel so much better if the next release says "Gold" on it? It will still have the same amount of bugs in it. For the developers to release this version labelled as "GOLD" prematurely, just to make certain people happy is rediculous. They might as well go ahead and install the RC5 then.

I have a feeling that many of these people could care less about many of these bugs. They just want the final graphics, whether it is GOLD, RC5, RC6 or whatever.

I personally feel that the dev team should take as long as it takes PERIOD, to kill all the bugs or as many as possible before calling any release GOLD. If that means they need to release RC5, RC6, RC7, and RC8 first, then so be it. I have absolutely no problems waiting for the final GOLD release.

To call a release GOLD, when it should really be RC5 is rediculous. The word GOLD means nothing then. The only reason I can see people pressuring this is because they want the new graphics.

If certain people are close to having their license expire, then I do feel that the vbulletin team should give them all a "raincheck" for the graphics or even the final GOLD version and extend their license another month or 2.

[VAYC]

Great said!

[exasko]

this maybe a stupid question but the manual being written.. will that explain how to edit your design to your vbulletin?

[Rocky_BBQ]

I checked out the member area yesterday and was surprised to see that the vb3 rc4 download has been updated as of Saturday, Feb. 21. The file size changed from 1.50 mb to 1.48 mb. I have not seen any announcement from the dev team about any changes or new releases, so what's up with this new release??? I downloaded it anyway.

Usually the dev team announces any changes to the available download for vb3.
I think the last announcement about a fix or change was almost 2 weeks ago.

[Fiji]

Why release something as GOLD, knowing that it still has quite a few bugs?

It really does not matter whether they call the next release "GOLD" or RC5.
It is still going to have the same amount of bugs in it. So to make a final product seem more perfect and ready, it should have been scoured painstakingly and relentlessly to fix as many bugs as possible. Why will it make so many people feel so much better if the next release says "Gold" on it? It will still have the same amount of bugs in it. For the developers to release this version labelled as "GOLD" prematurely, just to make certain people happy is rediculous. They might as well go ahead and install the RC5 then.

I have a feeling that many of these people could care less about many of these bugs. They just want the final graphics, whether it is GOLD, RC5, RC6 or whatever.

I personally feel that the dev team should take as long as it takes PERIOD, to kill all the bugs or as many as possible before calling any release GOLD. If that means they need to release RC5, RC6, RC7, and RC8 first, then so be it. I have absolutely no problems waiting for the final GOLD release.

To call a release GOLD, when it should really be RC5 is rediculous. The word GOLD means nothing then. The only reason I can see people pressuring this is because they want the new graphics.

If certain people are close to having their license expire, then I do feel that the vbulletin team should give them all a "raincheck" for the graphics or even the final GOLD version and extend their license another month or 2.
Agreed... I'm waiting for the news graphics indeed...

For those who complaining that their license may expire before Gold release, I don't see any point in it... The product will be released when it ready, if your license expire just one day before Gold, why didn't you wait for another day before purchased your license?

Jelsoft dont' hold Gold waiting for your licenses expire, they want to release Gold as Gold, not as Silver...

My 2 dongs.

[Feran]

if your license expire just one day before Gold, why didn't you wait for another day before purchased your license?
... um, when we bought our licenses, our psychic powers were off and we didn't know it'd be released a day after it expired. *sighs* I guess that means more electro-shock therapy..


My 2 dongs.
Not even going to ask.. And why you have two I don't even want to begin to think about >.<

Anywho, I've lost all uh, motivation to do anything, so my site is going to die, and Jelsoft can do whatever it wants, knowing that at least Feran doesn't care about their deadlines ^~

[Pirotess]

Anywho, I've lost all uh, motivation to do anything, so my site is going to die, and Jelsoft can do whatever it wants, knowing that at least Feran doesn't care about their deadlines ^~
Hehe using the abnormally long release cycle for vb3 as the reason for your loss of motivation and site dying is a little ludicrous imo. If you have good content to keep your users interested then it doesnt matter if you are on vb2.0.1 or vb3.0.1.

Personally now that we are in RC land I've begun to build up a vb3 based development site that only I can access to practice importing my hacked vb2.3.4 board into to make sure it all goes smoothly when I flick the switch after the new graphics come out.

[Rocky_BBQ]

I checked out the member area yesterday and was surprised to see that the vb3 rc4 download has been updated as of Saturday, Feb. 21. The file size changed from 1.50 mb to 1.48 mb. I have not seen any announcement from the dev team about any changes or new releases, so what's up with this new release??? I downloaded it anyway.

Usually the dev team announces any changes to the available download for vb3.
I think the last announcement about a fix or change was almost 2 weeks ago.
Anybody notice this???

[Marula]

It's probably just a discrepancy from the Downtime over the weekend?!


Anybody notice this???

[Rocky_BBQ]

Then why has the file size changed from 1.50 mb to 1.48 mb? Relatively speaking, that is a big change in size for such a small program.

[Mike Sullivan]

A couple files were removed that weren't supposed to be there in the first place, although they don't do any harm; they're just not usable.

Although the main reason that the "last updated" time changed is because the package had to be rebuilt along with the server.

[Rocky_BBQ]

Thanks Mike,

Can you tell us which files were removed?

[Wayne Luke]

Thanks Mike,

Can you tell us which files were removed?
Files for the vBulletin 2.X import system which is not compatible with vBulletin 3.

[Mike Sullivan]

Thanks Mike,

Can you tell us which files were removed?
Off the top of my head, admincp/importexport.php, admincp/reminder.php, and includes/adminfunctions_importexport.php.

[Rocky_BBQ]

Can't these files also be removed?

vb3_beta3_readme.html, vb3_beta5_readme.html, vb3_beta7_readme.html

or are those still necessary to keep in there?

[Steve Machol]

Yes, you can remove them.

[Rocky_BBQ]

No, I meant could you guys (the devs) remove them permanantly from the package? Seems like all those files say the same thing.

[ChuanSE]

Hello,
I didn't read all 8 pages here...
But is there a possibillity to give my board users the option to choose between new postbit or legacy in their cp?

thx :)

[theXME]

you can add it by doing the following steps:
Create a new profile field


Title: ... (for ex: Layout of Threads)
...
Options:
vB3 Standard
vB2 Standard
Set Default
Yes, but No First Blank Option

Now add the following code to the generel template phpinclude_start


if ($bbuserinfo['x'] == 'vB2 Standard')
{
$vboptions['legacypostbit'] = 1;
}

Replace x with the number of the profile field.
Done ;)

[chas_h]

you can add it by doing the following steps:
Create a new profile field

Now add the following code to the generel template phpinclude_start


if ($bbuserinfo['x'] == 'vB2 Standard')
{
$vboptions['legacypostbit'] = 1;
}

Replace x with the number of the profile field.
Done ;)

Hmmm, tried this exactly as you outlined it here but this does not seem to override the setting made in the Admin cp. Any ideas why??

Chas.

[conqsoft]

Hmmm, tried this exactly as you outlined it here but this does not seem to override the setting made in the Admin cp. Any ideas why??

Chas.

Try adding an ELSE to that IF statement, and put this on the ELSE side:

$vboptions['legacypostbit'] = 0;

[chas_h]

Try adding an ELSE to that IF statement, and put this on the ELSE side:

$vboptions['legacypostbit'] = 0;

Just tried it, no good. Here is what I am using now for 'if' - 'else';

if ($bbuserinfo['5'] == 'vB2 Standard')
{
$vboptions['legacypostbit'] = 1;
}
else
{
$vboptions['legacypostbit'] = 0;
}



Chas.

[Pirotess]

Not sure how the vbulletin guys feel about this stuff but I seem to remember all hacking type stuff belong at vbulletin.org or maybe better yet in a PM thread so they dont have to deal with trying to support someone who says they tried applying something they read here.

[Wayne Luke]

Just tried it, no good. Here is what I am using now for 'if' - 'else';

if ($bbuserinfo['5'] == 'vB2 Standard')
{
$vboptions['legacypostbit'] = 1;
}
else
{
$vboptions['legacypostbit'] = 0;
}



Chas.
Exact instructions are listed in this thread here: http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88171

All discussion about this should be discussed there as this is not a support thread.

[GamerzWorld]

I dont have time to read all 20 pages and the search wasnt helpful in finding answer :P So ill ask even if i am shouted at. When is gold expected to be released?

[Wayne Luke]

I dont have time to read all 20 pages and the search wasnt helpful in finding answer :P So ill ask even if i am shouted at. When is gold expected to be released?
All I can say is watch the announcement forum for status updates.

[Dark_Wizard]

All I can say is watch the announcement forum for status updates.
Hmmm....maybe tomorrow?

[Sam FT]

Hmmm....maybe tomorrow?
I wish...

[GamerzWorld]

Is there any expected date i dont get what you mean >.<

[Blue Steel]

You ain't got the time to read the posts GW, people won't be a***d to answer.Myself included. If you read the posts, all will become clearer.

[Ras Masta]

No, I meant could you guys (the devs) remove them permanantly from the package? Seems like all those files say the same thing.
Maybe they will after the Gold release?

[Fiji]

Hello,
I didn't read all 8 pages here...
But is there a possibillity to give my board users the option to choose between new postbit or legacy in their cp?

thx :)
It's easy...

Creat new 'child' template of legacy-free template... then replace new 'child' template's postbit template with its postbit_legacy template...

Then allow user to choose it as their prefer template :D

It'll do the trick, no need to modify the code.

[Gio Takahashi]

theres another option that doesn't involve creating child templates. go to "How do I" for vB3 forums.

[kerplunk]

Today's the day.

[GamerzWorld]

Finally read all of the posts and i notice the date keeps changing. I doubt we will see Gold for a few weeks more :(

[dwh]

Exact instructions are listed in this thread here: http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88171

All discussion about this should be discussed there as this is not a support thread.
I agree. It just makes this huge thread even harder to read when having to read through the support questions. I bet you folks are swamped but it would be cool if the support posts were split into a new thread in the right forum.

[Ras Masta]

Today's the day.
For what?

[poolking]

For what?
That's what I'm thinking. :D

[Zeitgeist]

That's what I'm thinking. :D
What are you thinking? :-D I'm waiting for a new announcement since weeks...

[kerplunk]

heh ;)

[Ras Masta]

It's only been a week since the last announcement.

[Kwak]

Can't wait until the release of Gold. Going to be doing lot of work and hacks. Hopefully, by the first week of March.

[corsacrazy]

Can't wait until the release of Gold. Going to be doing lot of work and hacks. Hopefully, by the first week of March.
the longer i wait the more im hackin rc4 and thats bad as i wil hav to spend loger updating.

[Ryan Ashbrook]

the longer i wait the more im hackin rc4 and thats bad as i wil hav to spend loger updating.
I finally decided to stop hacking mine. :p

I've had to install and re-install over 10 hacks since RC1. I find it fun for some weird reason. :p

[corsacrazy]

I finally decided to stop hacking mine. :p

I've had to install and re-install over 10 hacks since RC1. I find it fun for some weird reason. :p
its not so fun when you cant remember which hacks and which files were changed :( UNTIL u get a random db error etc

[JAB Creations]

From my educated guess by checking out the Bug tracker forum I must conclude a few things before I would take a nice shot at the duedate we could give ourselves...

35 bug reports awaiting feedback in the first 5 pages of the bug forum.
65 Bogus reports

I saw my own report still awaiting feedback since I have been unable to get to a Mac I was on when I saw an error.

I'm going to be realistic here, end of March AT BEST. Honestly, if the VB team is dedicated to a bug-free release then we'll probally see the R659 come out before VB 3 gold. (Rdram supporting chipset by sis that has no current news and was supposed to be released sooo loooong ago, o well, i don't need to use the 1 GB of rdram sitting around in my bad old mobo).

I am awaiting many things in life right now myself. Tax returns, VB 3.0, the Asus mobo with the R659 chipset, the end of the political terrorist destroying our economy, you know, important stuff. I visit the VB forums pretty much almost daily, and while at work, hourly. Many things I plan on in the future for my site are dependent on the new VB version to come out. Although I will grumble about the non-ending wait the things I want to do absolutely demand stability, and if it means an absolutely bug free release, I don't have to worry about rehacking every single thing I want to do because of some crazy bug found AFTER the fact.

Anyway it would not surprise me if VB came out in April. There's a thought that just hit, VB 3.0 Gold on April 1st, what a cruel joke. Just keep your eyes pealed on the Bug Tracker forum for a nice juicy idea on how the team is dealing with stuff. Although I feel a bit cranky about the wait, I am ultimatly excessively happy about their commitments. Go VB! :p

[Trigunflame]

Why doesnt Vbulletin simply have it stored in CVS to package nightly snapshots labled development or something? That way people could have the latest available copy at all times.

[Littlebit]

Why doesnt Vbulletin simply have it stored in CVS to package nightly snapshots labled development or something? That way people could have the latest available copy at all times.
you mean like Mozilla nightly builds? Oh for criminy! Beta updates are enough for me! :p

[feldon23]

nightly CVS builds are impossible to support and a nightmare for customers.

[Marula]

Well, my license has just run out yesterday! :( - I am a little upset...

[Gio Takahashi]

Oh the horror. Nightly builds? Geez, thats poking for insane amount of work for everyone. Heck no.

[Snowy]

think i will upgrade when it goies final this time :) nice job all the same

[Trigunflame]

Oh the horror. Nightly builds? Geez, thats poking for insane amount of work for everyone. Heck no.
Not insane, snapshots run on cron nightly would be no extra work on part of the developers, as to referring to 'impossible to support' well, technically thats why I suggest for it to labeled development ie ( vb3.dev-*unixtimestamp*.tar.gz ), in which no support would be available.

[gearshifter47]

*waits patiently :(

[Gio Takahashi]

Not insane, snapshots run on cron nightly would be no extra work on part of the developers, as to referring to 'impossible to support' well, technically thats why I suggest for it to labeled development ie ( vb3.dev-*unixtimestamp*.tar.gz ), in which no support would be available.

Not for the developers for DEFINITELY for the customers. Who the hell would want to upgrade their forums on the daily basis?! Also, thats going to make bug tracking VERY difficult, yanno? Thats why we have release candidate, it makes bug tracking easier, and when the developers feel its ready then they make a new update. A nightly snapshot is hard enough. Phpbb2 does this and I don't think they're anywhere NEAR being finished yet.

[Kwak]

*waits patiently :(

Can I join you? :(

[Thomas2485]

Well, my license has just run out yesterday! :( - I am a little upset...

I feel for ya, bro'. It's March now... ah well.

~Tom

[Feran]

Aw geez you guys, if you can afford to pay for vB in the first place, you can spare $30 every year w/out making some lame whining comments on the board saying 'omg my license is going to run out' -.-

[Thomas2485]

Have you ever considered the financial situation fluctuates from one year to another? On another note, there are a lot of people out there who, like me, have to pay more than $30 a year...

[Mirical Bernd]

@Feran: Good point. 30 Dollars are not THAT much, and if you consider how much you have to pay for hosting and the domain itself it's just another part of the budget.

[ria.enigma]

Aw geez you guys, if you can afford to pay for vB in the first place, you can spare $30 every year w/out making some lame whining comments on the board saying 'omg my license is going to run out' -.-
I gotta agree with you there. Though it would be a bummer to have your license expire so soon before the release of the newest version.

[Trigunflame]

Not for the developers for DEFINITELY for the customers. Who the hell would want to upgrade their forums on the daily basis?! Also, thats going to make bug tracking VERY difficult, yanno? Thats why we have release candidate, it makes bug tracking easier, and when the developers feel its ready then they make a new update. A nightly snapshot is hard enough. Phpbb2 does this and I don't think they're anywhere NEAR being finished yet.
Um no one said anything about "updating their forum everyday". I said by releasing snapshots it would allow 'those' who wanted the latest copy to put it up.

Your making it sound like a big deal, look at http://snaps.php.net/ they release a new snapshot every 2 hrs.

Thats Phpbb2, lots of other software work off of hourly/daily snapshots - its surely nothing new.

[JAB Creations]

That 30 dollars is a food incentive for the developers.

Developers + 0 food = fallen over and died developers!

Fallen over and dead developers = No VB 3.0!

So pay yours dues! I pay mine and I don't complain, the quality and workmenship has always seemed to increase.

[Alex]

Would be good to have at least another status update. :confused:

[GamerzWorld]

Would be good to have at least another status update. :confused:

Would be great :rolleyes: and a ETA

[feldon23]

Yes, because Release Dates have always worked so well for vB in the past. :rolleyes:

When it's done!

[Vigile]

I was curious, as I had forgotten when VB3 first started....

Private Beta Test

A private beta test for vB3 began on February 26, 2003.
Curiousity has killed the cat! :D

[SVTBlackLight01]

I was curious, as I had forgotten when VB3 first started....

Curiousity has killed the cat! :DWhere do the years go? :)

[GamerzWorld]

Yes, because Release Dates have always worked so well for vB in the past. :rolleyes:

When it's done!

Least we have some idea so we can sort of plan

[blinking8s]

as long as the final release is very solid, and no serious updates will have to be made, i think its worth the wait...untill then ill just check back here every hour or so to see if its out yet ;) lol

[Areku]

No updates then? No ETAs?

[Interdit]

Let them take a rest it was carnaval...;)

Nice week,

Interdit

[andrew johnson]

well done developers :D

[Zeitgeist]

Sometimes I think most of the developers are on holiday at the moment... :rolleyes: :(

[Pirotess]

Graphics please! Then you can take another year to release Gold I dont really care. RC4 is fine for me other than the old graphics and like I've said before trying to make software bug free is a silly and futile endevor. We're used to the monthly/bimonthly updates from 2.x and 3.x will be no different. Just getting to the point where Im feeling teased and played with because of the insane time between releases. Oh and all you fanbois out there waiting to hit the post button to say quit whining just stuff it Im not interested in hearing it.

[Floris]

Just sit and wait :)

Go play a on-line game and before you know it .. there is gold!

[GamerzWorld]

I want gold before i do anything with my site/forums as gold could change it all

[Pirotess]

So could gold.0.1. The whole idea that gold wont require any updates that will affect someones forums is a farce that got started somewhere in the billion betas and needs to stop. Managing expectations is an integral part of successful software development. Consider this yours. Gold will require patches within a month of release.

[Tungsten]

An update from Kier would be nice, even if to just tell us that development is steadily progressing and that not much lacks between now and Gold. It's been roughly 2 weeks since we last heard from him about the status of things and a lot has happened since then (re: vB server crash).

Kier? Any chance you might give us an update in the interest of good customer relations? :D

[Sam FT]

An update from Kier would be nice, even if to just tell us that development is steadily progressing and that not much lacks between now and Gold. It's been roughly 2 weeks since we last heard from him about the status of things and a lot has happened since then (re: vB server crash).

Kier? Any chance you might give us an update in the interest of good customer relations? :D
I agree. Don't have to give us a date, just give us an update.

[Samira]

I agree. Don't have to give us a date, just give us an update.
I second that.

It figures ... my license expires next week. :( I was hoping to avoid the $30 ... suppose not.

[Kier]

I agree. Don't have to give us a date, just give us an update.
Mmm... Last time I posted an update and didn't include a date there was not much more on the forums than "we want a date"...

[MrNase]

Mmm... Last time I posted an update and didn't include a date there was not much more on the forums than "we want a date"...
well in future there will not be much more on the forums than "we want the release"...

[AZone]

Graphics please!You can use vB2 Graphics Development Kit for majority of graphic elements in vB3 RC4...

[Tungsten]

Mmm... Last time I posted an update and didn't include a date there was not much more on the forums than "we want a date"...
Eh, there are going to be whiners regardless of whether you give an update w/o mentioning dates or don't give an update at all. It's already happening, in fact. ;)

I was just hoping for maybe an update letting us know approximately how much work was left and if there was perhaps even a general timeframe you guys were looking toward. General as in before the end of Q1, sometime in Q2, etc.

More for curiosity's sake than anything else. You never write, you never call... we're worried about you. ;) :D

[Sam FT]

Mmm... Last time I posted an update and didn't include a date there was not much more on the forums than "we want a date"...

Thanks Kier for the quick response. I agree that putting a date on a product is hard on the developers and us customers. And are several here who are "we want the release" or "we want a date". I am in the group where I just like an update. Like what Tungsten state, give us an idea where you guys are at.

[GamerzWorld]

Argggg can we just have some sort of time scale?

[VAN]

This is ridiculous! If you guys don't hurry up and release vB3 Gold, I'll... I'll... well, I'll just wait longer! :D

[Tungsten]

This is ridiculous! If you guys don't hurry up and release vB3 Gold, I'll... I'll... well, I'll just wait longer! :D
That'll show them. ;)

[Esr Tek]

There is also a ton of us patiently waiting for gold and not whining in forums either way.
I frankly just want to know the graphics in RC4 and the method to create a custom theme will *not* be broken upon gold and have to redo theme all over and I'll happily update to RC4 tomorrow.

[Hooper]

I second that.

It figures ... my license expires next week. :( I was hoping to avoid the $30 ... suppose not.
I hear you. I have 5 licenses and the last ones are expiring without vb3 being done.

Hey Kier, can anything be done about this? I think those that have waited patiently for the last .... Well you know, should have the opportunity to at least download it. Supported or not it would be nice to try the gold version.

[gearshifter47]

Its getting pretty restless in this topic, i think imma have to call it a night and leave, and i suggest some of you do the same.. These bartenders are just not gonna serve us any vB untill its cold.

[Marty McFly]

okay...i downloaded the original release of vb3 a few months back, and im sure i missed some instructions somewhere on how to upgrade to the current version, so could someone please point me in that direction? i downloaded the zip to the latest version, but what all do i need to upload to change to the most current release? i looked on my admin cp and it said this:

Your version of vBulletin (3.0.0 Gamma) is up-to-date.

vBulletin v3.0.0 Gamma, Copyright ©2000-2004, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. (http://www.vbulletin.com/)


but i havent upgraded since i got the original release :confused:

[Steve Machol]

There is an HTML file in the zip file explaining how to upgrade. You can also read the RC4 Announcement. If you have any other problems or questions, please start a new thread in the appropriate forum.

[mlin]

The vB developers are purposely delaying its release to milk the most out of your money.

[Zeitgeist]

I can't understand why nothing will happen at the moment. The devs are still present at this topic but they are ignoring our posts. What's with another status update? What's with the "final graphics"? I'll get a little bit angry now...

[Interdit]

It's like if they were in need to be insult to move... lol

Waitting is our only painly solution

Interdit

[Alex]

Maybe they wanna surprise us with gold in April to the 2-years-developing-vb3-now anniversary. :-P

[Marty McFly]

There is an HTML file in the zip file explaining how to upgrade. You can also read the RC4 Announcement. If you have any other problems or questions, please start a new thread in the appropriate forum.
yeah i saw the 4 different html files in the folder...but i didnt see one for gamma. there was:

vb3beta5
vb3beta3
vb3beta7
vb3rc

how do i know which beta i am? my board is: http://www.houstonraves.com/board

[Zeitgeist]

Why don't you upgrade to RC4? It's not that difficult.

[Marty McFly]

Why don't you upgrade to RC4? It's not that difficult.
isn't that what im trying to do here? :confused: i downloaded the latest zip from the members area.

[FASherman]

Mmm... Last time I posted an update and didn't include a date there was not much more on the forums than "we want a date"...
So we should enjoin our chorus of thanks to the posts asking for a date so that you know tha majority were satisfied with the update?

Isn't doing the right thing for the sake of doing the right thing enough?

[Tungsten]

The vB developers are purposely delaying its release to milk the most out of your money.:rolleyes: Whatever...

[Hoffi]

Start your Upgrade Process. It knows which Version you use and starts the fitting Routine.

[Feran]

there was not much more on the forums than "we want a date"...
oh yes, with that sexy female developer that you never tell us about <.<

ugh, i have such bad jokes xP

anywho.. *glares at everyone* you know, the normal development process involves an alpha, a few betas, then one or two RC's. your impatience causes all this craziness x.x;;

vBulletin rocks, vB3 will be released when everything's finalized, and things are pretty good right now. there will always be bugs, so i wonder at what point the vB team will decided it's good enough to be slated final :3

[Zolk]

so i wonder at what point the vB team will decided it's good enough to be slated final :3
Hopefully before I'm eligible for Social Security.

[andrew johnson]

i agree
it good point if development still working like takeing time to fix many bugs etc
i will get one when new VB is out maybe in 2004

[Marty McFly]

Start your Upgrade Process. It knows which Version you use and starts the fitting Routine.

okay...i know this is a stupid question, but how do i start that process? all i have is a zip with files in it. i dont know which readme file to open.

[Zachery]

Marty if your having trouble you should really start your own thread, this is not a support thread.

However, Close your board, backup your files & database, then delete your "Gamma" Files as thats what your on. and upload the RC4 files, Configure config.php and run install/upgrade.php :)

[Marty McFly]

Marty if your having trouble you should really start your own thread, this is not a support thread.

However, Close your board, backup your files & database, then delete your "Gamma" Files as thats what your on. and upload the RC4 files, Configure config.php and run install/upgrade.php :)

im not having that much trouble, its just that i haven't really gotten a straight answer up until now.

but thanks...i think this should do it.

[Steve Machol]

This is not a support thread. To get specific help it's best to start your own thread in the appropriate forum with all the necessary details.

[Regs]

This is not a support thread. To get specific help it's best to start your own thread in the appropriate forum with all the necessary details.So what is the point of this thread now? Why not close it?

~Regs.

[Steve Machol]

Kier posted the point of this thread in his first post. It also stands to reason that in order to help people with individual problems it would be much easier to do this if they posted their own threads in the correct forum. Posting in a discussion thread with hundreds of other posts is not the best way to get help.

[Regs]

Other than the odd new user posting "Good Job Devs" there hasn't been any meaningful "RC4 Released" discussion in days/weeks.

That's my point.

~Regs.

[Steve Machol]

Then don't post here. :) This really has no bearing on the fact that people should start their own threads in the appropriate forum to get help with specific problems.

[Regs]

Then don't post here. :) Believe me, I try not to waste my time here anymore.

I just had a mental lapse.

Continue on with whatever you guys are trying to do.

Cheers,

~Regs.

[Steve Machol]

Hmmm...I'm not sure why this is a point of contention. This is a discussion thread. It was made clear from the beginning that if you need specific help, the best way to do this is to start a new thread in the appropriate forum. This will allow us to concentrate on each specific issue independently. If you post is a discussion thread of this size, your issue may get lost among the hundreds of other posts.

[AZone]

Hmm... Guys, do not argue with DEVs, please - let them do their job... :)

[Gio Takahashi]

Geez man.

This forums is just discussing your opinion on vB3RC4, and just basically talking about anything concernining vB3RC4...to sum it all up. There are like several forums to talk about your errors and troubles. you're never gonna get best support here if you try to seek support.

[dwh]

So what is the point of this thread now? Why not close it?

~Regs.
I'm always amazed at how difficult all these forum owners are with the staff of this forum.

May your own forums contain users as understanding as YOU are when the forum belongs to someone else and YOU are the user.

VB DEVS, you have a lot of silent people watching behind the scenes who support all your efforts and do not enjoy the big mouths giving you a hard time. Keep up the good work.

[advis0r]

Okay so back to discussing RC4 ;-)

Uhm, lol don't mind me but I don't see any major changes. :-P

But good work...

-still waiting for GOLD- hehe

I wish I'd get an email when its finished!!

[13th_Disciple]

well.. Unreal Tournament 2004 went gold yesterday.. i was wondering which would make it first.. at least when i get my SE DVD set, i will have something to keep me occupied until RC5/Gold/RC4 GDK release.. whatever they decide to call it..

[cpprules]

I've been watching this RC4 development for a few weeks now as i've been waiting for some sort of next update or announcement to see where vB stands. I've been looking through the various bulletin board options I have for the site i'm creating, and have decided that vB seems to be the most versitile, and well coded of any of the others.

I've kind of been on hold to see what happens next, but weeks have gone by, and not so much as a word as to whats going on with the development and bug tracking of the new version. I don't care about the graphics at all as i'll have them all custom done, but I am concerned about making sure all the bug fixes are up to date as possible when I start in on this.

Updates for me will be very tedious as I need to rip apart a majority of the boards code to get it to do what I want, and there will be no simple way to upgrade as they put out more up to date versions.

So my question to you board owners is this, Do you feel at RC4's stage that it is fairly bug free and stable? if so i'll just go ahead and get this version of it. If not maybe i'll hold off another week-two and see if these guys are going to post an update..i'm sure they will eventually, its just a matter of when.'

Thanks,

-Dan

[feldon23]

Feb 21st - March 5th is "weeks"?

Who knew!

[Regs]

Most people who can count?

:rolleyes:


Feb 21st - March 5th is "weeks"?

Who knew!

[Sam FT]

It has almost been two weeks....but whatever.

[cpprules]

1 update in weeks? am I wrong? has there been 2? My appologies if there has been, but I think i'm reading the same forums as you guys...try not to be so quick to flame people, and think before you type. I'm looking for information, not simpletons who have nothing better to do then to troll boards.

[Arkham]

1 update in weeks? am I wrong? has there been 2? My appologies if there has been, but I think i'm reading the same forums as you guys...try not to be so quick to flame people, and think before you type. I'm looking for information, not simpletons who have nothing better to do then to troll boards.I'd wait at least three or four weeks before throwing around the word "weeks" -- that is, unless you have nothing better to do that watch your watch's freakin' minute hand.

I've been delaying my entire site waiting for the "Final" version, just as a lot of people have, but man, the closer vB gets to Gold, the more whingers crawl out of the woodwork. Good flippin' gracious jeebus X on a popsicle stick, get over yourselves.

This topic was dead a few pages ago...

[Sam FT]

I'd wait at least three or four weeks before throwing around the word "weeks" -- that is, unless you have nothing better to do that watch you watch's freakin' minute hand.

I've been delaying my entire site waiting for the "Final" version, just as a lot of people have, but man, the closer vB gets to Gold, the more whingers crawl out of the woodwork. Good flippin' gracious jeebus X on a popsicle stick, get over yourselves.

This topic was dead a few pages ago...
Amen to that...

[chas_h]

.....I've been delaying my entire site waiting for the "Final" version, just as a lot of people have, .......
Same here, I spent a ton of time learning how to set up VB3 and add alot of hacks etc that are suggested here and at Vbulletin.org, now I'm holding off until Gold to do my final setup. To do otherwise is possibly asking for alot of work after you upgrade. My site can wait, the sun will still go on rising and setting whether or not we have Gold in our grubby little hands....


.....Good flippin' gracious jeebus X on a popsicle stick, get over yourselves........
That reminds me, has anyone seen that new Mel Gibson movie??? :) (a small joke, no religious flames please.....)

Chas

[JAB Creations]

A lot of unconfirmed and bogus bugs. I think the sand is running out, but not the idiots. :mad:

But anyway, from the last time I looked, I think the VB team is really chipping away at the bug list. Not half as many waiting for replies...

I'd think we're 2-4 weeks from VB Gold.

If I'm wrong, they might release RC5 just to make sure.

I would like to ask everyone to stop posting bogus stuff, or at least take a bloody screen shot if possible of an error you find! That would speed things up if the VB team could get an actual visual on any remaining issues.

Stupid people are eveywhere, plotting our demise, so I accept the fact that there are going to be idiots being immature and trying to delay the release.

I am myself getting anxious, so as long as the other half of the planet doesn't fall off as soon as Gold comes out, I'll feel a great sigh of relief! But anyway, cheers to the VB team as always for their hard work!

[Mirical Bernd]

@Jab: It is very rude to call the ones, who are posting bugs and looking into a beta-software and spending time to it, idiots. Please use some different words.

Of course I would also appreciate when reporting bugs some users would be more efficient. But there are nonetheless users who occupy their time and efforts to post the bugs. Would you prefer, if noone would take the time to post them and you would be using a very buggy software instead?

So please calm down a bit, ok?

[FASherman]

I'd wait at least three or four weeks before throwing around the word "weeks" -- that is, unless you have nothing better to do that watch you watch's freakin' minute hand.
Welcome to the english language. "Weeks" precisely refers to more than one week. Hence, two weeks IS weeks, not week. Your statement is, well, weak. Mr. Webster 1, Arkham 0.


Good flippin' gracious jeebus X on a popsicle stick, get over yourselves.
Physician, heal thyself.

[FASherman]

A lot of unconfirmed and bogus bugs. I think the sand is running out, but not the idiots. :mad:

But anyway, from the last time I looked, I think the VB team is really chipping away at the bug list. Not half as many waiting for replies...

I'd think we're 2-4 weeks from VB Gold.

If I'm wrong, they might release RC5 just to make sure.

I would like to ask everyone to stop posting bogus stuff, or at least take a bloody screen shot if possible of an error you find! That would speed things up if the VB team could get an actual visual on any remaining issues.

Stupid people are eveywhere, plotting our demise, so I accept the fact that there are going to be idiots being immature and trying to delay the release.

I am myself getting anxious, so as long as the other half of the planet doesn't fall off as soon as Gold comes out, I'll feel a great sigh of relief! But anyway, cheers to the VB team as always for their hard work!
Folks are submitting bug reports just to delay the release? Wow!

Do you were a tinfoil hat to shield you from alien mind control rays too?

Are you always on the watch for silent black UN helicopters?

Do you believe the moon landings were faked in a hollywood studio?

Conspiracy theories abound!

[Arkham]

That reminds me, has anyone seen that new Mel Gibson movie??? :) (a small joke, no religious flames please.....)

<Homer> "Save me Jeebus!"

[Arkham]

Welcome to the English language. "Weeks" precisely refers to more than one week. Hence, two weeks IS weeks, not week. Your statement is, well, weak. Mr. Webster 1, Arkham 0.
Oh you knew exactly what I meant. A reasonable person doesn't start crying about 'weeks' the second it hits 2 weeks. The same goes for "a few weeks" versus "a couple". There's enough overstatement going around as it is.

The Webster crack lacks bite. Webster's is rife with errors, like "colOr", "realiZe", etc... ;) Now... OED would've upset me. Maybe NeonKnight wrote that post? ;))

[Arkham]

Same here, I spent a ton of time learning how to set up VB3 and add alot of hacks etc that are suggested here and at Vbulletin.org, now I'm holding off until Gold to do my final setup. To do otherwise is possibly asking for alot of work after you upgrade. My site can wait, the sun will still go on rising and setting whether or not we have Gold in our grubby little hands....
Ah, exactly. I have to get something online in a usable format before I can finalise my trademark registration. April's the deadline for the final payment, so I'm cobbling things together as best I can without really changing the templates.

But, hey, I've waited this long... Another few weeks really won't matter. I take full responsibility for the delay. I could always have used 2.x... Y'know? The only full version everyone paid for. ;)

[SaN-DeeP]

I AM IN FOR RC4 NOW :)
happy REGISTERED USER TODAY :)
Testing if my account is activated.
please delete this post later ;)

[Arkham]

I AM IN FOR RC4 NOW :)
happy REGISTERED USER TODAY :)
Testing if my account is activated.
please delete this post later ;)
Welcome to the fold, San-deep.

[wacnstac]

Yawn,... yes this is getting very tiresome. Release the graphics .pdf files so we can at least move on with RC4 in our production environments.

[Lurk]

Is there going to be a RC5? or is the next version the gold version?
I can't wait to upgrade my forums!
http://forum.lurkcorp.com

[Mirical Bernd]

Yawn,... yes this is getting very tiresome. Release the graphics .pdf files so we can at least move on with RC4 in our production environments.
PDFs wouldn't be much of use... PSDs would be better :D

[azmi]

I AM IN FOR RC4 NOW :)
happy REGISTERED USER TODAY :)
Testing if my account is activated.
please delete this post later ;)
registered today?
with luck, you can get the final before you pay for the next year account. :D

[Zeitgeist]

registered today?
with luck, you can get the final before you pay for the next year account. :D
I'm not really sure of that, azmi :D

[wacnstac]

PDFs wouldn't be much of use... PSDs would be better :D
You are right, PSD's much better. Bring em on.

[Interdit]

18/02/2004 TO 8/03/2004, without any update about the statut of dev ?

Hello, this is earth, Jelsoft do you copy ?

Best Regards,

Francois

[Zedd]

let me help everyone and not take up any of jelsofts time.

This is what a stauts update by Kier would most likely look like.

We are not done yet.

We are working very hard

Making great progress on the owners manual.

New graphics done, but you are not going to see them til a gold release

To see our progress look at the bug tracker.

IT will be done when it is done.

See there you go. A status update

(please note that I do not work for jelsoft and no I do not have any inside info, but I do have common sense)

[wacnstac]

So we have to wait year to get graphics?

[Areku]

I think the initial question to the last 15 posts was... IS RC4 stable/bugs free enough to launch a site with it UNTIL Gold comes out? ;)

[Floris]

So we have to wait year to get graphics?
Graphics
Graphic Development Kit
Main Site Upgrade
Forum Setup Upgrade
Staff Training
Documentation
Support Desk Update
other behind the scene things that require to get upgraded in order to provide proper support and information to the end-user.

Check the documentation on vb2
vb3 should at least double that. Not something you write in 12 hours.

[Arjan321]

I think the initial question to the last 15 posts was... IS RC4 stable/bugs free enough to launch a site with it UNTIL Gold comes out? ;)yes, it is, definitely :)

[good2laugh]

LOL, wow, had to resort to cursing already?

Jelsoft has already said they would not release the new graphics til gold. So that is a fact, yet people keep asking forthe new graphics everyday.

Jelsoft says in everyone of their updates to keep an eye on the bug tracker to see how much they have left to do. Fact.

We all know they will not give a specific date to far in advance because if they can not meet it, peopel bitch at them. Fact

They have said many times in the past that it will be done, when it is done. Fact.

So I did have facts. Just not the ones you wanted to hear.
When did Jelsoft say this? When the last update happened I asked about graphics, and Kier responded with something on the lines of, "he intended to release the graphics before gold" (that is not word for word but I'm not looking thru 28 pages) - so did this change and if so where exactly? As for us wanting updates - too right, why shouldn't we get the occasional update, you will more likely pacify people with a status report than just have delays all the time - Oct I renewed I had no intention of but was under the impression (wrongly it seemed) that VB3 was near completion 5 months later I'm no better off - don't get me wrong I'm not complaining about waiting, but I am irked by irregular updates and comments saying we shouldn't ask for an update.

[Zedd]

When did Jelsoft say this? When the last update happened I asked about graphics, and Kier responded with something on the lines of, "he intended to release the graphics before gold" .
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95740

3. The new images are receiving their final polish, and work on a vB3 Graphics Developer Kit will begin once they are finalized. This will be available as part of the vBulletin 3 manual, which will be released along with 3.0.0 'Gold'.

[good2laugh]

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95740

3. The new images are receiving their final polish, and work on a vB3 Graphics Developer Kit will begin once they are finalized. This will be available as part of the vBulletin 3 manual, which will be released along with 3.0.0 'Gold'.
Well I'm reading that totally different from you because of the comma, I'm reading that the the GDK will be available with gold.. also the fact Kier DID SAY, the images will be released before gold.

[good2laugh]

Further to my post - I did go back thru the messages and if you look on page 15
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94580&page=16&pp=15 (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94580&page=16&pp=15)
I asked for clarification here's my post.
"Thank you for the update.
Can I just get clarification of what Kier said in regard to the images. They are being polished.... Does this mean that it will be unlikely we will get them before gold, or is there a chance we might. I realise the graphic kit goes out with gold but I'm not interested in that, just the images. Thanks for clarifying."

To which Kier replied:
The images are very close now. I intend to release them before Gold.

[Tungsten]

Who really cares what Kier said, even if the things he has said were contradictory to one another? The bottom line is that what Jelsoft has said about vB3 development milestones has proven to be completely arbitrary and open-ended over time.

I suspect that the only accurate statement that can made by anyone regarding the GDK or vB3 itself is that they will be available when they are made available and not a moment sooner.

Yes it sucks but that's just the life we lead as voluntary participants in the vB3 development process. Until the product is released as gold and ursurps 2.x as the official "for purchase" version of vBulletin, none of us has a leg to stand on when making demands of Jelsoft. We are completely and utterly at their mercy.

[Sam FT]

We are completely and utterly at their mercy.

Isn't that the truth.

[good2laugh]

Who really cares what Kier said, even if the things he has said were contradictory to one another? The bottom line is that what Jelsoft has said about vB3 development milestones has proven to be completely arbitrary and open-ended over time.

I suspect that the only accurate statement that can made by anyone regarding the GDK or vB3 itself is that they will be available when they are made available and not a moment sooner.

Yes it sucks but that's just the life we lead as voluntary participants in the vB3 development process. Until the product is released as gold and ursurps 2.x as the official "for purchase" version of vBulletin, none of us has a leg to stand on when making demands of Jelsoft. We are completely and utterly at their mercy.
Did I say I "cared" All I seem to recall asking was about the images, my post was in response to someone who said the images weren't going to be available until gold, I simply pointed out what Kier had said. And I do "care" what he says, as he is the guy doing a stack of work and giving out info. I also did not say anything sucked, nor did I make any demands, nothing wrong with anything I posted.

I don't really know if you're post was aimed at me, but if it was for the record: like others I've paid for a subscription, like others I've tried VB3 (fully aware its not supported) if I find a bug I'll report it, and that to me gives me the right to ASK for an update occasionally - the same right as you have to NOT ask for an update and the same right Kier has NOT to post one. These threads always end up the same, people telling others (not always kindly) not to do/ask something, rarely have I seen actual discussions happening :(

[Hooper]

Until the product is released as gold and ursurps 2.x as the official "for purchase" version of vBulletin, none of us has a leg to stand on when making demands of Jelsoft. We are completely and utterly at their mercy.

"completely and utterly at their mercy"?

Ughm...no. Are we talking about a deity or a forum script?

[exasko]

I don't really know if you're post was aimed at me, but if it was for the record: like others I've paid for a subscription, like others I've tried VB3 (fully aware its not supported) if I find a bug I'll report it, and that to me gives me the right to ASK for an update occasionally - the same right as you have to NOT ask for an update and the same right Kier has NOT to post one. These threads always end up the same, people telling others (not always kindly) not to do/ask something, rarely have I seen actual discussions happening :(
I agree, if you pay for a product you should have the right to ask how the progess is coming every now and then. I don't think updates every day is a must, but weekly updates I think would sovle this problem. At the latest every two weeks they should post updates on there progess.. that is of course just my opinion.

[Zedd]

Further to my post - I did go back thru the messages and if you look on page 15
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94580&page=16&pp=15 (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94580&page=16&pp=15)
I asked for clarification here's my post.
"Thank you for the update.
Can I just get clarification of what Kier said in regard to the images. They are being polished.... Does this mean that it will be unlikely we will get them before gold, or is there a chance we might. I realise the graphic kit goes out with gold but I'm not interested in that, just the images. Thanks for clarifying."

To which Kier replied:
The images are very close now. I intend to release them before Gold.
I stand corrected.

[Arkham]

"completely and utterly at their mercy"?

Ughm...no. Are we talking about a deity or a forum script?
Smite! Smite!

http://arkham.solaristech.com/smite2.jpg

[Tungsten]

Did I say I "cared" All I seem to recall asking was about the images, my post was in response to someone who said the images weren't going to be available until gold, I simply pointed out what Kier had said. And I do "care" what he says, as he is the guy doing a stack of work and giving out info. I also did not say anything sucked, nor did I make any demands, nothing wrong with anything I posted.

I don't really know if you're post was aimed at me, but if it was for the record: like others I've paid for a subscription, like others I've tried VB3 (fully aware its not supported) if I find a bug I'll report it, and that to me gives me the right to ASK for an update occasionally - the same right as you have to NOT ask for an update and the same right Kier has NOT to post one. These threads always end up the same, people telling others (not always kindly) not to do/ask something, rarely have I seen actual discussions happening :(
No, these threads always end up with a bunch of finger pointing and "he said, she said" statements from the constituents of the peanut gallery. Every day some imbecile asks if it's time for vB3 to be released yet, and every day the answer remains the same. Namely, if it were time, don't you think it'd be available for downlod?

I'm quickly joining the ranks of chronic pessimists (or maybe it's realists) like FASherman who dread the drama and just want to know what the hell the status is.

Would it be nice if Jelsoft posted a status update weekly? Absolutely. Bi-weekly? Anything's better than nothing! But what we generally get is a bunch of the latter (nothing) and the electronic equivalent of dumb looks from the powers that be whenever we ask for status updates.

Fact of the matter is that we shouldn't have to ask for status updates anyway. It'd be nice if they were given on a regular basis by Jelsoft's own free will. :rolleyes:

My point was that the "Kier said this" vs. "No, Kier said that" nonsense is just absolutely ridiculous. It's as if people are trying to hold Jelsoft accountable to something that someone said when they have proven time and time again that anything said is completely open ended, subject to change without notice and more than we deserve in the first place.

Sadly, I can see WHY the developers have taken this stance too. It's a no-win situation for anyone involved. Us or them. They make a statement and you have a dozen rabid, foaming at the mouth geeks demanding that it be held to religiously.

Screw it. The whole situation annoys me and I was in a better mood to discuss it earlier than I am now. Just ignore what I've said and go back to doing whatever it was you were all doing before I foolishly spoke my mind.

[Tungsten]

"completely and utterly at their mercy"?

Ughm...no. Are we talking about a deity or a forum script?
The way some of the melodrama runs around here, you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference.

[Sam FT]

The way some of the melodrama runs around here, you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference.

I just like reading all the posts, it is almost like a soap opera around here. Everybody is over the top.

[Arkham]

The way some of the melodrama runs around here, you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference.
Ah-HA. This explains everything!

http://arkham.solaristech.com/smitetat.jpg

[paddysplace]

I think I'll agree with Tungsten...

Being a PHP/MySQL developer myself, I can truthfully say that vBulletin is the most complex and the most well-designed web application I have ever seen. The thousands of hours spent on this project just blow my mind! When it comes to purchasing vBulletin, I'd have to say it's the best investment I've ever made.

However, with all praise comes a suggestion or two. vBulletin 3.0.0 is really turning out better than I think any of us could have ever imagined. I have no problem waiting while the team devotes itself to bringing it to it's full potential. I do, however, feel that we could use many more updates. I feel that we only get updates on the status in 2 situations. The first situation is when there is a new Release (usually about 1 to 3 month intervals if I recall correctly.) Second is when it has been weeks since the last announcement and the sheer annoyance of the forum users brings Kier and the team to post just to shut us up.

I'd have to say that even the RC releases of vB3 far surpass every other forum software out there, however, for us anxiously waiting this release, we would really like to see a few more updates from the team. We are very excited to see this develop, and would just like a bone thrown to us every now and then to keep us at bay. We realize the vBulletin Team is very busy during development, but even spending 2 minutes every Friday or so would bring a much better atmosphere and understanding between the vBulletin community.

The above paragraphs are just my opinions and thoughts on this, I realized I seemed to try and speak for the community, however, I understand that I may be alone and going out on a limb. Please, no flaming.

Regards,
Patrick

[Tungsten]

Well said, Patrick.

[Feran]

Well Patty, also remember that it's that time of the year again, and some vB developers might be busy with midterms, term papers, finals, etc. for college/university.

Second, what more updates do you really need? vB3 is pretty much fully functional and can be deployed at your leisure.

As far as I'm concerned, vB3 is pretty much done now. They're just working out the quirks.

[FASherman]

Well Patty, also remember that it's that time of the year again, and some vB developers might be busy with midterms, term papers, finals, etc. for college/university.

Second, what more updates do you really need? vB3 is pretty much fully functional and can be deployed at your leisure.

As far as I'm concerned, vB3 is pretty much done now. They're just working out the quirks.
But it is NOT given technical support. That means its not ready for prime time.

No support, no production environment.

End of story.

[SVTBlackLight01]

but even spending 2 minutes every Friday or so would bring a much better atmosphere and understanding between the vBulletin community.I couldn't agree more.

[paddysplace]

Thanks for your comments. The type of updates I'd really like to hear are things like Kier just saying "This week we've finished working out the following bugs:... vBulletin documentation is about 80% done, we are still finishing documentation on the template system, and the GDK is nearly done, we are just checking to make sure we have everything covered before wrapping it up".

Right now all of that is just being categorized as as Feran said, "quirks". This gives us no information, months ago you could've said they're just working out quirks. I'd just really like to feel as if we're not being left out of the loop, instead of seeing how many different ways you can say "just working on a few things", how about the vBulletin team just tell us what theyre doing?

And yes, I realize it is that time of year. I am lucky that my exams are right before Christmas, I am currently finishing up a few developments and can understand how things like that really impede performance and timeframes.

Regards,
Patrick

[shaffer]

Why do I have to click on a "Quick reply icon" in order to use the quick reply box? Why can't a user simply click in the box or on the text "Please click one of the Quick Reply icons in the posts above to activate Quick Reply." for it to work?

[PitchouneN64ngc]

Why do I have to click on a "Quick reply icon" in order to use the quick reply box? Why can't a user simply click in the box or on the text "Please click one of the Quick Reply icons in the posts above to activate Quick Reply." for it to work?
Because if you allow users to reply without to click on a "Quick reply" icon, posts into threaded mode (ordered by date of post) will not be ordered like linear mode and you can choose to reply especially to a post. After replying, into the same mode (threaded), you can see you have replied to the selected post.

[MrNase]

Thanks for your comments. The type of updates I'd really like to hear are things like Kier just saying "This week we've finished working out the following bugs:... vBulletin documentation is about 80% done, we are still finishing documentation on the template system, and the GDK is nearly done, we are just checking to make sure we have everything covered before wrapping it up".

Right now all of that is just being categorized as as Feran said, "quirks". This gives us no information, months ago you could've said they're just working out quirks. I'd just really like to feel as if we're not being left out of the loop, instead of seeing how many different ways you can say "just working on a few things", how about the vBulletin team just tell us what theyre doing?

And yes, I realize it is that time of year. I am lucky that my exams are right before Christmas, I am currently finishing up a few developments and can understand how things like that really impede performance and timeframes.

Regards,
Patrick
i totally agree :)

[Alex]

No, these threads always end up with a bunch of finger pointing and "he said, she said" statements from the constituents of the peanut gallery. Every day some imbecile asks if it's time for vB3 to be released yet, and every day the answer remains the same. Namely, if it were time, don't you think it'd be available for downlod?

I'm quickly joining the ranks of chronic pessimists (or maybe it's realists) like FASherman who dread the drama and just want to know what the hell the status is.

Would it be nice if Jelsoft posted a status update weekly? Absolutely. Bi-weekly? Anything's better than nothing! But what we generally get is a bunch of the latter (nothing) and the electronic equivalent of dumb looks from the powers that be whenever we ask for status updates.

Fact of the matter is that we shouldn't have to ask for status updates anyway. It'd be nice if they were given on a regular basis by Jelsoft's own free will. :rolleyes:

My point was that the "Kier said this" vs. "No, Kier said that" nonsense is just absolutely ridiculous. It's as if people are trying to hold Jelsoft accountable to something that someone said when they have proven time and time again that anything said is completely open ended, subject to change without notice and more than we deserve in the first place.

Sadly, I can see WHY the developers have taken this stance too. It's a no-win situation for anyone involved. Us or them. They make a statement and you have a dozen rabid, foaming at the mouth geeks demanding that it be held to religiously.

Screw it. The whole situation annoys me and I was in a better mood to discuss it earlier than I am now. Just ignore what I've said and go back to doing whatever it was you were all doing before I foolishly spoke my mind.
You speak out loud, what I am thinking. Thank you!

[good2laugh]

No, these threads always end up with a bunch of finger pointing and "he said, she said" statements from the constituents of the peanut gallery. Every day some imbecile asks if it's time for vB3 to be released yet, and every day the answer remains the same. Namely, if it were time, don't you think it'd be available for downlod?

I'm quickly joining the ranks of chronic pessimists (or maybe it's realists) like FASherman who dread the drama and just want to know what the hell the status is.

Would it be nice if Jelsoft posted a status update weekly? Absolutely. Bi-weekly? Anything's better than nothing! But what we generally get is a bunch of the latter (nothing) and the electronic equivalent of dumb looks from the powers that be whenever we ask for status updates.

Fact of the matter is that we shouldn't have to ask for status updates anyway. It'd be nice if they were given on a regular basis by Jelsoft's own free will. :rolleyes:

My point was that the "Kier said this" vs. "No, Kier said that" nonsense is just absolutely ridiculous. It's as if people are trying to hold Jelsoft accountable to something that someone said when they have proven time and time again that anything said is completely open ended, subject to change without notice and more than we deserve in the first place.

Sadly, I can see WHY the developers have taken this stance too. It's a no-win situation for anyone involved. Us or them. They make a statement and you have a dozen rabid, foaming at the mouth geeks demanding that it be held to religiously.

Screw it. The whole situation annoys me and I was in a better mood to discuss it earlier than I am now. Just ignore what I've said and go back to doing whatever it was you were all doing before I foolishly spoke my mind.
It is all frustrating because it is taking an incredibly long time, (or so it seems to me - but then I'm a non-coder and haven't a clue about the processes involved so maybe the time is acceptable). :) I also know its frustrating for many people that us non-coders and less experienced ask questions that have been asked a dozen or more times - or ask in the wrong place. Sometimes members calmly point this out, but other times people are very sarcastic and very short. But whoever your post was aimed at or not aimed at could I ask if there is a way you might consider not using such derogatory terms - such as "peanut gallery" "some imbecile" I'm not after starting an argument or anything negative, and I'm sure many of us are guilty of this kind of indiscretion so its not just aimed at you, but it is just a polite request to use different language or for us all to be more tolerant of each other. :)

[Silver_2000]

Perhaps they are shying away from updates due to the frequency with which the children here are energized by the announcement and start tearing apart every word in the announcement....

Just my $0.02

[good2laugh]

Perhaps they are shying away from updates due to the frequency with which the children here are energized by the announcement and start tearing apart every word in the announcement....

Just my $0.02
Or shying away because of posts like this maybe? ;)
just my $0.02

Never understand why some threads get closed and others which are clearly either attempts to belittle or stir are left open. ...

well my VB installation is running very well no problems at all - oops sorry thought for a moment it was a discussion thread on VB mebad! ;)

[Pirotess]

Perhaps they are shying away from updates due to the frequency with which the children here are energized by the announcement and start tearing apart every word in the announcement....

Just my $0.02Or perhaps because they have no policies and procedures and desperately need them. Managing expectations is of prime concern on any project as is ample communication. It takes 5 minutes to post a status update when you are as close to a project as Kier is and in tight communication with his team members as he should be. Five minutes a week over the course of a year+ of development is like .00001% of his time so its not like it would be taking him away from getting the product out the door any quicker.

Honestly I've only posted a handful of times that Im annoyed at the length of time this project is taking but know that I wouldnt have posted at all with a weekly status message where I could have seen any degree of progress.

[13th_Disciple]

Everyone says it's that time of the year and all, and while I am not here to generate or get involved in any fluff, so to speak, may I also remind you that this isn't a school kids work. If it is, I wouldn't have paid a comapny for an application.

For instance, if I go to college at night, it's on me. I can see me coming in one morning, after a disaster here at work, my boss asking where the last full back-ups for the servers are, then me telling him that I was busy with school because it's that time of year and had no time for updates/ back-ups.

That part of this whole conversation doesn't make sense. If a company chooses to write software/ web applications that have to be paid for, school is not an excuse anymore. Supporting paying customers is. While I am not here to encourage or discourage open debate or communication, I will say that the school remark was invalid about tests/finals/whatever.

I also would like an update on status as I am holding off any development of anything I am doing based specifically on the GOLD release of vB3. At the same time, I just have to wait. However, being a paying customer, it is only right to expect a company to update it's status on a regular basis. I have to do so in my job. Is there any less of a standard just because you can't face to face with Jelsoft? The answer is no.

The people that foot the bill do have a say, or they go somewhere else. That is just a given in any aspect of life. I like vB far too much to leave for any other forums based software, but I do expect updates from time to time. As I am sure that Jelsoft is aware expectations are what they have to answer for.

Please, I only offer my opinion. Not something where I need to hear that I too am an imbecile, dumb, stupid, need to stfu, or anything else. I am solely responsible for my thoughts, my decisions, and I have no one to answer for me or answer to except myself and the people that foot the bill. Which is me and Boeing. Sorry if anyone found my thoughts offensive or downright obnoxious.

[paddysplace]

Everyone says it's that time of the year and all, and while I am not here to generate or get involved in any fluff, so to speak, may I also remind you that this isn't a school kids work. If it is, I wouldn't have paid a comapny for an application.

...

That part of this whole conversation doesn't make sense. If a company chooses to write software/ web applications that have to be paid for, school is not an excuse anymore. Supporting paying customers is. While I am not here to encourage or discourage open debate or communication, I will say that the school remark was invalid about tests/finals/whatever.

I thoroughly agree with this statement. While I know that some people in colllege are capable of a very high level of programming (Freddie is in college I believe?) it shouldn't be an excuse for delaying a project. It's one of those "You may be young and talented, but if you can't handle the work and responsibilty, you're not ready to work".

Just my 2 cents, I'm trying to keep very civilized in this entire discussion :)

Regards,
Patrick

[Tungsten]

I would like to point out that all of our beating against the air these past few days has resulted in absolutely NOTHING from the Jelsoft camp. No update, no announcements... nothing. I'm going to save my breath in the future.

[paddysplace]

Tungsten,

While I agree it is very dissapointing that there has been nothing from the vBulletin Team, I don't think I'm going to keep quiet... Nothing gets done if you just sit back and let yourself be taken. (Ever seen the movie "Office Space"? "Excuse me, I think... I think you have my stapler...")

Regards,
Patrick

[conqsoft]

Due to all the whiners, I hope they delay the release another 6 months. :)

[Nombie Wan]

http://www.vbulletin.org




The board is currently closed for maintenance reasons. (You can think of what that means ;))


I smell gold. :D

[ria.enigma]

Ya know, I gotta admit - I ran here as soon as I read that too lol. Good to know that im not the only person who got that impression.

[PitchouneN64ngc]

http://www.vbulletin.org (http://www.vbulletin.org/)

I smell gold. :D
And no :D See the footer, they're passed to Release Candidate 4 :)

[Nombie Wan]

And no :D See the footer, they're passed to Release Candidate 4 :)
Were they still on RC3? If so nevermind.

[Memnoch-NMX-]

Yes, they were still on RC3. vBulletinTemplates.com was as well. Both sites are now running RC4 though.

[ria.enigma]

darn, there went my erec....well, you know how it goes, lol.

[Steve Machol]

Due to all the whiners, I hope they delay the release another 6 months. :)
Please stop the name-calling. It's uncalled for and unproductive.

[Sam FT]

I am surprised that this thread hadn't been closed by now.

[paddysplace]

Well Sam,

Until the last few posts, I feel we had held a very civilized conversation...

Regards,
Patrick

[conqsoft]

Please stop the name-calling. It's uncalled for and unproductive.

After reading the contents of this thread, you're saying MY comment is unproductive? :confused:

If that's the case, you have a lot more replies to make. ;)

[Floris]

I rather use this thread to discuss the RC4 release, instead of replying to wild guesses and comments of no relevance.

[dahamsta]

At this stage I'm fully convinced that Duke Nukem Forever (http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,61935,00.html) will be out before vBulletin 3. The length of time it's taking to get this thing out the door should be embrassing to Jelsoft. What's it been now, a year? A year and a half? Just release the damn thing and stop pissing us about FFS.

adam

[Marula]

I agree...we've all had our say...lets discuss the topic at hand; vBulletin 3 RC4 Released - Discuss...

[shaffer]

Because if you allow users to reply without to click on a "Quick reply" icon, posts into threaded mode (ordered by date of post) will not be ordered like linear mode and you can choose to reply especially to a post. After replying, into the same mode (threaded), you can see you have replied to the selected post.
I understand that, however if someone chooses simply to "Quick reply" at the end of the post, they are foced to go back up and click on one of the buttons. They should be able to have that option. It makes it easier for them.

Thanks,
Jerry

[Feran]

Most companies don't give a damn about what their customers say about release dates.

It's the truth. You think on any other software projects the clients say, "WHY ARE YOU TAKING SO LONG WITH THE NEWEST VERSION OF THE PRODUCT?!"

The fact of the matter is that there exists a stable, complete version of vBulletin out there. vBulletin 2.3.4 is complete, it is final, it is done. As it exists, you have no right to complain.

You paid for vBulletin, you got vBulletin. There's a stable, final release. You do not rush developers to create new versions of their software. Such things are unheard of.

Do you go up to Microsoft and demand, "WHERE IS LONGHORN? WHERE'S ASP.NET VERSION 3.5.6?!?"

End of argument.

If you're going to bitch to Jelsoft, I want you to bitch at the developers of every software on your system for new versions of it. Go up to Bioware and demand they release a new DnD engine, or go up to Slackware and demand they release version 10.0.

Why are you discriminating against Jelsoft? Because they're nice, and you're taking advantage of that. You should be ashamed.

vB3 will come out when it comes out. You didn't pay for vB3, you paid for vBulletin. There is a stable, final release of vBulletin out, still supported, still functional, still with hacks.

Stop being jerks. I mean.. jesus christ, you people act like I should go up to the Trillian developers on THEIR FORUMS, and DEMAND that they release version 3.0. You have no right to complain, you really don't. It was your choice to use developmental, unstable software that is still in testing. You paid for vBulletin, however, and you have a vBulletin available. You see the new software and are anxious for it to be released, but you honestly have no right to rush them. At all.

[spence]

It seems these discussions regarding the release candidates usually end up being a bickering spot for those who are disgruntled with waiting for the "Gold" release and those who feel the need to defend Jelsoft.

Why? Because, really, what is there to discuss?

What is it that the "whiners" wish to know besides a definitive release date for the vB3?

And what is that the defenders have to reply besides, "...when it's ready. Stop whining!"

Perhaps I can save a little bandwidth here by once and for all summarizing:

MOST OF US: "I'm tired of waiting."
DEFENDERS: "Oh, shut up."

[spence]

You know, the quickest way for Jelsoft (or either of us) to find out how the majority of their customers feel is to poll us.

Why don't they?

"Oh, shut up!"

[qoolventure]

I'm tired of waiting as well, didnt keep track of the gold release status for quite some time already, coz i've decided to postphone my development work for a few months, and cross my fingers my new RC4 board can wait for that long :-)

I think if you were waiting, definately will fell tired some time..... but i think not many ppl are complaining, coz bug free gold release really mean alot to most of us.



It seems these discussions regarding the release candidates usually end up being a bickering spot for those who are disgruntled with waiting for the "Gold" release and those who feel the need to defend Jelsoft.

Why? Because, really, what is there to discuss?

What is it that the "whiners" wish to know besides a definitive release date for the vB3?

And what is that the defenders have to reply besides, "...when it's ready. Stop whining!"

Perhaps I can save a little bandwidth here by once and for all summarizing:

MOST OF US: "I'm tired of waiting."
DEFENDERS: "Oh, shut up."

[Steve Machol]

I really don't want to close this thread. Feedback is important. However I will ask one last time for people to stop the name-calling. Please try to discuss your differences of opinion without resorting to such tactics. Thanks for cooperating.

[Tungsten]

Stop being jerks. I mean.. jesus christ, you people act like I should go up to the Trillian developers on THEIR FORUMS, and DEMAND that they release version 3.0. You have no right to complain, you really don't. It was your choice to use developmental, unstable software that is still in testing. You paid for vBulletin, however, and you have a vBulletin available. You see the new software and are anxious for it to be released, but you honestly have no right to rush them. At all.
Here, you seem to have something on your nose...

http://www.kleenex.com/us/products/everyday/images/upright/M_white.jpg

[Kyrnel]

I think alot of you are missing the point here.
Certainly no one is entitled to vB3 Gold who paid for vB2.

However, Jelsoft has made numerous statements that led to an expectation that is not being met. People have a right to be upset. Not because they did not get what they paid for, but because they did not get what they were led to believe.

Comparing Jelsoft to other software companies is only partially relevant. Certainly passing release dates is more the norm than the exception, but most of those other companies do SOMETHING to minimize the damage to thier reputation. They make a public statements and keep people aprised of the progress. Or they follow the cardinal rule of software and they NEVER make statements as to how long a new version will take.

When you break that rule, you owe at least an explanation and progress report to those who you led on with misleading statements.
I think most everyone is willing to forgive bad completion estimates if they are, at least, kept apprised of what is going on.

[Pirotess]

Feran:

Perhaps you just skimmed the last 15 pages of this thread or so but the majority of us (even the ones who have demanded the GOLD or the images) would be happy with just some simple status updates so we know progress is being made. Your examples with Windows Longhorn and Trillian dont hold any water since I have seen people do exactly that on both of their forums. Theres even a 300 reply thread about Trillian 3.0 in their member section with some similarities to this thread. :) The differences there is MS just doesnt give a damn since they are so big and Cerulean Studios hasnt had 3.0 in development for over a year.

[Feran]

Rofl xP then that's really sad. The human race is pathetic.

Status updates? What if they haven't done anything? :p What if that's why there's no updates? <.<

You want them to publicize that?

We are not owed a vB3.0.0 because vB2 is done, final, stable, released.

[Lore]

Soooo...what does everyone think of VB3 RC4 release?

[Pirotess]

Rofl xP then that's really sad. The human race is pathetic.

Status updates? What if they haven't done anything? :p What if that's why there's no updates? <.<

You want them to publicize that?

We are not owed a vB3.0.0 because vB2 is done, final, stable, released.
Actually yes I would want them to publicize that even though I would be exceptionally suprised if that were the case. Either way it would show an integrity that would tend to foster insane customer loyalty.

Your mantra about not being owed VB3 is boring and wasted on our ears. Everyone here is well aware we arent owed VB3 but whats up for debate is if we are owed regular status updates. Feel free to comment on that.

[Arkham]

Round and round we go...


http://arkham.solaristech.com/oroborus.gif

[Steve Machol]

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97354

[Sam FT]

Finally my prayers have been answered!!!!

[Fibe]

weeeeeeeeeeee

[Marula]

brilliant guys! just bloody brilliant! - Short and sweet update - the finale' :) :) :)

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97354

[Feran]

I like Pirotess :p

*dances* yay vB3 Gold! ^^

[Zeitgeist]

Yeah! Strike!! :D

[gearshifter47]

the funny thing is.. when its next week, all newcomers are going to see that Status update as the week after next week :P

[MrNase]

the funny thing is.. when its next week, all newcomers are going to see that Status update as the week after next week :P
hey, that's right... Kier... Have you considered this ;) :D

[VAN]

vBulletin 3.0.0 'Gold' will be released late next week.

Understatement of the year. :D

Thanks for note!

[Zeitgeist]

Ehm... vBulletin has a feature called "date and time when a posting was made" if you haven't recognized that till now ;-)

[Areku]

Direct and straight, Zeitgeist ;)

Ps. You have 0 posts? Is it a bug??! OH NO! 10 more weeks! :P

Just jokin'!

Thanks Jelsoft for bringing light to the real issue ;)

[Sam FT]

Direct and straight, Zeitgeist ;)

Ps. You have 0 posts? Is it a bug??! OH NO! 10 more weeks! :P

Just jokin'!

Thanks Jelsoft for bringing light to the real issue ;)
That is weird?!?

[MrNase]

Ehm... vBulletin has a feature called "date and time when a posting was made" if you haven't recognized that till now ;-)
Does a newbie know about that feature? ;) :D

Why do you have zero posts? Are you something special? :rolleyes:

[Areku]

Just what I said, a bug! :P

[Tungsten]

Thank you for the update, Kier.

:D http://images.vbulletin.com/images_tmp/icons/icon14.gif

[AZone]

'Gold' late next week! That's just great. Hope there won't be any delays or at least substantial delays.

[Mainer82]

Wow, I was shocked when I say the thread title! Yes, thank you Kier for the info!

[Mirical Bernd]

And now I am waiting for the whining posts around wednesday or thursday or friday: "Where is the release? But he said late this week!" and others responding: "Yes, but late in the week could be saturday or sunday!" :D Please quote me, when this happens. I say: PLEASE stay calm until the release is really there.

And please don't ask for the update in the members area, when you already see the Gold-Release on this board. It is known, that the update in the members area take some time after the installation on this board. Again: PLEASE stay calm until the release is really there.

For my part: I stay cool and calm. We already use the RC 4-release on our production-board. And it could stay that way a little longer. We are happy. We also will be happy with the gold-release. But our lives don't depend on the release.

Just some small question at the end: DID Kiers really change THAT much? :rolleyes:

[Sam FT]

But our lives don't depend on the release.

Mine does....LOL

[Zedd]

And now I am waiting for the whining posts around wednesday or thursday or friday: "Where is the release? But he said late this week!" and others responding: "Yes, but late in the week could be saturday or sunday!" :D Please quote me, when this happens. I say: PLEASE stay calm until the release is really there.

And please don't ask for the update in the members area, when you already see the Gold-Release on this board. It is known, that the update in the members area take some time after the installation on this board. Again: PLEASE stay calm until the release is really there.

For my part: I stay cool and calm. We already use the RC 4-release on our production-board. And it could stay that way a little longer. We are happy. We also will be happy with the gold-release. But our lives don't depend on the release.

Just some small question at the end: DID Kiers really change THAT much? :rolleyes:
LOL, I can just see it too, but its; 9:00 am on friday where is it. But it's 9:05 am on friday where is it......

[FASherman]

And now I am waiting for the whining posts around wednesday or thursday or friday: "Where is the release? But he said late this week!" and others responding: "Yes, but late in the week could be saturday or sunday!" :D Please quote me, when this happens. I say: PLEASE stay calm until the release is really there.

And please don't ask for the update in the members area, when you already see the Gold-Release on this board. It is known, that the update in the members area take some time after the installation on this board. Again: PLEASE stay calm until the release is really there.

For my part: I stay cool and calm. We already use the RC 4-release on our production-board. And it could stay that way a little longer. We are happy. We also will be happy with the gold-release. But our lives don't depend on the release.

Just some small question at the end: DID Kiers really change THAT much? :rolleyes:
1. Saturday is the last day of the week; Sunday is the first day.

2. Yes, his post changed everything. Did you know when the next release was before his post? Did you know whether it would be RC5 or Gold? Did you know the end to this 2+ year circle jerk was FINALLY in sight? WE ALL KNOW NOW.

[Mirical Bernd]

1. Saturday is the last day of the week; Sunday is the first day.

2. Yes, his post changed everything. Did you know when the next release was before his post? Did you know whether it would be RC5 or Gold? Did you know the end to this 2+ year circle jerk was FINALLY in sight? WE ALL KNOW NOW.
1. Not in Europe. Monday is the first day of the week here...

2. I didn't know, and I didn't care to be exact. It didn't change my life. Do you know what changes my life? In six weeks we will become parents. THAT changes some things. But I won't go to the doctor and ask: "Why don't you give me the exact hour and minute and second in which it will be born?" I will be awaiting the minute it comes, but I can wait. Maybe this is a certain coolness which would be good for some users here...

[VAN]

Anyone wanna start a pool as to how long until v3.0.1 is released to fix bugs/security issues? :D

I say less than 30 days. WIll be just my luck, too. I'll get the Gold version hacked up and designed just right, and then BAM! "Please upgrade as soon as possible." haha

Oh, and howza bout the graphics? Are they still going to be released prior to the Gold? Early next week, perhaps?

[FASherman]

1. Not in Europe. Monday is the first day of the week here...

2. I didn't know, and I didn't care to be exact. It didn't change my life. Do you know what changes my life? In six weeks we will become parents. THAT changes some things. But I won't go to the doctor and ask: "Why don't you give me the exact hour and minute and second in which it will be born?" I will be awaiting the minute it comes, but I can wait. Maybe this is a certain coolness which would be good for some users here...
You can't "change" the first day of the week. The first day of the week, since the beginning of time has been Saturday.

Here's the proof. God created the universe and all that it contains in 6 days, resting on the seventh. That day became the Sabbath, a day devout Jews have kept for thousands of years. And that day is...?

Saturday - the seventh day, the last day of the week. It was so when your ancestors, the Goths, wore rough animal hides and spoke in grunts, long before they developed a basic tribal civilization and became the barbarian horde that stormed the gates of Rome.

"Why don't you give me the exact hour and minute and second in which it will be born?"

Talk to a woman. The only reason you aren't asking is because its not your bladder he or she is tapdancing upon. :p

Congratulations. Your life is truly about to change. My advice is to get as much sleep as you can during the next 6 weeks, because you'll get precious little the following 6 weeks. Even so, its worth it.