In What Way's Do you think

[f-a_org]

In What Way's Do you think Racism is alive today ?

[DarkDelight.net]

In What Way's Do you think Racism is alive today ?
Ask George W. Bush.

[Tolitz]

Racism never died, it just took on different colors ;)

Just recognizing the existence and differences between various races already accounts for racism... it doesn't have to be derogatory or offensive... even a simple statement saying "black people can play basketball better than white people" already counts as racism...

[UHN_ED]

Racism never died, it just took on different colors ;)

Just recognizing the existence of different races already accounts for racism... it doesn't have to be derogatory or offensive... even a simple statement saying "black people can play basketball better than white people" already counts as racism...
Thats not racism at all. It is stereotyping and generalization, which can be just as bad as racism.

Racism is thinking that one group of people are superior or inferior to another. So saying blacks are the best, peoriod, whould be racism; but saying black people can play basketball better certaintly is not.

[Tolitz]

As I said, racism starts out as a belief... it's not derogatory in nature unless it is used as a comparison between the races in order to malign the other ... Saying "Blacks are the best, period" may just be a sign of pride for one's race, but saying it in comparison to another race in order to make the other superior is another thing entirely...

A "stereotype" or "generalization" is "Black people play basketball very well" ... but once you use "better than any other race", boom, you got racism right there...

But there are still grey areas and semantics to be considered here, so feel free to point them out...

[UHN_ED]

As I said, racism starts out as a belief... it's not derogatory in nature unless it is used as a comparison between the races in order to malign the other ... Saying "Blacks are the best, period" may just be a sign of pride for one's race, but saying it in comparison to another race in order to make the other superior is another thing entirely...

A "stereotype" or "generalization" is "Black people play basketball very well" ... but once you use "better than any other race", boom, you got racism right there...

But there are still grey areas and semantics to be considered here, so feel free to point them out...
Actually, you are still wrong. There is a very strict definition for racism. It is not saying that one race is better at doing something. It is only racism when you believe that a race as a whole is infeior or superior. Saying blacks play basketball better then any other race is not reacism by any means. It is generlization.

[rylin]

In What Way's Do you think Racism is alive today ?Racism still very much exists.
What bothers me most though is the whole political correctness put over it.

A white guy says something bad about someone with another background (immigrants, whatever) -- it's racism.
An immigrant says something about a white guy? It's justified because they have a different background.

That kind of **** happened all the time at my old school.
Get into trouble & report it to the headmaster?
"You're clearly provoking them"

Basically, authorities are afraid to realize that racism works both ways.
Sweden has a real problem with immigrants that chose not to integrate into society, and as such, you notice a lot of people with various backgrounds causing a ****load of problems.

Obviously, we also have moronic swedes being idiotic, as well as immigrants that do as much as they can to integrate into the society.
Pulling people over an edge is bad, but when 80% of all reported rapes in Sweden (report in 2002 - no link, sorry) are done by people with a different ethnic background it tends to piss off people.

The really sad thing about that is that when 8 guys (blacks, arabs) rape a 14 year old girl, they 4 get away without any penalty whatsoever, two get counseling for 6 months, 2 go to jail for two months, come out and sue the swedish government... HMMM!

Basically, until people can learn to live together and respect each other, racism will always exist.

If I come off as racist because of these remarks, then so be it.
I don't claim to be an innocent soul - I'm just sick of all the **** that's going on.
(This is a topic I feel very strongly about, but I'll try to not go into long rants ;))

[Tolitz]

Actually, you are still wrong. There is a very strict definition for racism. It is not saying that one race is better at doing something. It is only racism when you believe that a race as a whole is infeior or superior. Saying blacks play basketball better then any other race is not reacism by any means. It is generlization.I dunno, it still semantics to me...

For example, how else could a racist statement like "I won't trust him coz he's black?" exist without the "generalization" that black people (allegedly) commit more crimes than any other race...

I mean, just saying that black people play better than anyone implies superiority over another... how can that not be racism?

But anyway, I guess describing racism is a lot harder than citing examples of it... to me anyway...

[noppid]

For example, how else could a racist statement like "I won't trust him coz he's black?" exist without the "generalization" that black people (allegedly) commit more crimes than any other race...


Why is that statistical fact always confused with racsim?

Blacks make up less then or about 20% of the US population and commit about 80% of the crime.

Facts are facts. I'd be just as leary if it were any other race.

[UHN_ED]

I dunno, it still semantics to me...

For example, how else could a racist statement like "I won't trust him coz he's black?" exist without the "generalization" that black people (allegedly) commit more crimes than any other race...

I mean, just saying that black people play better than anyone implies superiority over another... how can that not be racism?

But anyway, I guess describing racism is a lot harder than citing examples of it... to me anyway... Like I said, sometimes generalization is just as bad as racism.

All Arabs are terrorists...
All Italians are in the mafia...
All Irish are drunks...
etc..

All of those are generalizations, not racism, but they are just as bad.

Racism would be hating all members of a specific race just because they are that race. Saying the a race is ood at a sport is not racism, but saying that one race is better then another, that they are worth more as people, is.

[Ksilebo]

In what ways (observe lack of apostrophe) do you think people like to stir up controversy and waste my time going to a thread without a clear subject defined?

[N9ne]

This thread is definitely going to deteriorate. It hasn't got off to a good start and eventually some racism will find its way into this thread...

[UHN_ED]

There was already a bad post that seems to have been deleted.

I expect more to happen :(

[phill2003]

Racism never died, it just took on different colors ;)

Just recognizing the existence and differences between various races already accounts for racism... it doesn't have to be derogatory or offensive... even a simple statement saying "black people can play basketball better than white people" already counts as racism...

by your standards we wouldnt be able to say anything at all to distinguish between people or things, i'm no more racist than the next ordinary person but why should i watch the language i use because you and people like you analise it and declare it non pc.

should i come out with racist crap then i would expect to be chastised in some way, but to start saying if you distinguish between a persons colour creed or religion you are racist no matter what is a bit on the extreme side if you ask me.

take jokes for an example black jokes are frowned upon as are disabled jokes as being in poor taste, but what is the difference between them and the englishman jokes floating about nothing thats what, it is just deemed acceptable to make fun of them, to me if a joke is funny then its funny.

if people spent less time looking for racism in everything we do then the world would be a better place.


also i would like to know what you think of positive discrimination, is this a good thing? i dont, at the end of the day if you go for a job and someone else gets it because of their colour whether positive or negative it shouldnt happen and is still racism.

[Ksilebo]

This thread is definitely going to deteriorate. It hasn't got off to a good start and eventually some racism will find its way into this thread...
They never go well.

[Stryker]

I'm totally against real racism, but get frustrated by the way it's used as an excuse for all sorts of social problems which have nothing to do with racism. It's an extension of the tendency many people have to avoid taking responsibility for their actions (look at litigation culture). For instance, "I can't get a job because employers are racist" etc. Racism does exist, but often it can be a self perpetuating cycle. Yeah, I know it's easy for me to tell people having a chip on their shoulder gets them nowhere since I've never experienced that kind of prejudice.

These days people are so afraid of being accused of being racist that they go out of their way to give preferential treatment to ethnic minorities... and that's just another form of racism. I'm all for calling a spade a spade - the word 'black' isn't offensive and Paki, for example, is simply a truncated version of Pakistani. If British people don't have a problem with being referred to as Brits etc then I don't see what the problem is.

Unless you're somehow ashamed of your heritage then shouldn't these abbreviations be water off a duck's back?

[Tolitz]

should i come out with racist crap then i would expect to be chastised in some way, but to start saying if you distinguish between a persons colour creed or religion you are racist no matter what is a bit on the extreme side if you ask me.That's the problem with society ... racism has been so associated with so many of its bad consequences that the word itself has been considered derogatory in nature rather than a definition of a belief, much like communism, or even Islam...

It has come to a point that an apple is no longer an apple, and has become just another fruit that can be thrown at someone...

[tgillespie]

Movies don't generally have an impact on my life, but I would have to say American History X was one that I personally have reflected on. It solidified my views on racism. Its sick, wrong, and should not be tollerated in any shape, form, or way. No way :p :p

[f-a_org]

Movies don't generally have an impact on my life, but I would have to say American History X was one that I personally have reflected on. It solidified my views on racism. Its sick, wrong, and should not be tollerated in any shape, form, or way. No way :p :p
Yes, but Still I think everyone is Racist in some way.

For Example; alot of whites don't like minorities, and alot of minorities don't like whites.