vBulletin 3.0.0 Beta 5 Released - Discuss

[Kier]

Discuss away... :)

If you are having a specific problem, please post in the appropriate forum rather than using this thread. If you believe that your problem is the result of a bug, please use the vBulletin 3 bug tracker (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/bugs.php?).

[Floris]

I want to congratulate Freddie, Kier, Mike, Scott, and everybody else who have been working hard in the last month to process all the feedback from the community, fixed more then 175 bugs, improved a lot of options and probably added a few - in order to get a step closer to the new version 3 (final).

Beta 5 - wh00 h000.

Great job - *runs to members area*

[fury]

first post :D

err... DAMN YOU FLORIS

[Dan]

Downloaded and installing now :D

[Chris M]

I downloaded:D

Satan

[Daniel P]

W00t thx for the release:) Major ownage :P

[Hiall]

downloaded and installed, just wondering when were gunna see rc :D

[Chris M]

*hears 10 kittens die*;)

Soon I hope:D

Satan

[Ogden2k]

D/L and installed.. awesome!

[Daniel P]

God we told u not to ask. Now look what you've done. 10 kitties have died. Damn j00 :)

[Chris M]

God we told u not to ask. Now look what you've done. 10 kitties have died. Damn j00 :)
Some people never learn;)

Satan

[Radon3k]

Glad to see progress is being made. :)

[rylin]

/me starts translating into swedish

[N9ne]

When's beta6 coming out? :p

I've not downloaded it as I don't need it but i'm glad 150 bugs are fixed!

[jamslam]

*downloaded*

now i wish i could install... my site is friggin down.. OF COURSE

[Daniel P]

Install it locally and play with it until your site is up :)

[poolking]

Let the childish insults and flame wars begin. Just thought I'd say that before it does de-generate into the usual chaos. :rolleyes:

[Daniel P]

We'll try not to go that far ~___~ :)

[cirisme]

Discuss away... :)

If you are having a specific problem, please post in the appropriate forum rather than using this thread. If you believe that your problem is the result of a bug, please use the vBulletin 3 bug tracker (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/bugs.php?).

Excellent! :cool: Downloading now :)

[Dan]

Installed now :D I love it! :D

[Dalius]

Installing. Nice job on the bug fixes, looking forward to more great work in the future.

[poolking]

Just installed, smooth as usual. :)

[Aaow AnD wHiTe]

Cool! Thank you guys, an amazing work with the bug fixes!! :) Gonna update our test board and maybe start translating the control panel as suggested (to spanish ;))

[a43079]

woohoooo me goes to the members area

[poolking]

So who's going to be the first to cry because their database has FUBARed during upgrade?

[Brandon]

So who's going to be the first to cry because their database has FUBARed during upgrade?
My bets on pHpLords.net ;) j\k...my upgrade went perfectly :)

[Zelda-King]

I've installed it. Looking good so far, except is anyone else NOT seeing the vCard thing in User CP > Options?

EDIT: Ignore that. It was because I had some custom templates. It's fine now I reverted them.

[Mr. HillBilly]

Is there a change log?

[DarkDelight.net]

My bets on pHpLords.net ;) j\k
We can only hope ;) also j\k



:rolleyes:

[poolking]

Is there a change log?

Changes since Beta 4?

Check out Kiers Beta 5 announcement.

[Martin64]

Excellent! Good job, vB team :)

I love how quick an upgrade with vB3 is, it just took a few minutes to upload and upgrade. :D

edit: typo

[poolking]

Excellent! Good job, vB team :)

I love how quick an upgrade with vB3, it just took a few minutes to upload and upgrade. :D

As we all bow down and pay homage to the dev gods at jelsoft

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/richard.arblaster/pictures/notworthy.gif

[Snowy]

i just overwrite the exsisting files ?

[Zachery]

read the instuctions carefully :)



jw. where is the vcard link?

[Snowy]

hhmm i did but got an error :(

http://www.snowbot.org/synergy/install/upgrade3.php

Please make sure you have created the new directory structure required by vBulletin 3:

You need to move config.php to the sub directory off of your forums directory named "includes"

[Snowy]

iv never done an upgrade, only had vb for less than a week so any help would be good as im still learning. But i learn fast :)

[Martin64]

iv never done an upgrade, only had vb for less than a week so any help would be good as im still learning. But i learn fast :)
"Upgrade Instructions

To upgrade your board, upload all files from the 'upload' folder in the zip file with the exception of install/install.php, then point your browser at install/upgrade.php. You should be automatically redirected to the appropriate upgrade script (upgrade1.php for people upgrading from vBulletin 2, upgrade2.php for people upgrading from vBulletin 3 Beta 3 and upgrade3.php for people upgrading from vBulletin 3 Beta 4)."

[tropicalsuns]

"Upgrade Instructions

To upgrade your board, upload all files from the 'upload' folder in the zip file with the exception of install/install.php, then point your browser at install/upgrade.php. You should be automatically redirected to the appropriate upgrade script (upgrade1.php for people upgrading from vBulletin 2, upgrade2.php for people upgrading from vBulletin 3 Beta 3 and upgrade3.php for people upgrading from vBulletin 3 Beta 4)."


What about the config.php file?

Do we keep the same one we had in Beta 3.04?

[Snowy]

ok cool i got that bit but what i dont get is do i have to overwrite the files or just delete everything and upload all the new stuff ?

sorry for being a pain in da ass :)

[Martin64]

tropicalsuns: yes, keep it.

Snowy: overwrite all files.

[tropicalsuns]

tropicalsuns: yes, keep it.

Snowy: overwrite all files.


Snowy best keep his copy of the config.php also or his board won't work!

Copy and insert it into the upgrade.

[Zachery]

anybody vcard?

[Snowy]

ok did that but im still getting

Please make sure you have created the new directory structure required by vBulletin 3:

You need to move config.php to the sub directory off of your forums directory named "includes"
:(

god i bet u hate n00bs...lol

help :) pretty please..lol

[Zachery]

make sure there is a file in includes called config.php and it is configured correclty

[Snowy]

yep its there, its my old one so all details are correct

[Zelda-King]

I see we can enabled self-usernote viewing now. Excellent!

[Snowy]

Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.0.0 Beta 5
Copyright ©2000 - 2003, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

OK cool sorted it, for some reason it didnt unpack the files correctly and i didnt get the upgrade.php files

second attempt worked :)

[Beth]

Downloaded and install. Now to test it all again ;)

[Floris]

Upgraded creations.nl and vbulletin.nl without any problems ! woo ooo hooo ooo... good job devs :)

[Martin64]

Snowy best keep his copy of the config.php also or his board won't work!

Copy and insert it into the upgrade.
Incorrect. There's no config.php in the package he downloaded (it's named config.php.new) so it's impossible to overwrite it. Remember, you had to rename the file to config.php and upload it. The vBulletin team is smart. :)

[Zelda-King]

Someone needs to update the vBulletin version profile field. ;)

[Snowy]

where is this vCard thingie ? lol lol

[Zelda-King]

The link to see others' is in their profile under contact details IF they have checked the box in their options.

[Attrox]

Ah, finally. :) Quite a few bug fixes in this one too... *goes to install*

[Snowy]

:( ok i upgraded and all works BUT my board url is now

http://www.snowbot.org/synergy/index.php? this shows beta5

not

http://www.snowbot.org/synergy/ this link shows beta 4

can someone a staff member please help if i give them axx ? im lost and getting worried :(

[insanctus]

Upgraded , with out a flaw nice and smooth.

My photo post still running well with it as is my personals and my portal.

Two thumbs up.

[Steve Machol]

Snowy, as per Kier's message please do not use this thread for trouble-shooting. Start a new thread.

[pank]

I'm just making sure and forgive me if I missed this in another thread but I'm assuming that no default calendar is created in this release as well?
No biggie. Just making sure I didn't miss something.

Not really trouble shooting, just checking for an answer. If this is the wrong area sorry...

Great work as always guys...

[mjames]

Damn, I just installed beta 4 today! :( :p

[Hellcat]

w00t!

Just downloaded and installed!
Looks like Beta4 :p

Now let's see what changed behind the scenes.
Have to update the script I already wrote for vB3, 'cause something DID change - doesn't work like it did on Beta4 :D

(Damn Coppa stuff :-/ )

[Chroder]

Downloaded and installed :cool:

[Erwin]

Good work guys, and thanks. :)

[tropicalsuns]

Thanks :)

[Gozita]

Getting close to RC not going to install beta 5 till about 2 -3 days
but great work guys.

[sebe]

best upgrade ever. easy and smooth, just how i like it ;)
i was afraid i was going to loose all the template modifications i made, but all seem to be intact.
took me about 5 minutes at most to upgrade.

thanx.

[XPlus]

when the final version release?

[Zachery]

when the final version release?
now your just being annoyning :P


wait!

[Asterik]

:O yay finally :) *Installs on test board* Wee!!! Tinkering time :D

[sabret00the]

thanks guys, stupid question since i aint read the actual annoucement yet, but have the templates now been finalised?

[Corbu]

Downloaded and I will install it in a few moment...

Very good job , congratulations to the staff

[poolking]

thanks guys, stupid question since i aint read the actual annoucement yet, but have the templates now been finalised?

Not until at least Release Candidate

[Floris]

Yeah, that is a stupid question. Why should we read it for you :P

[OmaniMan]

Done !! :D
And Worked GreatFully With Non-English Language Specially Arabic :o

Just Need Some Fixing as shows in bug tracker Forum :rolleyes:

[Chris M]

I heard mention of a moderator permissions - I can't see it:confused:

Anyway - http://www.darkblazes.com/forums - Running beta 5;):D

Satan

[Zelda-King]

when the final version release?
I think it'd be reasonable to assume this is going to be the longest stretch between releases seeing as they'll actually be wanting to finalise the style and template system about now. Therefore there's far more to do than just bug fixes, and of course it'll depend on how many bugs are reported for Beta 5.

[Stryker]

I've just upgraded to beta 5 with no problems whatsoever. Totally painless, thanks guys. :cool:

[The General]

Damn, I just installed beta 4 today! :( :p

LUCKY CNUT! :D

Two upgrades in one day... We had to wait a month... Lol. :)

[The General]

I had a very smooth install/upgrade.

Cheers!

[Kier]

The next thing we will be doing (after releasing vBulletin 2.3.1) will be the integration of my new WYSIWYG editor. This will also involve rewriting the HTML to BBcode parser, and depending on how well that goes we may opt to release a Beta 6 in order to get that fully tested before we press ahead to the Release Candidate stage.

[N9ne]

The next thing we will be doing (after releasing vBulletin 2.3.1) will be the integration of my new WYSIWYG editor. This will also involve rewriting the HTML to BBcode parser, and depending on how well that goes we may opt to release a Beta 6 in order to get that fully tested before we press ahead to the Release Candidate stage.
I think a beta 6 would be a good idea if there's going to be so many changes.

[Hiall]

I think a beta 6 would be a good idea if there's going to be so many changes.
yea, although why didn't vb do the style conversion first and then find the bugs??

[rylin]

That's actually a fairly good question ;)

[Zelda-King]

They probably just decided to release Beta 5 now to shut us all up for a while...

[The General]

They probably just decided to release Beta 5 now to shut us all up for a while...
Which is a very good idea imo... =]

Give the kids some candy and they'll be nice to you... :)

[dstruct2k]

The next thing we will be doing (after releasing vBulletin 2.3.1) will be the integration of my new WYSIWYG editor. This will also involve rewriting the HTML to BBcode parser, and depending on how well that goes we may opt to release a Beta 6 in order to get that fully tested before we press ahead to the Release Candidate stage.
Wha's this? 2.3.1? Hmmm... And here I was told that 2.3.0 was the last release in the vB2 line... Hmmm...

New WYSIWYG editor? Another? Well, this one is kinda messed anyways. As a matter of fact, the BOLD indicator is currently ON, even though I turned bold off a few sentences ago... Oh, there it goes. Must just be this damn slow P2....

Anyways, awesome work on B5! Keep the work coming!

[Floris]

Everybody run to the profile (user control panel) and update the version you are using :P

[nuno]

The next thing we will be doing (after releasing vBulletin 2.3.1) will be the integration of my new WYSIWYG editor. This will also involve rewriting the HTML to BBcode parser, and depending on how well that goes we may opt to release a Beta 6 in order to get that fully tested before we press ahead to the Release Candidate stage.
I thought you were working on the new style or something....

[nkoo1]

I just did the upgrade. Everything worked great except the last post icon didn't show but a broken image link, and I look at the path for the image it called for is "http://www.domain.com/forums/1" that's it.

Any idea on how to fix it?

[Floris]

Bug tracker :)

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/bugs.php?do=view&bugid=374

[nkoo1]

Oh...I forgot to mention I did add a couple fields to Thread table.. will that cause the problem with upgrade.

[version2]

How long should it take. I have been sitting at:

Alterting thread title column to varchar 250

For about 8-10 minutes now.

[dstruct2k]

Oh...I forgot to mention I did add a couple fields to Thread table.. will that cause the problem with upgrade.
Most likely. Revert templates, then see if the problem still exists.

[dstruct2k]

How long should it take. I have been sitting at:

Alterting thread title column to varchar 250

For about 8-10 minutes now.
I would assume your MySQL connection froze up. Try restarting the upgrade.

(And unless you have 100,000 threads, that specific process should not take more than 5-10 seconds. Converting to varchar 250 would be fast.)

[Roody]

How many betas are they planning before releasing it Gold?

[Zelda-King]

How many betas are they planning before releasing it Gold? If you read back 16 odd posts you'll find out.

[snyx]

beta 5? excellent, one step closer. good work team :)

[Roody]

If you read back 16 odd posts you'll find out.

Ok, thanks for the info. I found it. :)

[nwingate]

My upgrade went smooth!

Now make the code GOLD and give me VContent already! ;)

[Erwin]

2.3.1!!! :eek:

[Snowy]

2.3.1!!! :eek:

yer i dont see the point. It has already been rls as a FINAL so why upgrade it and delay vb3 longer ? Also why make vb3 at all if your plans were to just keep upgrading vb2. I dont mean to be rude or whatever but as a new owner of VB it confuses me. I installed vb3 thinking it would be better, and it is so i am told. More functionality and more things built in as standard but i hear your upgrading vb2 which has support for hacks that i could realy use. I know its only a beta and supposed to be only used for testing and not a live forum but still i dont understand why upgrade a FINAL rls when you have a brand new one ?

moan over, well done on beta 5 :)

[Wayne Luke]

We are upgrading the 2.X series because we have an obligation to our customers to provide the finest product we can and various bugs and security issues necessitated a new release for that series.

If you are already using vBulletin 3, then the version release would not have any effect on you. Upgrading vBulletin 2.X has not delayed further development on vBulletin 3 except in the smallest of instances. Since all of our customers will not upgrade to vBulletin 3.0 immediately due to whatever reasons of their own, it is our obligation to make sure their installations are as secure and stable as possible. The same effort and quality will be put into vBulletin 3, even while we are working on vBulletin 4, as well.

If it makes you feel any better look at it like a service pack.

[Snowy]

good point :)

Thanks for the update

[sabret00the]

well with all this talk of beta six and stuff it sounds good, not sure if this is the right place but when you realease it can you make it so that we can change the bg colour of thw wysiwyg panel in the style setting as to have everything a certain colour then have this grey is just -_-" anyway, thank you very much for this, i look forward to b6 and then the rc's

[Ordovicium]

I can't activate the vcard in the user options.
Is there an option in the ACP to allow vcard's?

[Zelda-King]

You mean it doesn't appear at all? If that's the case revert your Modify User Options > MODIFY template.

[feldon23]

well with all this talk of beta six and stuff it sounds good, not sure if this is the right place but when you realease it can you make it so that we can change the bg colour of thw wysiwyg panel in the style setting as to have everything a certain colour then have this grey is just -_-" anyway, thank you very much for this, i look forward to b6 and then the rc's
What beta 6?

As for the color of the WYSIWYG panel, you can change it yourself.

Edit the entries for .controlbar and .controlbar .wysbutton in the clientscript/wysiwyg.css file and reupload it.

[feldon23]

First time hearing about vB2.3.1 but I strongly support vBulletin's choice in this matter.

vB3 is not considered a STABLE release and there are no hacks available so many people cannot use it for production servers, so they are relying on vB2. If vB2 has security issues and bugs, fixing them is important.

vB3 is about features, not fixing bugs in vB2! I'm not sure why people think otherwise. Maybe you are used to some of these scam artists like Quark and Macromedia that charge big bucks and roll over the version number when they fix bugs. It doesn't work like that here.

[Wayne Luke]

well with all this talk of beta six and stuff it sounds good, not sure if this is the right place but when you realease it can you make it so that we can change the bg colour of thw wysiwyg panel in the style setting as to have everything a certain colour then have this grey is just -_-" anyway, thank you very much for this, i look forward to b6 and then the rc's
Since Beta 6 will include a rewrite of the WYSIWYG editor, please make this suggestion in the proper forum so that the developer's see it. I am sure it can be worked in relatively easy. If it isn't however, there is a WYSIWYG.CSS file in the clientscript folder which you can use to customize the look of the toolbar.

[N9ne]

Wow, I just upgraded to beta 5 and it took a few seconds (literally!)

Great job.

[remlle]

I just installed and configured on my server. The absolut best version out to date. it blows all bulletin boards out of the water. the upgrade was awsome and did not loose a single setting thanks guys. JOB well done

[Lacrosse Boy]

It went very quickly and smoothly. Thumbs up to Jelsoft. With other software... hem-hem it isn't this easy to upgrade.

Thanks! :)

[orozery]

We now encourage those people who intend to translate their boards into non-english languages to attempt to translate the control panel text, as available in the admin control panel language manager, and to report back if they experience any problems that we should look into.

Does this mean that we won't need to re-translate it when a new version is available?

[Chicanismo]

Can you go directly from 2.3.0 to VB3 beta 5??

[feldon23]

Does this mean that we won't need to re-translate it when a new version is available?
There will be changes in the future, but vB3 is now at a state that it's worth translating.

Can you go directly from 2.3.0 to VB3 beta 5??
Yep.

[Slave]

Just upgraded from beta4 .. very smooth, with no problems ..

:)

[Wolfe]

how do you add more info to your own Personal vCard

[Wolfe]

There will be changes in the future, but vB3 is now at a state that it's worth translating.


Yep.


good point d00d i am currently workign on a Español one :D

[Floris]

Goto the user control panel and update your vbulletin profile.

[julius]

Why in the announcement there is not as usual the list of the templates and files changed from vB 3 beta4? It is very useful if you have changed something.

[assabyle]

i've downloaded the vb3beta5 files, there is a readme for upgrade vb2 -> vb3beta5 but not readme vb3beta4 -> vb3beta5

how can i upgrade vb3beta4 to vb3beta5 ?

thank you

[feldon23]

Upload all the files, run install/install.php

I agree that the files included are irrelevant for people upgrading from a prior beta.

[cirisme]

Why in the announcement there is not as usual the list of the templates and files changed from vB 3 beta4? It is very useful if you have changed something.
The whole point of a beta is not to change anything :)

[fury]

The whole point of a beta is not to change anything :)
The whole point of a beta is to find out all the bugs, which would require changing anything and everything that you can. :p

[DarkDelight.net]

The whole point of a beta is to find out all the bugs, which would require changing anything and everything that you can. :p
The whole point of a beta is to find out all the bugs so changing everything and introducing more bugs of your own is not going to help, is it?

[feldon23]

We're confusing Changing Settings (good for a beta!) vs. Changing Templates/PHP Files (not good for a beta!)

[AZone]

Help me, please. I'm planning to start my project on vBulletin 3.0.0 Beta 5. How could I udgrade correctly this version to the next version - Beta 6 or whatever it will be without loosing any data? Is DB back up only thing I will have to do? Content of which tables is a subject to change and shouldn't I do back up for these tables (templates, for example)?
Thank you!

[Steve Machol]

Upgrades do not overwrite the data. However you should always backup the db prior to upgrading as an extra precaution.

[Chroder]

Who's making the the new style? Kier?

[Infopro]

Kier, thanks for this. My upgrade went very smooth. Interestingly enough, I had upgraded out of an ikonbored just a few months ago to 2.3.0 and that went as smooth as this one. The new tools and handy features are great.
Thank you for all your hard work. Now for the bad news (opinion)

It's just too busy now. Not only are the forums look itself a bit crammed, so is the admin area.
Why the tables have been changed around so much on the forums index page is beyond me. I'm sure you have your reasons but it's just too busy and when you're in a thread as this one right now, this area up top
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vBulletin Community Forum > vBulletin > Announcements Discussions > vBulletin 3.0.0 Beta 5 Released - Discuss
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is quite cramped looking.
Having the "post and threads" tables shoved into the middle, while it may be a new look I'm just not used to, gives a cramped feeling as well.
These are of course all cosmetic things, but I just wanted to mention it since I didnt see anyone else here in this thread say anything about it.

Thanks for a great product, but I think I'll move back to 2.3.2 for now, I don't really need the tools 3.0 has to offer and force me to re hack this from scratch to make the forums look "better" for our forums style.

If there is a thread about this that I have missed and I've posted in the wrong one, sorry.

[Infopro]

A few examples of what i mean.

Nice, http://infoprosjoint.net/fun/230smooth.gif
Not as nice but nice, http://infoprosjoint.net/fun/3beta5.gif

I found a thread here not long ago about editing the table where the "report post" link is, I used parts of that for our forums. it really should have been used on the new version IMHO of course.
not so nice, http://infoprosjoint.net/fun/stilltohighsig.gif
very nice, http://infoprosjoint.net/fun/nicecleanlook.gif

Again, none of this is meant as a complaint, but more of an observation on the looks of things. It "IS" a great product. (but you knew that, lol) ;)

[Infopro]

Yep, I posted in the wrong thread, just found the right area.
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?forumid=55

Sorry..

[AZone]

Steve Machol
Thus I will just have to upload new files and run latest upgradeX.php? Am I correct?
And what about new templates and style? They will be changed as you said early, but without changing data, I will not have new templates?..

[Steve Machol]

Steve Machol
Thus I will just have to upload new files and run latest upgradeX.php? Am I correct?
And what about new templates and style? They will be changed as you said early, but without changing data, I will not have new templates?..
You just follow the upgrade instructions that will be posted with every new release.

I don't understand the template question. The style is not final yet and consequently the templates are likely to change substantially before the final vB3 release.

[Infopro]

The installation instructions IMHO are clear and easy to understand as is the upgrade part of them. The upgrade scripts do all the work. It upgrades "thru" a few versions as you will see. I actually did I think 3 upgrades one after the other all in one sitting. The script works great.

[AZone]

Steve Machol
Thank you a lot for feedback! I think, I will not have problem with upgrade...

[AZone]

User Rank
When I try to specify image for rank, I have following mistake: "Invalid File Path Specified"

How does it work?

P.S. Is it possible to make different User Profile Fields for different Usergroups?

[dstruct2k]

You can try four different ways: {imagesfolder}/path/from/images/rank.jpg $bburl/path/from/bburl/rank.jpg http://yourdomain.com/rank/image.jpg /path/from/root/image.jpgI would suggest trying number 3 first.

As for your PS, that would have to be a hack. Not that bad of an idea for a hack, either. :)

[AZone]

It doesn't work anyway... :(

[Steve Machol]

AZone, please do not use this thread for troubleshooting questions and problems. Instead start a new thread.

[AZone]

OK. I'm sorry.

Thus I would like to say that you make a great job - vB3 is the best forum I have ever seen! Keep this progress!

[dennis00]

Nice work, i'm hoping for a nice skin

[Asterik]

When could we see an RC Release, cuz i mean ur still workin on 2.3.x but ur still workin on vB3 Beta and its in the 5 stage..... Im just wondering how many more betas are *Estimated* to go until we see an RC version or something.

[Dan]

now 2.3.1 and 2.3.2 where made to fix errors with new versions of mysql and php iirc

[Hobbes]

i've downloaded the vb3beta5 files, there is a readme for upgrade vb2 -> vb3beta5 but not readme vb3beta4 -> vb3beta5

how can i upgrade vb3beta4 to vb3beta5 ?

thank you


upload the vb3 beta 5 files to your server, then run www.pathtour.forums.com/install/upgrade.php

should be fine, it will redirect you to the correct upgrade :D

[Wayne Luke]

When could we see an RC Release, cuz i mean ur still workin on 2.3.x but ur still workin on vB3 Beta and its in the 5 stage..... Im just wondering how many more betas are *Estimated* to go until we see an RC version or something.
We have an obligation to maintain the securest product for our established customer base. 2.3.X is the current recommended platform for production servers. 3.0 is still in beta and most of our customers have not switched to it, nor do they intend to immediately.

For vBulletin 3, we anticipate 1 more beta to test the new cross-platform WYSIWYG editor. After that it will be redoing the templates, additional bug fixes and release candidate stage.

[Faruk]

in other words, you're anticipating that beta 6 will be the last of the beta's? :)

[Asterik]

We have an obligation to maintain the securest product for our established customer base. 2.3.X is the current recommended platform for production servers. 3.0 is still in beta and most of our customers have not switched to it, nor do they intend to immediately.

For vBulletin 3, we anticipate 1 more beta to test the new cross-platform WYSIWYG editor. After that it will be redoing the templates, additional bug fixes and release candidate stage.
Thank you :D

[JonUrban]

Upgrade from B4 to B5 was a breeze! Thanks to all!

:-jon

[hiepgia1989]

how to change ibf to vbb ??
i am a new member!

[mknott]

how to change ibf to vbb ??
i am a new member!

not sure what ibf is but i would think you should install vb and then run a inport script to get all your posts/users&settings transfered over

but hay what do i know i still cant edit templates so that the email bits dont show

[santino]

how to change ibf to vbb ??
i am a new member!

Hiepgia1989: You need to run the invision importer which you can find in the members area (http://www.vbulletin.com/members/).

[Mythril]

hey is there a way I would be able to downgrade vb3 to vb2? Or is that out of my reach now?

[Steve Machol]

hey is there a way I would be able to downgrade vb3 to vb2? Or is that out of my reach now?
The only way would be to restore the vB2 files and backup of the database you made prior to upgrading.

[synicide]

I just did the upgrade. Everything worked great except the last post icon didn't show but a broken image link, and I look at the path for the image it called for is "http://www.domain.com/forums/1" that's it.

Any idea on how to fix it?
Under Thread Display Options (showthread) > Show Default Post Icon in the Control Panel, you have to replace the "1" in your case with the actual path of the icon you want to use for default posts, I ran into this problem and saw that they changed the way that they handled this attribute.

[nkoo1]

How do I display the poll results in a non vb page? and How do set it to show the poll graph instead of having to click on the view results button?

[Snowy]

How do I display the poll results in a non vb page? and How do set it to show the poll graph instead of having to click on the view results button?

maybe try in this forum http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=56

ask in there :)

[Steve Machol]

nkoo1, to get vB support on these forums you first need to register for Priority Forum Support. To do this, please click HERE (http://www.vbulletin.com/members/forums.php) and enter your email address in one of the boxes. You'll need to have your customer number and password to access the page. Thanks.

[Mythril]

Not to have anyone yelling back or anything but do you guys plan to have a beta 6 or RC as the next newest release?

[Steve Machol]

The Devs have already posted there will be a Beta 6 soon.

[nkoo1]

The Devs have already posted there will be a Beta 6 soon.


Cool!...any new addon features?

[Feldman78]

nice, 3.0

[Steve Machol]

Cool!...any new addon features?
We are not adding new features to vB3. We are finetuning and fixing bugs.

[Wolfe]

when abouts will Beta 6 be out :D

[Steve Machol]

when abouts will Beta 6 be out :D
You're just begging to be slapped silly, aren't you? ;)

[poolking]

You're just begging to be slapped silly, aren't you? ;)

Are you going to add that to your CPL? (Cut 'n' Paste List) :D

[Zachery]

Cool!...any new addon features?
wysiwyg 2 i belive?

[Snowy]

its all good :)

[J.C.]

Just Curious, Will this be the last Beta in vb3?

[Ordovicium]

The Devs have already posted there will be a Beta 6 soon.
I hope beta6 coming out with the new WYSIWYG Engine.

[Zelda-King]

Of course it will! The new WYSIWYG engine is the only reason they're bothering to have a beta 6.

[Erwin]

I'm amazed - how much better can the WYSIWYG be? :)

[Zachery]

well if they need a whole new release beta for it it must be bigger and better i belive that it works better with moz and netscape

[Snowy]

sounds interesting, just hope its soon rlsed as i want to play...lol, get my grubby little hands on it :)

[MrNase]

i also hope for a soon release... I have one week left and than i'll be 1 week without internet and i don't wanna be one of the last guys who get vb3 beta6 :)

[Floris]

I'm amazed - how much better can the WYSIWYG be? :)
It looks better,
it runs better,
it has a few more buttons,
and it works on Mozilla.

Enough reasons for me :)

[Ordovicium]

Of course it will! The new WYSIWYG engine is the only reason they're bothering to have a beta 6.
And a beta 7 to fixing the bugs ;)

[markraker]

Where do I find a complete feature list (enhancements from V2)?
Thanks. mark

[Ordovicium]

Where do I find a complete feature list (enhancements from V2)?
Thanks. mark

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showpost.php?p=331353&postcount=2

[Snowy]

any hint to when beta 6 may be out? Im off work now for the weekend and off out and i dont wanna miss it :) ?

[Zachery]

every time a user asks it gets pushed back by 7 days ;)

[Wolfe]

every time a user asks it gets pushed back by 7 days ;)
is that true d00d

[Zachery]

i winked didnt i?

[synicide]

every time a user asks it gets pushed back by 7 days ;)
don't forget all the kittens and dogs that get shot everytime somebody asks too. o_o

[Zachery]

oh damn, if ppl keep askin we might never get it

[Snowy]

don't forget all the kittens and dogs that get shot everytime somebody asks too. o_o

good i hate cats :) lol

[Wolfe]

good i hate cats :) lol
hey my nickname is DEATHCAT :(

[Mythril]

since vb beta 6 is coming out how much is chnaging from beta 5 to 6 and 6 to RC? Because I know people want to make mods for vbulletin but the problem for them is the change. I am wanting to have a portal up shortly and for me its a problem.

[feldon23]

We're not supposed to be doing significant hacks until at least RC1 because of this very problem.

[Erwin]

We're not supposed to be doing significant hacks until at least RC1 because of this very problem.
Exactly. :) There are plenty of hackers who have hacked their vB3 boards, but officially none will be released because vB3 is still in beta. We do not want to cause confusion and trouble for the developers during this period of beta-testing.

[Mythril]

so in other words no one can really make hacks untill the RC comes out, meaning that would be a stable version?

[Erwin]

so in other words no one can really make hacks untill the RC comes out, meaning that would be a stable version?
You can make hacks for your own forums, but at the moment we are trying not to encourage it as it makes trouble-shooting and fixing bugs more difficult.

[[ITA]Assone]

just traslating in italian!

w00t!

[poolking]

so in other words no one can really make hacks untill the RC comes out, meaning that would be a stable version?

No, the gold version will be the stable version.

[Erwin]

No, the gold version will be the stable version.
The RC will be the version out of beta, which is for vB.org's purposes the stable version that may be hacked.

[AZone]

Will vB3 have thread description, like others forums have (Invision Power Board etc.)?

Example:

[Mark Wegener]

guess not, it already includes a 'post preview' option.

[AZone]

You are right, but I think "post preview" and "thread description" will not disturb each other... ;)
Anyway - if not, someone will do hack for it, as well as did it for vB2... :)

[todd.o.callen]

I feel like 3.0 is suffering from severe scope creep.
Might as well call it vB 2004(and counting)

Sorry, I am just really annoyed at the HUGE delays from forecasts.
I have corporate initiatives waiting on the security and filehandling enhancements, and I have lost a lot of credibility with my customers because Jelsoft's release forecast was so far off. Cut the "wouldn't it be nice if it could..." crap and gild the d*&^ product. It feels like you guys expect this to be the last release or something.


(Now I feel better).

[feldon23]

Best solution is NO forecasts.

vB3 stopped adding features a while back. It's all bug fixing and implementation woes. The explosion of Mozilla and new Mac browser Safari have required a lot of reworking. And mistakes were made in the language system (namely, designing and implementing it without asking anyone who is bilingual?!).

vB3 can't just be "shoved" out there right now because it would not hit 2 major goals: fully language independancy, and full support of all 4.0+ browsers.

[todd.o.callen]

Best solution is NO forecasts.

Thanks for the polite reply.

I do think I disagree from a business perspective.
Your customers (at least business customers) need to be able to synchronize their plans with yours. Without target dates, there is no accountability -- the product will have to remain targeted at "casual users" only.

As for the multi-lingual thing, hindsight is 20/20, no?
Perhaps that should have been saved for a companion product, or as a separate release. I will be serving 3 major languages with my planned implemtations, and I was planning to customize each version separately myself. A bit of a pain, but it would have been done by now because I would have asked our employees what they wanted each tidbit to say.
As it stands, I still have to do that, but I can't really even get started online. Fast to market is often more important than perfection -- just ask Microsoft :rolleyes: . Your user community is innovative enough to develop solutions for you in many cases, but the key is getting the great ones out quickly so that we aren't forced to hack to get what we need. I would LOVE to stay in "OUT OF THE BOX" mode, but who can wait that long for attachments-as-files, multiple-group-membership, etc.?

[Zachery]

vb3 i would say right now is stable enuf to put into a working enviroment, there are many forums that are live with vb3

[todd.o.callen]

vb3 i would say right now is stable enuf to put into a working enviroment, there are many forums that are live with vb3

Technically, I am restricted from going production with an unreleased product. I realize that most vB customers are not so restricted.

If the product is really stable, would anybody scream foul if it were released with "service packs" to follow?

[Snowy]

personally i think you both make valid points but JS have to make sure there product is as safe and bug free as they can otherwise we "the customers" would all jump on there backs. I understand from everything i have read here that most of the bugs are fixed and its just template cleaning and the new improved WYSIWYG. Both i hope you would agree are vital to the success of VB3 ?

[todd.o.callen]

I understand from everything i have read here that most of the bugs are fixed and its just template cleaning and the new improved WYSIWYG. Both i hope you would agree are vital to the success of VB3 ?

Naturally. We all want clean code that can save the world. :)

At this point, all that will help me is the end product, I guess. It would be nice if there could be a pre-release that could be used to develop look and feel without fear of upward/downward compatibility, but I won't hold my breath.

The lesson to be learned here is for future releases.
I don't pretend to understand the challenges facing the development team, but I suggest the following guideline(s) for future thought:

1) DO set dates and stick to them (+/- a couple of weeks, perhaps, but not 4+ months).

2) When the dates become impossible for unforeseen reasons, consider altering the scope of the release as an emergency measure. You might also consider having a user poll help make the decision on hitting the date versus releasing fewer content changes. I suspect that this would be a difficult option in many cases for structural reasons, but...


I value the open door policy exhibited by the vB team, and I don't want them to screw up an already good product while trying to improve it. I just want to give as much feedback as may be useful to them in the future. I think this release cycle has probably been giving them all nightmares for quite some time, and my meager advice has almost certainly already been kicked around in closed sessions long before I even thought of it.

On second thought, vB TEAM: don't waste time reading this if it might slow you down. ;)

[XYPHEN]

Is the new WYSIWYG included in this beta?

[Hoffi]

I hope Beta6 is coming soon.

The Smilie-Drop-Down in this new WYSIWYG ist not very good. Is it possible to schoose between Drop-Down and the old Version.:confused:

[Steve Machol]

Is the new WYSIWYG included in this beta?
It will be in Beta 6.

[Mark Hensler]

I have lost a lot of credibility with my customers because Jelsoft's release forecast was so far off.ditto

While I do think that Jelsoft has made (and is still making) a great product. I have lost respect for the company itself.

[poolking]

ditto

While I do think that Jelsoft has made (and is still making) a great product. I have lost respect for the company itself.
Sorry, I disagree with you and todd, you shouldn't make promises to your users, don't blame Jelsoft for your incorrect judgment.

Release dates are never guaranteed.

Todd if you've lost credibility, maybe you should be careful with what promises you make, if you did make any, in future.

[webspinner]

I too have been hit by the extended wait for vb3, my prime motive for migrating was to solve severe performance problems with a competitive product. I have temporarily solved the problem by upgrading my hardware and promising my users the vBulletin nirvana when vb3 is released. I appreciate that this course of action is not open to everyone, but fortunately it appears to have worked for me.

On the subject of release dates I can see some sense in what Todd was suggesting for future releases. Basically you set a fixed release date, and vary the contents of the release depending on how rapidly development proceeds. However I can sympathise with Jelsoft's position for this release, vb3 is not a minor upgrade, it is a total rewrite. So it is almost impossible to leave out nice to have features to pull the release date forward. I am sure that the development and sales people at Jelsoft will be looking very carefully at the issue of release dates and feature sets for future releases. So vb3.x releases could have not only a rock solid efficient forum, but accurate release dates as well. Please remember not to complain if they do go for this approach as it may be your "must have" feature that gets dropped to achieve the date.

So there is no perfect solution, we can either have:

a) A fixed pre announced feature set for each release,
. or
b) A relatively fixed release data,

We definitely cannot have both, it is just not possible to estimate reliably for such a massive project. After my initial migration onto the vB3 product, I will not be that time sensitive for new features so I would probably prefer option "a", how about everyone else?

Looking forward to Beta 6 :)

Cheers

Webspinner

[asfprez]

ditto

While I do think that Jelsoft has made (and is still making) a great product. I have lost respect for the company itself.
I agree. VB3 has been the biggest piece of bloatware that I've ever seen. The fact that we are going to have new features arrive in Beta 6 (the new WYSIWYG editor) is simply silly. The project is already a year past due and they can't stop coding it.

Other companies don't have any problems setting release dates at least to the quarter, why can't VB?

It might be a great product when it's released, but I doubt that I'll live that long.

[the geek]

Sorry, I disagree with you and todd, you shouldn't make promises to your users, don't blame Jelsoft for your incorrect judgment.

Release dates are never guaranteed.

Todd if you've lost credibility, maybe you should be careful with what promises you make, if you did make any, in future.

Whenever this subject rears its ugly head around (pretty frequently me thinks) you get these silly remarks made toward anyone who expresses dissatisfaction about the "it's done when its done" release strategy. I would bet my left butt cheek that virtually all of the commentators have never been paid a cent to develop anything and hence have no clue about how the real world works.

Don’t be so obviously ignorant with comments. I personally thought that Todds comments made were relatively constructive... though they may have still stung.
I couldnt wait around for Vb's mysterious release date and hence have had to use other forums for several projects I am working on as I couldnt give my customers rough release schedules (no one will pay a developer for a project that they can not give a schedule to).

[Wayne Luke]

At this point, all that will help me is the end product, I guess. It would be nice if there could be a pre-release that could be used to develop look and feel without fear of upward/downward compatibility, but I won't hold my breath.
Todd,

Our license allows you to install a development version of the software on your server. With this you can either install a new installation of vB3 for testing and development purposes or upgrade a backup of your existing vB2.3.2 forums for this purpose.

Also the development process of vBulletin 3.0 was something new for our company. It isn't a simply upgrade but a complete rewrite of the software including a new file structure, a new way of writing code and more efficient implementation. This along with some staff changes have caused the delays. However with vBulletin 3.0, the developers have created a more stable and extensible foundation on which to build for the future. Future upgrades are slated to be smaller and more incremental instead of building a completely new forum engine pretty much from the ground up. Originally vBulletin 3 was going to be based more on the vB2 code but that proved to be unfeasible in the long run.

[wacnstac]

I agree with the others on release date comments. We've been hearing about all these great features for over a year. My moderators are dying for a warning tracking system, and accountability for posts that are deleted. I have been waiting for integrated PayPal capability to automate paid levels within the site. If we have to wait too much longer to start adding paid users this way we may not have the money to re-up with vbulletin and will have to go with a free board.

Hell we haven't even seen updated templates for vb3 on the vbulletin site yet. That doesn't give me a warm fuzzy.

[poolking]

I'm sorry for those people who seem to think that my comments are ignorant.

Common sense tells you do not promise something that you cannot deliver, it makes you loose face, did Jelsoft ever promise a set in stone release date?

I think the reason why Jelsoft don't give rough release dates because they have seen others make the same mistakes.

I do live in the real world, just see a load of people not giving Jelsoft any breathing space.

wacnstac we have already been told that there are no updated templates yet, until at least Release Candidate.

I'm not a Jelsoft fanboy before anyone else chimes in. When I see an invidual/company being hard done by then I will say something.

Until people stop getting on Jelsoft's back at the slightest opportunity, I will carry on posting in this vein.

So please feel free to use the ignore button, if I get up some people's noses that much.

[Snowy]

very nicely said. Let them get on with it and when it arrives it arrives. Ok yes we all want it but dont you think they know this ? ?

Good things come to those who wait :)

[Mark Hensler]

I would bet my left butt cheek that virtually all of the commentators have never been paid a cent to develop anything and hence have no clue about how the real world works.I have worked in a corporate environment (fortune 500 company) as an outsourced "Web Developer". (I quit about 2 years ago.) While I never liked the corporate environment (cubicles and ties, yuk), I now see the value in its structure.

Jelsoft, to me, doesn't act like a professional business. It feels more like a group of unmanaged professionals working together. While the end product is professional... well, "The end doesn't justify the means."

I'm now involved in entrepreneurial undertakings (shorts and T-shirts, yeah!). You learn quick that you live and die by your word. While I made no promises (as Jelsoft hasn't), I did give an impression (as Jelsoft has, IMO). Unmet expectations are as equally damaging to a reputation as unfulfilled promises.

*waits for poolking's unqualified and unwarranted response*

[Freddie Bingham]

Beta 6 will be out next week if no unforseen problems come up (security breaches, etc).

[MrNase]

hey cool :)

thursday morning is the last day i can access vb.com :)
(no online access for me @ the isle i travel to :( )

[Snowy]

Beta 6 will be out next week if no unforseen problems come up (security breaches, etc).
That is great news guys, nice one for keeping us informed. :)

[poolking]

Hey Mark,

Maybe you should go and help them out with their structure. :)

Is that response unqualified and unwarranted enough for you? ;)


I call it as I see it, whether it is unqualified and/or unwarranted.

We make too many assumptions as to how we think Jelsoft is run.

They have a more "open" and "human" face, I think thats why they attract so much attention.

So come on let's give them some breathing space and not keep chastising them for past performance.

Let's look to the future and stop dredging up the past.

Maybe an "unqualified response" is called for in some respects.

I find that too many qualified people are too entrenched in one line of thinking and they will stick with it no matter what.

I think it's a case of common sense and business don't mix too well together.

Sorry if I offended you Mark, but I shoot from the hip.

You'll have to get used to it. :)

I think it is time to chill, we all get heated about this subject.

[selectah]

why doesnt everyone just shut up. Everytime i come on here looking for information related to the topic OF THE THREAD, all i and everyone else sees are stupid remarks about the makers of the software. Get a life.

[poolking]

why doesnt everyone just shut up. Everytime i come on here looking for information related to the topic OF THE THREAD, all i and everyone else sees are stupid remarks about the makers of the software. Get a life.
Dont add more fuel to the fire. ;)

[selectah]

yeah i know, i guess my reply was just as bad as some of the others.

Its a lovely day outside and i need to get some new footie boots, and a flat. lol.
I've not had any problems with version 3 b 5 but i cant figure out where the add new style button is. lol. Dumb or what.

[atrkyhntr]

check your admin ;) I belive

[AZone]

I didn't find this button too... :)

But it is there - Drop Down and "Add Child Style"

[selectah]

excellent, thanks for that :)

[AZone]

You are welcome.

[Glad Wrap]

I understand how hard it is for the vBteam working on v3.
But it's really simple, dont promise deadlines that you can't meet. If you're unsure, keep quiet.

[psx-dude]

yea, the q3f team (www.q3f.com) promised a new version, and they haven't delivered so i'm getting antzy. But vb, since there is no real deadline, i'm not too concerned.

[Snowy]

I But it's really simple, dont promise deadlines that you can't meet. If you're unsure, keep quiet.
I dont beleive they have promised anything nor given a date for rls. They may have speculated and got it wrong but such is life.

[poolking]

I understand how hard it is for the vBteam working on v3.
But it's really simple, dont promise deadlines that you can't meet. If you're unsure, keep quiet.The cycle starts again. Jelsoft never promised anything.

Best thing to do is stop adding fuel to the fire and stop going over the same ground over and over again.

Some of you are like a dog with a bone, won't let go.

[Mark Hensler]

Maybe you should go and help them out with their structure. :)

Is that response unqualified and unwarranted enough for you? ;) Believe it or not, I had sent in a job application maybe a year ago. I wont sit here and preach that I could have made their situation any better, that would be foolish. (I'm not management, so my presence would likely have changed nothing.) But that doesn't mean I don't think they could use better management.

Sorry if I offended you Mark, but I shoot from the hip.

You'll have to get used to it. :)Not a problem. My comment was stupid. I was reacting to seeing you respond to anything and everything.

[DarkDelight.net]

Are we still getting status updates?

[Snowy]

friends again :P lol

[DSSCandy]

Hey, Guyz,

I really want to know when will 3.0.0 b6 be release guys if there will be a b6 i mean & when is the RC going to be released?

Thank you,

[Koutaru]

I can't wait for RC! Nice work, of course, on vB3.

[Salazar]

I really want to know when will 3.0.0 b6 be release guys if there will be a b6 i mean & when is the RC going to be released?

Freddie told us already here (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showpost.php?p=521416&postcount=218).

I would like to say, that i really appreciate the work of the vbulletin team - no matter how long we have waited and will wait until vb 3.0 is finally being released. You are doing a great job! To run a board based on vbulletin is a matter of prestige and I'm proud to be a part of the vbulletin community.

Frankly, I think some people are overreacting a bit. Of course, I do wait for vb 3.0 as well! But hey... we have waited so long, a few weeks or even months don't hurt if we get an excellent product in exchange. :)

[Snowy]

Hey, Guyz,

I really want to know when will 3.0.0 b6 be release guys if there will be a b6 i mean & when is the RC going to be released?

Thank you,maybe take time and read all the posts ? ?

Have a look at post 218
Beta 6 will be out next week if no unforseen problems come up (security breaches, etc).

[Littlebit]

Wow!! I finally got brave and I did it...I'm playing with the awesome 3.0beta5 right now and am kicking myself for not diving in earlier.
It's something else! Awesome work guys and gals on the team!
Over half the hacks I had installed on vB2 are all incorporated into it...just cool.
The upgrade was smooth and very well explained....man, countless of hours must have been put into that script alone.
I ran into a weird issue later after messing with the style name, but it disappeared after trying so many things that I can't say what caused it exactly. I'm thinking I had some left over vB2 files I thought I'd deleted but didn't...I still don't know.
But all is great now and I wanted to give my thanks.
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Wolfe]

i can't wait to see the new desing :D

[Ordovicium]

i can't wait to see the new desing :D
I think you will see it, when the the RC Version coming out. Maybe Christmas ;)

[AZone]

Christmas?! I hope, you're wrong...

[LightBringer]

Quick question...


I'm chomping at the bit to get a website up and running and of course the drama between which version to use is there.

I would just like to know..if I have a fairly hacked v2.3.2 site up and running, would it be possible to upgrade to vb3.0 or will I lose my hacks and promptly be encouraged to start with a fresh install?

[Steve Machol]

Anytime you upgrade your hacks will be overwritten.

[Iguana]

@LightBringer: The hacks for vB 2.x will not work for vBulletin 3 anyway. Unless you are patient and can wait until the release of a vB3 RC, I don't think any hacks for vBulletin 3 will be released.

It's a good reason I do not hack my boards to the extreme. Upgrading is so easy... ^_^

[DarkDelight.net]

The hacks for vB 2.x will not work for vBulletin 3 anyway. Unless you are patient and can wait until the release of a vB3 RC, I don't think any hacks for vBulletin 3 will be released.

It's a good reason I do not hack my boards to the extreme. Upgrading is so easy... ^_^That's right. Some of us are already writing hacks for vB3 but they are not to be released until vB3 final.
Even the hack authors won't know if the hacks will still function if there are any changes to vB between now and a stable release.
I have had some interest in pm about my password log hack for example and this is exactly what I tell them.

[paolorulez]

Hi

a roadmap for VB 3.0.0 final edition, is possible?


Thanks
paolorulez

[LightBringer]

The only issue I see here is that alot of hack authors have stopped supporting vbulletin 2.x.x hacks so that they could proceed on to version 3.0.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that this is a sound investment for the community and mod community. Just makes things difficult when trying to start up a new site and uncertain of which direction to go.

Old version, dwindling support.
New version, beta upcoming support.

[Snowy]

Well personally i would go for the VB3 version as it has some of the basic hacks for vb2.x.x already installed such as the quick reply box for example.

As you say hacks are not coming out for vb2 now so that would also make my mind up, its not going to be way, way down the line for vb3 hacks so i would say go with the updated version of vb3. I have had to problems with it on my live board as most people so its safe i would say.