Trillian Skin

[tgillespie]

Anyone have a Trillian Pro skin that mimics the Mac OSX theme? Everything is skinned mac except for trillian.

[tgillespie]

also. Since installation of the Mac OSX theme, the quote <hr> bars on my site are almost invisible. If I revert to regular XP theme they appear white as normal. This is proabably a setting IE, any clue where to set it?

[CeleronXT]

That's because Mac uses a gray HR similar to the background of that site. I'm pretty sure there is no way to fix this..

[Radon3k]

Aqua Skin for Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/skins/skins.php?componentID=145).

[tgillespie]

thanks man

[TheForumHost.com]

It's great when PeeCee users even pretend they are on a Mac!!!!!

[tgillespie]

It's great when PeeCee users even pretend they are on a Mac!!!!!Its great isn't it. About the only thing worth using from a Mac is their style. One thing Mac could use from PC, is functionality. Watch this - http://www.ancientspear.com/mac.wmv

[MasterMac]

One thing Mac could use from PC, is functionality. Watch this - http://www.ancientspear.com/mac.wmv


lol, you're funny

[filburt1]

Its great isn't it. About the only thing worth using from a Mac is their style. One thing Mac could use from PC, is functionality. Watch this - http://www.ancientspear.com/mac.wmv
Yeah, you definitely need to use a Mac that's been manufactured in the last three years...

[Bema Jinn]

Its great isn't it. About the only thing worth using from a Mac is their style. One thing Mac could use from PC, is functionality. Watch this - http://www.ancientspear.com/mac.wmv
xD that's great!

[TheForumHost.com]

Its great isn't it. About the only thing worth using from a Mac is their style. One thing Mac could use from PC, is functionality. Watch this - http://www.ancientspear.com/mac.wmv

see that would be impossable for Apple to lack functioality considering Windoze was stolen from Apple. The main difference is, Uncle Bill still hasn't figured out how to remove the bugs 10 years later. Try pulling out your hard drive and putting it into another computer. I bet you find the function called fatal crash. Now ofcourse on a Mac, It would boot first try... Man I love lacking functionality then :-D

[tgillespie]

Yeah, you definitely need to use a Mac that's been manufactured in the last three years...I actually have, and still had bad experiences with them. First:

In my high school multimedia class we we're trying to capture video to adobe premier 5. The program was not able to see the camera, so we called adobe and we downloaded updates. Still did not work so they determined it was a problem with OS9, rather than premier. So we called apple. They insisted it was premier and had us go try it on iMovie. Still did not see the camera. They gave us an update and guess what, it worked. Thats good huh? No, because every time we restarted the computer, extensions would fook up and we we're back to where we started.

Finally I talked the teacher into leting me take the camera home and try my PC. I pluged the camera in to firewire, BAM, XP installed its driver and premier recognized it immediatly.


Second, I took Cinema 4D in high school multimedia 2. The program ran swell. Had a great experience, other than a few crashes. Probably due to maxing the system recources out. But anyways, it came time to compile our movie. We setup a beefy G4 with 1 GB of memory and kick ass ATI Radeon Card, think 9800 Pro. So we start rendering and the bitch takes some 84+ hours to render. We stoped it and I began discussing what we we're rendering (poly count, fps, res) with some modeling geeks on my site, and they claimed it would of taken around 8 hours on a PC with 3D Studio Max 5.

Ok, so we decided to wait out the 84+ hour render, but we wanted to render the movie on a different mac as this one needed to be used. So we are in the process of moving file via Apple Talk (i think) and it quits for some odd reason. For some GAY ass reason the file was partially on one mac and partially on the other. Unable to put it together again, we we're forced to render a backup of the movie we had made last week, causing one weeks work lost.

Screw mac and everything todo with them.... besides their look :)

[merk]

...Windoze was stolen from Apple...

Windows was "stolen" from IBM. Not Apple.

And it wasnt really stolen, they simply exploited a stupid hole that IBM left in their contract with Microsoft.

[TheForumHost.com]

Windows was "stolen" from IBM. Not Apple.

And it wasnt really stolen, they simply exploited a stupid hole that IBM left in their contract with Microsoft.

nahhh.. that was M$ DOS....

[merk]

nahhh.. that was M$ DOS....

Oh was it? Considering Microsoft was devloping OS/2, which wasnt dos.

[tgillespie]

see that would be impossable for Apple to lack functioality considering Windoze was stolen from Apple. The main difference is, Uncle Bill still hasn't figured out how to remove the bugs 10 years later. Try pulling out your hard drive and putting it into another computer. I bet you find the function called fatal crash. Now ofcourse on a Mac, It would boot first try... Man I love lacking functionality then :-DOk..... We swap hard drives at my school all the time. Find a mac that you can swap 5 scuzy drives all mirrored within a matter of seconds.

Bill didnt steal ****. He simply marketed the software he was given by two geeks.

[TheForumHost.com]

Ok..... We swap hard drives at my school all the time. Find a mac that you can swap 5 scuzy drives all mirrored within a matter of seconds.

Bill didnt steal ****. He simply marketed the software he was given by two geeks.

sure same exact config it MIGHT work.. Unlike a PeeCee.. I can take a hard drive out of my G4, pull out my old performa 6360 from 5 years ago and it will boot OS9.2 no problem. Which is darn good considering the OS that shipped with the 6360/6400 was 7.6.... Try doing that with a PeeCee.. bet you don't even get safe mode!

Also with a signature to your business you should tone down your language that it don't cause your posts to go "****". I mean after all it only reflects you and your company. Heated debates can be done without uncalled for profanity.

[tgillespie]

sure same exact config it MIGHT work.. Unlike a PeeCee.. I can take a hard drive out of my G4, pull out my old performa 6360 from 5 years ago and it will boot OS9.2 no problem. Which is darn good considering the OS that shipped with the 6360/6400 was 7.6.... Try doing that with a PeeCee.. bet you don't even get safe mode!

Also with a signature to your business you should tone down your language that it don't cause your posts to go "****". I mean after all it only reflects you and your company. Heated debates can be done without uncalled for profanity.Ok. Any more suggestions on how to run a business that isn't even mine?

What are your answers to my long post on why macs suck? They just do, don't they :D

[TheForumHost.com]

What are your answers to my long post on why macs suck? They just do, don't they :D


Well considering I never heard nor read this from anywhere else nor have ever had a problem with any Adobe, Macromedia or any Apple media type product myself first hand, I personally think your just making stuff up as you go along as you dig your ditch deeper and deeper while you think your filling it.

There are many reveiws, even in PC Mags were the G4 smokes the XEON hands down in both Premire and Photoshop, sure don't hear about these crashes there. Which I'm sure you would considering how biased a PeeCee mag would want to be towards a XEON.

[tgillespie]

How am I digging myself a hole errrrm, ditch?? I am merly stating my personal experience with macs. Lets hear your bad experiences with a PC, and then let me tell you your lying :rolleyes:

[filburt1]

I actually have, and still had bad experiences with them. First:

In my high school multimedia class we we're trying to capture video to adobe premier 5. The program was not able to see the camera, so we called adobe and we downloaded updates. Still did not work so they determined it was a problem with OS9, rather than premier. So we called apple. They insisted it was premier and had us go try it on iMovie. Still did not see the camera. They gave us an update and guess what, it worked. Thats good huh? No, because every time we restarted the computer, extensions would fook up and we we're back to where we started.

Finally I talked the teacher into leting me take the camera home and try my PC. I pluged the camera in to firewire, BAM, XP installed its driver and premier recognized it immediatly.


Second, I took Cinema 4D in high school multimedia 2. The program ran swell. Had a great experience, other than a few crashes. Probably due to maxing the system recources out. But anyways, it came time to compile our movie. We setup a beefy G4 with 1 GB of memory and kick ass ATI Radeon Card, think 9800 Pro. So we start rendering and the bitch takes some 84+ hours to render. We stoped it and I began discussing what we we're rendering (poly count, fps, res) with some modeling geeks on my site, and they claimed it would of taken around 8 hours on a PC with 3D Studio Max 5.

Ok, so we decided to wait out the 84+ hour render, but we wanted to render the movie on a different mac as this one needed to be used. So we are in the process of moving file via Apple Talk (i think) and it quits for some odd reason. For some GAY ass reason the file was partially on one mac and partially on the other. Unable to put it together again, we we're forced to render a backup of the movie we had made last week, causing one weeks work lost.

Screw mac and everything todo with them.... besides their look :)

I agree with the Premiere problems in OS X/OS 9...Premiere just sucks in stability for me and I had video capture problems in both Mac and Windows. Also, anything on OS 9 is horrible. I wouldn't have even considered getting my iBook if OS X didn't exist.

As for the second...well, Apple's nearly done with AppleTalk and using Rendezvous instead, although I have no experiences with it. If both the computers had firewire then you could have done a direct computer-to-computer transfer...at 400 MBits/sec.

Video editing is still pretty frustrating on any platform.

[CeleronXT]

Sure, swapping hard drives between Mac's is easy, because they all have generally the same hardware. You can swap a PC drive between computers with the same hardware too, no sweat. In fact, this computer right now is using a drive I swapped out of another one, and it had an entirely different configuration. Not one piece was the same save the CD drive.

[filburt1]

BTW, before this thread gets closed, the choice is obviously a matter of personal preference. There is no one perfect platform, and both Windows and Macs are still far from it.

[Vile]

It's great when PeeCee users even pretend they are on a Mac!!!!!
I've said it before, and I'll say it again..Mac = Eyecandy.
Apple definitely does a good job with the actual apperance. That's why people like the look of it.

[squall14716]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again..Mac = Eyecandy.
Apple definitely does a good job with the actual apperance. That's why people like the look of it.
And what's up with those one button mice?

[TheForumHost.com]

How am I digging myself a hole errrrm, ditch?? I am merly stating my personal experience with macs. Lets hear your bad experiences with a PC, and then let me tell you your lying :rolleyes:


Yes that would be correct, I would be lying if I told of a personal experince as I have always lived M$ free... I am strictly Mac/RH/FreeBSD If it wasn't for pictures in magazines, I wouldn't even know they had a start button....

[CeleronXT]

Well then if you've always lived M$ free, then you can't tout Mac > Windows.

[Andy Z]

I use both Mac and PC. I use a Mac (Dual 1.25 Ghz PowerMac G4) as my primary computer. Before that (and now it is a secondary computer for me) I had a custom built 2.4 Ghz P4 system w/ XP pro. I personally prefer the Mac now that I have used it with OS X for a while. I still use the PC for games that aren't released for OS X (even though its graphic card it 3X better). I also use my PC for a few other odds and ends. My XP has crashed and so has my Mac, even though many on both sides have run theirs w/o crashes for months on end. There are a few quirks in OS X for me, and most of them will be fixed or compensated for on te .3 release of OS X.
So it is a matter of personal preference, and I have moved to Apple.
I have used MS products since 1990, starting off with DOS (4 or 5.0) and have used all consumer versions of Windows (no NT) and 2K, so I have experiences with Windows just as much as the next person and then some.

[MasterMac]

I agree with the Premiere problems in OS X/OS 9...Premiere just sucks in stability for me and I had video capture problems in both Mac and Windows. Also, anything on OS 9 is horrible. I wouldn't have even considered getting my iBook if OS X didn't exist.

As for the second...well, Apple's nearly done with AppleTalk and using Rendezvous instead, although I have no experiences with it. If both the computers had firewire then you could have done a direct computer-to-computer transfer...at 400 MBits/sec.

Video editing is still pretty frustrating on any platform.

Exactly. If you hadn't posted that I definately would have :p

tgillespie, how about an actual experience with OS X (higher than 10.1 at least)? Any 'bad experiences' with those? If not I can always go and find some of the millions of "bad experiences" people have had with Windows98 and lower ;)

[TheForumHost.com]

Exactly. If you hadn't posted that I definately would have :p

tgillespie, how about an actual experience with OS X (higher than 10.1 at least)? Any 'bad experiences' with those? If not I can always go and find some of the millions of "bad experiences" people have had with Windows98 and lower ;)


*cheers* MM :D

[Vile]

And what's up with those one button mice?
Well, you can get two button mice for Apples, but yeah I agree, the one button version is a PITA.

[CeleronXT]

But doesn't the second button do nothing if you get a two button mouse though? (Wouldn't know, I've only used it with one button) You'd think that after all this time, Apple might just add a second damn button?

[tgillespie]

Exactly. If you hadn't posted that I definately would have :p

tgillespie, how about an actual experience with OS X (higher than 10.1 at least)? Any 'bad experiences' with those? If not I can always go and find some of the millions of "bad experiences" people have had with Windows98 and lower ;)Why do you compare OSX to windows 98, 95, & 3.1? You should be comparing OS8 to them, as they we're in the same era. I've used OSX (10) for Cinema 4D and it wasn't all it was hyped up to be. Granted, macs do seem to handle video a little better but I still had many quarks. Its most likely that I like PCs more because I am more familiar with them. But I have also given macs a chance (didnt have a choice at school) and still have not become fond of them.

[MasterMac]

But doesn't the second button do nothing if you get a two button mouse though? (Wouldn't know, I've only used it with one button) You'd think that after all this time, Apple might just add a second damn button?
The second button is simulated by pressing the Control key and then clicking, but if you have a two button mouse (which I do ;)) then the right click works just as it should

[Vile]

Why do you compare OSX to windows 98, 95, & 3.1?
They compare OSX to Windows 9x, becuase they know that Windows 9x & below, are the only unstable versions, unlike NT 5. ;)
Why on earth would anyone want to make a fair comparison?

[tgillespie]

They compare OSX to Windows 9x, becuase they know that Windows 9x & below, are the only unstable versions, unlike NT 5. ;)
Why on earth would anyone want to make a fair comparison?But they can't be serious in comparing the two can they? I was almost dumb founded, then again I might of thought they we're joking :confused:

[squall14716]

Personally, any mouse I had that had less than 3 buttons would be hung off a tree limb as decoration. Right clicking and using a scroll wheel has become second nature and I wouldn't have it any other way.

[MasterMac]

Your experience you told was with OS 9, which is already a "dead" OS, that's why I brought up the 9x series

[tgillespie]

Well, what about my rendering experience with OSX? Wasn't fun waiting 84+ hours when it most likely could of been built and rendered on a PC using 3D Studio Max or Maya in half the time.

[MasterMac]

Well, what about my rendering experience with OSX? Wasn't fun waiting 84+ hours when it most likely could of been built and rendered on a PC using 3D Studio Max or Maya in half the time.
I highly doubt that was because of OS X. It was either the software you were using or the hardware.

[tgillespie]

I highly doubt that was because of OS X. It was either the software you were using or the hardware.I think it was a combination of OSX, a mac program, and a mac computer. The program runs excellent on PC, but I believe they stoped developing it after version 7 for PC. But for a movie to take 84+ hours to render, is disgusting.

[MasterMac]

I think it was a combination of OSX, a mac program, and a mac computer. The program runs excellent on PC, but I believe they stoped developing it after version 7 for PC. But for a movie to take 84+ hours to render, is disgusting.
I'd be interested to see how fast it renders with a Dual 2GHz G5 with OS 10.3 and whatever the latest version of the app is that you were using :p

[tgillespie]

It probably would run hella better, but my school was to cheap to purchase anything new.

[CeleronXT]

Your experience you told was with OS 9, which is already a "dead" OS, that's why I brought up the 9x seriesThe same goes for WIndows 98. So why must people keep bringing that back into the picture too? Strictly 2000/XP vs OSX

I'd be interested to see how fast it renders with a Dual 2GHz G5 with OS 10.3 and whatever the latest version of the app is that you were using :p
A Mac, or any computer at that, shouldn't need to have the best hardware in it to render video in a semi-reasonable timeframe.

[MasterMac]

The same goes for WIndows 98. So why must people keep bringing that back into the picture too? Strictly 2000/XP vs OSX

IIRC, I wasn't the first one to bring up "dead" OS's :p


A Mac, or any computer at that, shouldn't need to have the best hardware in it to render video in a semi-reasonable timeframe.


Fine, lets test it on a 1.6GHz G5 ;)

[tgillespie]

IIRC, I wasn't the first one to bring up "dead" OS's :p





Fine, lets test it on a 1.6GHz G5 ;)IIRC it was 1.3 G4 wich SHOULD render video just fine, if macs truley are a better video editing computer. I think not.

[MasterMac]

IIRC it was 1.3 G4 wich SHOULD render video just fine, if macs truley are a better video editing computer. I think not.

I don't know much about video editing or the specifics of your special situation so I can't really say exactly why it took that long to render but my best guess would either be the software you were using or there was something wrong with the hardware, but again I highly doubt that it took that long just because of the OS because if it was then why would tons of people still be buying Macs for stuff like this if it's so obvious that they are "that" slow?