vBulletin 3.0.0 Beta 4 Released - Discuss

[Kier]

Discuss away... :)

If you are having a specific problem, please post in the appropriate forum rather than this thread. It will make keeping track of things easier. Thanks!

[fury]

First post! :D

[Weasel]

Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!

Umm..When will Beta 5 be out?

;) ;)

[Brad.loo]

Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!

Umm..When will Beta 5 be out?

;) ;)
Love the idea with the upgrade/install scripts!. And the new cp style looks great, please keep it up guys, cant wait for the gold release! :)

[Kier]

Try out the color picker in the style manager... :)

[assassingod]

:D Been waitin' ages for it.

[Moonlight]

The readme.html file is the same as the one in Beta 3... Maybe a little update to say Beta 4 would be good...

[shadow77]

Yeah, the idea with the upgrade/install scripts is a really good idea. I'm uploading the files right now, can't wait to see the new admin style! :cool:

[Floris]

Great work again dev team! as always :) Can't wait to see what beta 5 brings. (After I am done going through beta 4)

[Kier]

Yeah, the idea with the upgrade/install scripts is a really good idea. I'm uploading the files right now, can't wait to see the new admin style! :cool:Allow me to preview for you... ;)

[cka]

Ah, sweet. Lookin forward to see what's new. :)

[Dr Shark]

Cool, i'm uploading the files now, then i'm going to upgrade my testvb.

Good job vB team.

[Duke of Lions]

First post! :D


I found out about it first.....

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?p=483813#post483813

downloading now....

[Wolfe]

how come when i upload some new files are smaller than the previous did you get rid of uneeded or wanted code ?

[IDN]

The style doesn't look good IMO, no offense, hope that is not what gold looks like :)

[Wolfe]

The style doesn't look good IMO, no offense, hope that is not what gold looks like :)
what style you on about d00d

[cka]

what style you on about d00d
The new admin panel style, which I find rather cool looking.

[IDN]

The silver one, atleast from what he showed us

[Wolfe]

Try out the color picker in the style manager... :)
Kier do i need to replace the db_mysql.php and the config.php files or is there no changes in them


and can i delete the install folder after the upgrade or is that needed :D

[Kier]

There are now three control panel styles provided in the vBulletin 3 zip, each demonstrating a different way to tackle styling the control panel, the idea being that people who are interested see how easy it is to re-style the control panel and make their own styles, maybe even allowing other people to download them.

[Steve Machol]

Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!

Umm..When will Beta 5 be out?

;) ;)
That's it. No Beta 5 for you and you're grounded for 4 weeks! ;)

[freaky]

does beta 4 include the fixes found in the fixes and patches forum?

[Kier]

Kier do i need to replace the db_mysql.php and the config.php files or is there no changes in them


and can i delete the install folder after the upgrade or is that needed :D
Don't delete the install folder, just delete install.php and upgrade1.php after you have used them.

You should overwrite all the files except config.php.

[IDN]

I hope so! :(

Can't wait to see the other new styles :P

[S.Shady]

i cant log into my admincp and im getting errors everywere :-\

[Kier]

does beta 4 include the fixes found in the fixes and patches forum?
The vast majority of them, yes.

Certainly all the ones that would require you to alter the code or run a query.

[Wolfe]

Don't delete the install folder, just delete install.php and upgrade1.php after you have used them.

You should overwrite all the files except config.php.

np's d00d what is the install folder used for after the upgrade

[Kier]

i cant log into my admincp and im getting errors everywere :-\
Could you be a little more specific than 'errors everywhere'?

[Kier]

Certain scripts reference the mysql-schema kept in that folder... that's the main thing.

[IDN]

Don't delete the install folder, just delete install.php and upgrade1.php after you have used them.

You should overwrite all the files except config.php.
Why not? I have always deleted that folder and had no problems, hopfully :P

[Kier]

^ ^ ^

[S.Shady]

Could you be a little more specific than 'errors everywhere'? sorry.

ok as for the admin cp i cant not log in it will say this
Thank you for logging in, Shady.
and take me right back to the log in screen.

then with the mod cp i get this error
Fatal error: Call to undefined function: print_cp_login() in /home/srorg/public_html/forums/modcp/global.php on line 76


nopw i am getting this

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: fetch_coventry() in /home/srorg/public_html/forums/forumdisplay.php on line 441

[bgtking]

NVM... figured it out

[S.Shady]

i had to press the link on the page that gets stuck

[IDN]

Nice anti-piracy messure! I like! A++ Jelsoft

[[Fx]AssAssiN]

....download....going.......so........slow......
Nice release
Hope I can stay logged into admincp now :)

[Attrox]

The CP looks a lot nicer, nice work on that. :)

[S.Shady]

i wish i could log in :(

[Steve Machol]

S.Shady and everyone else. Please post any specific errors or problems in a new thread so they don't get lost in this discussion.

[S.Shady]

i just realized that and already strted to make the new thread :)

[Duke of Lions]

Preview:

http://www.wyswert.net/forum/

Will be changing styles all the time.... please post in the test forum if you like....

[Dotagious]

does beta 4 include the fixes found in the fixes and patches forum?

:wavey:

[Dan]

dang it.... crashes my ie 5.0 in win98se

[Duke of Lions]

That's it. No Beta 5 for you and you're grounded for 4 weeks! ;)

How about for me then? I found out about it first? Do I get priority download?;):p;)

[OmaniMan]

Is there any new template that created brother ??

[Duke of Lions]

Is there any new template that created brother ??

:o
Only your mother & father can do that......

:p

[OmaniMan]

:confused: What is that mean !!

[Duke of Lions]

brother
Let me tell you about the birds and the bees and my...:confused:



No, only joking....

You can alter the border colors easy in the admincp...
I'll be changing styles for an hour or so....
If you want to have a look http://www.wyswert.net/forum/

[ShadyNight]

I tell ya, I go for naps and come back to it having been released AND "Temporarily unavailable, please check back in a few minutes..." I CAN'T DOWNLOAD IT! :P

See last time I did this (went for naps) I ended up with firewall issues! hehe

Please hurry and get the download back up!! Please? :D

[Hobbes]

this PWNZ!!!!!!

AWESOME goodjob :D

[[Fx]AssAssiN]

uploading now :D

[Duke of Lions]

I'll be changing styles for an hour or so....
If you want to have a look http://www.wyswert.net/forum/

user = testuser
password = testuser

If you guys wanna see what posting options there are...

[XYPHEN]

the readme file still says Beta 3, jus thought i should let u know... anywayz i have been waiting for this!

GOOD JOB!

[[Fx]AssAssiN]

w00t
www.clan-fx.com/forum is offically running vB3 Beta 4 :)

[Wolfe]

Kier is it possible to set a default avatar if none is seletected if so how :D

[fury]

All upgraded! http://smilies.xibase.com/beerbang.gif

[Mac Write]

After expanding a section on the left, clicking the link doesn't load a page. and IE completely crashes trying to load the admincp (not to metion does a poor job at rendering the css)

I cheated and copied the link, and the new color pallet doesn't work at all for me >:)

[reefland]

Just wondering if we can get a quick recap on files and templates that were modified, deleted or added.

Also I am a little concerned about the new showthread URL; a lot of boards have posts with links to other threads (i.e. this has already been asked, look here). Will the old URL with threadid still function?

Thanks and again, great work!

[sabret00the]

great update, just wondering and i know you get asked this all the time but still, i'll ask for myself any idea if you'll changing the templates (deleting/adding any)? and do you also know when we're likely to get the finished vb3 default styleset?

[TheForumHost.com]

Do all the files need to be uploaded to update from vB3 b3 to vB3 b4? Also what update script do you run? The read me only has how to do a fresh install or how to upgrade from vB 2.x. Noting on updating from a different version beta.

[Elmer]

Upgraded! now, do i have to revert any edited template?????

[Duke of Lions]

Do all the files need to be uploaded to update from vB3 b3 to vB3 b4? Also what update script do you run? The read me only has how to do a fresh install or how to upgrade from vB 2.x. Noting on updating from a different version beta.
Just point your browser to...

http://www.yourboard.net/forum/upgrade.php

Well, you could leave out images/vBulletin_logo.gif :p

[Ryan McBain]

The vast majority of them, yes.

Certainly all the ones that would require you to alter the code or run a query.

is the quote bug fixed? in beta 3 i would get
Quote: Originally Posted by 5
7

[Duke of Lions]

is the quote bug fixed? in beta 3 i would get
Quote: Originally Posted by 5
7

Judging from the top right corner, I would say yep

[Duke of Lions]

Also I am a little concerned about the new showthread URL; a lot of boards have posts with links to other threads (i.e. this has already been asked, look here). Will the old URL with threadid still function?

Thanks and again, great work!

Did for me...

http://www.wyswert.net/forum/showthread.php?t=189

[Erwin]

Upgraded - looks great. :)

[Semperfidelis]

Great effort
Thanks to all the devs and all the members who identified bugs
:)

[insanctus]

I like the new cp. Update went with out a trouble and my portal still works on it as well. *is a good thing*

[IDN]

Not that i know of, but there are template edits, such as the new who's online

[XYPHEN]

yay quote problem fixed!! :D

[Russell]

Just a small note - on Safari on Mac OSX you have to click on the actual table cell around the link in the adminCP to use them, clicking on the text doesn't load anything.

Not a problem - just a solution for people who are doing the "what the?" thing.

[rake]

It looks nice so far. I can't wait to compare the files to the Beta 3 ones and see what exactly has changed.

[lostsoul2k]

In vbulletin3 beta 4 is the template Coding finished so that if i buy i can make a style and it won't get inturupted or wait till it is finished

[Glad Wrap]

yeah, when can I take my knife to vB and have a finished version to cut open and modify and intergrate with my site?

well reasonably finished anyway

[Pascal_S]

is the quote bug fixed? in beta 3 i would get
Quote: Originally Posted by 5
7


YEPP :D
See it @ Pic

[gab1982]

the readme says beta 3 :S not beta 4 :D

[SmartGnome]

You did a great job guys !!

Now I can try a new install, my server crashed last night :(

Any chance to restore a VB2 backup in VB3 directly ? Or becomes this a free weekend of working :D

@ Duke of Lions

Ik zou wel eens willen weten --- Jules de Korte


Cheers

[Pie]

The style doesn't look good IMO, no offense, hope that is not what gold looks like :)
agree there

[poolking]

Haven't we been told by the developers several times that the style wouldn't be finalised until at least the RC so why the complaints about the style still?

[Wayne Luke]

Do all the files need to be uploaded to update from vB3 b3 to vB3 b4? Also what update script do you run? The read me only has how to do a fresh install or how to upgrade from vB 2.x. Noting on updating from a different version beta.
With vB3, you always run upgrade.php to upgrade regardless of what Beta you are on or whether you were on vBulletin 2.X before. The upgrade.php will determine what steps are needed for a full upgrade process to run properly.

[Duke of Lions]

You did a great job guys !!

Now I can try a new install, my server crashed last night :(

Any chance to restore a VB2 backup in VB3 directly ? Or becomes this a free weekend of working :D

@ Duke of Lions

Ik zou wel eens willen weten --- Jules de Korte


Cheers

I guess I would download 2.3.0 install it, back up database, then upgrade to vb 3.0.0 4.

But you have to start a new thread to discuss it...

Ik doe niks en ik doe niks.... ik krap wat aan mijn kont ~ De Dijk

PS I am not affiliated with vBulletin in one way or the other, just a happy user...

[Pie]

Haven't we been told by the developers several times that the style wouldn't be finalised until at least the RC so why the complaints about the style still?
yes, but if Jelsoft know that no one is impressed, they'll change it. If they think people ARE impressed then they wont. Makes logical sense to say full feelings

[poolking]

yes, but if Jelsoft know that no one is impressed, they'll change it. If they think people ARE impressed then they wont. Makes logical sense to say full feelings

They are changing it anyway as they stated months ago, they'll change it when the templates have been finalised.

[Mainer82]

Thank you for giving us the option for the old ACP style! :)

[centris]

Upgrade went ok but at the install language it said WAIT, I did, I went and made a cup of coffee and it still said wait? Anyway I clicked continue and everything went ok.

I wonder what the correct transfer mode (FTP) is for .js, HTC, css, and xml files is. I use Ascii for php, js etc. so whats the correct mode for all these files?

EDIT: Just noticed, show all users still broken in quick search, also at the bottom of the page, Order by Options also seems broken, search (Username, Ascending)(No Users Matched Your Query)

[Joe Gronlund]

1 Request - Text is to big in top left in ACP (see screenshot)

1 Issue - Cant see latest vB version in very top ACP, using 800x600, I could see it fine in beta 2 builds - (see screenshot)

(please dont say switch youre resolution, many many people use 800x600 and i cant use anything besides 800x600 without getting a major headache)
--- screenshot attached ---

[Mainer82]

1 Request - Text is to big in top left in ACP (see screenshot)

1 Issue - Cant see latest vB version in very top ACP, using 800x600, I could see it fine in beta 2 builds - (see screenshot)

(please dont say switch youre resolution, many many people use 800x600 and i cant use anything besides 800x600 without getting a major headache)
--- screenshot attached ---
Get a better/bigger monitor..... The only people that still use 800x600 are older people or people that don't know how to make their res. bigger....

[Iwk_Batterio]

I don't undestand :confused:

I'm running v.2.3.0 so for updating to vB3.0.0 beta 4 i'll do:

1. upload all files without remove the old one
2. and then use /install/update.php

please help me, thx ;)

[Wayne Luke]

1 Request - Text is to big in top left in ACP (see screenshot)

1 Issue - Cant see latest vB version in very top ACP, using 800x600, I could see it fine in beta 2 builds - (see screenshot)

(please dont say switch youre resolution, many many people use 800x600 and i cant use anything besides 800x600 without getting a major headache)
--- screenshot attached ---
It is because of the new logout link on the far righthand side.

Unfortunately there isn't much that can be done except removing redundant text like "Admin Control Panel" or changing "Go to your forum's homepage" to something like "Launch Forums".

You can make these changes yourself by editing the phrases in the system.

[Joe Gronlund]

Get a better/bigger monitor..... The only people that still use 800x600 are older people or people that don't know how to make their res. bigger....bigger and better?? lol 21" sony trinitron,
what would you like me to get?? , it should be compatible with 800x600 like it was in beta 2 , there is no reason for it not to be..

I need 800x600 because i have a dislocated lense in my left eye and i get major headaches with it at anything higher resolution

[Joe Gronlund]

It is because of the new logout link on the far righthand side.

Unfortunately there isn't much that can be done except removing redundant text like "Admin Control Panel" or changing "Go to your forum's homepage" to something like "Launch Forums".

You can make these changes yourself by editing the phrases in the system.


Thanks wayne, i will probably end up doing that :cool: :)

[TGO]

I'd just like to say great job in getting the colour swatches feature back into the admin control panel and having the option to remove the session timeout..now I'm 100% satisfied :D

[Floris]

If you upgrade from 2.x to 3.x
REMOVE all the 2.x files, - just don't remove the database.

[Iwk_Batterio]

If you upgrade from 2.x to 3.x
REMOVE all the 2.x files, - just don't remove the database.

mmm, are you sure?

It doesn't work! Don't remove config.php !!!

[bahawolf]

mmm, are you sure?

It doesn't work! Don't remove config.php !!!
Yes it does, and then you run http://www.yourdomain.com/install/upgrade.php

[Lord Man]

What's the new templates in B4
and is there any templates changed ?

[Shaede]

I don't get it...the quotes on my beta testing board are kinda unworking.

http://www.castlereshka.com/betavbb/showthread.php?t=5

Is this a bug or did I mess something up? :confused:

[reefland]

The only template I could see that was changed out of all the templates I have modified was the WHOSONLINE template.

[dsotmoon]

is the quote bug fixed? in beta 3 i would get
Quote: Originally Posted by 5
7


I upgraded my test board and it is still doing this on replies ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

[hockyfan]

For the admin CP styles, when you change it, is it changed for all the admins? If so, is there a way each admin can choose their own styles?

h

[new registrant]

I just upgraded from 2.3.0 to 3.0 B4.

For some reason, the WYSIWYG panel and Clickable Smilies don't appear. Do I have some error in settings here or something? I've gone through the options many times and it seems to be in order. :confused:

[Duke of Lions]

user = testuser
password = testuser

If you guys wanna see what posting options there are...
Account disabled....

[SharkMatt]

has the email queue system been change on beta4?

[poolking]

I just upgraded from 2.3.0 to 3.0 B4.

For some reason, the WYSIWYG panel and Clickable Smilies don't appear. Do I have some error in settings here or something? I've gone through the options many times and it seems to be in order. :confused:

For clickable smilies you have to put smilies into that category.

For the WYSIWYG editor:

Admin CP > Options > Message Posting Interface Options > Enable Standard & WYSIWYG Controls.

Then go to your User CP

Options > Use vBCode quick links on your message input screens? > Show Enhanced (WYSIWYG) Toolbar

[nawialkair]

Hi
If I translate VB 3.0 Beta 4, will I loose the translation when I install beta 5??



Thanks

[Lumina]

Hello,

Working on a translation, I would like to know which templates have changed from Beta 3 to Beta 4 ?

Thank you very much.

[Dragon_IBA]

Just curious as to whether or not there is a user guide available at all for V3 yet?. I have not upgraded yet but am getting ready to, I would just like to be able to "read" about the new features and processes before I get going on it. My BB system is pretty time sensitive and I dont have the luxury of having my own servers to do testing on. Just wondering if ther is documentation included in the download, or available that sort of "spells out the new features and changes" from 2.X.

Thanks in advance

[Linus]

Regarding the extension of expired licenses, does it apply to everyone ? If so, mine still writes as expired

[Steve Machol]

Linus, send an email to support@vbulletin.com about your license.

Also anyone having specific problems should start there own threads with all the necessary details.

[new registrant]

For clickable smilies you have to put smilies into that category.

For the WYSIWYG editor:

Admin CP > Options > Message Posting Interface Options > Enable Standard & WYSIWYG Controls.

Then go to your User CP

Options > Use vBCode quick links on your message input screens? > Show Enhanced (WYSIWYG) Toolbar

Thanks. It works fine now. :)

[Lord Man]

Hello,

Working on a translation, I would like to know which templates have changed from Beta 3 to Beta 4 ?

Thank you very much.
no 1 know that ?!

[havefun]

hi vb-team!

like the b4 with the new features.

thanks for that great work!! :D

can't wait for the final..

[Steve Machol]

no 1 know that ?!
Since we've always said the style and templates in the beta are temporary, it doesn't make much sense to put together a comprehensive changelog just yet.

[DirectPixel]

Hello,

Working on a translation, I would like to know which templates have changed from Beta 3 to Beta 4 ?

Thank you very much.
IIRC, most all of the translation text is in the phrase system.

C'est bon, le francais.

[new registrant]

I upgraded my test board and it is still doing this on replies ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
This also happened to me for some reason. Anyone else getting this weird quote bug where it displays 5 as the user and 7 as the quote?

:confused:

[DirectPixel]

This also happened to me for some reason. Anyone else getting this weird quote bug where it displays 5 as the user and 7 as the quote?

:confused:
There was a bug in the original vB3 install file that put in bogus info for the BBCodes.

You will have to replace most of your BBCodes thru the AdminCP.

[new registrant]

Oh. I see. What are the parameters that I should replace them with?

For Simple Email Linking, it currently says:

<a href="mailto:2">2</a>

For Advanced Email Linking, it says:

<a href="mailto:5">7</a>

Simple Quote:


<blockquote>
<span class="smallfont">Quote:</span>
<hr size="1" />2
<hr size="1" />
</blockquote>


Quote w/ Username:


<blockquote>
<span class="smallfont">Quote:</span>
<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by <b>5</b>
<br />
<i>7</i>
<hr size="1" />
</blockquote>

[Steve Machol]

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73919

[DirectPixel]

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73919
Specifically, for those (like me) who are too lazy to scroll, http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showpost.php?p=471866&postcount=6

[new registrant]

Thanks guys. The community here is great. :)

[rinkrat]

I'm having a brain lock. I'm looking for the silver adminCP style and I can't find it anywhere. It says to click options and it's there but I don't see it?

[Cary]

Admin CP --> vBulletin Options --> Admin Control Panel Settings :)

[DirectPixel]

Admin CP --> vBulletin Options --> Admin Control Panel Settings :)
Alternatively, go to http://www.yourforums.com/admincp

In your admincp login box, click on 'options' ;)

[TraceyPRO]

I keep getting an error during my upgrade from vB 3 beta 3 to vB 3 beta 4....



Database error in vBulletin 3.0.0 Beta 3:

Invalid SQL:
INSERT INTO session
(sessionhash, userid, host, idhash, lastactivity, location, styleid
###REPLACE1###
)
VALUES
('44b287fd100e0414f968a7de886d1df2', 1,
'65.128.140.138', 'b25b00dec17dba3c19d31cfbd7a8156c',
1056953392, '/discuss/install/upgrade2.php', 0
###REPLACE2###
)

mysql error: The table 'session' is full

mysql error number: 1114


This happens right when I enter my customer number and am redirected.

[Steve Machol]

Run this query in phpMyAdmin:

DELETE FROM session;

[TraceyPRO]

Thanks Steve! That did the trick :)

[sean335]

I uploaded the files, but now when i try to access the admin cp or run the upgrade script, it give me:

Parse error: parse error in /MY PATH/httpdocs/forum/includes/adminfunctions.php on line 2338

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: print_stop_message() in /MY PATH/httpdocs/forum/admincp/global.php on line 96

[lostsoul2k]

Since im a php Expert I should say that You should of Copyed the Forums Directory and overright all the files. Or online 2338 there is a Wrong php Script that can't pass

[fury]

I uploaded the files, but now when i try to access the admin cp or run the upgrade script, it give me:

Parse error: parse error in /MY PATH/httpdocs/forum/includes/adminfunctions.php on line 2338

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: print_stop_message() in /MY PATH/httpdocs/forum/admincp/global.php on line 96
Try reuploading adminfunctions.php

[feldon23]

It's probably already been posted by someone else, but can posts in the vBulletin 3 Fixes and Patches forum referring to vB 3.0.0 Beta 3 be moved to a subforum?

[feldon23]

I'll probably get told by Wayne L. that I have "no f' clue what I am talking about" but it is WAY too early to be translating to other languages, especially if they go back to the older phrasing to support Romance, Arabic, and Kanji languages.

[Shaede]

Quick answers! Yay! :D
I'm really enjoying the new beta and so are my members (well, except those types who always hate change)!

I can't wait to see this thing in it's final release. This is the very first big update I've witnessed with vB and I gotta say thats its going a lot smoother for me then any other message boad provider I've used so far. :)

[sean335]

Try reuploading adminfunctions.phpI redownloaded and reuploaded all the files and still get the error. It looks like the line in question is the very last line of the file, so i have no clue.

[Steve Machol]

It definitely sounds like a problems with this file. Reupload adminfunctions.php in ASCII and make absolutely sure you overwrite the one on the server.

[sean335]

It definitely sounds like a problems with this file. Reupload adminfunctions.php in ASCII and make absolutely sure you overwrite the one on the server.I completely deleted the old files, reuploaded everything in ASCII, and it still doesn't work. I installed a test copy on my home computer and it all worked fine there. Could a php setting be causing the parse error (either that, or it's getting corrupted during upload, even though i tried two separate ftp clients)?

[Mike Sullivan]

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75875

[sean335]

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75875that was the problem. Thanks! The silver control panel looks awesome.

[kerplunk]

Get a better/bigger monitor..... The only people that still use 800x600 are older people or people that don't know how to make their res. bigger....

I have never seen a dumber statement in my lifetime.

800x600 is pretty much standard more most people right now. I use 1024x768 myself, but it is a rule of thumb not to make a website that is not viewable in a 800x600 resolution.

If all else fails, see what yahoo.com is doing.

Another rule of thumb: Whatever yahoo.com's minimum resolution supports is what you should use.

I think Jelsoft is wrong in not making this viewable to 800x600 users.

[Steve Machol]

I think Jelsoft is wrong in not making this viewable to 800x600 users.Uh, who from Jelsoft said this was our policy? :confused:

[RobAC]

Get a better/bigger monitor..... The only people that still use 800x600 are older people or people that don't know how to make their res. bigger.... It's better to keep your fingers off the keyboard and try to remain intelligent rather than to type something and remove all doubt.

[Erwin]

but it is a rule of thumb not to make a website that is not viewable in a 800x600 resolution.

I agree... I always check my forums in 800x600 to ensure that there are no horizontal scrollbars appearing...

[RobAC]

I have never seen a dumber statement in my lifetime.

800x600 is pretty much standard more most people right now. I use 1024x768 myself, but it is a rule of thumb not to make a website that is not viewable in a 800x600 resolution.

If all else fails, see what yahoo.com is doing.

Another rule of thumb: Whatever yahoo.com's minimum resolution supports is what you should use.

I think Jelsoft is wrong in not making this viewable to 800x600 users.

1. Who established that Yahoo dictates all web usability standards?

2. Please post a link where someone from Jelsoft has stated that they are "not making this viewable to 800x600 users."

[kippesp]

We have 4 Vb licenses. Is there a problem with our downloading one set of code and installing all 4 sites from the same code base? We store only one image in cvs and won't appreciate tracking all 4 to accommodate this watermark thing.

[the geek]

1. Who established that Yahoo dictates all web usability standards?

I think the author just ment that its a good idea to check out what Yahoo (or amazon for that matter) does as they will always code to the lowest denominator so fewer people will have gripes with it.
If they arent doing something fancy pants... its usually an indication that its not supported in the current range of browsers, or in this instance, many poeple would be confused or frustrated by a layout that scrolls horizontally.

I seriously doubt the final style would go larger than 800px wide. If it does... use a different style, make your own, or tell your users to upgrade from windows 3.1

Toodles

[Wayne Luke]

We have 4 Vb licenses. Is there a problem with our downloading one set of code and installing all 4 sites from the same code base? We store only one image in cvs and won't appreciate tracking all 4 to accommodate this watermark thing.
Yes, it will be a problem. You need to use the files from each license on their domains. Otherwise you are violating the license agreement even if you did pay for 4 copies.

[Blackjack]

Uh, who from Jelsoft said this was our policy? :confused:
Nobody said it was policy. He just said the he thinks Jelsoft is wrong for not making it viewable to 800x600 users. I don't see where that states that he thinks it is your policy to only support higher than 800 res.

[Banana]

Yes, it will be a problem. You need to use the files from each license on their domains. Otherwise you are violating the license agreement even if you did pay for 4 copies.

What a pain in the proverbial. So if I have 10 sites I have to download 10 times - come on guys!!!!

[AZone]

1. When approximately vB3 Final will be released?
2. How much design will be changed? (really, i do not like current design of Betas, except CP one...)
Thank you.

[Steve Machol]

1. There is no set date. It depends on the bugs we find in the beta test program.
2. A lot.

[tamarian]

vB 3.0 beta 4 is now running on our production server http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

It has added some load, but it's probably due to re-indexing almost a million posts during a busy day :)

[stuuu]

Upgraded, no issues! (yet....) :)

[insanctus]

I miss all the hacks I had in vb2 but all the options in VB3 make it worth it.

Once I had my portal up on VB3 I have been happy.

[Typhlosion]

So... how many betas will there be before a final 3.0.0?

[feldon23]

So... how many betas will there be before a final 3.0.0?
At least Beta 5 and then 2 release candidates.

[poolking]

So... how many betas will there be before a final 3.0.0?

As many as it takes to iron out the serious bugs.

[Beth]

I've upgraded on my test forums, and I've had no problems. Since I'm newish still to vB2, I dreaded vb3. The only difficulty I'm having with vB3 is all the options and deciding which to use :D

apart from that, its finding everything that I consider a mini hurdle as I'm used to the way of vB2.

I'm thrilled with it as it makes life so much easier for me because I dont have to mess around with hacks - and being new to vB and php its not wise for me to do so :D

I think it was worth the wait - even though its still in Beta.
I cant wait to release my mods to their control panel to get the hang of things :)

[lostsoul2k]

Well Before i buy vbulletin in Vb3 what Version will it be before i can get skins and styles and templates because if now then not worth it

[Brian Briscoe]

Well Before i buy vbulletin in Vb3 what Version will it be before i can get skins and styles and templates because if now then not worth it
Well, I would suggest you wait till its stable, considering there will be alot of template changes and after ever upgrade the changed language templates will be reverted... So it's better if you wait until the Stable release.

[RobAC]

At least Beta 5 and then 2 release candidates.Poor assumptions made based upon what?

[Tungsten]

Poor assumptions made based upon what? I'd say that is a pretty accurate assumption based on the fact that a quick glance through the forums here shows that the # of bugs reported on Beta 4 are quite a bit less than the # reported on Beta 3.

At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Jelsoft's developers don't damn near ace the thing with Beta 5 or at the very least RC1. My gut instinct tells me that the software will probably go "gold" by September based on what we have seen thus far.

Maybe it is time to register and set up www.vb3final-releasedatebettingpool.com (http://www.vb3final-releasedatebettingpool.com) and capitalize on all of this speculation. :D ;)

[NeutralGold]

I'd say that is a pretty accurate assumption based on the fact that a quick glance through the forums here shows that the # of bugs reported on Beta 4 are quite a bit less than the # reported on Beta 3.

At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Jelsoft's developers don't damn near ace the thing with Beta 5 or at the very least RC1. My gut instinct tells me that the software will probably go "gold" by September based on what we have seen thus far.

Maybe it is time to register and set up www.vb3final-releasedatebettingpool.com (http://www.vb3final-releasedatebettingpool.com) and capitalize on all of this speculation. :D ;)lol I'm game, I'd be betting right along with you...:D

[Taco John]

Does VB3 have the same database errors that VB2 has that everybody seems to be experiencing?

[Wayne Luke]

Does VB3 have the same database errors that VB2 has that everybody seems to be experiencing?
Neither vB2 nor vB3 experience a lot of database errors if PHP is properly installed on the server to use the MySQL 4.X client libraries instead of the 3.23 client libraries.

The fix for recompiling PHP properly was posted weeks ago.

[XYPHEN]

What errors are you talking about? Wayne, any idea when the next release is coming? or maybe when the stable version gonna be released?

[Taco John]

What errors are you talking about?


1016, 1053, 2013, 1030, 2002... These five are the most common... I know I'm not the only one who gets them, because I have friends who complain about the same errors...


I just manually repair the tables when it happens, but it's a pain in the butt... It used to be I could just let it do its thing, and never have to think twice about it... I pine for those days...

Hopefully VB3 doesn't have the same issues...

[Steve Machol]

1016, 1053, 2013, 1030, 2002... These five are the most common... I know I'm not the only one who gets them, because I have friends who complain about the same errors...


I just manually repair the tables when it happens, but it's a pain in the butt... It used to be I could just let it do its thing, and never have to think twice about it... I pine for those days...

Hopefully VB3 doesn't have the same issues...
As has been pointed out this is a bug in MySQL 4.0.12/3. For people having this problem, the only absolutely sure way to fix this is to downgrade to 3.23.56.

[Taco John]

As has been pointed out this is a bug in MySQL 4.0.12/3. For people having this problem, the only absolutely sure way to fix this is to downgrade to 3.23.56.


That's easy for you to say to just downgrade... I wish It were that easy for me to do. But I don't have that kind of control of the host, and suspect few people do... maybe I'm wrong. I've spent hours trying to make heads or tails of the fixes that were listed, but ended up with nothing but frustration... So I figured that I'd ride it out, appoint a couple more admins, and use the bandaid solution of repairing the database every time it happened, hoping that VB3 would come to my rescue, compatible with MySQL 4.0.12 (which is what my database is).

So will it be compatible? Or am I waiting in vain?

[Steve Machol]

I'm not sure if we can make vB comptible with a buggy MySQL. However if we can I'm sure the Developers will do it.

[Taco John]

I hate to be a pain in the butt here, but this is a customer issue for you guys to be sure. I personally know folks that are switching to phpBB over this issue, because apparently that board isn't having the same issue. Has the VB team done anything to bring this issue to the attention of MySQL developers? Or is this a "not our problem" type of issue?

[Steve Machol]

*sigh*

I didn't mean to imply we are washing out hands of this. However we have done everything within our power so far:

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=69803

If there was another way to fix this, then we would certainly have shared it by now. Have you followed all the instructions and quick fix ideas in Eva2000's post? Did you post your own thread about this problem as he suggested in the above thread?

[Taco John]

*sigh*


Believe me... I share the sigh...

Yeah, I've tried tackling that thread a couple of times... I don't know that I have the right tools to progress along that thread... I use phpMyAdmin, and the instructions don't seem to be geared in that direction... Maybe I'm just not getting it...

After fruitless hours of beating my head against my keyboard trying to make heads or tails of it all, I figured it was just easier to do the quick fix manual repair and pray that maybe VB3 would be my saviour...


I'll probably try again after the break... Something that might be helpful is to know what tools we should be using to follow those instructions... I have phpMyAdmin, and wouldn't even begin to know where to start outside of it...

Have a happy fourth...

[DirectPixel]

Eva's instructions requires that you have shell or SSH access to your server.

[greenchicken]

Neither vB2 nor vB3 experience a lot of database errors if PHP is properly installed on the server to use the MySQL 4.X client libraries instead of the 3.23 client libraries.

The fix for recompiling PHP properly was posted weeks ago.

Well it's like this....

I have a Vbull running on Mysql Version4.0.12
+ a PHPBB2 running on the same host (2 diff databases) and the only one that ever craps out is the one that is suppose to be the better one.

You got 2 guesses which one that is

[Steve Machol]

Actually I have messages on the IB and phpBB forums of the exact same MySQL problem swith those forums. From what I can gather one factor may be how busy your forums are.

I run three vB forums all with MySQL 4.0.12 asnd I have never had this problem. In fact many vB customers are not having this problem at all. The difficulty is trying to find out what is different about the customers that do have the problem.

One possible difference in my case is that I run this as a cron job every night:

mysqlcheck -A --auto-repair

It may be that running mysqlcheck repairs whatever is in the database that is causing the conflict with MySQL 4.0.12. FWIW mysqlcheck has never found a bad table on any of my databases.

[greenchicken]

Eva's instructions requires that you have shell or SSH access to your server.


or a way for your host to move the old database to a new database... in which I had my host do and it still craps out every couple of weeks

[DirectPixel]

That's only part of eva's instructions. IIRC, he gave more solutions as well.

[Erwin]

I run three vB forums all with MySQL 4.0.12 asnd I have never had this problem.

Same here too Steve. No problems here with 4.0.12



One possible difference in my case is that I run this as a cron job every night:

mysqlcheck -A --auto-repair

It may be that running mysqlcheck repairs whatever is in the database that is causing the conflict with MySQL 4.0.12. FWIW mysqlcheck has never found a bad table on any of my databases.

Interesting idea... may have to try that...

[Wayne Luke]

The deal is that PHP ships with client libraries for MySQL 3.23.XX. These libraries are not compatible with MySQL 4.0.12 and higher. This incompatibility is what causes the errors. The reason that the errors appear on your vBulletin is because we are using more complex queries that take advantage of the speed features of MySQL.

In order to fix this, you simply need to recompile PHP to take advantage of the client libraries for MySQL 4.0.12 and higher. If you have cPanel and Webhost Manager on your server, running the script to rebuild Apache and PHP fixes these errors. It is called "easyapache".

I also used to have the errors on my server in many applications, not just PHP. However once I ran that script two months ago, I haven't had a single error. And while the issue is not related to PHP it does fix it properly and completely.

[Erwin]

The easyapache script can be run by typing this command in SSH:

/scripts/easyapache

Then choose option 5 for an easy default recompile of Apache and PHP, or option 6 to choose the PHP modules you want like GD and IMAP.

[Steve Machol]

The easyapache script can be run by typing this command in SSH:

/scripts/easyapache

Then choose option 5 for an easy default recompile of Apache and PHP, or option 6 to choose the PHP modules you want like GD and IMAP.
I had done the same thing which may be why I don't have this problem.

[lostsoul2k]

well i don't get it ?? if people that are running Mysql 4.0.1 or wateva don't get problems and the people running the same are getting problems it possibly could be 1. You have installed Hacks that has Writen to the Database 2. Your host has a Glitched Mysql thingy

[Wayne Luke]

It is Number 2. The problem is caused by only upgrading part of the total solution. When you upgrade MySQL to 4.0.12, you need to upgrade PHP as well to accomodate the new MySQL. Hosting companies aren't doing that and therefore the corruption is caused.

In my opinion, it has been months since this started occuring and any legitimate hosting company that cares about their image and custom service would have acknowledged and fixed the problem on their end. The fix has been posted numerous times around the Internet including on the MySQL, PHP and other sites.

[RichM]

I am a web host myself and i could imagine how frustrating it would be for those who do not have the power to do such things.

One way around it is to threaten to leave your host, this may sound mean but in most cases it will grab their attention UNLESS they are a HUGE company.

There are many other hosts out there who take these issues into account and will resolve them for your satisfaction, i suggest if you have this problem then try looking elsewhere. :)

[jucs]

1016, 1053, 2013, 1030, 2002... These five are the most common... I know I'm not the only one who gets them, because I have friends who complain about the same errors...


I just manually repair the tables when it happens, but it's a pain in the butt... It used to be I could just let it do its thing, and never have to think twice about it... I pine for those days...

Hopefully VB3 doesn't have the same issues...

I've NEVER seen any such errors. Never. You have server issues NOT VB issues.

[Floris]

They are MySQL errors, vBulletin is just so kind to let you know when they occur. The complaint should be pointed to the hosting provider.

[lostsoul2k]

1. When will beta 5 be out ??? 2. i went in the bug report system and its got fixed does that mean that if i register and pay for vbulletin can i download that seperated patch or it is fixed in the next beta 5 ??

[Joe Gronlund]

1. When will beta 5 be out ??? 2. i went in the bug report system and its got fixed does that mean that if i register and pay for vbulletin can i download that seperated patch or it is fixed in the next beta 5 ??

Shouldnt be a beta 5... straight to RC.

[N9ne]

Shouldnt be a beta 5... straight to RC.
Really? So we're getting out of betas soon? :D

[Zelda-King]

It has been posted that there will definitely be a beta 5 and if you check certain bug fixes they end with 'fixed for beta 5'.

[Floris]

Really? So we're getting out of betas soon? :D
They said before christmas, so they have a few more months. Ofcourse, before christmas is probably an unofficial statement. And I actually can't find that post no more hehe.

Anyway, it runs stable on my sites, so I am happy :)

[dethfire]

I am a web host myself and i could imagine how frustrating it would be for those who do not have the power to do such things.

One way around it is to threaten to leave your host, this may sound mean but in most cases it will grab their attention UNLESS they are a HUGE company.

There are many other hosts out there who take these issues into account and will resolve them for your satisfaction, i suggest if you have this problem then try looking elsewhere. :)

I know a ton of webhosts are at PHP 4.3.1 and usually don't upgrade until larger improvements are made.

[Joe Gronlund]

Really? So we're getting out of betas soon? :D
yes, i would assume so

[Joe Gronlund]

It has been posted that there will definitely be a beta 5 and if you check certain bug fixes they end with 'fixed for beta 5'.

thats news to me, beta 5 could be a internal release only, beta's dont usually go past beta 4 or even reach beta 3 caliper.
Minor bugs can be resolved in RC releases that can go all the
way to RC 6..

[Zelda-King]

There's far more to finalise than some debugging. We haven't even tried out the final templates yet. I was of the persuasion that Release Candidates were versions that were potentially ready. Isn't that what the name implies?

Im not saying you're wrong. I just know what I saw posted. How much credence you give to the source is your choice.

[Zachery]

so has there been any word on beta 5 for vb3?

[Wolfe]

i heard alot of people saying they don't like the nav bar. well i fell the same its too bunched up so i made my own :D look :D

[Zachery]

looks like you made your own buttons too, if you want to get rid of that shadow, remove the drop shadow blend option :P

[Lacrosse Boy]

I am in desparate need of a portal!

DESPARATE!! :eek:

[Joe Gronlund]

I am in desparate need of a portal!

DESPARATE!! !:eek:

like this one?? :D http://www.asendtechnologies.com/

[Lacrosse Boy]

I am jealous.

I really badly need a portal.

[Wolfe]

I am jealous.

I really badly need a portal.
make one d00d thats what some people d0

[Lacrosse Boy]

I do not have enough PHP knowledge to do that.

[DirectPixel]

I do not have enough PHP knowledge to do that.
Wait a bit for the commercial version of vbHome (Lite). :)

A website for the script should be going up any day now.

[S.Shady]

is there a place i can find out about the commercial ver of vbhome lite ?

[Semere Liif]

The only thing is the commercial version of the script is gonna be like 150$. Looks like someone might have to try to scrounge up making a free one agian.

[Wolfe]

i am gonna make my own but i can't release vB hacks on vb.org until vb3 is gold version

[DirectPixel]

The only thing is the commercial version of the script is gonna be like 150$. Looks like someone might have to try to scrounge up making a free one agian.
vbHome (Lite) will still be available to users, with limited support, IIRC.

[Dan]

No I plan on trying to use teck's code if he allows it and modify it to fit for vB3.... but I don't think he ever reads his pms

[Zelda-King]

so has there been any word on beta 5 for vb3?I reckon they're already running it here. When I hover over an administrator on "Who's Online" here it says 'Forum Administrator'. This does not happen on Beta 4.

The Who's Online Legend is missing some Beta 4 features right now though.

[insanctus]

Perhaps they are using the html mark up on names ? :)

[Zelda-King]

Maybe. If they're using it though it'll probably wind up in the next version either way so as far as I'm concerned I reckon it's beta 5 features I'm seeing.

Could be wrong.

[Mainer82]

I reckon they're already running it here. When I hover over an administrator on "Who's Online" here it says 'Forum Administrator'. This does not happen on Beta 4.

The Who's Online Legend is missing some Beta 4 features right now though.
Yes it does..

[CasparUK]

Does anyone has an inkling when B5 or RC1 is out?

[Tungsten]

Does anyone has an inkling when B5 or RC1 is out?
Anyone else want to ask this? It's only one of those questions that gets thrown out at least a dozen times a day. ;)

[Dragon_IBA]

I cannot get the features list thread found here: http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62743 to open. I get the following error :
Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 15 seconds exceeded in /www/beta.jelsoft.com/htdocs/forum/includes/functions.php on line 2769



Is there anywhere else that I can view a full (or close to full) features list of 3.0. I am at a point where i need to add some functions to my forum that are available via hacks, but i do not wnat to do the extra work if those functions will be standard on 3.0

thank you in advance for your time and help

[CasparUK]

I cannot get the features list thread found here: http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62743 to open. I get the following error :
Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 15 seconds exceeded in /www/beta.jelsoft.com/htdocs/forum/includes/functions.php on line 2769



That thread opened ok for me :confused:

[CasparUK]

Anyone else want to ask this? It's only one of those questions that gets thrown out at least a dozen times a day. ;)

yeah I imagine it does....but actually searching for the answer to the question is hard :p

[Dragon_IBA]

That thread opened ok for me :confused:

still will not open for me

[Dragon_IBA]

still will not open for me


I was using the "hybrid" method of viewing the board. I have just switched to using " linear- oldest first" and now everything works fine. Is this a potential "troubleshooting bug" ?

[Zelda-King]

Yes it does..Then perhaps you care to share the procedure for me getting that to work.

[AZone]

I have a question:
Vb3 has function "Default Language" - will vB3 have Russian Language support?

[Steve Machol]

The Language Pack system will allow you to create a Russian Language pack. I expect that some people will create a Russian pack soon after vB3 is final.

[AZone]

Thank you for answer - I can create a Russian Pack by myself...
Which files will I have to edit - only vbulletin-language.xml?

[Steve Machol]

You will use the Languages & Phrases managers in the Admin CP to do this.

[AZone]

That is great! Thank you!

[auto]

So could the whole message board be trasnlated to another language if a foreign user came on? I imagine an infinite number of phrases and words could be added.

[Steve Machol]

The forum text will be translated, but not the messages obviously. (Just want to make that clear.)

[auto]

But don't you think it would be great if some did that? Have a dictionary for common phrases and words so that a language in the messages could be translated enough to where a foreigner could understand them.

[Steve Machol]

Sure that would be great, but that task is beyond the scope of vB3.

[auto]

of course, that would be an enormous project on its own.

[mtha]

But don't you think it would be great if some did that? Have a dictionary for common phrases and words so that a language in the messages could be translated enough to where a foreigner could understand them.

For some commond languages, using this site would meet what you need: http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en

[RonH.]

Just wanted to chime in here with the accolades for the Jelsoft team on a great product. I'd consier myself a NEWBIE as I've never used a piece of BB software of any kind prior to now and once I got my server properly configured the new install of vB3 b4 went off without a hitch.

I'm about to open the front door, once I finish prepping the forums and going over some last minute settings, kinda double checking them. So thank you to the Jelsoft team again for giving us such a wonderful product. Thanks.

[DEATHCAT]

what you all think of my new Navbar and Profile layouts :D

[feldon23]

Try:
http://www.feldoncentral.com/forums/index.php?dostyleid=3

[EWorld]

when should we be exepecting beta 5 or the final?

- Speedy

[feldon23]

There will be one or two Release Candidates before the Final. And Beta 5 might not be the last beta.

[DEATHCAT]

i got a suggestion they should add an if statement to the navbar so when you are logged out and the board is closed it does not show i already done it on my board :D its a little implement but it could be very usefull :D

[PsykoTaz]

It would be great to have a new status announcement just to see where the projet is, what's left to do until RC1, and an approx "time remaining"

[Corbu]

I think a beta 5 will appair in the next 2 weeks and only after one RC .

Isn't it ?

[Interdit]

Everybody is thinking about a beta 5 this week or a RC, having different ideas... enough of approximative deadlines...

When a Jelsoft update on vb3 ?

thx
Francois

[Corbu]

They cannot define a deadline, if Bugs are founded they have to resolve it and after that, they can release a beta or a RC...

[RonH.]

Everybody is thinking about a beta 5 this week or a RC, having different ideas... enough of approximative deadlines...

When a Jelsoft update on vb3 ?

thx
Francois
My mama always told me as a child that when I see it coming up the driveway is when it will be here. That bit of wisdom has served me well for the past half century+.

I for one am a patient individual and will consider the next release vB3 an enjoyable and improved surprise when it does finally gets here.

Patience. Now what else can be said about that virtious perly bit of wisdom!?

[the geek]

While being a software developer... I can empathies with the need to not release any timelines until you are positive you can achieve them... However I am awaiting a date on your release so I can start a rather large and complex project.
It would be pretty helpful to have an approximation of a release date (at least the target month) so that I can better plan my project.

Any insight?

before anyone responds 'Before this time next year'... you can rest assured that I wouldn’t consider that an insightful answer.

nJoy

[basa]

I am fairly new here myself, and so I hope my post is not out of line but a general (within the month seems prudent) timetable would be very useful. I understand the hesitation to set a date since some will expect (demand?) it done on that date come hail or high water, but again for the reasonable amongst us a general, tentative time period would be very useful so we may plan accordingly.

Respectfully,

Sebastian Bianchi

[Hunter]

I am fairly new here myself, and so I hope my post is not out of line but a general (within the month seems prudent) timetable would be very useful. I understand the hesitation to set a date since some will expect (demand?) it done on that date come hail or high water, but again for the reasonable amongst us a general, tentative time period would be very useful so we may plan accordingly.
Respectfully,

Sebastian Bianchi [


They wont release a date as they have no idea on a release date. Once you see all the bugs are fixed in the bug tracker then you should expect one. I think the only ones that have a clue as to what the tentative date is the 4 main developers and they wont tell. You wont find out a date or a tentative one until the devs know they can make that date so we dont have the vB3 fiasco all over again.

[AZone]

vB2 Online Demo was available 11-20-2000
vB2 Beta 1 - 02-12-2001
...
vB2 Final - 05-21-2001

So we can surmise, that vB3 Final will be released around... hm... October 2003? (may be even December - vB3 much bigger and multifunctional than vB2...)

Anyway - we have to wait...

[Dan]

anytime sounds good to me now that I got the beta

[Semere Liif]

No offense (well I guess really there is at some point) but you guys need to get off their backs. Everyone has a huge project to do. However the software won't be done untill it is done. I am sure the developers are going to get it done "as soon as possible". However I really don't think there needs to be 20 posts in a row saying wow this is **insert random name here** I am working on this ** insert project never going to be started or completed here** please tell me when vB3 will be done. I personally think the people over at Jelsoft are doing a wonderfull job. They are releasing update pretty darn fast considering their tasks thrown at them. GIVE THEM A LITTLE SPACE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!

[basa]

No offense (well I guess really there is at some point) but you guys need to get off their backs. Everyone has a huge project to do. However the software won't be done untill it is done. I am sure the developers are going to get it done "as soon as possible". However I really don't think there needs to be 20 posts in a row saying wow this is **insert random name here** I am working on this ** insert project never going to be started or completed here** please tell me when vB3 will be done. I personally think the people over at Jelsoft are doing a wonderfull job. They are releasing update pretty darn fast considering their tasks thrown at them. GIVE THEM A LITTLE SPACE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!


Errhh... that's a little rude on your part, no? I suggested a possible date could be released, that's all. That's offensive? Anyway, thanks for coming to their aid with sword and cape, I'm sure they apreciate it. May you'll get an early release than anyone else! :rolleyes: :p

For the love of God Semere, relax, and don't shout.

Sebastian

[CasparUK]

No offense (well I guess really there is at some point) but you guys need to get off their backs. Everyone has a huge project to do. However the software won't be done untill it is done. I am sure the developers are going to get it done "as soon as possible". However I really don't think there needs to be 20 posts in a row saying wow this is **insert random name here** I am working on this ** insert project never going to be started or completed here** please tell me when vB3 will be done. I personally think the people over at Jelsoft are doing a wonderfull job. They are releasing update pretty darn fast considering their tasks thrown at them. GIVE THEM A LITTLE SPACE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!

Why do people say this all the time? ....do people think we're pushy or something :confused:


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