vBulletin 2.0 - Discuss

[James]

Please use this thread to discuss the "vBulletin 2.0 (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7560)" announcement.

Thanks,

-James

[Zecherieh]

Cool - dang I got a little excited when I saw the announcement

Keep up the good work, from what I have seen so far we are all gonna love it when it is finished

[JohnM]

I saw two new threads in announcements, and thought "vB 2?". I click on it, and see two threads about vB 2. I thought it was released!!!

[wacnstac]

My users and myself can hardly wait.

[Fred]

You guys should fix the coding of the script, for me, I'm on resolution of 600x800, and the forum is too wide. It makes me scroll to the side.

Hopefully you'll fix this before releasing.

Other than that minor modification, the forum 2.0 looks excellent. I'm very excited.

[wajones]

Great news, thanks for the update.

[dwh]

Can someone please define EXACTLY what co-branding means? Also, how does the gziping work exactly?

[Kier]

Cobranding essentially means that you can have differently 'branded' forums within one vB board...

The obvious example would be that you have two forums, one for discussions of Windows and one for discussion of Macintosh... with cobranding you could apply different styles to the two forums so that they reflect the GUI styling of the system they are discussing.

I've a more in-depth question about cobranding here (http://vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7577) that you might also want to keep tabs on.

[JamesUS]

Thanks for the update James! Can we have a few more details of the new permissions system? I presume the Auto Generated groups are gone? :)

[xtra]

i m very very.....

[jojo85]

It's too long for the realese sniffffffff

[PeF]

Originally posted by jojo85
It's too long for the realese sniffffffff

What would you choose:

A product which has plenty of features but wasn't as tested as it should, which may have some serious security bugs or a product where was aimed at bug sweeping, code cleaning, etc. ;)

[bbyrd]

I used to like ub2k but know i'm more of a vbulletin person but only prob is y host don't support php or mysql so i have to go with a perl board...for now *snif*

[JonnyQuest]

While I too am _extremely_ anxious for the release, it is crucial that this code is fully optimized. Our current forum is getting slammed every afternoon so efficient code is a must for us.

[DaBuzz]

Hrmm ... with my UBB quickly approaching critical mass, I'm stuck with the dilemma of if I should migrate to VBulletin 1.1.5 today (and hope the non-optimized mysql calls compared to VB 2.0 don't crash my servers) and then wait for VB 2.0 in a few weeks or do I try (and hope) that my UBB can hold on long enough for me to upgrade straight to 2.0.

Any VB developers want to give some insight on what may be the best route? (i.e. is the UBB conversion better in 1.1.5 or 2.0 and would an upgrade from 1.1.5 to 2.0 be a lot of trouble compared to converting my UBB straight to VB 2.0.)

Thanks

[Fquist]

Originally posted by DaBuzz


Well.. 1.1.4 is a release with optimized mysql calls I believe.. so unless it's a huge board I would not think it would crash it.

But I am inexperienced with the inside of 1.1.4, so you better ask a developers..

[DaBuzz]

Originally posted by Fquist


Well.. 1.1.4 is a release with optimized mysql calls I believe.. so unless it's a huge board I would not think it would crash it.

Thanks for the info .. I wouldn't say it was a *huge* board but right now I'm running the UBB "who's online" hack and I tend to have 90-130 folks online during peak times.

But at this point, I question whether ANYTHING can be slower than my UBB ... even VB with unoptimized mysql routines. ;)

[Wayne Luke]

Originally posted by DaBuzz


Thanks for the info .. I wouldn't say it was a *huge* board but right now I'm running the UBB "who's online" hack and I tend to have 90-130 folks online during peak times.

But at this point, I question whether ANYTHING can be slower than my UBB ... even VB with unoptimized mysql routines. ;)

vBulletin 1.1.5 can handle that load on a properly optimized server... It has optimized database queries. You will have to add indexes to the tables though because it is not indexed. This is probably the biggest failing.

I know Me2Be's big board is running 1.1.5 right now and she has that many users if not more during peak periods.

As for the Convert Now and Upgrade or wait and Convert. That is a big question. If it were my community and a basis for a large portion of my traffic, I would convert to vBulletin now to reduce the strain on my servers as much as possible.

[Joe]

DaBuzz, what are your server specs? vB needs quite a bit more ram then UBB does.

[Me2Be]

Originally posted by wluke
I know Me2Be's big board is running 1.1.5 right now and she has that many users if not more during peak periods.
Actually, my big board is still running 1.1.3 (because of the hacks on it I didn't want to upgrade it - and 1.1.3 doesn't have any of the optimizations 1.1.5 has). We average about 130-150 during our peak hours and the 1.1.3 version still works excellent ("super speedy" as my visitors call it) and I haven't had any problems since I upgraded my MySQL software to the latest version and worked with Chris Schreiber on optimizing my server.

I'll be converting my big board over tomorrow so I'm looking forward to seeing what type of load difference there is between the two versions!

If you have any more questions about running it on this size board, PM me :)

[ThePenguin]

What about for a smaller board ? Mine gets a max of 25-30 visitors. Is it better to get 1.1.5 now and then upgrade to 2.0 (from UBB 5.45c) versus converting directly to 2.0 once released or does it really matter ? I guess the strain on the server is not a concern in this case. I have about 3 months left on my lease with UBB but given their price increase today, I don't think I want to purchase a license when my lease expires. I'm quite impressed with the features I see with vBulletin too! Is there expected to be an incease in price for vBulletin once 2.0 is released ? Thanks !

[DaBuzz]

Originally posted by wluke
vBulletin 1.1.5 can handle that load on a properly optimized server... It has optimized database queries. You will have to add indexes to the tables though because it is not indexed. This is probably the biggest failing. What all is involved in making sure my server is "properly optimized"?


Originally posted by BikeForums
DaBuzz, what are your server specs? vB needs quite a bit more ram then UBB does. It's a dual PIII 650 server with 512MB RAM running FreeBSD 3.2. It's sickening loading up top for a few minutes and watching "perl" take over the system with less than 5 calls to "Ultimate.cgi".

When a spider hits my site and sets off a string of search.cgi calls, my system load goes as high as 150.00! (For those who don't know how Unix system loads work .. a load of 150.00 == critical mass/melt down. heh)

I'm certain much of the problem with my UBB is that I have over 2 years worth of messages, I don't delete them because I run a tech site and most of the old messages serve as a great knowledge base for my users.

I'd imagine if I pruned every 30 days, it would run faster .. but what's the point of that on a tech and information site? :)

I may take wluke's advice and migrate to 1.1.5 this weekend and open it up for stress testing on Monday which is my busiest day.

Thanks for the help guys & gals. ;)

I'm really looking forward to version 2.0!

[Me2Be]

DaBuzz, UBB killed my server and I was only 1/3rd as busy as I am now. I was having to prune back with only two months worth of posts to try and avoid corruption.

I've been on Vb since August 7, and have not had to prune once and have over 260,000 posts (since 80,000 when I converted over).

Work with Chris Schreiber in the Server Configuration forum. It took a little bit of playing and fine tuning (I think about a day) but he got my server running quite well for the 1.1.3 version!

I would upgrade to 1.1.5 so it will give you a chance to get used to all the admin features and templates. It's a whole different world with so much more flexibility than UBB ever gave.

[Mike Sullivan]

Well, this server is a PIII 600 with 512MB RAM, and it's handling 150 - 190 users no problem, and that's without vB2 being finished yet. (BTW, it's running 6 vBs) :)

Anyway, we should probably split this thread as it's kinda OT now...

[Joe]

Your server should be able to handle 250 or so concurrent users with vB, I think it will fly with just 130 users on it. I personally would upgrade to 1.15, but keep your UBB open to public, let some of the members test vB for you, while you change the templates to match your site...

I think you will really like vB. As for server optimization (sp?), from what I understand, its really easy, you just need to change a few things in MySQL, however, I have not yet done it.

[cscharff]

Thanks for adding a link for V 2.0 news directly off the front page. It was much needed and much appreciated.

[White Knight]

Well I am new around here searching for a better BB program.

Currently I am running UBB v5.45c loaded with hacks.

Up to 2 weeks ago the site was running just fine. Then all the sudden our server load is peeking 100% down to 60% and back to 100%. DAMN!

Yes my site gets a lot of traffic. We understand this. But its not as much as some of these sites I am hearing.

Anyways the site is hurting so bad we shut down the message board. If we continue to run the message board will loose all virtual memory and the machine just halts.

We have thought about it being all the changes in the original code but it was working just fine. We cant understand it. One day it just started acting up.

We have seen the new release of UBB and are not very impressed. I need the hacks to keep people interested in the message board. Otherwise it doesnt seem as much interactive.

My question is this. We are moving the site on a faster machine.. dual pent with 256 megs ram.. we are running nt 4.0 with iis for software. is this going to be enough to run vbullition? I am so stuck and dont know where to go anymore. Do I have to stick with this ubb that does have much of a change and the price is fricken crazy. My license expires in 2 weeks! damn!

[Joe]

ThePenguin & White Knight,

I reccomend starting a new thread for your questions about vB. This thread is well off topic of what it was intended for.

[JohnM]

This server (vb.com) hosts 6 vB's?? I thoght 2, maybe 3 (vb-world?)

[UserName]

I used to run UBB until my users got sick of seeing Apache "500" errors during peak usage times. When I first switched over to vB, there were a few things I had to learn about PHP & MySQL and there was a bit of tuning I had to do to the server.

But, every single thing I needed to know to make it work was right here on the vB forums. I was able to get everything running in a couple of days and my users loved vB right away.

I continue to tune my server as I read new things on this board and I currently have zero problems with vB. My users LOVE it to death and they would kill me if I even considered going back to UBB.

I should also mention that the things I learned about MySQL & PHP when I was setting up my vB have been applied to many areas of my site outside vB and I'm so glad I decided to start delving into this. I will never go back to flat files or PERL!

Viva vBulletin!

[G-man]

How do I get it?

[trilizio]

Originally posted by Fred
You guys should fix the coding of the script, for me, I'm on resolution of 600x800, and the forum is too wide. It makes me scroll to the side.

Hopefully you'll fix this before releasing.

Other than that minor modification, the forum 2.0 looks excellent. I'm very excited.

ITs just there images at the top of the page that makes you have to scroll. Its not that way on all the boards.

[Smidge]

I may have a small problem here. Let's assume i install and configure v1.15 or the v2.0 beta and use it as user database for the whole site.
Will the user/post/thread tables and fields have the same names in the full version or will the names change? Do i have to wait with coding until v2.0 final is out or can i start right now with v1.15/v2.0b?

Is it possible that someone posts the table structures or is it too early?

[Batman]

Thev've talked about creating an update script that is used to upgrade your vB 1.x board to vB2. I am not sure if it will be able to update all of the version of vB, but definately 1.1.5.

I really hope you guys come out with this soon. You are killing me. :)

[JamesUS]

An upgrade script has already been made - I believe it can update all versions.

[Smidge]

Batman, believe me they are killing me too ;)
I was sure that there will be an update script, but i'd like to know if the tables and fields from v1.15 or v2.0b will stay the same in the final v2.0 version because i am messing around with them a lot in my new site (i'm using them as user database as said, like login to the admin area, chat room etc.).

[Pingu]

Hmm, my first post here, hehe

Does the upgrade script take the lay out into account, or do you have to rebuild that after the upgrade? Is it compatible?

I'm currently working my behind off to get the layout fixed before going live, or is it better to wait until 2.0 is here?

[Streicher]

@Smidge: Look here for an answer: http://vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=7165

[Smidge]

ok thanks

[cliffe]

Smidgey!!

[Wayne Luke]

Originally posted by Smidge
Batman, believe me they are killing me too ;)
I was sure that there will be an update script, but i'd like to know if the tables and fields from v1.15 or v2.0b will stay the same in the final v2.0 version because i am messing around with them a lot in my new site (i'm using them as user database as said, like login to the admin area, chat room etc.).

Tables and fields are significantly different in version 2.0 over 1.1.X. Most of your custom fields/tables should not be affected however. The only way they would be is if there is a new field/table that was created to overwrite it. You will be able to view the database schema in the upgrade script when it is released.. I don't know if they plan to release a schema change log for the database structure.

[Smidge]

Cliffe! LoL, you were the last one i expected to meet here. Hows it going bro? (moderator: sorry for no-content post).

[SystemLogic]

Is this thing ever coming out or what????

[Batman]

Does it look like it will be released this week?

I am becoming incredibly anxious about this. I am getting sick of coming back here to see if it has been released yet. :)

[SystemLogic]

Me too! UBB6 just came out, and I need to see how 2.0 is before I decide which I go with.....If this takes much longer, I guess UBB it is.....

[werehere]

Originally posted by SystemLogic
Me too! UBB6 just came out, and I need to see how 2.0 is before I decide which I go with.....If this takes much longer, I guess UBB it is.....

There is an announcment in this forum about it. I believe it said that there will be a public beta starting in two weeks from the date it was posted!

So that means pretty soon! ;)

[Shoe]

John is looking for beta testers for the ubb script and is offering a free board to ubb testers. Looks like opportunity is knocking at your door. Check out the thread--BETA TESTERS--

[volfman]

Just a quick question about 2.0 - Is this version going to be Multi-threaded?

[chrispadfield]

Originally posted by volfman
Just a quick question about 2.0 - Is this version going to be Multi-threaded?

No. if you have to have this you need to go for wwwthreads but you will probably regret it in the long run.

[Shaman]

I strongly dislike multi-threaded forums.

All that time wasted clicking on links... yuk.

[raplh]

I love him . cool~~

[Parker Trasborg]

I don't think I like vBulletin 2.0 very much anymore, not sure why but I just don't.

[Wayne Luke]

Originally posted by Parker Trasborg
I don't think I like vBulletin 2.0 very much anymore, not sure why but I just don't.

Why is that? What gives you bad vibes about 2.0?

[Shak]

LOL

I guess someone is wanting 2.0 to come out.

[werehere]

Originally posted by Parker Trasborg
I don't think I like vBulletin 2.0 very much anymore, not sure why but I just don't.

I am sorry you don't, but I know my forums, and this is (in my mind) the best out there! There are others to choose from, so take your pick. :)

[Mafukie]

Don't force it out... just let them work ;) heh

All I need is something to be looked over because anxious users made them do things too fast.

[Dark_Wizard]

It's worth the wait...look at the alternative!


UBB6.0

[Snoop Dogg]

LOL

[Shane]

Originally posted by Fred
You guys should fix the coding of the script, for me, I'm on resolution of 600x800, and the forum is too wide. It makes me scroll to the side.

Hopefully you'll fix this before releasing.

Other than that minor modification, the forum 2.0 looks excellent. I'm very excited.


We should be able to change the table width via the control panel... hopefully. :)

[Joe]

scrolling has been fixed at the beta.jelsoft.com forums.

[Haakon]

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, the vb2 was announced one full year back. I`ve just waited one month, I can`t imagine how you others are feeling!

"Sorry for this one, heh :o"

[Me2Be]

Originally posted by Haakon
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, the vb2 was announced one full year back. I`ve just waited one month, I can`t imagine how you others are feeling! Considering Vb was initially released in April (about 10 months ago), I don't think Vb2.0 would have been announced then :)

[JamesUS]

(just posted the same thing as Me2Be - her post wasn't displaying when I opened the thread, but never mind :D)
vB 2 wasn't announced a year back :)
vB 1 was only released in April.

There was talk of a release in Summer and there were releases (1.1.2-1.1.5), so it isn't quite as late as people are making out :)

[Batman]

Yeah, but you would expect the developers to release it when they say it will be released.

Three weeks ago it was said to be released in two weeks, or around three weeks ago.

Not to sound rude or anything, I just expect the software to be released when it is said to be released. It is just driving me crazy checking back everyday to see when it is released. It is like an obsession.

That is what I get for letting myself get hyped up about a piece of software. :)

[Me2Be]

Originally posted by Batman
Three weeks ago it was said to be released in two weeks, or around three weeks ago.
Actually, I thought 10 days ago or so the release date was two weeks -- that would bring it to this week, I would think :)

[dwh]

Software release dates are made to be broken.
No way around it.
Peter's Principle.
:)

[DaBuzz]

If they don't hit the "two week" release date, they can always blame it on "fuzzy math". ;)

[Me2Be]

Originally posted by DaBuzz
If they don't hit the "two week" release date, they can always blame it on "fuzzy math". ;) I demand a RECOUNT of the number of days in a "two week" period :D

[etones]

oo.. coming this week.. YAY :D

oh well.. vb bandwidth gonna hit an EXTRA 200gb at least with a huge rush to download the bugger... I can tell ta :)


damm right its comin this week... oh baby!! Cheers Me2be

[Shoe]

Originally posted by JamesUS
(just posted the same thing as Me2Be - her post wasn't displaying when I opened the thread, but never mind :D)
vB 2 wasn't announced a year back :)
vB 1 was only released in April.

There was talk of a release in Summer and there were releases (1.1.2-1.1.5), so it isn't quite as late as people are making out :)

Since I bought vb 1.3 NO NEW features have been added and they were promised by last Oct. latest (that was a delay if I recall). Features that were advertized as being part of vb 1.3 --like mailing lists--were made to function.

I bought the board on a lot of promises that still have not been kept. But I think this time round they will be. I expect the new board out in a couple of days.

[Shoe]

Am I the first to get it? Cool. Thanks loads....off to have fun!

[Kier]

Congratulations guys :D

[Parker Trasborg]

It won't let me login to the Members area?!?!

[Dark_Wizard]

Originally posted by Parker Trasborg
It won't let me login to the Members area?!?!

You should have gotten an email about the changes in the members area...

[David Copeland]

What a safe bet on using this Beta version now, or
waiting for the Full 2.0?

Beta means "unstable". Right?

David

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[Joe]

I personaly wouldnt upgrade your 1.15 forums to 2.0 yet, there have already been a few bug reports for v2 today. However, i would reccomend installing it as a fresh install, so you can play around with the features, and get your templates set how you want them. Once v2 is gold, i'll update my 1.1X forums.

[krohn]

I can't get in the members area either.. I didn't get an email...

[Zecherieh]

I got it up, had a minor problem with the upgrade script - but I think that was because I had things so screwed up myself.

I ended up skipping some steps in the upgrade and then went back and built by hand what it missed.

Was working fine, until my host decided to stop working - been one of those weeks.

[Shak]

Why can't we get into the members area?

[JamesUS]

A mail was sent to all members containing new license information.

[krohn]

What if we never got the email?

[Joe]

request your username / passwords in the login to teh members area. You need to put in your email address that you purchased vB with. If that dosent work for you, email james@vbulletin.com and request your username / password.

[John Harrison]

All mail/post ordered accounts were loss.
Mine was one to be loss.

I suggest emailing support with your current details to get new details.

v2.0 is on vBoard.co.uk at present. :D

[Cold Steel]

I had a small amount of trouble installing it. Kept on giving me can't delete whatever field. So I went into phpMyAdmin, dropped the table myself, and proceeded with the script.

Did this a couple of times, and finally got it to work.

Running it now on my production board.

http://aforums.com

Love it!

[PatrickM]

Love the New 2.0 , is there a way to upgrade the users?
We are having a complete Relaunch of our site www.gamers.at this/next month and want to implement the 2.0 at the same time.
I do not want our users to register again though..

[PatrickM]

Originally posted by PatrickM
Love the New 2.0 , is there a way to upgrade the users?


I Must be blind, missed the Upgrade1 script :-)

[richcowley]

test

[PeF]

Remove your post. It has nothing to do with vBulletin 2.0 - Discuss. If you wanna test anything, do it here (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=15).

[ineedhelp]

Hey, I just realized they're running on Release Candidate 2 now...

What number will be the final version of vbulletin 2?

[alliax]

ahaha, now it's mid may and we're still waiting for official release of v2.0
I discover vBulletin only a week ago through..
But I have solidarity towards those who've been longing for it for months :-)

and congrats to the developers.

SO, WHEN IS THE OFFICIAL RELEASE DATE NOW ?

[tubedogg]

Very soon.

[alliax]

I love that ! :-)

What is the date? Very or Soon ?

You mean it's only a matter of hours now ?

minutes? :)

wow..

[tubedogg]

It's their policy not to give exact dates, but all the clues on here point to it within the next few days/a week.

[alliax]

So you think they won't dare have a candidate release 4 ? :-)

Anyway, I wish they arrange with jojo85 (for french at least) to release language templates at the same time.
I saw lots of requests for german as well.

They should think about it hard.

It would be such a nice surprise to have both the V2.0 and the languages templates.

[firewire]

Indeed, it would (speaking about language templates).

[Hooper]

Downloaded 1 second after refresh had changed versions.
Installed 4min. 12 sec. after released.

Celebrate!! Hip Hip Hurray......;)

[RobAC]

Just downloaded but haven't installed yet. Regarding the new colors and graphics here......in my best Keanu Reeves imitation...."whoa.....coool!!!!" :D