John @ vbulletin.com

[Corbu]

hello,

An email was sent to you since 3 days.

Can I have a response please ?

Many thanks.

[tubedogg]

John is very busy. If you have a sales or support issue, please use the contact system (http://www.vbulletin.com/contact/); if your issue needs personal attention from John, it could be up to a week.

[nuno]

John is very busy. If you have a sales or support issue, please use the contact system (http://www.vbulletin.com/contact/); if your issue needs personal attention from John, it could be up to a week.
But he did not leave us, right?
He's never online now. :(

[JAWilliams]

But he did not leave us, right?
He's never online now. :(

Don't worry - John is a friend of mine, and he is just very busy at the moment. He has not left VBulletin - Do not worry

[nuno]

Don't worry - John is a friend of mine, and he is just very busy at the moment. He has not left VBulletin - Do not worry
Good to hear it. Thanks Josh. :)

[Corbu]

this is about this thread :
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49410

I'm staying for John.

Thanks.

[tubedogg]

Speaking as a representative of Jelsoft, Jelsoft does not own the copyright on, nor do they have the authority to grant permission for redistribution of, hacks from vBulletin.org. Unless you have received specific permission from each hack author, or the author has specifically stated that redistrubution is allowed, you may not redistribute the hacks found on vBulletin.org, especially since most hack authors post solely on vBulletin.org for the reason that downloading is limited to licensed users.

[John Round]

John does come online, it's just he dosen't post...

[Steve Machol]

I concur with what tubedogg said. You would need the explicit permission of the hack author in order to redistribute a hack.

[filburt1]

Also remember if a site is distributing hacks and they themselves use vB2, then they can get their license revoked because part of the license agreement states that vB can't be used in any way that infringes copyright laws.

[Floris]

They have removed the copyrights from several hacks and changed english to french and posted the code - all my template mods are changed in bits - even used my ****ing screenshots.

Nothing in the code is rewritten, therefor they just redistributed it without permission.

http://www.vbulletin-fr.com/forum

I just reported them
and i will report them to their hosting provider too

[Corbu]

So...

They have removed the copyrights from several hacks
No, never. If you can see it, it is an error and we have to be notified for that please.

At the moment, we are in the process of asking each author by PM or mail about giving permission to vb France distribute translated hacks about them.

So if he have a "No" response, i will delete all hacks about this person (hacks translated) and if I have a "Yes" I will translate his hacks an post it into www.vbulletin-fr.com (http://www.vbulletin-fr.com)

tubedogg >>>
I'm agree with you. I want you to understand that vbulletin France wants to became official, and our first currency is to respect authors and jelsoft licence.
Also, we want to stop illegal users of vbb in france.
Jelsoft doesn't want to give permission to use the licence system in our forum. So...How can we do ?

The only solution I found now is to post an attachment containing a password. We will post that on vb.org. So only licenced users can have the password.
Wirt this pass, he will entering this in a particular system on vbfrance, after that, this person can download attachments on our forum.
As you can see, this solution is not sure. People will obtain this pass by a friend or other one... but this is the only solution to stop to having unlicenced users on our forum.

Do you agree ?

One question :
Is vBulletin Germany ask all the hackers before posting on their forum ?
Why in germany, they can use licence system with pass and login ?
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Sorry for my english

[Floris]

You are getting a big phat NO from me.

Remove all the source code hacks and all the template modifications that I have released from your web site(s). I only give permission for licensed members to download it from the sites where I release it on, these are vBulletin.com vBulletin.org vBulletinTemplates.com vBulletin.nl and creations.nl

The same goes for vB germany, they could have asked too.
There is no where on this site where I read that this stuff may also be redistributed on other sister sites.

I think that Jelsoft owns the germany domain, and they don't own the french domain.

[Corbu]

thanks for helping...:(

I delete it.

[tubedogg]

vBulletin Germany has not posted any of the hacks from vBulletin.org as far as I am aware - if any of the hacks from vB.org exist at vBulletin Germany, they were posted by their authors.

As far as the license system at vB-Germany, they are an "official" site in that they have an agreement with Jelsoft to provide support services for German-speaking customers.

If you wish to run such a site for France, you would need to talk to James and John. The best way to contact them is through the contact system (http://www.vbulletin.com/contact/).

[Corbu]

Ok, I understand now how it works exactly.

thanks

[Wayne Luke]

You are getting a big phat NO from me.
The same goes for vB germany, they could have asked too.
There is no where on this site where I read that this stuff may also be redistributed on other sister sites.

I think that Jelsoft owns the germany domain, and they don't own the french domain.


vBulletin Germany is an official international support site. While we don't own the domain or run the site, we are in close contact with the owners and I believe they are hosted on the Jelsoft servers. They also have access to the same licensing system as vBulletin.org and vBulletintemplates.com.

[caligula]

why this forum must require the permissions and not them?
http://www.vbressources.com/forums/

[Cary]

They aren't affiliated with us. People can always start an 'unofficial' site about vBulletin.

[caligula]

yes I understands it, but why vbulletingraphic must have the permission of the hackeurs to put hacks translated but not vbressource it is right which I would like to understand is a this scheme of hackeurs of vbressource with the hackeurs from here closing the site of vbgraphic but
in any way it was erases today
i am not concerne but I has an idea of the community vbulletin

[Cary]

vBResource also has to have the permission of the hack authors to distribute any hacks...

[Xenon]

@corbu: if you contact james and john like emntioned and come to the point that you're site could become the official french vb site, maybe i can make something for you, in form of making an option for each hacker of vb, if they give permissions to ALL offizial vbsites to translate their hacks, so that you just have to look into their profile and see if you could translate it :)

even so, i can just do that for you if you get official, that's about john and james :)

[Radon3k]

why this forum must require the permissions and not them?
http://www.vbressources.com/forums/
heh...I own the domain www.vbresources.com (http://www.vbresources.com) ;) Although it doesn't work right now.

[caligula]

you =www.vbresource.com with 1 S

[Radon3k]

Yes, I realize that. Just seems like that's a "rip off" although anybody is entitled to buy whatever domain they please.

[Chen]

Maybe "ressources" is in another language?

[caligula]

yes Chen "ressource" is french "resource" english

[Corbu]

@corbu: if you contact james and john like emntioned and come to the point that you're site could become the official french vb site, maybe i can make something for you, in form of making an option for each hacker of vb, if they give permissions to ALL offizial vbsites to translate their hacks, so that you just have to look into their profile and see if you could translate it :)

John was contacted since 1 week...

Xenon : Thanks a lot for what you're saying... It encourage to continue in this way.

[Nzo]

First of all, let me introduce myself …
I’m Nzo ,moderator on vbulletin-fr.com .(french support for french vb users).

Our objective: become the official vbulletin support in france.

We just want:

- To give a hight quality support for vbulletin product in french.
- Translate and share Hacks/Mod only with french vbulletin custumers.(not unlicenced)
- To show how vbulletin sofware is wonderfull and that jeloft is aware of french community.

For the moment you should admit that on this three points there is nothing. ( I hope not for a long !! J )

As you know John doesn’t want to start a french support community right now.

But we still thinking that it’s important for us to continue our work because french people really need support as much as other vbulletin customers.
We want to work in the respect of the law, as well has the regard of jelsoft as hackers of vb.org or vbt.com

So we really need to find a way to identify who’s vbulletin licenced or not in our forum.

As an unofficial site we couldn’t have the jelsoft license verification systeme but i want to ask a kestion to Xenon : (I ask it here because the thread on vb.org is closed)

Wan’t do you think about of our alternative system of license verification ?

Our syteme verification is base on “afterburner” hack (Password is need to acces to translated hack for exemple) The only way for french vbulletin customer to get the password is to go in a special thread on vb.org and download the file attachement (exemple : pass vbfrance.txt) where they can find the password. So only licenced could have the password .I know that this is not efficient at 100 % but I thinks is it the better alternative we have.

We also put in this thread how we work, we also explain why we are force to proced like that . So I’m sure that hacker can easly understand situation, that we are not hack stealers and we are very respectful of copyright etc etc ...

2nd Question for Xenon:

With this alternative verification system are you agree to making an option for each hacker of vb, if they give permissions to ALL official vbsites & vbulletin-fr to translate their hacks, so that we just have to look into their profile and see if we could translate it or no ?

Maby you could put in hacker profile something like that :
“Allow traduction for official vbulletin community and vbulletin-fr.com see thread (link to our special thread)”

So now, I sure you could better understand how motivated we are to achieve our goal.

Thx for taking time to think about it .

Take a look at the following screenshoot to give you an idea.

In english first in french for the second one.

[Corbu]

A link since vbulletin.org towards this thread was established.
This is to have their authorization to do this while waiting to become an official community...

[Martin64]

vBulletin France, keep the Hacks section of your board private until you have permission from each hack author. Whether you're an official vBulletin board or not does not matter, you must have permission from the hack authors.

When people are adding hacks at vBulletin.org, they give vBulletin.org permission to offer their hack to licensed vBulletin customers, you have simply downloaded the hacks from vBulletin.org and added them to your forum.

The content on your site is illegal, remove it.

[Wayne Luke]

Enogh has been discussed about this...

The site at www.vbulletin_fr.com (http://www.vbulletin_fr.com) needs to remove all hacks and addons that they don't have explicit permission to post on their site. Otherwise they are in violation of the vBulletin license agreement which forbids redistributing copyrighted material through vBulletin. If there current method of operation continues and we receive complaints of copyright violations, we will be forced to revoke the license and have them shut down.

Not sure how simpler of an explanation can be given at this point.

http://www.vbulletin.com/license.html