Post Moderation Idea

[Fallout2man]

Recently one of the troubles in one of the boards I admin at was a particularly defiant mod unstickying a topic a supermod had made sticky in one forum. I was wondering if vB3 could add a post moderation check that makes it so moderators can't edit threads or posts made by a supermod or admin, and supermods can't edit admin made threads or posts? It would I think help solve some minor problems, plus if someone's staff at a board then normally they should be able to correctly moderate their own topics anyway.

[Fusion]

Nice enough as far as the idea goes, but I have some issues with the fact that a piece of software would have to be coded so that it would in fact baby-sit the people that are meant to baby-sit the software and its users.

[Fallout2man]

Originally posted by Fusion
Nice enough as far as the idea goes, but I have some issues with the fact that a piece of software would have to be coded so that it would in fact baby-sit the people that are meant to baby-sit the software and its users.


The owner of that forum insists on mod elections for forums. Every so often we hold elections where anyone who wants to be a mod, even a forum newbie, can write an essay, then campaign for a vote. Polls are held after long enough, and popular vote, not modding ability, is what gets them the position. The owner has also stated once a mod is elected they cannot be removed except by another mod election being held.

That's primarily why it's a problem. The supermod in the incident was handpicked due to his intelligence and generally good record of handling things. Wherass the mod was elected recently in the last mod election.

[Fusion]

Originally posted by Fallout2man
The owner of that forum insists on mod elections for forums. Every so often we hold elections where anyone who wants to be a mod, even a forum newbie, can write an essay, then campaign for a vote. Polls are held after long enough, and popular vote, not modding ability, is what gets them the position. The owner has also stated once a mod is elected they cannot be removed except by another mod election being held.

That's primarily why it's a problem. The supermod in the incident was handpicked due to his intelligence and generally good record of handling things. Wherass the mod was elected recently in the last mod election. When you dig a grave you tend to fall in.

[Fallout2man]

Originally posted by Fusion
When you dig a grave you tend to fall in.

It's his board, instead of abolishing a tradition, a simple PHP based fix would be much better.

[Darth Cow]

Originally posted by Fallout2man
It's his board, instead of abolishing a tradition, a simple PHP based fix would be much better.

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If you ask me though, even if a moderator is elected, they should be unmodded if they start overstepping his or her authority. I know if that happened on my forums, I would certainly do that. At any rate, so can certainly try to recall this guy (have the voters vote him out).

Well, my forums kinda have moderator "elections" or at least nominations too - but only the participants are current mods. Being a moderator isn't a prize or popularity contest - it's a responsibility. If someone isn't being responsible, then that's all that should matter (at least IMHO).

[Fusion]

Originally posted by Fallout2man
It's his board, instead of abolishing a tradition, a simple PHP based fix would be much better. He/you are free to make whatever fix you deem appropriate, but I really wouldn't expect the mods to invest time to fix what could be handled on a human-level, as it were. ;)

[Fusion]

Originally posted by Darth Cow
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If you ask me though, even if a moderator is elected, they should be unmodded if they start overstepping his or her authority. I know if that happened on my forums, I would certainly do that. At any rate, so can certainly try to recall this guy (have the voters vote him out).

Well, my forums kinda have moderator "elections" or at least nominations too - but only the participants are current mods. Being a moderator isn't a prize or popularity contest - it's a responsibility. If someone isn't being responsible, then that's all that should matter (at least IMHO). Indeed. If the tradition is so important, let him play the Devil's Advocate, keep the mod, let him continue his "work", let the users get fed up, as they will, and have him booted. Everybody's happy, except the guy with the sore tush. :)

[Wayne Luke]

Personally, if a mod kept going against a Super Moderator's or my wishes on a forum that I administered, they wouldn't be a moderator anymore.

Replacing your management responsibilities with yet more technology is not a solution. If you are going to run your forums then do so. This isn't something that should be democratic or run by committee. If you own the system or are the Administrator, you should run it like any manager runs a store or other business.

[Fusion]

Originally posted by wluke
Personally, if a mod kept going against a Super Moderator's or my wishes on a forum that I administered, they wouldn't be a moderator anymore.

Replacing your management responsibilities with yet more technology is not a solution. If you are going to run your forums then do so. This isn't something that should be democratic or run by committee. If you own the system or are the Administrator, you should run it like any manager runs a store or other business. What Wayne so eloquently explains, can be summed up in three little words, fit for a mantra. You Are God.

[Techguy1]

Amen. :D LOL

[Darth Cow]

Originally posted by Fusion
What Wayne so eloquently explains, can be summed up in three little words, fit for a mantra. You Are God.

Well, hopefully a benevolent one :).

[Justice]

Wayne is so on point

[Fusion]

Originally posted by Darth Cow
Well, hopefully a benevolent one :). Whatever the situation calls for, I should hope. All-benevolent deities == suckers. :D

[Wayne Luke]

Originally posted by Darth Cow
Well, hopefully a benevolent one :).

Interestingly enough, I consider the way that I run SitePoint Forums to be a Benevolent Dictatorship. ;) I have spent over 2 years on the system and it works there.

[Fusion]

Originally posted by wluke
Interestingly enough, I consider the way that I run SitePoint Forums to be a Benevolent Dictatorship. ;) I have spent over 2 years on the system and it works there. Uhm, I suppose that's ultimately all in the eyes of the beholder. I guess if we asked some people you've banished, they won't exactly call it benevolent? :p But yes, dictatorships is the way to go, as it will always work. :)

[Wayne Luke]

Originally posted by Fusion
Uhm, I suppose that's ultimately all in the eyes of the beholder. I guess if we asked some people you've banished, they won't exactly call it benevolent? :p But yes, dictatorships is the way to go, as it will always work. :)

The 165 people who have been banned and not reinstated in the last three years might complain. Since that is about 1%, I am not overly concerned.

Usually through contact after inappropriate actions, there is not much reason to ban people. At least we work hard to not have to ban people from the forums. When I took over the Administration, there were 478 people banned from the forums. Almost all of them have been reinstated. Now we might ban 1 or 2 people a month.

[Fallout2man]

Well thanks anyway, I can make a hack myself, I just figured that other people might have this problem so I thought I'd suggest it as a potential feature. Reese owns the forums and believes in a level of democracy. I just am the guy who knows how everything works inside and out, so I administrate his board and his server, while he pays for their upkeep. He's being stubborn about this sort of thing, and to be honest if I explained the entire issue it'd be somewhat ridiculous (most of the regular members are blowing it way out of proportion IMHO). However, it was taken care of regardless.