vBulletin 3 Public Preview Site

[Floris]

I currently run version 3 beta 2, I was lucky to be picked out for the private beta test team. This helps Jelsoft to get some major bugs discovered that they maybe have overlooked and test it on more then a few different load/quality/quantity sites/servers and setups.

More then 100 bugs have been found and are almost all fixed (check the announcement forum) and I think that everybody can enjoy the public beta some time this summer.

[DannyITR]

What's public beta mean and why do you call it that?

[Cary]

The public beta in when any member of the public can start beta testing the software. (of course, if you own a license!)

[Nosferatu]

The public beta in when any member of the public can start beta testing the software. (of course, if you own a license!)

I dunno... I think the guy further up this post has a point...

What exactly is the point of a dragged out private beta test?

I think it should be a quick private beta and then a public beta running from say march till the final public beta comes out in summer.

You should just have it that if people screw up their boards then thats their problem you wont get any support.

I've ran the beta of Windows 2003 and Office 2003 for the past 3-4 months and I love playing with the new features. Yes the synonyms dont paste the words you want to replace but overall the program works.

I cant see why Jelsoft dont allow you to play with pre release stuff especially when they are already prepared to run it as their own forum software.

OTOH maybe its a case of other FREE forums copying code from Jelsoft?
Yes I could see that as being a valid point... but we all know they are going to do that (if they havent already done so) anyways.

*shrugs* I also noticed people posting before about their annual fee of $30, I'd say thats not bad considering M$ charge you lots more for their new software 18 months after the old one came out. And in between that year you get all the point releases that have appeared before. I'd say that was pretty fair... or do you want to pay another $160 in 18 months time? Personaly I'd rather pay the $60.


Ian.

[Chen]

I've ran the beta of Windows 2003 and Office 2003 for the past 3-4 months and I love playing with the new features. Yes the synonyms dont paste the words you want to replace but overall the program works.
The problems that were in vB3 before the private beta has begun were much more complex than a problem as little as synonyms not working in Office 2003. Do you really think you got to play with the beta of Windows 2003 right after it was "ready"? I can assure it was tested behind the scenes for long enough before you ever got to use it, and that's exactly what's happening with vB3 at the moment. Our mistake, apparently, was to announce vB3 too early and by that causing anticipation too early in the game.

[Nosferatu]

Do you really think you got to play with the beta of Windows 2003 right after it was "ready"? I can assure it was tested behind the scenes for long enough before you ever got to use it, and that's exactly what's happening with vB3 at the moment.

Oh I'm sure there were many... its beta 2 I'm using of Office.... so I'm sure there were many more in pre beta and alpha releases. I'm surprised actually that apart from a few crashes and the synonyms not working that is all there is. Although maybe that’s why I still use it? Instead of putting it on my pre-release pile of cdrs.

I previously used the pre alpha of MS longhorn also, you just had to download a file from the web using IE and it would crash. Am I still using it? Nope, but I wouldn’t start bitching at Microsoft because of it...


Our mistake, apparently, was to announce vB3 too early and by that causing anticipation too early in the game.

I believe you hit the nail right on the head there. I'm sure I can wait a few more months, I've waited long enough as it is. I'm not really complaining about the length of time it takes for something new to come out but I don’t see the point of this extended private beta.

My point is, I and I'm sure a lot of others here like to play with pre-release stuff because its fun. Not because we are planning on running it with 3000 members. It doesn’t necessarily have to work the way it was intended. But as long as it says pre-release or beta or whatever then we are quite content testing the ideas of others. And even reporting back found bugs that your 'special' private beta testers never found.

Does VB3 still only install as root? :cool:

Don't get me wrong, I'm not throwing a brick here at the Vbulletin team...

What's the problem with giving access to a program that does have bugs with warning saying it’s not complete, saying that it’s possible to contain major bugs, denouncing any obligation to support it and advising people that they should use a release version for any boards that they intend on using publicly?

At least THEN people can say … well that’s what it’s going to be like. THEN people can decide for themselves if they will use it or dump it on the pre-release pile.

Maybe people value one new feature of VB3 over a bug that happens every 1 out of 20 times.

All I'm saying is that you now have people who are 'yearning' to play with vb3 which keeps getting set back for whatever reason... if you let them play with it and it screws up their board... atleast they'll then know why it was set back in the first place. I'm sure many people will use VB3 public beta as their main board software once it does become availible. I think that goes against what you just said in your post.

2.30 is the 'GOLD' release of VB2 right?

How long did it take to get that status, a year?

Will 2.30 be the release you advise people who value the reliability of their forum to use? atleast until VB3.30 goes gold NEXT YEAR ?

To me that sounds like Jelsoft is running a year behind their releases. ;)

P.S wow, smilies now get inserted in messages as smilies.. and not just the code.

Thats smart... see what I mean ?

[supernut]

Our mistake, apparently, was to announce vB3 too early and by that causing anticipation too early in the game.

thats life, you learn the hard way & i hope Jelsoft does, i would just like to ask one thing off you, i see that xiphoid said in his reply that a Public Beta is going to be released in the Summer

Quoted here
(and I think that everybody can enjoy the public beta some time this summer.)


does that mean we are coming to an end for the private beta & are we looking at the end of the summer for public beta or way before ? (want to be around for release and not holidays :-) ), dont get me wrong, i am fine in waiting, but after so many months with posts all about release and what not, do you not think its possible to give us a releasable date for public beta ?, no i am not demanding, just wondering is it is at all possible to give a Beta Date, (Please note, i do not mean a full release date).

personally i would love to play with version 3 in private until it is a workable product, but thats life and we will just have to wait and see.

[Chen]

What's the problem with giving access to a program that does have bugs with warning saying it’s not complete, saying that it’s possible to contain major bugs, denouncing any obligation to support it and advising people that they should use a release version for any boards that they intend on using publicly?
There are many problems with that strategry, even though many think it's the best possible thing we could do. I'll give you two main reasons why this is not feasible:

If an ugly bug is found that can potentially cause irreversible damage to the forum data, it is a lot easier - as you can imagine - to notify a couple dozen beta testers about it rather than a few thousand customers. And in spite of the countless warning messages we may put up these customers do not expect such a bug in the software they have paid for whereas beta testers are fully aware of the risks. Bug reports can be handled more efficiently. It is easier to keep track of reports when they are posted under previously defined standards and in designated areas. Because the number of bugs in the private beta is much larger than the number of bugs in the public beta, if we were to receive bug reports from a few thousand members there would have to be duplicate reports, and from my experience - a lot of them would be. This means that the developers will not only have to gather the needed information from people who were not guided how to report bugs, but also weed through the huge amount of threads trying to separate the real reports from the bogus and duplicated.And that's just two of the major reasons behind our decisions. :)

[Chen]

thats life, you learn the hard way & i hope Jelsoft does
I know. I wasn't trying to use that as an excuse - on the contrary, I was recognizing our mistake. :)


i would just like to ask one thing off you, i see that xiphoid said in his reply that a Public Beta is going to be released in the Summer

Quoted here
(and I think that everybody can enjoy the public beta some time this summer.)
xiphiod's comment is pure speculation. We have not decided on a particular date to begin the public beta test but as the latest status update said (the one from two weeks ago), the release is imminent (http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&oi=dict&q=http://dictionary.reference.com/search%3Fq%3Dimminent%26r%3D67), and that's all we can say right now.

[supernut]

I know. I wasn't trying to use that as an excuse - on the contrary, I was recognizing our mistake. :)

i never ment anything by my comment also, i am just glade you did say that and hope we never get into this war for release again :)


xiphiod's comment is pure speculation. We have not decided on a particular date to begin the public beta test but as the latest status update said (the one from two weeks ago), the release is imminent (http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&oi=dict&q=http://dictionary.reference.com/search%3Fq%3Dimminent%26r%3D67), and that's all we can say right now.
:) i will not hold you to imminent (http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&oi=dict&q=http://dictionary.reference.com/search%3Fq%3Dimminent%26r%3D67)

[John Round]

And since Kier has gone rather "quiet" in the past few days...;)

[Nosferatu]

There are many problems with that strategry, even though many think it's the best possible thing we could do.
Thanks Chen, your response is appreciated.

Unfortunately, in the event that someone such as myself 'acquired' a pre-release version of VB3 I believe I'd be breaking the licensing agreement no?

I can see where your points could be valid. But I personally believe that a properly managed project management system wouldn’t encounter those problems. (in my experience)

I also believe that parading VB3 around but not letting those who have bought a license use it is causing more harm and aggravation to the reputation of Jelsoft than any problems that arise using the beta.

If people don’t understand that something is pre-release then they really should go see a doctor.

I think I've said it in another thread but isn’t that what backups are for?

Anyways, our views seem to differ so maybe we should agree to disagree. I'll go on my way and watch the grass grow while VB3 becomes 'releasable'

I wonder how many more bugs will be found once VB3 goes public... its been private for so long surely most of them must have been found.

I wonder how many people will say "its been private for so long, why hasn’t this been found?"

questions that would never have been asked if it was public previously.

*shrugs*

[Cyborg from DH]

If people don’t understand that something is pre-release then they really should go see a doctor.

Hmm... pre-release means 'before release', now if you released pre-release software, that wouldn't make it pre-release would it :p :p lol.

[Nosferatu]

now if you released pre-release software, that wouldn't make it pre-release would it

LOL thats very true.... *self slap on the wrist*

but then again... 'release' doesnt necessarily mean 'stable' either... *grins*

[Nosferatu]

the release is imminent (http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&oi=dict&q=http://dictionary.reference.com/search%3Fq%3Dimminent%26r%3D67), and that's all we can say right now.
no offence but doesnt imminent mean either within the next few hours, next few days.. or before the end of the week?

I'm teasing really but imminent means almost now... I think SOON would be a much better choice of words hehe.

*grins mischevioulsy*

[Chen]

no offence but doesnt imminent mean either within the next few hours, next few days.. or before the end of the week?

I'm teasing really but imminent means almost now... I think SOON would be a much better choice of words hehe.

*grins mischevioulsy*
I don't write the status updates. :)

[dreamerzrealm]

OMG!! It has been forever, my access to the control panel will end soon.. Will vbulletin 3 be out before august?!

[Dan]

I would think a public beta would... why not just renew your member's area access?

[Sme||yCat]

I have not been here for some time must be a year i think and i notice people are still asking the same questions when will vbulletin 3 beta be released, well what i want to know is what about vbulletin 4 when will that be released ? as i thought maybe i could pop back by in year or two's time to update does that sound fair?

Anyhow my version of 2.2.3 works great! and thanks guys for making a great stable version of 2.2.x

:D

[zfrank]

OMG!! It has been forever, my access to the control panel will end soon.. Will vbulletin 3 be out before august?!
Better you install another forum-software.
I installed now also other software for new projects. Can´t wait for vB3 and don´t want pay a second vB, there is so much good free software, don´t know why to pay so much and see nothing.

[zfrank]

hehe
cool bug ;)
why is text of my previous-message on the right site?
always news bugs in vb3 :D:D

[Steve Machol]

hehe
cool bug ;)
why is text of my previous-message on the right site?
always news bugs in vb3 :D:D
Not a bug. You used the [right] tag.

[N!ck]

OMG!! It has been forever, my access to the control panel will end soon (by Jelsoft's definition, I think).. Will vbulletin 3 be out before march?!

[nuno]

March? http://www.smilies.org/basesmilies3/headscratch.gif

[gogga]

wtf?
gosh, common
its like as if you won a lottery and they're not sending you the money

vB team, please, DO NOT release vB until it is fully tested and if it takes longer, let it take as much as is needed. i do not want to install a product that will crash any minute

[zfrank]

wtf?
gosh, common
its like as if you won a lottery and they're not sending you the money

vB team, please, DO NOT release vB until it is fully tested and if it takes longer, let it take as much as is needed. i do not want to install a product that will crash any minute

lol
you don´t must install a "public-beta"-version of vB3. You can wait until it is a final version. It´s your own risk if you use a beta-version.
And remember, vbulletin.com is vB3 and you see crashes any minutes???

[qxh]

They are getting closer by the da...... 2 weeks :D

[Nosferatu]

you do realise... this will all become a huge anti-climax and after a whole day of fiddling, modding, testing... debugging (yes that too) most people here will go back to their daily lifes and find something/someone else to moan at...

maybe Jelsoft should start a vBulletin annonymous or something? Because I think there will be a big empty void in peoples posting habits once VB3 goes into public beta...

That is, unless they announce VB4 6 months early ;)

And remember, vbulletin.com is vB3 and you see crashes any minutes???
I *believe* Jelsoft will have optimized this version of VB for their own purposes (servers or whatever), ironing out bugs etc as they go along.. probaly wont be the one we will get to use..

Could be wrong but I think thats how most bbs developers work (thinks about a certain llama)

EDIT: OTOH, I have to admit, if they are prepared to use it as their forum software with so many members... it must be pretty damn stable...

- either that or someone gets paid to backup the DB every so many hours :D

[qxh]

either that or someone gets paid to backup the DB every so many hours :D

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I wish :(

[Nosferatu]

lol dont we all... I'm sure its some few kb script OR.. OR

a mirrored server? (mirrored cluster of servers?)

I'd hate to see the bandwidth this forum sucks up every month... even for a vB forum !!

[qxh]

lol dont we all... I'm sure its some few kb script OR.. OR

a mirrored server? (mirrored cluster of servers?)

I'd hate to see the bandwidth this forum sucks up every month... even for a vB forum !!

Yeah, maybe. I'd sure like a copy of the script, if it is one ;)

[Wayne Luke]

I *believe* Jelsoft will have optimized this version of VB for their own purposes (servers or whatever), ironing out bugs etc as they go along.. probaly wont be the one we will get to use..


The code running here will be what you get when the beta package is released to all customers.

[version2]

The code running here will be what you get when the beta package is released to all customers.

*dances around*

Now, even I, am getting antsy! :p

[bitbender]

Looks good to me!! WHEN ??

[Dan]

How about some time in the next 50 years?

At least thats my estimate

[gogga]

lol
you don´t must install a "public-beta"-version of vB3. You can wait until it is a final version. It´s your own risk if you use a beta-version.
And remember, vbulletin.com is vB3 and you see crashes any minutes???
"any minute", no... but i see problems... lotsa problems...

i know other people see those too and they might as well report them. i don'y have time to look at the list of already reported problems and i really don't want to post dupe requests.

"bugs" will come when you break off a controlled server environment that vB has and move it to the piece of crap server that i have... i have x86 now but in the process of going SUN... how will vB work? will it crash? has it been fully tested in MY specific environment? doubt it...

eitherway, i say release the beta ASAP and i will install it but not in production env.

licence expiration? common, people, don't be so damn cheap! someone needs to pay for this server traffic! what is the renewal? it's like $80 for me since i only got 1 year licence. it expires in a month or two... i will decide if i want to keep the vB or not and will renew my licence accordingly.

i have tested many many boards out there... i ran commercial ones and switched to vB recently (10 or 11 months ago) and an very happy with the speed, support, etc.

[gogga]

lol dont we all... I'm sure its some few kb script OR.. OR

a mirrored server? (mirrored cluster of servers?)

I'd hate to see the bandwidth this forum sucks up every month... even for a vB forum !!
i donno... i'm like a third of vB.com's traffic and am nowhere near "oh my god, would you look at this" kinda bandwidth consumption

now, the photo albums are a whole another story... or when we put mp3s up online and got hit with 500 gigs in the first 3 hours... that's a whole different kind of fun

[Nosferatu]

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke
The code running here will be what you get when the beta package is released to all customers.
so what your saying is that once the beta goes public you'll upgrade this forum to that public beta...

course you'll then start hacking it again to suite your needs while everyone is playing with the original one....

[Nosferatu]

now, the photo albums are a whole another story... or when we put mp3s up online and got hit with 500 gigs in the first 3 hours... that's a whole different kind of fun

ouch :eek:


:D

[Paul]

so what your saying is that once the beta goes public you'll upgrade this forum to that public beta...

course you'll then start hacking it again to suite your needs while everyone is playing with the original one....
It's my understanding that vbulletin.com's code is updated as changes are committed to CVS.

[Nosferatu]

but isnt the CVS what they are working on rather than something stable enough to run this forum?

I'm not a CVS guru or anything but I wouldnt have thought it would have been wise to run a version directly from CVS?

[Wayne Luke]

so what your saying is that once the beta goes public you'll upgrade this forum to that public beta...

course you'll then start hacking it again to suite your needs while everyone is playing with the original one....
Once coding changes are made on the developer's machines and tested, they are committed to CVS. Once committed to CVS, they are made available here.

.
We don't hack the forum here. The only thing would have been the licensing system in 2.0 but that is not needed in vBulletin 3.0.

[speedpacket]

dfhdrht whoops - that was obviously a mistake... My apologies!

[Tungsten]

Well this is just fricking great... pirated copies of 3.0.0 are already starting to show up in the newsgroups. :mad:

No sense even reporting it through the official channels here because of relatively anonymous nature of Usenet, but it still bites that the black market already has it while the rest of us are "patiently" waiting for the official release. <sigh>

[John Round]

I know you shouldn't do this, but try downloading one of those. 9 times out of 10 the version will be just 2.3.0 or something ;)

[Tungsten]

I know you shouldn't do this, but try downloading one of those. 9 times out of 10 the version will be just 2.3.0 or something ;)
One of my co-workers who regularly surfs Usenet asked me about it knowing that I run a vB site. I'll have to get him to download it for me so that I can take a peek.

Not very happy about this. <sigh>

[Nosferatu]

lol I rest my case.

yeah it is kinda crappy...

but Johns right.... all the ones I've seen *coff* have been faked 2.3.0 releases

why anyone would bother doing that I dunno...

[version2]

I have seen a 3.0 out there, but I wont touch it. Who knows what kind of changes have been made to the code, etc. I dont trust the crap out there on usenet.

[DirectPixel]

Well this is just fricking great... pirated copies of 3.0.0 are already starting to show up in the newsgroups. :mad:

No sense even reporting it through the official channels here because of relatively anonymous nature of Usenet, but it still bites that the black market already has it while the rest of us are "patiently" waiting for the official release. <sigh>
The fact that the only copies of 3.0 released have been to the private beta testers and the devs themselves says something about how limited the "supply" is.

The chances of it getting leaked onto Usenet is horribly slim. The devs won't leak it, and the specially-picked beta testers would probably not leak it either, lest they have their license revoked.

[Nosferatu]

Personally I wouldnt have so much faith in those 'specially'-picked beta testers....

[Chen]

If anyone here really found a copy of vB3 lyring around somewhere, and want to be helpful, please download the package and send it to one of us or just send the link (chen.avinadav@vbulletin.com or anyone else's address).

[Tungsten]

If anyone here really found a copy of vB3 lyring around somewhere, and want to be helpful, please download the package and send it to one of us or just send the link (chen.avinadav@vbulletin.com or anyone else's address).
As soon as I get the copy that was reportedly posted, I'll forward it to you. I also asked my co-worker to copy the raw headers from the Usenet post in hopes that maybe it has an IP or something you guys can make use of.

[Nosferatu]

its a muted 2.3.0 ... faked to 3.0.0

just urm.. checked. *shifty eyes*

and its gone already... before someone points any pointy things at me :D

[DirectPixel]

/me points his sharp stick at Nosferatu.:p

[Nosferatu]

lol *Smack*


all in the name of edumikation :P

[qxh]

I'll go off on the hunt of vB3 - Can I install it on my test board first? :p

[Nosferatu]

I found one a month or so ago and got all excited... to find out it was just 2.3.0...

I poked about in the standard 'place' and found the one that had been mentioned.... but today I've also came across another in one of the Linux 'places' also...

All of them appear to be 2.3.0 search and replaced through the code as 3.0.0

all are 'muted' but I've had hands-on experience with muted forums to find a cease and resist message from the nice people at Jelsoft a few hours later... so I wouldn’t recommend anyone who hasn’t got a license (which doesn’t count me) to go on the look for this illusive 'muted' version of 2.3.0


:) Ian.

[Michael2]

Don't you guys think it's just a tad inappropriate to be talking about downloading free copies here?

[Russell]

Yeah.. what's going on with that?

[Chen]

Don't you guys think it's just a tad inappropriate to be talking about downloading free copies here? If the copy in question is allegedly vB3 we'd rather be informed about it than ignore it. :)

[Michael2]

If the copy in question is allegedly vB3 we'd rather be informed about it than ignore it. :)True, I just didn't expect so many people to be openly admitting that they've done it. :confused: And didn't think it would be appropriate when someone viewing this forum might get the idea to just go grab it rather than paying for it. Just seems like there are better ways for people to bring it to your attention.

[Schorsch]

what's wrong with the fact that I could download such a version?

as long as I don't install it on my web server I don't see any problems with that.

[Michael2]

I just think it's disrespectful to come here and discuss how to get vB for free. If the devs don't mind then I guess it shouldn't bother me.

[Tungsten]

If the copy in question is allegedly vB3 we'd rather be informed about it than ignore it. :)
Which is why I brought it up.

[Tungsten]

I just think it's disrespectful to come here and discuss how to get vB for free. If the devs don't mind then I guess it shouldn't bother me.
No, not disrespectful really. They are keenly aware that pirated versions are floating around out there. Thus far, 3.0.0 has apparently stayed out of the wrong hands thanks to a closed beta -- but again, that is why I mentioned this. Sending an email to the piracy snitch department isn't going to work as well when the distribution method in question is Usenet and there isn't a known site running it.

I think the thing that makes most people uncomfortable when pirated vB installations are discussed is the fact that most (all?) of us here have paid for our software and it just sucks bilge water to think that some cretin is out there running a pilfered copy.

Probably a lot like what musicians feel like when they hear about people downloading and trading MP3 files of their music. ;)

[version2]

No, not disrespectful really. They are keenly aware that pirated versions are floating around out there. Thus far, 3.0.0 has apparently stayed out of the wrong hands thanks to a closed beta -- but again, that is why I mentioned this. Sending an email to the piracy snitch department isn't going to work as well when the distribution method in question is Usenet and there isn't a known site running it.


No, it is out there. I have seen it. I know it must be VB3 because the code is vastly different than the current code (which I almost know by heart now.) But, like I said, I wouldnt use a pirated version for anything without going through the code line by line to check for backdoors, etc. And thats too much damn trouble.

Chen,

I will see if I can dig it up again and let you know.

[nuno]

No, it is out there. I have seen it. I know it must be VB3 because the code is vastly different than the current code (which I almost know by heart now.) But, like I said, I wouldnt use a pirated version for anything without going through the code line by line to check for backdoors, etc. And thats too much damn trouble.

Chen,

I will see if I can dig it up again and let you know.

I refuse to believe that. As for the differences you mention, maybe it's not even vBulletin.

So, to sum up, let's not jump into anything here, this discussion should continue in private. ;)

[version2]

I refuse to believe that. As for the differences you mention, maybe it's not even vBulletin.

So, to sum up, let's not jump into anything here, this discussion should continue in private. ;)

Refuse all you want. I also know what their coding style looks like. Ive been looking at it for two+ freakin years. :p But, I will keep my mouth shut. I dont have time to go searching for it anyway.

[nuno]

Refuse all you want. I also know what their coding style looks like. Ive been looking at it for two+ freakin years. :p But, I will keep my mouth shut. I dont have time to go searching for it anyway.

Prove it and I'll do what you say. :)

But since you brought the subject up, you do realise that you're dragging Jelsoft's credibility into the mud, don't you?

For the record, I will eat my hat if this turns out to be true.

[version2]

Prove it and I'll do what you say. :)

But since you brought the subject up, you do realise that you're dragging Jelsoft's credibility into the mud, don't you?

For the record, I will eat my hat if this turns out to be true.

Ugh, I dont have to prove it. Go look and prove it for yourself. Maybe its not even out there anymore. I dont appreciate that you are insinuating that I am lying or too stupid to know that the code was NOT 2.3.0. Good grief...

And no, Im not dragging Jelsoft's cred through the mud. Most likely one of the beta testers leaked it, or someone whom they 'trusted' grabbed it from one of their servers. I dont know.

Anyway, I will bow out of the discussion now.

[version2]

And sorry, nuno. Im a wee bit touchy today for some reason.

[nuno]

It's all good man, no offense taken. :)

[version2]

It's all good man, no offense taken. :)

None taken here either. I was just being pissy. Having a better time of it now that I am home with my family. :)

[kinter]

lol



as have I... :)

[Zecherieh]

Just had to mention on the warez bs, I have been around the net for a long time, and know people in all corners of it. I know people that run some of the biggest warez sites on the net. Nobody I have talked to has seen a real 3.0. (And Yes I have licenses for every single piece of production software I use, and I dont play games, I will admit that I download warez copies of stuff I own when my computer crashes cause its to much of *($#$% to go through the companies most of the time)

[RJ]

I will admit that I download warez copies of stuff I own when my computer crashes cause its to much of *($#$% to go through the companies most of the time

I simply burn backup copies of all my downloaded software to CD - I'd never download a pirated version. I learned a long time ago to never store your only copy on a hard drive...

[Tim Wheatley]

I think the beta testing team need a ****ing good pat on the back, it's HARD not to share with your friend... who shares with his friend, who shares with his... I've beta tested in some private game mod developments before and had my name posted as a beta tester by the developers... NIGHTMARE - you get people mailing you every day without fail trying to tempt you, people you've known for a long time... hurts to tell them to **** off... lol

[Nosferatu]

Well I dont believe it hasn't leaked... it needs to get into the right hands before its passed half way around the globe... C.O.R.E for example are one of the main VB distributers... personally I think most of their friends with a valid (or mibbie not) probaly do have a copy of it... for a lot of these people its a status symbol.

I've been thinking why it could not be distributed... depending on how many beta testers there are it wouldn't suprise me if they ID'd each one sent out so that its traceable back to the source when a leak surfaces.

I knoiw through experience officially beta testing Microsoft sutff, it has been known to happen.

I'd imagine it would be much easier and the consequences much more severe here.

Ian.

[Tim Wheatley]

I think a lot of MS stuff gets leaked on purpose. Then they watch and see what other bugs they get off the rest of the globe... lol

[Nosferatu]

LOL

although arent you mistaking that with the 'final' release? hehe

[Tim Wheatley]

Yes obviously they ignore things anyway and release it with bugs anyway... just for fun. :)

[Orfejs]

version2
The good old V2 ...

[Duke of Lions]

Yeah!

There running vBulletin 3.0.0 BETA 4 now....

Let's see the Members Section!

[Zippo]

well, i have seen sites with vB 3.0.0 and not beta ?!?

It confuses me

[Dan]

because its in public beta now read the other threads in the forums

[danb00]

err yer but even though it's beta, say of someone finds a bug in therory if your running that same version as the public version at u opening ur self up to hacking?

should you not like give out beta 4 and run beta 5 :)

for security reasons :)

[feldon23]

err yer but even though it's beta, say of someone finds a bug in therory if your running that same version as the public version at u opening ur self up to hacking?

should you not like give out beta 4 and run beta 5 :)

for security reasons :)
There are no security vulnerabilities in vB3.0.0 beta 3, 4, or the code they are running now, which is like beta 4.8 :)

[Steve Machol]

well, i have seen sites with vB 3.0.0 and not beta ?!?

It confuses me
People change or eliminate the version number that displays in the footer all the time. There is no requirement to have an accurate version number.

[DirectPixel]

/me addes "Powered by the Intuitive Auto-Reply Engine" to footer :D

[zigolo]

cool

[Asterik]

People change or eliminate the version number that displays in the footer all the time. There is no requirement to have an accurate version number.
Ya, I like how vBulletin People r leanient and let us mess with the footer abit. Some Forum Companies dun want you to do n e thing with the footer O_o It gets me peeved lol :P

[AZone]

Hmm...
Why vB3 DEVs do not do warning levels for the forum?

[MrNase]

There is no requirement to have an accurate version number.

and thats why there's maybe the beta 5 running @ vb.com even if the footer and the header says beta 4 ;)

there's no possibility to validate the version no. and since the new templates are released with rc1 we won't see a difference between beta4 and beta5 ( excerpt the 'missing' of some bugs :rolleyes: )

[feldon23]

and thats why there's maybe the beta 5 running @ vb.com even if the footer and the header says beta 4 ;)
A version number is just a stopping point. And for any software development company, that stopping point sounds like screeching brakes and shattering glass (even when it goes well).

Some people out there make their software available as CVS, meaning that each morning, there is a new version of the software. I think it's a nightmare to keep up with and would certainly make it impossible to have the # of hacks many of us use on our forums and also stay up-to-date on the software.

vBulletin has chosen to have milestone/point releases, which I strongly support.

This forum is indeed not running beta 4. It is running a CVS version, meaning every bug that is reported as "fixed" in the Bug Database is fixed here. Changes/bugfixes can be implemented almost instantaneously.

As for RC1, because of the language system changes, I'd imagine that is being worked on on an isolated test server since you can't just change part of it and have the whole thing still work.

[Erwin]

Look in your User CP, Options, at the vCard option. :) That's not in Beta 4.

[MrNase]

thx @ feldon23

you made it clear to me :)


@ erwin: right, that's new ;)

[Kasushi]

The header is teasing me. It's not beta 4! AHH!

Anyway I'd like to know if & when Beta 5 is out. It's a pain fixes bugs myself XP

[cirisme]

It is running a CVS version, meaning every bug that is reported as "fixed" in the Bug Database is fixed here. Changes/bugfixes can be implemented almost instantaneously.

IIRC, Kier said that this is not on a CVS version, but that the CVS version is on a separate test server. But certainly this is running something more up to date than anything public ;)

[Weblink]

Nice timing, lads! See, you waited 'til I was back from the wedding and all. :D
AAA

[David Copeland]

The header is teasing me. It's not beta 4! AHH!

Anyway I'd like to know if & when Beta 5 is out. It's a pain fixes bugs myself XP
Am I to assume that the final VB 3.0 will probably be delayed for sometime??

This is the issue why I have chosen not to use the beta versions.

I recall reading that 3.0 would be finalized around July 1st. Now it's August 1st and it still looks like a long way into the Christmas Holidays before it is... fixed.

Anyone?

Thanks,

David

[Steve Machol]

Since the release of the first beta we have never posted been any official date for the final version of vB3. It all depends on how well the beta versions run.

[feldon23]

I don't know about "delayed". If you want the .0 release, then it will be at least a couple of months.

[Snowy]

well the RC version would be a nice start as then vb.org can let the hacker start posting and we all can add the functions we like.

Any news on how long that may be?

[Paul]

well the RC version would be a nice start as then vb.org can let the hacker start posting and we all can add the functions we like.

Any news on how long that may be?

Yeah, actually. We all know, but we've voted last night and decided not to tell you. Why don't you read the entire thread?

[Snowy]

all 40 pages of it......

[Snowy]

sorry 41, dont be a silly boy :p

[The General]

I see the Beta 5 has just been installed here...

Groovy! =D

[Asterik]

I see the Beta 5 has just been installed here...

Groovy! =D
yayayayayayayayay when will we see this in the Membership Area?? *drools*

[DarkDelight.net]

I see the Beta 5 has just been installed here...

Groovy! =D

All I see is the text at the top has been changed.

As this is a live development site, it has ben running vB3 Beta4.x for some time now.

I would expect that a name change would indicate a readiness for release.

:crossfingers:

[The General]

Yeah... let's hope so! Finally something to do... =D

It also says so in the footer btw: Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.0.0 Beta 5

[DarkDelight.net]

It also says so in the footer btw: Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.0.0 Beta 5
That too.

[atrkyhntr]

I am hopefull the beta 5 is out for memebrs today...
My last upgrade is buggy and driving the members nuts LOL

[Zachery]

i havent ahd any problems with b3 or b4

[atrkyhntr]

They have had at minimum 160+ bugs but you have none .... I'd doubt that very much LOL

[Zachery]

i said "i" as in me, at my forums, the biggest bug i had to deal with was attachments not attaching, otherwise i have had no critical bugs


ive been using vB for abit over a year now and ive had only few major errors

[atrkyhntr]

Your forum is closed so I stand corrected...
also your running, by your footer:
Powered by: vBulletin Version 2.2.9

[Snowy]

I think beta 4 is pretty much stable, just minor things and things that you would and should expect from a beta version.

Beta 5 as i understand will have the templates all nice and tidy
usual bug fixes so i think it cant be to far off gold. I mean if beta 5 runs ok with the new clean templates then it shouldnt be long, by beta 5 stage most of the critical bugs have or must have been found.

Also with all the new functions in vb3 i think the dev team are on a learning curve also, its such a dramatic change from vb2 and a bold step forward. Congrats to all involved, its such a big and better version functionality wise

Regards
Snowy

P.S.
you know where to send the money for all the compliments :p

[Joshua Clinard]

It has already been stated that the new templates will not be available until RC1. Beta 5 has already been updated on this forum, and as you can see, the templates have not changed significantly.

[atrkyhntr]

My upgrade has had plenty of bugs but overall for a beta version you can't ask for much more...
I will be overjoyed when 5 is out...
Somewhere yesterday I read it would be out today... since its runing here I hope we're next...

[Floris]

Beta 5 is out, read the announcement forum :)

Good luck !

[Shining Arcanine]

Beta 5 is out, read the announcement forum :)

Good luck !

Are there any known bugs in vB Beta 5 yet?

[Erwin]

Works beautifully here... :D Thanks!

[Wayne Luke]

Are there any known bugs in vB Beta 5 yet?
Yes, there were 4 confirmed and 16 unconfirmed bugs listed when Beta 5 was released. This would mean that there are at least 4 minor bugs that haven't been resolved yet.

www.vbulletin.com/forum/bugs.php

[silverblade]

I'm new here and I just have a vBulletin Board.
But now I am a bit confused.
My version says v3.0.0 without any beta behind it. Which version do I have (I don't know if this is the good place for posting this)

[Steve Machol]

silverblade, to get vB support on these forums you first need to register for Priority Forum Support. To do this, please click HERE (http://www.vbulletin.com/members/forums.php) and enter your email address in one of the boxes. You'll need to have your customer number and password to access the page. Thanks.