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CeleronXT

Sat 18th May '02, 10:10pm

Is this on the v2.2.6 issue? Or something else.

Personally on the 2.2.6 issue, I think they should release it. They say they aren't because it's still being tested and there could be bugs in it etc and they don't want people to have to upgrade continuously.... Well to Jelsoft I just have to say: let that be up to the end user whether they want to upgrade or not. Just release both 2.2.6 and 2.2.5 in the admincenter and put:

v2.2.5 [stable/reccommended]

v2.2.6 [beta]

And the members can decide whether they want to wait or upgrade.

Fusion

Sat 18th May '02, 10:20pm

CelerinXT,
if I'm not mistaken, the reason this isn't done is that the current download mechanism can only feed one version, it's dynamically built and all. It's obviously a design-flaw, but until the delivery-system is re-designed, we can only expect one version.

bigmattyh

Sat 18th May '02, 10:22pm

This thread was removed from your eyes, because vBulletin staff doesn't like to give everyone the right to express their opinion freely.
You did express your opinion on this matter here (http://vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46213). You had a legitimate point about the communication of release dates; I know we would all feel a little better about a more specific time-frame being laid out.

However, your post was answered. Unfortunately, you didn't agree with the answer, and the conversation quickly devolved into a hostile argument. The post that the vB mods removed was nothing more than a re-iteration of your previous feelings on the 2.2.6 matter, coupled with more rhetoric about how you are entitled to your "right to know" about 2.2.6 and ample criticism of FireFly and tubedogg -- generally ripping into Jelsoft for their policies.

Your suggestion has been lost because the issue has been clouded with a lot of angry clutter. The me-vs.-them attitude isn't conducive to any kind of productive discussion. If you have a legitimate grievance, the appropriate thing to do would be to e-mail Jelsoft -- not to post your feelings in the support forum.

CeleronXT

Sat 18th May '02, 10:31pm

Originally posted by Fusion
CelerinXT,
if I'm not mistaken, the reason this isn't done is that the current download mechanism can only feed one version, it's dynamically built and all. It's obviously a design-flaw, but until the delivery-system is re-designed, we can only expect one version. Celerin.... lol.... They should put up two scripts then.... I assume it's a script.... Just rename the second one and feed it the second file.

TECK

Sat 18th May '02, 10:31pm

the thread in question is a different one, bigmattyh.
this thread was moved to a moderator area to be examined by the jelsoft administration. however, i think people have the right to read it.

nobody announced me that this thread was moved. i had to pm PPN, then he explained to me the issue.
i would like to equire more about the questions asked in that thread and to get answers directly from the president, from wich i will be sure not to get sarcastic remarcs.

keep in mind that i'm a customer who paid $160USD for a piece of software. as a customer, is my right to be informed.

CeleronXT

Sat 18th May '02, 10:39pm

Oooh.... the President of Jelsoft. I was thinking of the President of the United States. :p Yes, I do, however, believe that you should have the right to speak directly with him/her as you paid all of that money for a product of theirs.

Fusion

Sat 18th May '02, 10:39pm

Originally posted by CeleronXT
Celerin.... lol.... They should put up two scripts then.... I assume it's a script.... Just rename the second one and feed it the second file. nakkid, you ribbed FireFly for pointing out your typos. Now you resort to the same yourself? Nice going, bubba.

TECK

Sat 18th May '02, 10:42pm

i do not understand your question, fusion.
and yes. i removed the link in my signature. i will discuss this matter directly with the president. it will be handled in a better way.

Fusion

Sat 18th May '02, 10:53pm

Originally posted by nakkid
i do not understand your question, fusion.Sorry, nakkid, my bad, it was CeleronXT, and I suppose he's allowed, all things being equal. ;)

I must say I am a bit puzzled tho. I can see why the staff would close a thread that's improper, but I seem to recall it being pointed out that no threads would ever be removed (they can be edited to remove sensitive information, however).

If one of nakkid's threads were in fact removed, would the person responsible please explain why publicly? I realize it's most likely a case between nakkid and Jelsoft, but with nakkid starting this thread the cat's out of the bag.

tubedogg

Sat 18th May '02, 10:57pm

Originally posted by CeleronXT
Is this on the v2.2.6 issue? Or something else.

Personally on the 2.2.6 issue, I think they should release it. They say they aren't because it's still being tested and there could be bugs in it etc and they don't want people to have to upgrade continuously.... Well to Jelsoft I just have to say: [b]let that be up to the end user whether they want to upgrade or not. Just release both 2.2.6 and 2.2.5 in the admincenter and put:

v2.2.5 [stable/reccommended]

v2.2.6

And the members can decide whether they want to wait or upgrade. What seems to be at issue here is whether or not we are required to release something. The answer is, of course, we are not. We may never release 2.2.6. The likelihood of that happening, of course, is between zip and nill, but the point is just because this board is running 2.2.6 does not give you an automatic right to have it. As a license holder you are entitled to download the versions that we make available. At the current time 2.2.6 is not available. It will be made available when we feel it is ready to be released, and not before. You don't know for a fact it is even ready to be called beta yet. You are assuming this because it is running here, but this server is not running PHP4.2.1 which is the main cause of concern at this point. Up until just recently (yesterday I believe) many parts did not function correctly due to the changes in 4.2.0/.1 and making it work correctly with register_globals off. There are still issues which the devs are working through before it will be ready to run on the widest possible variety of servers.

Yes we could release it right now as beta. However then we would hear slightly different arguments. "We don't want to be your beta testers" and "Why don't you test it yourselves before releasing it" and "I'm tired of upgrading and I don't want to upgrade to a beta then to final" which despite the fact no one would be holding a gun to your head to do, people would still say that. We have enough to do without dealing with pointless argument threads that do nothing more than get everyone riled up over things that in the end really don't make much sense.

Nakkid: You can email John and James at john@vbulletin.com and james@vbulletin.com . The second thread you started was moved because it was a rehash of your first thread which was closed because it degenerated into hostility instead of a civil conversation. We have read your first thread and if we decide to change anything about the way we are doing things we will let everyone know. Posting multiple threads on the subject and attempting to end-run around a moderator's decision isn't helping us do things faster.

CeleronXT

Sat 18th May '02, 11:12pm

You shouldn't get those complaints if you allow downloads of two and someone willingly downloads 2.2.6 to be a beta tester, then they really can't complain.

I'm not denying your right to not release it, I'm only saying... oh... nevermind.... leave me alone!!!! :D

Fusion

Sat 18th May '02, 11:19pm

Originally posted by CeleronXT
You shouldn't get those complaints if you allow downloads of two and someone willingly downloads 2.2.6 to be a beta tester, then they really can't complain.The decision to allow more than one version for download is as much govermed by resources as it is willingness. I've no idea how much is spent on downloads alone in a day, but I'm quite sure it's alot. Offering more would compound that cost, and in turn quite likely raise the cost of the software. Now I'll leave you alone. ;)

tubedogg

Sat 18th May '02, 11:20pm

Originally posted by Fusion
I must say I am a bit puzzled tho. I can see why the staff would close a thread that's improper, but I seem to recall it being pointed out that no threads would ever be removed (they can be edited to remove sensitive information, however).Threads are removed all the time. Spam, porn, etc. We will generally not remove threads that have a legitimate right to be there even if we don't agree with them. However we still reserve the right to remove threads that are, as in this case, an attempt to end-run around a moderator's decision. The appropriate course of action in this case would be to ask the person who closed the thread (privately, via PM or email) why they did so. Possibly the thread could be gutted of posts that were why it was closed and allowed to be reopened, or some other solution. Starting a new thread to dispute the closing and/or repeat oneself when it has been made quite clear that we understand what they are saying is reason for a thread to be removed.

Fusion

Sat 18th May '02, 11:22pm

Thanks, Kevin.

CeleronXT

Sat 18th May '02, 11:23pm

Erm.... Who's winning this argument? It seems as if both sides present enough... stuff.... to prove their point....

tubedogg

Sat 18th May '02, 11:24pm

I like to think I am. :D

Fusion

Sat 18th May '02, 11:25pm

Originally posted by CeleronXT
Erm.... Who's winning this argument? It seems as if both sides present enough... stuff.... to prove their point.... The board-owners, here represented by the staff, will always "win", as they have the final say. It's just the way it is. :)

CeleronXT

Sat 18th May '02, 11:37pm

Yea, they do have the final say. :p

They say:

We will release vB3 today*.

vB3 get's released today.

We say:

You will release vB3 today.

They say: Screw you. :D

*It would be nice if you could do this. :)

TECK

Sat 18th May '02, 11:59pm

actually, tubedogg, i was expecting to get an answer like that on the first time. i would be totally satisfied. what bothered me was your way and firefly's to aswer to my questions, with sarcasm and attitude.

remarcs like "you act like a child", "would you like to see VB3 in beta, don't you" are ironc to my person and also insulting.
that's one of the reasons i will file a complaint to jelsoft. i do not like to have some of the jelsoft administration talk to me like that.

me, as a jelsoft customer, i'm entitled to ask any question related to jelsoft development and also to get a pertinent answer, since i paid for the license. is my right to be informed of new releases and new bugs that are fixed.

i plan to have a showcase for my website, to prove how you can implement VB as a website environment and how to control any aspect of it. the project is complete. i also expect in average 200,000 visitors/day (due to my previous website experience).
i signed with your afiliate program and i guarantee you, when people will see my site, will signup for new jelsoft licenses. i invested over 500hours in coding and webdesign.

i do not find your way of answering is one of the most professional ones, as well as firefly's. i asked about the jelsoft upgrades because my site will require alot of modifications since the code will be changed. all i wanted to know was when this new release will be available to public and why is released half way. this is not a very good policy and i strongly suggest you change it.

anyway, i will send an email to John, who happens to be a great person, from what my friends say (Sinecure), hoping this matter will be resolved in a decent way.

regards,
Floren Munteanu.

TECK

Sun 19th May '02, 12:01am

Originally posted by Fusion
The board-owners, here represented by the staff, will always "win", as they have the final say. It's just the way it is. :) that's exacly what must be changed. jelsoft exists because of US. without us, the customers, they will be doing something else. and because of that, we deserve professional courtesy.

TECK

Sun 19th May '02, 12:03am

Originally posted by tubedogg
Threads are removed all the time. Spam, porn, etc. We will generally not remove threads that have a legitimate right to be there even if we don't agree with them. However we still reserve the right to remove threads that are, as in this case, an attempt to end-run around a moderator's decision.the thread was not removed because if that (PPN's decision). actually it happens for me to have alot of respect for scott. in numerous times, he helped me with the code and he was always kind to me.

the thread i started and removed was related to customer service.

tubedogg

Sun 19th May '02, 12:33am

None of us except possibly you are referring to any threads you started and removed. The thread in question is the one you started and we removed.

bigmattyh

Sun 19th May '02, 12:34am

Originally posted by nakkid
... jelsoft exists because of US. without us, the customers, they will be doing something else. and because of that, we deserve professional courtesy.
You should realize that it isn't that simple.

Whether you've intended it or not, you've had an attitude of entitlement about this whole process -- which puts a lot of people off. You've given the impression of a belligerent customer rather than a courteous and respectful one, clamoring on about how you deserve this and that... and that isn't the way to get answers.

I don't care how much money you've spent, or what you think you deserve; in any business, if you don't treat the staff with courtesy, you won't get it in return. It might not be "professional" to react to a customer with so many demands with some resistance, but as long as you're still dealing with people, it's your responsibility to be courteous and diplomatic, too. That is, if you want to get what you want.

tubedogg

Sun 19th May '02, 12:42am

Originally posted by nakkid
me, as a jelsoft customer, i'm entitled to ask any question related to jelsoft development and also to get a pertinent answer, since i paid for the license. is my right to be informed of new releases and new bugs that are fixed.You are entitled to ask questions. We do not have to answer them if we feel we cannot or do not want to for some reason. We are not giving a release date for 2.2.6 because we are not sure when it will be released. It will be released soon.

i do not find your way of answering is one of the most professional ones, as well as firefly's. i asked about the jelsoft upgrades because my site will require alot of modifications since the code will be changed. all i wanted to know was when this new release will be available to public and why is released half way. this is not a very good policy and i strongly suggest you change it.It was not released "half-way". It is being test-run on a handful of sites (3 as far as I know) and we have the right to do that. As I previously stated we have the right to not release it at all, and you do not have a god-given right to have it as soon as any site is running it. To repeat myself, you paid to have access to the versions we allow you to have access to, which is not necessarily the same thing as the versions you want to have access to.

You said that you wanted to know why 2.2.6 was "half-released" and that you didn't want to look through endless threads for bits of information. In fact, John posted (http://vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45395) an announcement stating that 2.2.6 was being readied and would be released soon. That was in the announcements forum where all announcements are posted.

anyway, i will send an email to John, who happens to be a great person, from what my friends say (Sinecure), hoping this matter will be resolved in a decent way.Please do email John. He is a very reasonable person and I'm sure he will respond to you as soon as he has a chance. I will make a predication though. Your email will not prompt 2.2.6 to be released any sooner than it would be anyway, nor will our policy regarding how we do releases change.

TECK

Sun 19th May '02, 3:02am

thank you for the information.

Anime-loo

Sun 19th May '02, 4:28am

Originally posted by nakkid
that's exacly what must be changed. jelsoft exists because of US. without us, the customers, they will be doing something else. and because of that, we deserve professional courtesy.

and we get professional courtesy, have you ever posted a problem on IP's forums?, the suport is slow, i got my questioned answered here in no time, the problem with some people (note i said some in no way singling you out by any means) is that they expect a reply in minutes, the people at jelsoft have many issues to suport daily, i 100% understand this, and has for the "not having vB 2.2.6", i would much rathe rhave something that was tested form top to bottom then a buggy script that would and can leave holes in the system.

jelsoft is doing a damn good job, it has the best suport of any company forum system ive used, be glad your not begin suported by the people at iB :)

take me for example, i had a VERY over hacked ubb, i had no reason to change forum scripts, and i used to have a extream hate for vB, however, once i visted the site, and saw the suport that was givin to the customers i quickly got converted, i love the vB now, and im having way to much fun playing with it :), jelsoft is one of the best places out there to get your forum script from, and im happy, i got what a paid for and even more.

Babylon

Sun 19th May '02, 9:23am

Originally posted by tubedogg
Please do email John. He is a very reasonable person and I'm sure he will respond to you as soon as he has a chance. I will make a predication though. Your email will not prompt 2.2.6 to be released any sooner than it would be anyway, nor will our policy regarding how we do releases change.

I'd like to say, tubedogg, that none of us want vb released until it is stable, and i feel that betas should only be released to a set few.

Although some people enjoy beta testing (and i myself enjoy beta testing and have beta tested for macromedia, and microsoft) there are security issues which surround it, and it's great to know that jelsoft take this very seriously and only release stable versions of vbulletin.

But... Although an announcent may have been released concerning vb2.2.6 it wasn't that clear to see where on the announcements board, so if a topic was entitile "Vb2.2.6 beta released" like with the "vb2.2.5 released" topic names, and some information about the beta / where it was released to, this would perhaps be more helpful.

Anyway, i don't like to complain about vb because you offer a great service, and are almost always extremly helpful.

~babylon

Scott MacVicar

Sun 19th May '02, 9:47am

The reason that 2.2.6 is taking time is due to the register_globals off being made to work and other issues with php 4.2.1 this has been done more or less. There has also been numerous bug fixes added to the CVS code, as said by quite a few people previously in this thread you don't want to upgrade and then given the task of upgrading again in a few days after more bugs are found.

If you want to know i deleted and closed the other thread because they were ending up off topic and any issue that was going to be discussed relevant to the topic had already been done.

HairyMonster

Sun 19th May '02, 5:40pm

For once in the history of Jelsoft they are testing it properly before sending it out on the masses so ffs give them a break and let them get on with it.

How many have moaned about buggy code (Myself included) well then just let them get on with the job in hand and when its ready its ready.

If then it dont work I will be stringing them up by the nads on ubb lol

Joking

Its nice to see that its being put through its paces for once instead of thrown out with bugs still in.

HM

JamesUS

Sun 19th May '02, 6:09pm

By letting us test 2.2.6 more fully, it will become a better and more reliable product. vBulletin 2.2.6 will be the last in the 2.x series of vBulletin so needs to be the best :) It will be the one that leaves a lasting impression on vBulletin and will be around for a long time to come on sites that choose not to upgrade to version 3 straight away.

I'm sure you would agree that it would not be fair to release the product before it is good and ready.

tubedogg

Sun 19th May '02, 8:06pm

Originally posted by HairyMonster
For once in the history of Jelsoft they are testing it properly before sending it out on the masses so ffs give them a break and let them get on with it.I take enormous issue with that as you have no idea how much previous releases have been tested. This one happened to get announced a little early but it is going through the same thing that every release goes through.

hypedave

Sun 19th May '02, 9:35pm

Originally posted by JamesUS
By letting us test 2.2.6 more fully, it will become a better and more reliable product. vBulletin 2.2.6 will be the last in the 2.x series of vBulletin so needs to be the best :) It will be the one that leaves a lasting impression on vBulletin and will be around for a long time to come on sites that choose not to upgrade to version 3 straight away.

I'm sure you would agree that it would not be fair to release the product before it is good and ready.

can I hold you to your word on that , if you have so much faith that it will be the last of the 2.2.X series. not trying to get any started, thats all I wanna know if I can hold you to your word :rolleyes:

bigmattyh

Sun 19th May '02, 11:19pm

Well, given all the info about vB3, I'm a little surprised that there would even be a 2.2.6. But I can totally understand. I assume that vB3 will go through the usual beta to release candidate to full release process, and that ought to take a couple of months, I would think. (At least the process took at least a couple of months for vB2.) And given how long the devs have been talking about vB3, I would think that the beta version would be right around the corner. Even if you don't believe the promise, barring any major upheavals to the schedule, I think the track record points in favor of what JamesUS said.

hypedave

Sun 19th May '02, 11:39pm

I am willing to bet that there will be a vb 2.2.7
because I find it odd that vb 2.2.6 will be the last of the 2.2.X series, I mean whats gonna happen, when vb3 comes out and then a security hole is discovered in 2.2.6 , are they gonna make the customer's who dont want to upgrade to vb3 upgrade, certainly I think not, or will they just stop supporting vb 2.2.x when vb3 is out, either way it goes I dont believe that I personally can believe that vb 2.2.6 will be the last of the 2.2.x Breed. I mean what happens if mysql has found a huge bug in their software and they have to rewrite their whole code, which would mean that vb 2.2.X and vb3 would have to be rewritten as well, or what happens if php has a big security problem wich mean they have to totally rewrite their code again to , wich would then mean that again vb would have to be re written all over again. James I hope you get a clear understanding of what im trying to say, because some some of your vb team members like tubedogg cant understand a non americans way of trying to write something down in English. So by saying that I think you guys need to look at the word TEAM. wich lets me know that as a team you all think alike, am I right or wrong

TECK

Sun 19th May '02, 11:43pm

most of recent releases were related to security holes, due to ways found by hackers on how to penetrate the VB security. is hard for me to believe VB226 will be that last version out of 2.x series. is true that register_globals set to OFF will help alot stop any malicious code. but still.

TECK

Sun 19th May '02, 11:48pm

Originally posted by bigmattyh
Well, given all the info about vB3, I'm a little surprised that there would even be a 2.2.6.bigmattyh, when do you think VB3 will be released? in 1month? is hard for me to believe this. i dont expect to see it out before 6months. at least. that's my personal oppinion. i see the devs not mentioning an exact date, so i assume that it will never be before 6 months. time will prove me wrong.

bigmattyh

Sun 19th May '02, 11:54pm

Some of the recent releases were due to security concerns, but most of the upgrades in the 2.x.x series have been due to added features.

I doubt that after 2.2.6 (the PHP 4.2 globals fix), there will be many more security holes to discover. I believe vB2 went many many months without a major security fix. Each release gets tighter.

TECK

Sun 19th May '02, 11:57pm

only me i know 5 security breaches that were fixed in VB2.x and i'm a novice. imagine the pro's. trust me.

bigmattyh

Mon 20th May '02, 12:03am

Originally posted by nakkid
bigmattyh, when do you think VB3 will be released? in 1month? is hard for me to believe this. i dont expect to see it out before 6months. at least. that's my personal oppinion. i see the devs not mentioning an exact date, so i assume that it will never be before 6 months. time will prove me wrong.

I believe vB3 has been in development since November or December of this past year. Some of the security issues that were discoverd in the last few months may have distracted from vB3's progress, but overall, my impression is that the project has been progressing at a steady pace.

I don't know the current status of the beta version, but having seen a screenshot of it, it appears that the core of the new vB3 has been in working order since late March/early April. The core is a substantial leap forward from vB2.

I also know that one dev predicted that beta.jelsoft.com might be opened by early April, leading me to believe that progress has come a lot further than we might have otherwise thought. Of course, it hasn't been opened yet, but that only tells me that the devs are really working hard on adding new features.

Neither you or I or anyone else who isn't a dev or mod knows when it will be released. But I would prefer to be optimistic, given everything I know about the information regarding vB3, but more importantly, the talent of the team working on the project.

John

Mon 20th May '02, 12:16am

All the 2.2.x series have been bug fixes and fixes to security holes. It has not been our intention to release so many, but in the interests of always having a secure version available, we will keep on releasing fixes as long as vB2 is supported. 2.2.6 will be available as soon as we think it is ready. We may well still release it as beta alongside 2.2.5 so as to get it tested on a few more sites first.

vB3 will be released when it's ready: it is progressing very nicely at the moment, believe me :D

John

TECK

Mon 20th May '02, 12:18am

good to hear this comming from you, john.

XiXora

Mon 20th May '02, 3:41am

why cant they test the product nakkid?

bigmattyh

Mon 20th May '02, 3:47am

I believe Nakkid wanted better communication, XiXora -- not to complain about testing the software.

XiXora

Mon 20th May '02, 3:51am

oh i c. i aint read the thread yet. i just have :p id love to get a bit of info but i dont think i'll get vb3 yet. my site rewrite has stopped cos of it :p

Chen

Mon 20th May '02, 9:09am

TECK

Mon 20th May '02, 8:08pm

thanks for the information, firefly.

TECK

Mon 20th May '02, 8:17pm

to the person who voted 1star on this thread:
if you have something to state related to my thread, please post it here. your rating is unapropriate, since this thread was addressed to VB administration. i doubt that any of Jelsoft staff rated this thread.

regards,
Floren Munteanu.

bigmattyh

Mon 20th May '02, 8:19pm

Do we have to go down this road...?

TECK

Mon 20th May '02, 8:24pm

there are some people bigmattyh who dont have the honesty to be open and say what they think. instead they rate the thread to 1. that's all i have to say, is self explanatory.

bigmattyh

Mon 20th May '02, 8:27pm

Why is the thread rating such a big deal?

TECK

Mon 20th May '02, 8:31pm

since you asked, is funny but i get 1star ratings only from one person, all the time. in all the threads i start, here at vB.com or vB.org.

Floris

Mon 20th May '02, 8:46pm

It is funny to see you say this should be a public thread,
then to read that this was only meant for the vB staff.
(Maybe that is why they put it in the staff board?)

It is funny to see you say something about the thread rating in all of the threads you start, here and on vBorg, where people rate you.

You also seem to 'see' who rate your thread, while this is impossible for you to know/guess. Unless some of the vB staff is corrupt, and I doubt that.

Maybe someone has a thought about this thread, and maybe likes it or not. That is what rating is for. Otherwise it would be disabled. If someone votes a 1 or lower then 4, don't start complaining about that. Guessing and assuming stuff doesn't get you anywhere. And.. maybe they don't post their argument for the vote here, because it might seem offtopic, and looks like ranting or attacking a person, just like I am doing now. Which doesn't get this conversation any further, but closed. If one person keeps voting a 1 for you, and that is incorrect, then the average will bring it up again. So I also see no reason to worry about that.

The world doesn't swirl around you, and the world isn't personally against you.

I think that if you need to contact an official personal from JelSoft, then posting an support ticket is the most appropiate way. You can do this through the Members Area, the person getting the mail will tag it to the appropiate person, which will reply in a timely matter. As with most companies that you purchased a software / hardware from, especially through the internet.

To me, after reading several of your comments towards users and certain discussions, issues both on this site as well as on vbulletin.org, to me.. this looks like you are projecting some personal frustrations around for free. Because with threads like this, it is almost obvious now none-officials are reacting. Hell, even I have trouble staying nice and saying nice. So, already sorry for that. Because I do not want to personally attack you.

TECK

Mon 20th May '02, 8:56pm

is nothing to worry about it, xiphoid. is just that i'm not very good being 2faces. that's all.
anyway, my questions were answered already, so i'm satisfied with the words received from Jelsoft administration.

Floris

Mon 20th May '02, 9:03pm

Originally posted by nakkid
, my questions were answered already, so i'm satisfied with the words received from Jelsoft administration.
Happy to hear that.

GameCrash

Tue 21st May '02, 4:08am

Just to tell you: if you put your mouse over the stars you will see that there were 5 users and they have all rated with 1 star - I personally would think about the "why"...

TECK

Tue 21st May '02, 4:11am

well, when i posted there was only one. i guess they enjoyed that last post about the rating and decided to make it more visible as rated 1.

Fusion

Tue 21st May '02, 4:41am

It would seem you take more offense to the lowest rating than no rating at all? If so, keep in mind that the rating is also a way to tell others how they feel, in reference to your asking people to be honest and say how they feel. Maybe this is how they feel about this, the only difference is, you don't get to see who those n people are, that made up the average of a 1 star-rating.

Floris

Tue 21st May '02, 5:02am

Originally posted by nakkid
well, when i posted there was only one. i guess they enjoyed that last post about the rating and decided to make it more visible as rated 1. I think so too.

Originally posted by Fusion
It would seem you take more offense to the lowest rating than no rating at all? If so, keep in mind that the rating is also a way to tell others how they feel, in reference to your asking people to be honest and say how they feel. Maybe this is how they feel about this, the only difference is, you don't get to see who those n people are, that made up the average of a 1 star-rating. Now I wonder if it is smart to enable 'karma' in vB3 on this support forum.