226 not for members?

[TECK]

i dont know about other people, but i think is not correct that vb.com and vb.org have 226 released for their usage and us, the little guys have to wait.
i understand that you probably want to test the code in a large forum, but still. i want the upgrade as much as you guys want to test it.

at least, mask the version to 225 so nobody would know that you actually run 226 instead. is a simple query that must be performed.
vB.org had 226 up for a week and people felt bad that they cant get it also.

usually here at vB.com, you respected the rules and released the software in the same time you upgraded the forums. is like:
"you see? we have it installed, but you will not get... for now, even if you paid for the license..." i spoked to PPN today and he told me that 226 will be released in few days. tubedogg told me the same thing a week ago.

i never saw a company releasing software in public half way. is like i go to microsoft and i see the staff showing in public they use Internet Explorer 7 in their computers, but me i can get only IE6.

please clear my thoughts on this if they are wrong.

[Scott MacVicar]

The new edition of vBulletin is in beta, as vBulletin.com and vBulletin.org are on the same server they run the betas to find any bugs that might occur in the current releases.

There has been some bug fixes and the code has been made to work with register_globals on, there has been many other bug fixes implemented in the last 2 days.

You wouldn't want a partially buggy version, that would mean updating your board yet again when the current bugs are resolved.

Also in query to why the version umbers are changed, if there not and there is a bug on one forum and they try it here and it doesn't work (because its been fixed) and they see the versions are the same they'll think its something up with their server / vBulletin when its really an issue with the software.

[TECK]

hmm so they test it here?beta code in mass production? this is wierd.
i thought jupiter server is for this.

[Scott MacVicar]

well its designed stable enough for testing, and if we can test it on a live enviroment it has a greater potential for people pointing out any bugs that may exist than it does with the handful of vBulletin staff on the beta server.

[TECK]

you are absolutelly right PPN. except nobody announced nothing. jelsoft should at least let the users know about this matter.

that is my hole point.

[Scott MacVicar]

Ok i'll speak to John about it and see if we can get a sticky added somewhere on something mentioned in the members area to this affect.

[Chen]

Sorry but you are just acting like a little child.

Originally posted by nakkid
vB.org had 226 up for a week and people felt bad that they cant get it also.
No one felt bad they can't have it... people ask all the time when it's going to be released but no one cries because we use it and they don't.

Originally posted by nakkid
usually here at vB.com, you respected the rules and released the software in the same time you upgraded the forums. is like:
"you see? we have it installed, but you will not get... for now, even if you paid for the license..."
This has nothing to do with "rules", I don't know what you're talking about. This is a normal procedure most software companies use, it's called testing the software. Like Scott said, it's being tested here and not privately so more people can use it. Not once and not twice a bug was found and fixed before the official release, which is the whole point of this.

Originally posted by nakkid
i never saw a company releasing software in public half way. is like i go to microsoft and i see the staff showing in public they use Internet Explorer 7 in their computers, but me i can get only IE6.

So you're telling me they don't use new software until they release it, so everyone can use it? Come on, wake up.

Before each release the vB Team download the new release and test is on their own board. John also uses the new release at VBforums.com.

Originally posted by nakkid
hmm so they test it here?beta code in mass production? this is wierd.
i thought jupiter server is for this.
The code is always tested in the beta site, always. When it's usable, we are notified and use it live, so more than 10 people can test it.

It's not like we're using vB3 5 months before it's released, that is not the case. If anything, you should thank us for taking the time and thoroughly test the software on large sites to make sure it's as bug-less as we can make it.

[GameCrash]

Nakkid, what the hell do you want? Do you want they test it on Jupiter (on a non-real environment) where it wouldn't be possible to test every case and then they release it to the public. The users now find some bugs and Jelsoft releases 2.2.7 two days later and so on... would you like to upgrade weekly because no one did a really good test before releasing? Would you like to re-apply your hacks every week? No, not with me! So this is the best way I think...

[mister]

I'd rather have them run it on here for a few weeks, than have to upgrade to 2.2.7 less than 3 days after I install & re-hack 2.2.6.

The time waiting is worth it.
I don't want to re-hack every 2 days.

[TECK]

Originally posted by GameCrash
Nakkid, what the hell do you want?who do you think you talk GameCrash?? your brother?? watch your language, got it? when i talk to you like that, then i allow you to adress to me in the same maner!!! what i want is clearly stated in the posts above.

firefly, your comments like the child thing you can keep them for yourself. you are not my father to dress me up and down the way you want. i noticed that everywhere i post something you cant stop criticising me.. from misspeling things and trying to make me look bad because i do code mistakes.

"why would you wanna unset loggedin there??" if you are such a smart person, instead if acting like that, you better explain why is not done... why do you have to ask why this and that? when i cleary stated in that thread that i dont know and i simply want to learn??

"So you're telling me they don't use new software until they release it, so everyone can use it? Come on, wake up." they dont use it open, VISIBLE. or if they do, they post a manifest and have hundreds of beta testers who voluteer for this, wich is not the case here. that is what i was referring to. like i said before, you go to microsoft site and they post screen shots with IE7, but they let you download IE6 only.

honestly i really dont care what you think about me. but what i care is the way you talk to me. we are not relatives, but complete strangers. you are not happy with the way i talk, there is no need to talk to me.

trust me i dont expect to get any help anymore on any of the boards after taking the "guts" to say straight what i think right now. and yes i admit that sometimes i had issues with people because my way of saying things. well those people accepted my apologies.

this time i dont see nothing offensive on what i asked. i needed some clarification on this. is it wrong to ask?? only in comunist era used to be like that, you cannot ask or form your oppinion on something.

take a look freddie, who thought that i'm some "smart" one...after discussing with him in a thread the issue, he apologised to me because he miss judged me.

i dont see who gives you the right to attack my person in any verbal way, firefly and gamecrash. you have something to say, say it decent.

that's all i have to say.

[GameCrash]

Well, what I said is what we would say in germany (okay, maybe only in bavaria :p), if you in the us (or whereever) interpred this in a different way, then sorry. I did not want to offend you...

[GameCrash]

Originally posted by nakkid
"So you're telling me they don't use new software until they release it, so everyone can use it? Come on, wake up." they dont use it open, VISIBLE. or if they do, they post a manifest and have hundreds of beta testers who voluteer for this, wich is not the case here. that is what i was referring to. like i said before, you go to microsoft site and they post screen shots with IE7, but they let you download IE6 only.

Is this so different? Invisible = beta.jelsoft.com. Visible = the ten (?) beta testers that already run vB 2.2.6 on their sites...

[TECK]

please clear my thoughts on this if they are wrong. i said...

all i asked was a little bit more information.. scott was kind and polite and explained to me all. i was happy with his explanations.
now you have to come you guys and hammer me... dont you see the discussion was closed and all my questions were answered?

and is a good thing to let users know that jelsoft runs a beta software on their sites. i would even highlight it:
"please let us know if you encounter and wierd errors in this area and this area."

it it wrong the way i think? no. or maybe yes in your eyes.

[TECK]

and yes. a detail i forgot. i never saw vB.com using the code as "test", before was released to the public.
i must of been blind and didnt see well. i dont have firefly's eyes to screen for every little word.

[GameCrash]

Originally posted by nakkid
and yes. a detail i forgot. i never saw vB.com using the code as "test", before was released to the public.
i must of been blind and didnt see well. i dont have firefly's eyes to screen for every little word.

This is done with the most releases... but normally it takes a maximum of 1 or 2 days...

This release is different, it seems they have changed very much code to get the vB php 4.2 compatible...

[TECK]

thank you for the information gamecrash. i never noticed this.

[tubedogg]

Originally posted by nakkid
i dont know about other people, but i think is not correct that vb.com and vb.org have 226 released for their usage and us, the little guys have to wait.You're really not going to be happy when the beta board is opened for vB3, are you?

[TECK]

Originally posted by tubedogg
You're really not going to be happy when the beta board is opened for vB3, are you? what kind of question is this kevin? especially comming from you?

[tubedogg]

I think it's a perfectly valid question. You seem to be extremely upset that the owners of vBulletin have access to something you don't, and I think you're blowing it completely out of proportion, and I think you're inventing things along the way. vB2.2.6 is in *private beta* right now, meaning only certain people have access to it, mods & devs among them. You do not because it is not available to the general membership yet. We have the right to do that, no matter what you think, or what you think Microsoft does (which by the way is completely irrelevant).

It will be available to you when it is made available to everyone else. You are the only one I have seen that is upset by this and I think you're going overboard with it.

[tubedogg]

Originally posted by nakkid
i never saw a company releasing software in public half way. is like i go to microsoft and i see the staff showing in public they use Internet Explorer 7 in their computers, but me i can get only IE6.If you went to Microsoft you would probably find them using a lot of things that you can't. They can do that because they are creating the products and they can do whatever they wish with them.

We did this when vB2 was in private beta. It was available to some people but not the general membership. Is that unfair? No. Is that wrong? No. Are you going to be unhappy when that is done for vB3? Probably. Are we going to lose sleep over it? No.

[tubedogg]

Originally posted by nakkid
"So you're telling me they don't use new software until they release it, so everyone can use it? Come on, wake up." they dont use it open, VISIBLE. or if they do, they post a manifest and have hundreds of beta testers who voluteer for this, wich is not the case here.Actually they test it extensively internally first and only then is it released to a limited beta.

At any rate comparing the beta cycles of client-side software to server-side software is flawed, at best. They are different circumstances.

[Chen]

Originally posted by nakkid
who do you think you talk GameCrash?? your brother?? watch your language, got it? when i talk to you like that, then i allow you to adress to me in the same maner!!! what i want is clearly stated in the posts above.
Since English is not your native language, you probably don't know that "What the hell..." is just a figure of speech, with no mean to disrespect the listener. You should watch your language, the quote above is far from being nice, if I were GameCrash I would be offended by it. You can't just go around giving people orders, and GameCrash didn't even do anything wrong! Cool it, mister.

Originally posted by nakkid
firefly, your comments like the child thing you can keep them for yourself. you are not my father to dress me up and down the way you want. i noticed that everywhere i post something you cant stop criticising me.. from misspeling things and trying to make me look bad because i do code mistakes.

honestly i really dont care what you think about me. but what i care is the way you talk to me. we are not relatives, but complete strangers. you are not happy with the way i talk, there is no need to talk to me.

this time i dont see nothing offensive on what i asked. i needed some clarification on this. is it wrong to ask?? only in comunist era used to be like that, you cannot ask or form your oppinion on something.

i dont see who gives you the right to attack my person in any verbal way, firefly and gamecrash. you have something to say, say it decent.
So, now you are comparing GameCrash and me to communists? Nice going. I really don't know what you want, my post had nothing but decent things in it. There was nothing offensive in my post, so I don't understand why you need to shout at me like that. If you cannot handle what people say to you, don't read their posts. You seem to be offended by every word that comes out of my mouth. You are just being overdefensive, and a bit paranoid too.

Originally posted by nakkid
"why would you wanna unset loggedin there??" if you are such a smart person, instead if acting like that, you better explain why is not done... why do you have to ask why this and that? when i cleary stated in that thread that i dont know and i simply want to learn??
But first I want to realize why you wanted to do it to begin with. Otherwise how can I tell you what your mistake is? Instead of thanking me for wanting to help you, you (once again, am I seeing a pattern here?) yell at me. Maybe I shouldn't bother?

Originally posted by nakkid
"So you're telling me they don't use new software until they release it, so everyone can use it? Come on, wake up." they dont use it open, VISIBLE. or if they do, they post a manifest and have hundreds of beta testers who voluteer for this, wich is not the case here. that is what i was referring to. like i said before, you go to microsoft site and they post screen shots with IE7, but they let you download IE6 only.
I have no idea what you are talking about but I'm sure Kevin's last post explains it...

[Floris]

Because vBulletin.com and any other site that has permission from the developers to 'test' any type/kind of version, runs a version that you do not have, doesn't mean you have the 'right' to get it. Or they are 'obligated' to make some kind of official statement about anything. The members area and the back-end of the forum you run, both show the latest build which is available for public, for download. I think that is official announcement enough for me.

[Babylon]

Ok, i don't really want to get into this argument all that much (and i like vb a lot) but i think you are all going a bit over board.

I personally agree with 'Nakkid'; it would be nice if vbulletin made an announcement that explains they are currently working on a new version (as he said, you could ask people to mention problems and what not) rather than just installing a new version (vb2.2.6) and barely mentioning it to anyone, esp when you can't download yet.

When he mentioned microsoft and how they beta i agree with and understand what he was talking about. Firstly, they don't usually tell people something like "We have released a beta to our small beta testers group" (kinda in your face "we have this but you can't have it" otherwise, is it not). At least it's not obvious when they beta test new versions of their software which have been released to a small betatest group or otherwise, unlike vb.

Secondly, when they do start running a new vesion of something and have it widely available (public beta), for example IE6, they announce it and allow you to download and test it for yourself meaning you can help them fix bugs, which may otherwise go un-noticed.

[Floris]

Originally posted by Babylon

Secondly, when they do start running a new vesion of something and have it widely available (public beta), for example IE6, they announce it and allow you to download and test it for yourself meaning you can help them fix bugs, which may otherwise go un-noticed.

vBulletin will do the same.

Before vBulletin version 3.0 goes gold, there will probably be a few beta's out, for people to run and test and return comments on. Then a few Release Candidates, and then the gold version.

however,
if some kind of bug is found, especially some that concern security, it is pretty nice to update that and test it, prior to release, yet only to prevent mass hacking etc. When its stable, it can be released to the public for download. And at that time, they will be announced that fact. Untill that time, they can manually patch several bugs (see bugs board) and otherwise just sit out. I see no reason why every little fix should get announced a timeline etc.

[Scott MacVicar]

This is getting off topic, closing.

Quick Summary:
vBulletin 2.2.6 is first used on the beta site, it is then released to a handful of beta sites, these are vBulletin Team members and vBulletin.com for wide area testing. Bugs can then be fixed before going out final to all members.

You'd rather have to upgrade once than upgrade to 2.2.7 a couple of days later after some bugs are found.