Check out OT, glad I did not wait!

[werehere]

Did you see the Open Topic Release?

This is totally rediculous, check it out for yourself:

http://www.infopop.com/services_ot/services_ot.html


Limits on everything and then some:( Glad I am happy running my vBulletin:)

[JimF]

That's crazy! You can have more members and messages by getting the friggin' free version!

It seems like all the great new features they've been hyping up are only available on the "Enterprise Edition", which will cost you $1,000. Un frigginbalievable! Lol, I agree with you, I'm glad I didn't wait...

[werehere]

Yeah I said "glad I did not wait!", but it is not like I was ever really considering it anyway, but I had to laugh when I saw it.

[Mark Hewitt]

They are not just off topic - they are off their heads!

http://www.motorsportforums.com/ubb/smilies/laughing.gif

[wandrer]

Unbelieveable...

First they release OT, then they drop leased licenses, then they raise the UBB price, then they triple the yearly fee for membership access...

sheesh...

All that for a perl program that can't support more than 100K posts on a 'normal' computer.

If this isn't a press release promotion for vbulletin, I don't know what is !

[take5]

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300,000 $160.00 $179.95
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500,000 $260.00 $279.95
700,000 $310.00 $329.95
800,000 $400.00 $419.95
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[firewire]

Originally posted by wandrer
If this isn't a press release promotion for vbulletin, I don't know what is !

That's why I came here today :)
The days of my UBB are counted :)

[Martin]

werehere, can you imagine what we'd hafta pay at 50k+ pageviews/day?

*starting* at $1000/month???? holy #$%@ batman!

[werehere]

Yeah it is a crock:)

I have a deal with hosting and pay only a fraction of that for a dedicated box, and a good one at that. Not for me that is for sure!

[Martin]

when my year runs out at interland my price for a dedicated "full-blown" server will *still* be less than what it would cost me to host with OT.

I think Ted's smoking crack...

[SonnetCelestial]

All right I understand why you all are unhappy with UBB because I was left without a host also. But do you have to make it such a freaking violin screeching drama?? Wouldn't you feel stupid if Vbulletin up and crashed one day when UBB suddenly released the most awesome product in the universe? Would you suddenly hate vbulletin to death and said they betrayed you if they couldn't catch up with UBB? This is what you are doing. Take it from their point of view although I'm sure you wouldn't admit fault if this indeed happened.

Why can't you just take your losses and move on when they're obviously trying to help customers out? The code is $170, now $199 and I admit that's a lot. I like vbulletin too and I would probably buy a lease for it. But in no means am I going to go and THREATEN Ted because I know have such a wonderful code. You get upset it's okay to ask for something else but if you knew they could not deliver before your needs then stop waiting and move on quietly. They did as much as they could and if you can't wait then understand that.

So Does it make you feel good to smack down ted behind his back when he's still coding the ubb in sql for us? What purpose does that do? I doubt he's purposely trying to screw you over because in a sense it's screwing his entire company over. He has less time than those of you who can post UBB slander in 3 different forums.

Welp I'm done go ahead flame me, ban me, I don't care. I'm just saying that for a human ted's been treated like crap and it's too bad people can't foresee something GOOD out of a company who's produced so many amazing products.

[Edited by SonnetCelestial on 05-16-2000 at 06:54 PM]

[werehere]

You are making this into a drama, not us!

It was actually me (and others) that supported UBB every time. I always recommended and stood up for them, but you also have to understand that their product is not what I would call good! It is a scripting nightmare and that is the reason it is a poor, resource intensive script. They could have made this better, but did they? Have they yet? NO!

I pay $250 a month for a dedicated p3 600 server, and I serve up around 40-50 thousand impressions a day, now what would that cost me with OT? The answer is a LOT of money! You can yell all you want about how people should stick up for Infopop, but the *smart* thing to do is to move on to another product that actually serves my needs, which I did. Maybe you will too when their product, that you bought, is bringing your whole site down to the ground, and your thriving, good money making site is not making it anymore because of their poorly coded product!

Have you actually seen the coding in the UBB, or are you blind, or maybe cannot read the code? Let me tell you first hand that is not a well written commercial script, in fact it is the poorest script that I have ever seen, and this is in fact the reason that so many people are having problems with it.


It is also not at all secure, and so many other things that I wont even go into right now because I do not have the time!

[JimF]

I think that as CUSTOMERS, TED has treated US like CRAP.

The great thing about all of this is that we all have choices when it comes to what software we purchase. We decide not to go with InfoPoops product, and find one that we DO like. We discuss how Ted and InfoPoop treated their customers, and you try to make US seem like the bad ones... Screw you budd.

We've got kick-ass software, and money left over. I think we are all extremely HAPPY with this software.

What do you have besides an obvious infatuation for a company that doesn't give a isht about you...

[Martin]

Sonnet, no one else wil, so I'm gonna teel you straight up.

You were over her a few weeks ago whining and crying about how UBB wouldn't work on your site and how you kept getting shut down and now you're over here telling us wer need to lay off infopop because they gave us a good product, bla blah blah.

You need to decide which side of the fence you are on, dear. It seems to me you can't make up your $*&#ing mind.

Lastly, if you continue to talk #$^% to us, I will copy and paste all your posts here ranting about UBB at the SK forum


I guess what I'm trying to say is, pick a side or shut the (*&^ up.

[JimF]

Damn Martin!

LOL!!

http://forums.bronx-bombers.com/images/smilies/icon8.gif

[werehere]

You dont have to pick sides for all I care, but do not expect me to like, appreciate, or respect, much less actually continuing to use Infopops product!

Like I said, I was a supporter and still am a liscense holder of their product, but I would be downgrading if I went back, so dont expect me to do that either!

[Mark Hewitt]

I have just seen Infopops new prices for the UBB, no more yearly leases then eh?

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!. vBulletin here I come!. Would be nice if they would give me an upgrade price though.

[JimF]

Keep holding your breath; you're not the only one who abandoned UBB; heck I just got my license in January. They would have to give a rebate to me, too. The fact that UBB sucks is not vBulletin's fault.

[John]

This thread is nearly descending into a flame war, so I guess the word is just chill out a bit. ;)

Just something that I picked up from SonnetCelestial's post:


So Does it make you feel good to smack down ted behind his back when he's still coding the ubb in sql for us?


I am interested where you got that idea from. :confused:

Cheers,
John

[wandrer]

I also noticed that, but with the recent 'flaming' i decided it was time for me to be quiet. But, it would be interesting to say the least...... . . . . . . .

[firewire]

There is a rumour that the upcoming UBB 6.0 (coming in summer) will be cgi on sql.

I don't believe this though. The german dependency said something about "clearing the code up" in 6.0
Doesn't sound like sql to me...

Anyway... careful with rumours.

[bigsoccer tech]

You shouldn't doubt that UBB6 will be a vB competitor. It simply makes too much sense for them, esp given the noise their customers have made.

[TotalBS]

I think the reason there is such emotion with UBB is that they seemed to ignore the users for quite some time.

To call it crap now, when we all used it in the past, isn't right. It was good at the time. Maybe a little sloppy, but it did the job well.

The sore points though seem to be that they didn't seem to put in features that many people wanted. Why were there so many hacks available? Couldn't UBB simply put the hacks into their releases? I'm sure users would have donated their hacking code. It was a nice community.

But they didn't seem to listen to what was wanted. And then they started hearing the pressure to make a SQL version. They listened (realizing that their current product couldn't handle the load), but they made a decision to offer the hosting solution. Yet, before they announced the hosting solution, they lead everyone to believe that there would be a SQL solution.

This is where vBulletin was born. Out of UBB not listening to what the users wanted.

I think we shouldn't bash UBB in as much as we should feel sorry for them. I think they seem to be making some curious business decisions that may hurt them. That pricing scheme is crazy, and from what I've seen, OT is not as good vB.

I don't think we should bash Sonnet, and I don't think it's a "take sides" matter. It's just a fact that vB is currently better than UBB now, and there are serious doubts that UBB can pull off a SQL version to compete with vB now. vB's got the head start, and there is now bad feelings toward UBB. It didn't have to be, but it is. shame.

Brian
(will be switching over once I finally get MySQL setup, if I only had the time)

[Martin]

my post was definitely worded too rudely. I was a little drunk, freshly laid and pissed off at my hosting service because they shut down my server to move it without notifying me.

I will stand behind the jist of what I said, though. I hate it when people sit on the fence and lean to one side or the other depending on which way the wind blowing and I definitely hate it when they do something as hypocritical as complaining about a company one week then chastise *me* for doing the same thing a week later.
I didn't post anything here that I haven't already posted at the UBB support board.

Sonnet, while you have my apologies for my wording, the statement's jist will not be apologize for.

[rjav8r]

vBulletin - nice job - I think you'll see all of us lowly mid size web admins coming over to you from UBB cause we were treated like crap over at Infopoop.

Please don't forget us small guys when you rise up and take the crown from UBB

[Alwaysmefirst]

Originally posted by rjav8r
vBulletin - nice job - I think you'll see all of us lowly mid size web admins coming over to you from UBB cause we were treated like crap over at Infopoop.

Please don't forget us small guys when you rise up and take the crown from UBB

Please tell us your renewal license fee will never go over $30 :) We had some bad surprises about it at UBB...

Olly

[firewire]

geez, I am detecting a lot of known nicks from the scriptkeeper.com UBB... :)

It really looks like there is a scene of mid-range webmasters on the move :)

[Leshrac]

Originally posted by SonnetCelestial
So Does it make you feel good to smack down ted behind his back when he's still coding the ubb in sql for us?

InfoPop has made it quite clear that the UBB will always remain a Perl-only program for compatibility issues. I would be very surprised if UBB v6.0 had an SQL backend as it would contradict everything they've been saying for months. If the folks at InfoPop are busy with anything, it's moving into bigger offices right now...

[Martin]

Lershac,
Why would contradiction surprize you? They led us on for months to believe that they were developing an SQL back-end we could host on our own servers and gave us ClosedTopic instead.
They said about 3 weeks ago when they raised lease prices that they weren't changing the full license prices.

[Leshrac]

True, but switching over to SQL would be a positive contradiction, wouldn't it? It seems InfoPop is only out to disappoint...

[SonnetCelestial]

Welp, I don't even want to start once more since I have a lot of work to do.

James I *do* bid you well since I am NOT a fanatic nor obsessed individual and simply a person who does not like to see hard work go down the drain. I hope you understand and that you don't see me as just a trouble maker. I wish you and your product good fortune and hope to speak with you sometime.