New style ----------

[werehere]

I am thinking of selling a style that I have made up, and wanted to know how many people may be interested in it. I was going to give this style out for free, but I have had to rethink that idea since it has taken up much more time than any other style I have created to date.

This style is along the same lines of Ultrashock, but it is 100% original code, and graphics. Nothing is identical, but it is similar in terms of color, and bevels.

So how many people would be interested in it?

This style also has very little original HTML code from the default templates, so I do have to go back in and comment everything, so others could edit it easier if they chose to.

So do you like the style? I may change the bevels and colors around a little, but this is the general idea of what it will be like I believe.

I thought it would be a good idea to give a preview now and see how much interest there is in it, which will determine how much extra time I want to spend commenting and making it easy for people to modify.

The graphics are not done, including the table header graphic, it looks ok for testing, but it is not done. Also, none of the folder graphics, etc.. Are done either, so keep that in mind when looking at this layout. :)

Here are some of the previews for the futuristic style I have created:

http://www.were-here.com/animals/future_forumhome.gif
http://www.were-here.com/animals/future_forumdisplay.gif
http://www.were-here.com/animals/future_showthread.gif
http://www.were-here.com/animals/future_newreply.gif

[filburt1]

I don't know if I'd buy it, but it's still a cool style :)

[nuno]

whoa very impressive indeed
too bad it's black :(

[Mystic Stylez]

it looks good, im sure someone would purchase it.

[werehere]

Originally posted by nuno
whoa very impressive indeed
too bad it's black :(
Yes, it is dark, but could be changed very easily. I have to say that this is one of the more complete style sets out there. The layout is complete, and quite nice.

This layout also looks perfect in IE, Netscape, and Opera on my PC. :)

[nuno]

aaron, will this set include psd's?

[werehere]

Originally posted by nuno
aaron, will this set include psd's?

PSD's, there are really no PSD's to give with it. If you mean the graphics, then yes, I could give them out with it, but I don't have any yet because the graphics are not done yet. ;)

[nuno]

what is that on table headbackground then?
if it is a gif, you should also supply psd file IMO

[werehere]

Originally posted by nuno
what is that on table headbackground then?
if it is a gif, you should also supply psd file IMO

Yes, that is what I said I would do. I was just making a joke about it because non of the graphics are completed. But yes, it would include all source pics (probably would be png format though), instructions for changing around some basic elements using my custom replacement codes, etc... :)

[nuno]

oks
$$? :D

[Nemesis77]

Too dark. A little to Much Grey but it's nice.

[cantremember]

It is very nice werehere and I am sure someone would purchase it. Looks good.

Phil

[Flack Jacket]

I'll bite......how much?

I like the grey styles

[werehere]

Originally posted by jgrillone
you ripped my site,
what nerve a senior member that ripped graphics from my site

Hey everybody go to
http://marvin.qwk.net/~cassvill/forums

to see where he got some of his graphics
:mad:

click on his futurehome.gif link to see the rip

http://www.were-here.com/animals/future_forumhome.gif

Don't accuse me of anything I have not done. This is 100% my own work. I have the original artwork for it, and while it does slightly resemble your graphic, it was created by me and is not the same. This was not even a final graphic for the layout, just a test graphic I made up quickly, but that does not change the fact that it is not your graphic to begin with. ;)

So don't go accusing me of stealing it when you can clearly see that is not the same graphic. They are not the same curves, or bevels, just resemble it. ;)

If you have a serious problem with it even after this post, then let me know, I can shoot you off the origional .png source files that will show you that I created it. ;)

[werehere]

Well the fact is that I did nothing wrong, and what you consider to be moraly wrong is different from others. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but I had to say that.

I can also see that you are offended by this, and I just wanted to let you know that I meant nothing wrong by making this graphic. It was only a test graphic I made up, so it will be different in the end, and I am sorry if I offended you by it's use, no bad feelings were meant by it. :)

[werehere]

Yes, again I am sorry if I offended you, it was not my intention. :)

Also, this style I created was origionaly going to be free, but then I put in some serious hours into making it perfect, and commenting all of the code and whatnot, and it took far longer to make than one might expect. Many styles have some hacks and minor layout changes, but this is fully hacked up. I don't want to become rich from it, only recoup some of the time I have invested.

I will keep this style's price within reason if I decide to sell it. :)

[Flack Jacket]

I am still interested in what that price will be

[werehere]

Originally posted by drives_fast
I am still interested in what that price will be

Well I am sorry, but you will have to continue to wait for a little while. I a still doing to final touches on it, and wanted to wait until I finish to announce any price (need to know the hours I have given the project before I want to give a price out).

It will be reasonably priced, around $100 USD probably, but that is only a guess at this point. :)

[Paul J]

$100?

Will you be customizing the buyers entire website too?

Or only their forums pages and the rest of the site they will be on their own?

Would kind suck to pay that much money for basically one page of a website.

[werehere]

Originally posted by qwaz
$100?

Will you be customizing the buyers entire website too?

Or only their forums pages and the rest of the site they will be on their own?

Would kind suck to pay that much money for basically one page of a website.

This is for only the forum style, nothing else! I am sorry if you think that would suck, but nothing is free, and this is a complex style design. It took every bit of a full week and a half work time to create, and is much more than one page. I have seen others on this site sell for more, and they were only partial template hacks. This is very intensive (possibly one of the most hacked template styles on the Internet) style, it is not just altered on the main forumhome, forumdisplay, and showthread pages like many style mods, this is fully hacked on all pages, and is easily worth it's money. I would be asking thousands for it if it was only going to one person, but I wanted to release it for everyone to be able to afford if they wished. ;)

[werehere]

I also wanted to add that it could be much cheaper, just depends on how many people seem interested. If 100 people plan to buy it, then yes it could be much cheaper, but if only 10 people are interested, then the price stays higher. It is all just meant to cover the costs of my time. :)

[Paul J]

Thousands?

Still, forums are only one part of a whole website.

You're touting how complex it is, someone might be really stuck in a bind trying to make the rest of their website fit it.

You're good, it's a nice style.

You should try website design.

[werehere]

Originally posted by qwaz
Thousands?

Still, forums are only one part of a whole website.

You're touting how complex it is, someone might be really stuck in a bind trying to make the rest of their website fit it.

You're good, it's a nice style.

You should try website design.

I do website design, but that has nothing to do with the release of this style. It is not meant to be the design of your website, only the design of the forum. I have seen many other styles for sale, but none of them do the design of your website, they are two different items, and therefore are seperate. :)

And yes thousands of dollars easily. Really this style is worth a pretty penny, but I did not want to ream anyone for it, just recoup the basic cost of time that was lost during it's construction. :)

[Paul J]

I wonder what someone would say to me if I told them I am only going to design one page of their site, and charge them thousands just to have that privalige.

Can you show me a site that you know is worth thousands of dollars?

I'd like to see it in comparison to your vb style.

[c-prompt]

Definitely not worth a hundred dollars...be realistic man. Im all for people getting paid for work, but be reasonable. Besides all you did was copy ultrashock and jgrill's layout. If you want something to sell good, why not at least make it original? If you are selling it to one person and one person alone I can see the cost, or even more. But to sell as an unorignial style to anyone that wants one?

[jgrillone]

thats why we chatted and everything was cleared up
thats why I also deleted all my negative posts

you're right, because it was inspiration not a rip




:D

[werehere]

Umm... I think you are confused a little bit. You see a style is built into vb, and that is all this is for, vb! So it is for a default style if that is what they wish, or for a custom style. Like me, I intend to use this on my site as an additional style, not the default, but an additional one (just like many vb forums out there do), and it will not match my site layout at all, and theirs would not either.

This has nothing to do with site design, none of the vb style creators here that hire out to do work do the site design as part of the vb style. They mostly only do VB styles in the first place, so this is no different than any other style creator here. ;) This is the standard way it is done.

And as for what sites are worth thousands of dollars, I would like you to point out to me which larger site is not worth a thousand dollars, because almost all sites are worth more than that. I have been offered hundreds of thousands of dollars for my site, so I guess that my own could qualify. ;)

You see, you are asking for something that is not feasable in many cases, and not standard, and that is why I am a little confused about your request.

If people had to pay for a site design plus this style, yes it would cost much more, but that is why it is only the site style. Also, most people will not be looking for a site redesign, but if they wish their site to look like the forum, all they need to do is ask, I would be glad to help them out as well. I can accomodate both requests yes, but the standalone VB style will by far outnumber any and all of the other requests in most situations, and that is why it is standard to offer it this way. :)

[werehere]

Originally posted by c-prompt
Definitely not worth a hundred dollars...be realistic man. Im all for people getting paid for work, but be reasonable. Besides all you did was copy ultrashock and jgrill's layout. If you want something to sell good, why not at least make it original? If you are selling it to one person and one person alone I can see the cost, or even more. But to sell as an unorignial style to anyone that wants one?

Well that is your opinion, and that is fine. I have never seen a forum style this complex ever for sale here, so the cost is unprecidented to date. This did take a long time to create, and less than $100 dollars if a couple of people bought it would not make it worth my time to sell at all, that is the reason for this inquiry, to see how many people were interested. Going on the same idea, if 100 people were interested, it could be far less (maybe $10), but that also is what this inquiry was about, to find out the answers.

You see, you are bashing me for a cost that I have stated several times already is just being thought about. There are no prices set in stone, so give your opinion, but do not bash me for a price that has not been set yet, because then you are just basing your assumption off of fiction, not fact.

And as far as copying someones layout, I think you will find that I copied no layout aspects from Jgrille at all (like he stated), and only copied basic design elements from Ultrashock (elements that are not owned by them either). I could change this one hair to make it look completely different from Ultrashock, but I tried to create it to look similar to Ultrashock (nothing is exactely the same though, nothing!), so it would defeat the purpose to change it. ;) The basic bevels and colors are the only reason it looks even somewhat similar, and they could be changed easily by me, or even by any buyer of the style. The CSS for it all is in one location, and can be changed very easily. So if the buyer feels it looks to close to Ultrashock, then they are free to change it however they wish, and it is quite easy.

I also want to state to you again that I was planning on giving it away for free when I started, but then I realized that people would have a hard time changing any element (and I had only changed the elements at that time that I use on my site, so it would not work perfectly for others), so I spent many hours and tediously went over it all and made very good comments and whatnot, so people could change it around. Now all of those extra hours to just make this style available for everyone is all I am trying to cover, so don't tell me what it is worth and what it is not, you have never even seen a style so customized I would venture, and I say that because I am an avid forum user, been around for a long time, and *I* have never seen one like this for release yet!

I would also venture that many people here that are not quite as knowledgable will love to see the inner workings of my style. It will allow them to learn what goes where much easier than what they have seen from basic styles to date. The whole table structure has been re-worked, and it works better in IE, Netscape, and Opera than the default styles released with VB! So I was only trying to help people out here that may want to have a more hacked style, and was only trying to figure out a price that would cover my time, nothing more. ;)

So calm down, I am not trying to ream anyone here, and will decide on a price that I feel may cover my time (because again, no price has been set. ;)

[Paul J]

You are far too much. lol

[c-prompt]

My post was not a bash, and was my opinion.

[c-prompt]

Originally posted by werehere

I have never seen a forum style this complex ever for sale here, so the cost is unprecidented to date.

Then you didnt see the xbox one Sinecure sold, and the few I sold. But unlike you, we sold it to one person. We realize someone spending over 100 bucks would want something original to them and their site. Otherwise they would just use a free style like everyone else.

[jgrillone]

bump

[Wayne Luke]

He can set the price of the style at whatever he feels is justified. However the law of supply and demand will kick in. If there isn't demand then he will have to either lower the price or abandon the sell. If the price is too high, then you can find a cheaper style or simply create your own and not purchase this one.

[werehere]

This style was always meant to be released for free, so people could play around with it, and that is what I am going to do. I was thinking of charging based on extra time I spent trying to make it pretty for everyone (to recoup the lost time only), but that is no longer going to happen. :)

I have a couple of items still left to do, and will possibly be changing the layout some (to take away the Ultrashock look), but after it is how I want it to be, it will be free! ;)

[squall14716]

*BUMP*

[Floris]

Originally posted by squall14716
*BUMP* Why would you bump this thread, if you haven't even posted in it?

[squall14716]

Originally posted by xiphoid
Why would you bump this thread, if you haven't even posted in it?

Because of this:


I have a couple of items still left to do, and will possibly be changing the layout some (to take away the Ultrashock look), but after it is how I want it to be, it will be free!

[Paul J]

Good idea.

Still waiting for this free style to be released.

[Michael2]

Personally I think this style is much better than the one you're currently using, I'm not sure why you are not using this on your site. :confused:

[Paul J]

Who are you talking to?

[N9ne]

I'd only buy *any*style set if it was less than $20, otherwise IMO it's not worth it.

[DirectPixel]

Originally posted by N9ne
I'd only buy *any*style set if it was less than $20, otherwise IMO it's not worth it. For a pre-fab style, I would go for anything $50 and under.

For a custom-made style, I would say anywhere from $500 and up.

Anyways, although this is a good style, the $100 price for it is too high because of these main reasons...

1. It's not all that original...
2. It's black with lots of bevels. Not every site can use this design.
3. It's a pre-fab style. No one forum will have this as a unique style.
4. Because this isn't a style unique to one board, there's not as much potential for branding when compared to a unique, custom-made, high-quality design.
5. You're taking away from my market share!;):p:D (j/k)

[she-rape]

Originally posted by werehere
Well that is your opinion, and that is fine. I have never seen a forum style this complex ever for sale here, so the cost is unprecidented to date. This did take a long time to create, and less than $100 dollars if a couple of people bought it would not make it worth my time to sell at all, that is the reason for this inquiry, to see how many people were interested. Going on the same idea, if 100 people were interested, it could be far less (maybe $10), but that also is what this inquiry was about, to find out the answers.

Well I believe that C-Prompt is a little more experienced then you in designing styles. Like he said, your style isn't original. The color scheme is overused, and it doesn't look like you did much besides adding a graphic to the category background and adding in some tables with images in between forums. Besides that, the only difference between your vbulletin style and the default style is the colors. :rolleyes:

[Steve Machol]

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[Paul J]

Looks like were-here was full of bologna. http://www.racing-forums.com/bbs/images/icons/icon13.gif

[werehere]

Originally posted by she-rape


Well I believe that C-Prompt is a little more experienced then you in designing styles. Like he said, your style isn't original. The color scheme is overused, and it doesn't look like you did much besides adding a graphic to the category background and adding in some tables with images in between forums. Besides that, the only difference between your vbulletin style and the default style is the colors. :rolleyes:

Actualy your wrong! I am not saying that C-Prompt is not a good style creator, I was just saying that I have never seen one that he has released that is as modified. I know he said there was one, but I have yet to see it. I like his style's, and appreciate his work, so don't get all personal about it. I also have been modifying vbulletin styles as long as anyone here, so don't think I am not good at it, or that I do not know how.

As for it being only color changes... you must be kidding me! I have completly re-done the structure of the default styleset, and it does not have much of the origional HTML code left! So I don't know what your talking about, other than your showing that you may not know that much about modifying style's yourself. Take a look at them again, there is almost nothing origional at all, not just colors my friend. ;)

I had completely forgot about this thread, and figured it would not be going any longer due to the graphics missing. I also took some crap over this style, so that is why I had lost interest in releasing it.