vBulletin Release Schedule - Discuss

[Craig Antill]

Woohoo! We're back on track... :)

Keep up the hard work fellas!

[John Harrison]

Puts me back on track for my big revamp. :)

nice one guys. :)

[KeithMcL]

I haven't yet purchased vBulletin (but definately plan on doing so).

Think i'll wait until the release of v2. Should be just in time for the release of my new site http://www.webdevsites.com

Looking forward to that :D

[wajones]

James comes thru.... Great announcement, exactly what we wanted to hear!!!

[John Harrison]

look at the another one as well. :D

This has to be a dream. :)

[jeb]

hi James,

this is definitely what we webmasters need : dates dates dates :)

if you guys at vB manage to respect the dates (12+7=19 days for the 2.0.0 beta), this is the sign of professionalism and respect of us clients.

on the other hand, if you can't be in time AND don't tell us about delays soon enough, then you would spoil my update plans and I will have to move on with another board and another support team that "do whay they say and say what they do".

i consider the scripts to be "only" HALF the work : SUPPORT ON TIME (i.e bug corrections) is the other half !

for now, thanks again for your update, I am looking forward for 1.1.4 STABLE :)

[Me2Be]

Originally posted by jeb
on the other hand, if you can't be in time AND don't tell us about delays soon enough, then you would spoil my update plans and I will have to move on with another board and another support team that "do whay they say and say what they do".


Is your glass always half-empty? just curious...

[Chris Schreiber]

Originally posted by Me2Be
Is your glass always half-empty? just curious...

It seems like some people are always a little bit skeptical.... but I am looking at these annoucements are being very positive news and am excited about the releases and new features.

-Chris

[John Harrison]

Originally posted by Chris Schreiber
Originally posted by Me2Be
Is your glass always half-empty? just curious...

It seems like some people are always a little bit skeptical.... but I am looking at these annoucements are being very positive news and am excited about the releases and new features.

-Chris

me too and thats all I am here for really. :)

[Me2Be]

Originally posted by Chris Schreiber
It seems like some people are always a little bit skeptical.... but I am looking at these annoucements are being very positive news and am excited about the releases and new features.
-Chris [/B]

Me too. I'm more of an "innocent until proven guilty" type person. So I think everyone should be optomistic that this is going to follow the schedule James has posted (plus or minus a week or so or if they post that there is a delay and why). Until they prove that they do not follow their own schedule, then let the skepticism begin! :D

[Edited by Me2Be on 10-27-2000 at 12:14 PM]

[wajones]

Unfortunately "schedules are made to be broken" I don't know what wise old "person" said that but it's true, we sometimes can't avoid it no matter how hard we try, who hasn't had to break a appointment or make a schedule change I think the key to avoiding most of the skepticism is to announce any changes to the schedule and all will be well with the majority except of course those that seem to thrive on skepticism.

[eva2000]

cool... :D

[mferrell]

This is awesome. I don't understand Jeb's skepticism. As long as they are keeping us posted on the progress, that's good enough for me.

[chrispadfield]

the skeptisism is caused by the suggestion of the release in the summer....

but i doubt they planned to have all the amazing features they have install for us when they said that so i forgive them anyway ! :)

Looking really good James, thanks for both of the updates. Really looking forward to next version and the huge increase in vbulletin sales i expect you will get!

[Wayne Luke]

I am skeptical as well but I don't let it get to me...

If the release isn't out next week then I will continue to on my own development schedule to get things finished. I will also install the hacks available to give the forums better performance.

Other staff at SitePoint are already commenting how, if I keep things up we'll never be able to upgrade eventually.

I look forward to the new update even so, because it makes my job easier and now that I know there is going to be a control panel for user's, I won't have to program it at the end of next month myself. :)

[Mike Sullivan]

RE: v1.1.4
It will be out next week. It adds about 1.5 features to moderator.php, but not much :) Every bug that was reproduceable was fixed, MANY optimizations added, and the CP is looking a little nicer.

[Freddie Bingham]

What exactly is 1.5 features? 1 feature that works + 1 that halfway works? :)

[Mike Sullivan]

1 new feature
1 implementation change so the feature works :)

[Skeptical]

Why are you guys bad-mouthing my screen name?

[John Harrison]

Originally posted by Skeptical
Why are you guys bad-mouthing my screen name?


I am sure they didn't mean to. :)

[GMTalk]

All I can say is this is great for me. Perfect timing for my server upgrades as well. Anxiously awaiting!!!!!

[SonnetCelestial]

Wow...see a lot of skeptics here but this is a lot better than no news! We appreciate the update james and you vb developers keep up the great work! ;)

[eva2000]

Originally posted by rangersfan
What exactly is 1.5 features? 1 feature that works + 1 that halfway works? :) LOL ...

btw, does 1.1.4 and/or 2.0 have a function for confirming a template deletion ?

[Menno]

that shoulnd't be to hard.
If you nag about it enough John will probably put it in the new version ;)

[The_Sisko]

Download 1.1.4 nad tested it on my Server. Work fine, nice vBulletin 1.1.4 Control Panel (Version 1.1.4 RELEASE 1) Layout! :D

Can't wait to see version 2.0....

[foens]

also look forward to ver 2.0 - when is it expectet to come??

[Chris Schreiber]

Originally posted by foens
ver 2.0 - when is it expectet to come??

James said they would start internal testing in about 7-12 days, then maybe a week or so of testing before it's available as a beta version.

-Chris

[SonnetCelestial]

GREAT it's released! Something to look forward to when I go home! :) And usually right after a release you shouldn't anticipate the next release to be coming in the next week or so although that is suprisingly the case. I don't mind though. :) The more releases the merrier

[kontrabass]

Wohooooo! I spent hours hacking 1.1.3 with my added profile fields, so I don't want to upgrade to 1.1.4 and have to do it all over again - but 2.0 with cust. profile fields! Now that's music to my ears...

Paul

[David E]

I just wanted to give y'all some feedback on what I think is a definitely "best-in-its-class" type product. The amount of support that goes into making this product even better makes me feel like that you are listening to the users, and responding to what they need.

I originally used the UBB in the first incarnation of my website, but found that Perl sucks ... it is too slow and complicated to work on (at least for me, I am a designer). I have learned enough PHP to be dangerous and find that your product works quite well with the NUKE system I am in the process of integrating.

I am in the process of redesigning my site and moving it on another server so your timing could not have been any better.

Once again thank you for a first class product with excellent support. As a fellow designer/developer I understand that all too often the negative comments often outweigh the positive, and I wanted to let y'all know that I am very pleased with your product and feel confident in staying with it for the lifetime of my website.

Thank you.

David E.
webmeister - http://whodatzone.com (old site, check back in a couple of weeks for, conincidentally, version 2.0 :) )

[rsg]

i noticed that it's going to be implimenting sessions, will this require php4?

[islandman]

James,

Quick question. Is there an upgrade utility? How will this affect installed hacks like PM and Poll?

Thanks,

Gerry

[doron]

php4: I hope not, or at least, you can turn this on/off.

Originally posted by islandman
James,

Quick question. Is there an upgrade utility? How will this affect installed hacks like PM and Poll?

Thanks,

Gerry

2.0 will have PM and the Poll hacks, so that should be no problem.

[chrispadfield]

but are PM and Polls exactly the same as the hacks avaliable from the forums?

[Menno]

I doubt they'll be exactly the same, but not much different either.

[chrispadfield]

Well it is 10.00 pm here. By the time James reads this it will be the end of the 12 days from the 7-12 days period. So, is it finished? are you now in bug quashing phase and are we still on for release by this time next week.. i sure hope so :)

(edit, i spelt phase, fase - to bad to leave!)

[eva2000]

Originally posted by chrispadfield
Well it is 10.00 pm here. By the time James reads this it will be the end of the 12 days from the 7-12 days period. So, is it finished? are you now in bug quashing phase and are we still on for release by this time next week.. i sure hope so :)

(edit, i spelt phase, fase - to bad to leave!) sheesh, chris you're in a hurry :) has it been 7 - 12 days already ? time flies ..

[Mike Sullivan]

He said 7 to 12 days before it goes into internal testing :)

[Chris Schreiber]

Boy people are certainly eager to get their hands on this release :)

[chrispadfield]

which is why i asked is it going into testing stage :)

just want to know if it is still on track :)

oh and yes, i am keen - really want the upgrade a lot !!!

[TotalBS]

I feel a little let down with this. I'm anxious for the upgrade, but am a bit upset over the slow roll out.

I've been waiting since the summer for this, and now we are near the end of the year.

Yes, I could've put in all the hacks, but there was hope that there was no need for many of the hacks, so I delayed. and delayed... and delayed.


And not even an incremental upgrade, oh except for the one a week ago, which was basically a bug fix.

So, I'm a bit disappointed with the whole thing. I've even stopped coming to this board often since my excitement is gone.

I still appreciate how good the software is, and how far it's come in a short year. But the empty promises hurt after awhile.

....just venting... and waiting... :(

[Skorpion]

I know I have only posted here maybe once, a few months ago. So you may or may not count my opinion as valid. At any rate, I also am waiting for the new release (I've just been very less vocal here than many of you), because I would really like to switch from UBB to this product at some point. But I noticed that some of you are blaming Jelsoft for not releasing it's software at the projected time.

Anyway, my point is, have any of you heard of the game Diablo II? This game had an initial release date of "Summer/Fall 1999". Then it was Winter 1999. Then it was December 24, 1999. Then sometime in February 2000. Then March. At long last for fans like me, the game shipped on June 28, and arrived in stores on June 30, 2000; nearly a full year after the initial projected release date. What does this mean? Release dates are estimates. Unless Jelsoft happens to be employing very precise psychics, or if they are VERY good at estimating, they are only human! There is almost no way they can accurately guess what path the development process will go.

In the case of Diablo II, all of us die-hard fans sacrificed a Diablolicious X-mas present, because we knew that if we waited, we'd get a much better quality product. I don't know if any of you noticed, but Diablo II sold nearly 700,000 copies in about ten hours on the first day. Many games do not sell more than 500,000 copies in their entire shelf life cycle. It shattered every game sales record known to the planet, and was by far the best selling game of all time at the end of the first month. So obviously a lot of people understood Blizzard's decision to push the date back in favor of a better product.

Maybe you all should consider the fact that, by waiting a little bit, you'll surely get a product of a much higher caliber. Would you really want Jelsoft to give you a vBulletin right now, that doesn't work at all 50% of the time, never works exactly the way you wanted it to, and is exponentially slower than (*gasp*) UBB? I know that is a very severe evaluation of the situation, but how do you know that's not the way it is now? Wouldn't you much rather sacrifice your craving for immediate gratification, by knowing that the steak will taste so much better when you finally do get it?

Jelsoft, I do not currently own a vBulletin board, but I completely plan on purchasing one at some point, when I begin work on my next site. I hope 2.0 is out by then, but know that I, for one, completely stand behind your decision to push back the date (for whatever my opinion is worth).

(*Puts on a fireproof suit...*) Let the flaming begin.

---Skorpion

[chrispadfield]

hehe no flaming going to happen!

When they say they will release it in 3 weeks i expect them to do so. That sort of timetable is close enough that they should expect to have it ready by then, and i have some faith that they will do so.

There is also a difference between a computer game and this software. Yes we all probably like playing the odd computer games but this software is for some people (including me) there webiste. Some of us are spending hundreds of dollars on webhosting that is paid for by the revenue generated by the software and thus we need it. It is not like a game that if it takes a few months to get here then it dosen't really matter, this is a business decision and one that is costing people money. I have been talking to people about co-branding since we were told it was going to be in and that is why i bought the software. That was over two months ago when we were headed for a summer release. When you pay for something under the promise that the upgrades will be avaliable after a set date you expect them to be.

I still have faith in jelsoft and hope that they will deliver. I am sure they have learnt over the last few months the importance of keeping their loyal supporters happy and will release the software when they say they willl.

[Mike Sullivan]

Sorry, it's another game comparison, but...

...and with Blizzard again. :)

Remember Warcraft II? It came out way back in 1995. Starcraft was originally slated to come out in '96 or '97 - I forget which. Why was it delayed?

Not bug fixes, they decided to redo the whole thing. It was originally just going to be a literal reskinning of Warcraft - two identical races, set in space. But they redesigned it - three unique races, engine enhancements, etc...

That's basically what's happened to vBulletin. What was originally slated as 1.2.0 has been changed to 2.0 because of its endless revisions and enhancements.

And please at least consider Jelsoft's side - vB has blown up a hell of a lot more quickly than expected. They're growing through growing pains. Personally, I believe they need a little slack with this new release - you have a new version that fixes most bugs and gives some serious speed increases, not to mention addresses some serious security exploits before some unscrupulous cracker found them. But then again, I don't run my board from a business setting.

[David E]

As a fellow designer/developer, I know what it is like developing a web app. I appreciate all of the work that is going into vBulletin and would much rather wait for a quality product than to have something "rushed out the door."

When will it be released? When it's finished. :D

Looking forward to installing on my sports site. Once again great work.

[Skorpion]

chrispadfield, I can understand where you're coming from now. And I can totally agree that if you need to make business decisions based on these dates, I can see why you would really like the company to stick to them. And in that light, you're very correct that a game is a bad comparison.

I am just one of the people that doesn't have to base the success of a business on when a program comes out. The site I'm going to be using it for is merely a fansite for Blizzard games, so it's not the end of the world if I don't get vBulletin 2.0 in seventeen minutes or less (or your next order's free...). And that site is only in the very early planning stages, it won't be out for another couple months at least. I'm glad that a few people kinda took the same stance I was taking, though; makes me feel like less of an outsider. :)

Peace, people.

---Skorpion

[Craig Antill]

As has been said before, we would not mind the delays if we were regularly briefed on the situation. Maybe James or John should look to take an active role on these boards.

[Menno]

If they were to take up an more active role, then development on 2.0 would only go slower. Not to mention the incredible time James is already putting into the support.

[Susan]

Well, then perhaps now would be the time to hire a third person to take an active roll here. But seriously, you can't think that taking 5 minutes to come into this forum and say "Hey, we're off schedule by about 4 days" or "we're continuing at the aformentioned schedule" would slow down the development of 2.0. You notice that the folks here only get restless when either there hasn't been ANY word for weeks or a date has come and gone with no word? It's not a coincidence. Maybe some people DO want someone in close contact with the developer or the developer himself to hold their hand, but I have a feeling that the vast majority of us would be quite happy with a 5 minute weekly update. The members here are only asking for better communication and personally, I don't think that's a bad thing.

[chrispadfield]

Originally posted by Craig Antill
As has been said before, we would not mind the delays if we were regularly briefed on the situation. Maybe James or John should look to take an active role on these boards.

and


Well, then perhaps now would be the time to hire a third person to take an active roll here.


Exactly!

And how much time would it take James? It wouldn't slow up the development of the board as my indication is that he is not actually coding for it anyway. I am afraid to say the lack of communication must be down to now wanting to admit another slip each week.

And of course I also want a quality product and not released until finished, but when you announce something is going to be released in 3 weeks time (gave actual numbers of expect days) then you would think they must have a good idea of how long it is going to take. I don't think Blizzard even annouced "oh it is ready in 9-12 days with a weeks testing" and then when that days comes up you get no word from them.

[chrispadfield]

i just see the irony that this company is making a piece of software to increase communication (ie companies use it to keep in contact with their clients) but end up being the ones with a pretty bad communication record.

[James]

Hi everyone,

Thanks for all the comments. In terms of release date, I believe that the development of the user control panel section (templates and code) and the new "secret" features are taking a little longer than expected... I'll liase with John and see if we can get an updated release schedule today.

As an aside, here are a few more features that are now going to be included as standard in 2.0:

Attachments
Buddy List / PM ignore list (part of the user control panel)
Choice of 8-10 template styles (for new installations)
Order topic lists by thread title, last post time, #replies, #views, thread starter
Optional Spell Checker
User profile time offset drop down list

I hope everyone agrees that this release will be worth waiting a little longer for :)

All the best,

James

[jeb]

James,

it is ok if you have a one-week delay between your first announcement and the final real release.

but one week is a __maximum__ for me : I would take it as a deceipt to read that the delays have doubled !!! (like 2 or 3 more weeks to wait !)

more updated schedule doesn't mean more delays :)

all the best, jeb

ps : typically, Nov, 30th is a deadline for my updates plan...

[chrispadfield]

thanks James for posting.

New features are great and i know attachments are going to be popular and the styles templates thing certainly sounds interesting.. but.. i just hope it is not much longer, new features could always be added afterwards to make v 2.5 !

Thanks, please keep un informed about dates especially as the ones we have been given (which sounds quite accurate.. ie well planned out) have been blown out the water.

[Freddie Bingham]

Just plan on it being January...

[chrispadfield]

which one? (j/k)!

[mferrell]

Thanks for the update, James.

People's posts in this thread have been said a hundred times elsewhere. Nothing new is being said. I understand that some people need to know if this product is going to be out on schedule because they have their own business schedule to stick to. It seems like the Jelsoft team is doing their best to keep on schedule.

However, I don't think it's too tough for someone at Jelsoft to make a posting at least once a week to keep us updated.

[Sharg]

Just plan on it being January...

? You think version 2.0 will be ready in January ?

Benj

[Brian]

Please set up file size quota's in cp for us to select to limit items to etc.

-Brian

[Craig Antill]

This delay is regretable - especially as we had got our hopes up at an imminant release. If you were falling behind you really should have let us know :(

Anyway... if you do consider hiring an additional bod, i'm local, and i'm actively seeking new employment... :D

[Mas*Mind]

Delays can happen, but it's the lack of information that's bothering me...It seems that JellSoft only provides us information if we're asking for it...

[Sharg]

Do Jesoft has a deal with infopop not to release 2.0 before they release ubb 6.0 ? heh ?

<j/k>

Benj

[TechTalk]

Originally posted by James

I hope everyone agrees that this release will be worth waiting a little longer for
[/B]

Im with everyone else here...is this going to be infopops idea of "a little longer" or are you guys serious? The main reason I left ubb behind was because I was tired of being spoonfed BS. If its going to be another week, month, or even year before the next release date, just say that. All anyone wants to hear is the truth. I can wait, but I can't stand being led on.

</vent>

[werehere]

I personaly don't think this has anything to do with Infopop, nor should it.

The fact is that major releases could EASILY fall behind schedule. Now it sounds to me like James gave you all the information that he could! What more can you ask for? It is only an estimate, and that is all you should consider it to be. That is what everybody wanted in the first place, and that is what you have been given.

Now I understand that people have decisions to make and whatnot, but it still does not change the fact that it impossible to give exact dates on things that may take longer than presumed. I beleive that they had given the best estimate that they could at the time, so I guess you all will have to take it, or leave it for now, because that is just how it is. :)

I also think that this post should be closed, and have another reopened when another announcement is needed.

(this is all just my opinion of course)

[Mas*Mind]

Now it sounds to me like James gave you all the information that he could

He did indeed, but only when we demanded it...

You can't tell me that JellSoft didn't know of the delay since today....

[chrispadfield]

The development of version 2.0 is coming to a close, and we're planning to begin internal testing in 7-12 days. This testing phase will allow us to bug fix the release, as well as organise templates and make cosmetic changes to the control panel. If all goes to plan, this testing phase should last one week.


This really does not look like an estimate, but quite an accurate prediction of the schedule they have. 7-12 days is really quite an accurate prediction and i hope it is only a day or two set back, a fortnight for instance would be double the estimate.. strange.

Were here, i do understand what you are saying but what is the point of contunal estimates if they are just set back the whole time? I does bring back the question of are they trying to do too much all in one go i wonder? I just hope it is soon.

[eva2000]

Originally posted by James
Hi everyone,

Thanks for all the comments. In terms of release date, I believe that the development of the user control panel section (templates and code) and the new "secret" features are taking a little longer than expected... I'll liase with John and see if we can get an updated release schedule today.

As an aside, here are a few more features that are now going to be included as standard in 2.0:

Attachments
Buddy List / PM ignore list (part of the user control panel)
Choice of 8-10 template styles (for new installations)
Order topic lists by thread title, last post time, #replies, #views, thread starter
Optional Spell Checker
User profile time offset drop down list

I hope everyone agrees that this release will be worth waiting a little longer for :)

All the best,

James cool, will the attachments feature be optional / on/off options ? and will it be able to limit the size and type of attachment ?

[Shoe]

Take your time. If these features work--my choice in buying vb over other boards was absolutely right!

[Skeptical]

Everyone, let's not get too crazy over this issue. I, personally, after seeing this, would be afraid to give out expected dates of release if I were making software. I mean, it's nearly impossible to predict software. There are times when things just don't work and complete rewrites are needed. That's just the way things go.

Having said that, it would be irresponsible for a developer to say something, but mean something else. It would be irresponsible for a developer to keep rolling out new products while ignoring current products.

Over at another site, the cgi owner doesn't pay attention to his own forum, doesn't care to respond to bugs, support tickets, and emails. Now THAT'S lame. I should've bought gossamer-threads' web mail system instead. Gossamer-threads' people are so responsive and give out progress reports all the time.

[Menno]

Originally posted by chrispadfield
the styles templates thing certainly sounds interesting..

You better believe it ;)

[SonnetCelestial]

I agree with skeptical and werehere. Jelsoft does have a commitment to it's customers but I feel that veritably hanging onto every word and announcement they will make won't make a better company or saner mindset.

I think an estimate already tells you that they cannot verify when the date is to be told. And to also say that 7-12 days is quite a lengthy amount of time, with all due respect...it isn't. VB is larger and getting larger still. They kept their deadline for 1.1.4 and to me that's very good. Code optimization and security fixes shouldn't be laughed at. It's very important and demands just as much attention if not more as all the new features we are to expect in 2.0.

[mferrell]

Amen.

[chrispadfield]

1.4 was nice but really should have been here 2 months ago, and is really quite pointless if they were to release 2.0 a forgnight later (like they said), i am guessing the reason for it was they new that v 2.0 was going to be pushed back even longer.

[James]

Hello,

Firstly (for the record), we're not trying to "lead anyone on" or be dishonest about the delay to this release. In addition, 1.1.4 was not released a couple of weeks ago to mask the fact that 2.0 would be a little later than predicted (at that time we were commited to the 19 day release schedule). It's only in the last couple of days that it has become apparent that the previous schedule was a little optimistic.

It is currently taking longer than expected to create the "user control panel" - mainly because of the new template integration. So, here is our new schedule:

We hope to complete the main beta code and templates by the end of next week. We'll then test the code internally over the weekend, and install the new version in a public directory for further testing and feedback for a few days at the start of the next week. At the end of this period, we'll release the code into the members area as beta.

In short - the development has slipped about a week.

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank everyone for their continued patience... software development work of this nature is prone to delays, but we will always do our best to keep everyone informed of our progress.

All the best,

James

[Sharg]

Nice update. We can wait a week more :)
Thanks James.

[TechTalk]

Definantly a good update ;)

Thanks

[chrispadfield]

thanks James, i didn't want to come across as suggesting you were purposly misleading us - i know you are all trying to make us the best product you can it is just it looks so good i/we are getting impatient for it :)

thanks for the update - looking good.

[Zecherieh]

All I can say is that everthing listed sounds awesome. I and my users (all three of them) can wait a little longer and be completely happy. Heck we just bought it five weeks ago so it is still a new product to us either way.

[Troy Roberts]

Now that's one great release!! You guys are stretching out the lead you have over any other board. Thanks.

My 2 cents on the release date - before anyone suggests two releases for the same set of features, make sure you realize that it implies two testing cycles, two beta cycles, etc... It increases the overall time to market for that same set of features.

This may be some peoples preference still. I'd prefer to wait an extra month or two if I had to for the feature set listed.

btw... I want to put in my request for a file size limiter or resizer (for photos) for the file attatchment feature. It should have pixel, size, and type. Otherwise it won't really be an option that I can use.

[TechTalk]

Quick Suggestion to John and James:
Dont use the spellchecker.net module for spellchecking! Design your own. Noone wants to have to pay for a spell checker, and if you dont pay you have to deal with ads. It would be so much easier to design your own and have a "dictionary" of words. That way we can have bi-lingual support as well ;)

Just my $0.02

[chrispadfield]

and i hear of lots of problems of spellchecker.net with other forums who have often had to go and remove it.

[Mike Sullivan]

TechTalk-
Unless everyone has one of the several PHP spellchecking modules, such as Aspell, I don't think that's really possible.

[shri]

Hi James,

It is a bit tedious to scroll through 6 pages to find your updates. Could you please post each update as a new topic?

Finally, I understand that dates are at best a guestimate, but could you provide dates? "One week from now" gets very confusing as one has to then lookup the date of your post and get a mental calculator out.

Cheers,
Shri

[John Harrison]

Delayed by one week? ok thats fair. :)

[conan]

Anyone got an actual estimate date yet?
When is one week from the current schedule?

[chrispadfield]

my understanding is we get to see an on site beta at after the end of this weekend and then after a couple of days we get to download a beta, thus middle to end of next week is my best guess.

[Craig Antill]

Are we still on track for an on-line demo at the start of next week ? I'm anxious to have a play around and start planning how i'm going to implement the changes on my site.

[TechTalk]

Originally posted by Craig Antill
Are we still on track for an on-line demo at the start of next week ? I'm anxious to have a play around and start planning how i'm going to implement the changes on my site.

Yea same here ;)

~Chris

[chrispadfield]

yup.. a warning now if it has slipped would be better than being told on wedesday :)

i am hoping it will be ready, pretty excited and want to know what those killer features are :)

[James]

Hello,

Provided we don't have any coding disasters, we are still on track to have an online demo of 2.0 online by the start of next week.

All the best,

James

[Sharg]

Woooohooo !

Benj

[chrispadfield]

cool, really can't wait :)

[mferrell]

I can't wait!

[Skeptical]

Uh... yeah... uh... me too.... uh.... uh....

so how many people's time have I wasted with this one?

[SonnetCelestial]

*eyes go big*

okay! there goes MY plans of concrete *business* for the next week! *throws work and papers into the air*
:D Joyous me! toying with vb all day and night long! WOOOOHOO!!!

(can you tell I'm an addict? naaah!)

[Menno]

yeah, finally :)
And just in time too.

[John Harrison]

Nice One! :)
This goes well with my merges.

[TechTalk]

I agree.....if this comes out on time, this will be perfect timing....I may just have to buy another license for my other site if it looks as good as it sounds :D

~Chris
http://www.iguanaland.com
http://www.glidetech.com

[JohnM]

Hooray :D

[shashi]

so any idea when we are going to see a downloadable 2.0 ? :)

[JimF]

Originally posted by shashi
so any idea when we are going to see a downloadable 2.0 ? :)

Take a look at the online demo. That should give you a pretty good idea about when we'll see it...

-jim

[brookelyn]

Originally posted by JimF
Originally posted by shashi
so any idea when we are going to see a downloadable 2.0 ? :)

Take a look at the online demo. That should give you a pretty good idea about when we'll see it...

-jim

Maybe for you, but not for me... I have no clue what they have left to do with it...

I keep hearing before christmas and i hope that is correct

[conan]

Any idea on the final release? Cause if the beta release will take as long as the alpha I don't see the final release coming before next year!

[Vigile]

Does anyone know when we will see a final or beta release of v2.0? Sorry if I am overlooking it...

I'd like to switch from UBB to vB, but my forum needs the extra features of vB2.

[Menno]

unfortunatly there is no solid date as of yet

[GMTalk]

I only hope that it is soon. I have done a complete revamp of my site and want to impliment the new changes that have been discussed here.

Are we looking at before the New Year?

Just curious

[John Harrison]

I couldn't wait any longer so I installed 5 hacks on my current board 1.1.4

You would think by now 50 bugs have been sloved by the genuis thanks to all the loyal members of this board.

I say good work to all who have been sloving the bugs and I hope the last ones are found before the year is over.

I like to have v2.0 now but the bugs are the hold up and I see John is working every day to fix this so I am proud he is working on it.

Also he is now being more interactive then ever with us so we may see this new version at the end of this month. (I am hoping)

I think we now know what the killer features are now so we are happy that the features we have requested are in this new version.

All I can say is Good Work to all who have found the bugs and to John's brillant performent on these forums with the v2.0 bug forum.

I like to see a bug free version and if it doesn't launch this year then so be it. :)

Or I want is a bug free product!

[Sharg]

Personnaly, I give 2.0 until the end of the month.
If its not ready, I'll start working on 1.4 which I really want to avoid....

Benj

[GMTalk]

Dont get me wrong I am not complaining about the release of 2.0 I just want all these wonderful new features on my board. I know I can do this through the hacks and all. The concern I have is that after all these changes I make to 114 what will be involved in the upgrade. I dont want to make more work for myself.

That is all. I am anxiously awaiting 2.0

[Sharg]

Exactly the same for me GM: I want to do all the work once for all, then focus on something else without having to go back in VB code to translate, design....

Benj

[GMTalk]

Yes. I am in the middle of a redesign of my site and I am ready to launch. But alas I am waiting for the 2.0 release.

Does anyone know what is going to be involved with the upgrade if you have Poll, avatar, Go, PM hacks? I dont want to have to start from scratch once again. Grant you I have looked at the test site and I love the addons. I cant wait.


Just need to know actually not need to but want to know.

[John Harrison]

I think I may delete all my templates and PHP Scripts to make sure the hacks dont hurt anything.

Then all v2.0 templates and scripts will be uploadded.

But I think overwriting is better for my board.

[Craig Antill]

I just wish there was some official word on how long they think all this will take - surely they must have some idea if it's gonna be a week, a month, a year ? It's not bad for a 'summer release', eh ?

[Sharg]

They were talking about NEXT summer :D

Benj

[Mike Sullivan]

It's currently summer in Australia.

[GMTalk]

I wish it were summer here. I hate winter. Especially ICE and the id10ts that can not drive in it.

Next summer would not be good for you Ed!

[bigsoccer tech]

John/James,

Can you please give us a status report?

Thank you very much,

Jesse

[Menno]

*pulls out an "it's ready when it's ready" note*

sorry, best I can do.

[Craig Antill]

The development of version 2.0 is coming to a close, and we're planning to begin internal testing in 7-12 days. This testing phase will allow us to bug fix the release, as well as organise templates and make cosmetic changes to the control panel. If all goes to plan, this testing phase should last one week.


As things are plainly not going to plan with the new software (their words - NOT mine) I think that the lack of comment as to how far along the line we are a little worrying. Even a 'we're getting there, but it's gonna be at least another month' would be better than... silence... :(

[Freddie Bingham]

There has been ALOT done to vB that you can not see without viewing the code. I feel a lot better about the time John has been spent working on v2.0 after seeing the internals.

As far as when will you be able to at least download a beta version to mess with? A couple weeks would be the best I could offer up at this time. In a few days if John/James doesn't give you a better heads up then I will do so myself. I will let you know what all has been changed and why and what still needs to be done and when.

[Vigile]

Umm....it's been a couple days now...

:)

Any update freddie?

[dunefreak]

The best thing would probably be to set an internal date and add a month as the public release. If it is done earlier, great. We then would not need to come to the announcements forum for just another "when is it going to be ready?" post. I do get a little excited when there is a new post here in the announcements only then to find there is no actual announcement. is a bummer. :D

[Craig Antill]

The development of version 2.0 is coming to a close, and we're planning to begin internal testing in 7-12 days. This testing phase will allow us to bug fix the release, as well as organise templates and make cosmetic changes to the control panel. If all goes to plan, this testing phase should last one week.

Once we're satisfied that the software is ready for a public release, we'll add it to the members area as a "beta" for a few weeks. During this time we will be fixing all bugs reported in the software, so that at the end of this period we can remove the "beta" tag and release vBulletin 2.0 officially as a stable version.


They already did that over a month ago... :)

[Me2Be]

It's going to be a bit longer (obviously) because the guys are adding some more new things and optimizing the software even more -- with the 5 heads working on this, the things that are coming up with is great!

It will definitely be worth the wait :) :) :)

[Craig Antill]

It bloody better be after this amount of time :(

[Chris Schreiber]

Originally posted by Me2Be
It will definitely be worth the wait :) :) :)

Yup I agree 100%

[Me2Be]

Originally posted by Craig Antill
It bloody better be after this amount of time :(

You can imagine how it is -- one person has a vision of how things are going to work. You bring on a team to help, everyone with different ideas, then the brainstorming begins and the best possible outcome of everyone's ideas needs to be incorporated which may be very different both in language and concept from the original idea.

I'm just as anxious as you, believe me!!!

[Freddie Bingham]

Craig it will be worth the wait and I suppose how much "wait" is left is the big question. I don't have a real answer for that one at the moment though. I can tell you that now that I am working on the code John spent a great deal of effort working on the internals to bring it to the point where we can easily work on it now.

[Mike Sullivan]

Oh, it will be worth the wait. Hey, there may be no need for a v3... except to add posting via newsgroups, and such HUGE projects as that :)

[Cr4z33]

Yeah, and also a SMS notify service and a WAP integration.... huge, duh? :rolleyes:

[Steve_S]

Season's Greetings and Best Wishes to all :)

Please take as long as you want for the release of V2.

Respectfully, Iv'e seen versions for other products rushed to market with disasterous effects which took months to correct and "tainted" the product for a very very long time. Some recovered and some didn't.

I love vB and am glad I purchased it. Many folks are "watching" you and how you handle this release. The watchers don't own yet but want to see how this issue plays out. I'm confident that you will weigh the desires of your user base against the realities of a stable product before you release. I see very talneted people involved in this development cycle :)

Congrats and best wishes for your great progress.

[eva2000]

yeah now that i have settled in on 1.1.4 i am not in a hurry to jump into v2 yet :)

[itzelbritzel]

noooooooo

i am still waiting for v2

i cannot start our projekt cause i am waiting for v2 so i mustnt build any hacks in it


i wait for it and the projekt must wait to

;(

[ice]

on the rls date for v2?

hay dont mind me i would waite for it.. hehe it looks very sweet.

[Veidit]

Yea I'm waiting for V2 or the patched release after that.

Goto see it to belive it :)

I've been looking at some mods here and it's the right stuff for me now I just need to see V2 in action.

/Veidit

[DraGooN]

I to am going to wait for version 2 to be released before I purchase a copy.....but the way it seems..its never going to be released.

With all the features listed and spoke of, I'm sure its going to be great to have....

Anyone have a status update?

[Wayne Luke]

You can see a demo of version two of vBulletin by going to http://beta.jelsoft.com/.

Right now it is in a fine tuning stage with the final bugs being squashed and optimization going on.

[JamesUS]

Judging by the fantastic rate that the development is going at currently, does that mean there won't be a public beta release? I remember originally there was going to be one but I'd just like the developers to confirm that it will or will not happen.
Thanks! :)

[GMTalk]

Same here. If the tuning and optimization is happening on the beta site would that mean a final production release? No public Beta testing for us. that would be good to have it ironed out prior to release.


I am anxiously awaiting this release and the new features. My users are gonna be excited. I have to ask are we looking at the begining of feb? <~~~Had to ask since I have been seeing this date pop up on the board here quite often.

Thanks for the great work guys!!!!!

[Sharg]

I think They will upgrade their main forum (this one) to 2.0 and this will be the beta test. + they might also send private beta menwhile.

This is how I think, nothing official.

[John Harrison]

I would like the pubic beta skiped so its private tested by the 5 creaters.

but I like both Pubic and Private. :D

[Freddie Bingham]

The developers will beta test the forum by upgrading to v2.0. I do not know if there will be any public beta periods after that or straight into a release.

[chrispadfield]

freedie, how close to that are you. Are you still bug squashing or writing the upgrade script etc? not asking when it will be released (god forbid :) ) just where in the development process you are.

[Wayne Luke]

They'll probably be done before 2 shakes of a new spring lamb's tail...

Which is pretty liberal if you ask me. In my area we still have a couple of months before there will be any new spring lambs, let alone tail shaking.

[chrispadfield]

hehe i hope so although there are still quite a few serious bugs left and the search is still a bit of a mess.

[greggish]

Some idea of a release timetable would be appreciated... even a vague one would do at this point...and something posted by one of the actual developers would be nice. But it seems that they appreciate their privacy and can't be bothered with keeping their customers up to date. After all, this only affects the plans and developement of our projects...so why should they care?

[Freddie Bingham]

The beta release is imminent assuming no major problems are encountered.

[greggish]

...now I feel like an idiot, but happy to hear the good news.

[JamesUS]

Will the beta release be public? So we can all download it from the Members Area?

[John Harrison]

But wouldn't Pubic Beta Release delay the launch of v2.0?

or am I wrong and you mean v2.0 is the beta? :confused:

[Wayne Luke]

Currently the developers have been beta testing it on their sites or on test sites set up for this purpose. The largest public beta that I have seen is http://forums.vb-world.net/.

[JamesUS]

Are there any other online betas? I saw the vb-world one earlier. I checked a couple of the developers forums (eg HedgehogWheels) but they were still on 1.1.x

[redbird]

Have you tried this site with netscape 4.7?
It doesn't seem to work for me.
http://forums.vb-world.net/

[Rick Horwitz]

All I get is a white page in the main frame.

I sure hope 2.0 comes out soon. I lost my hacks when I upgraded from 1.3 to 1.4 and I'm not re-installing them. I just keep waiting and waiting. The users on my board miss their PM hack and the moderators miss being able to keep a copy of a moved thread in it's original location.

I got sick of the upgrade and re-hack crap from UBB and refuse to carry on the tradition with vB. I'l just wait and wait and wait... Like everyone else.

Don't worry it will be out in a month, it will be out soon, the release is imminant, it will be out by the holidays, we have a team of developers now, just be patient, and wait and wait and wait....................

[Preacher]

did you say wait ;)

[jordantlclive]

I understand that development takes time, because I do vb, c++, and perl, but I know that PHP is a simple language, and with the level of developers you have even Microsoft would have a release by now. Now what are you developing? A version for cell phones? A 3-D Virtual Reality Forum with real people whose lips move and read the words? Can we have some idea of what is going on? Is this going to be released EVER?

[werehere]

jordantlclive,

Just hold on, it is getting very near! I know it is tough waiting (I have been waiting as well), but please be patient because it is getting close. ;)

[Dark_Wizard]

Close as like next week? Maybe 2 weeks? Can we at least have a clue? How about Feb 1st? Inquiring minds want to know!

[Preacher]

a word to the developer,
ok..ok..we cry...we want it now and we piss you off with this question ....when...when....when...but one thing i would like to say is...take your time (not to long too :) ) you have only one thing to take out of all this tread... we want the software you do a great job and now we want more ;) so like i said take your time and give us a other killing software ......thanks for your work

[Karl]

Originally posted by jordantlclive
I understand that development takes time, because I do vb, c++, and perl, but I know that PHP is a simple language, and with the level of developers you have even Microsoft would have a release by now. Now what are you developing? A version for cell phones? A 3-D Virtual Reality Forum with real people whose lips move and read the words? Can we have some idea of what is going on? Is this going to be released EVER?

PHP is a simple language to get to grips with, but that is half the problem, it is easy to do things in PHP but the difficult part is doing them right and efficiently.

If they released vB2.0 now and it was slow and not very effecient half of you lot would be moaning like mad that it was slow etc. and now that they are trying to perfect it you still moan about it being delayed.

[John Harrison]

Any ETA on the upgrade script?

[JamesUS]

Well we know it has been made and worked because VB-World (John+James' forum) and HedgehogWheels (freddie's forum) have been upgraded.
I know it wasn't perfect on the VB-World upgrade but hopefully those issues have been fixed.

[Freddie Bingham]

The upgrade script works 100% (on what we have tested) and will upgrade Polls, PMs and the Calendar (from the lastest versions only!). Of course we are running into little bugs and inconsistencies running 2.0 on our own forums and are trying to fix those. I can't give you a date as to when you can expect to download v2.0 though within 2 weeks would be my guess.

[John Harrison]

That is supa! :)

[rjav8r]

gimme gimme

[Shoe]

yeah...I need it this week!

[Dark_Wizard]

Very nice....even seems faster! Has the database been optimized with the upgrade?

[Rick Horwitz]

Good to see the Beta is up on the main board! Anxiously awaiting the release!

[Me2Be]

We are very, VERY close to releasing the beta - I can feel it!!

Chris Schreiber and I have upgraded our boards (well, one of mine) to the Vb2.0 and so far so good!!

[Nicholas Brown]

Originally posted by Me2Be
We are very, VERY close to releasing the beta - I can feel it!!

Chris Schreiber and I have upgraded our boards (well, one of mine) to the Vb2.0 and so far so good!!



Want to give me the address so I can add it to my Sig? :D

[Chris Schreiber]

Originally posted by Nic[H]olas
Want to give me the address so I can add it to my Sig? :D

Mine's www.progresstalk.com

[Scaramanga_gold]

lol chris,
it says "vBulletin 1.1.3" at the bottom

[Chris Schreiber]

Originally posted by Scaramanga_gold
it says "vBulletin 1.1.3" at the bottom

LOL I guess I should change that... actually the entrance page has that stuff hard coded at the bottom... but if you enter the forums you'll see it really is 2.0 :)

[Joe]

It only says 1.13 on his front page, the actual forums say 2.0 alpha :)

[greggish]

I hope they get that fixed soon.

[rjav8r]

Originally posted by greggish
I hope they get that fixed soon.


No it's not, probably your connection!

[Mike Sullivan]

I don't think about 8 seconds to find 3400 posts is slow.
Compared to what it was doing a couple days ago, on this same server, it's slow. It was doing about 16000 posts in 5. :)

[greggish]

I said that it was sooooooo much slower...slower than 1.1.5...and according to the last post by a VB developer, he seems to confirm that.

[Mike Sullivan]

But compare loads. And searching through 50000 threads. The comparison is nil.

[bigbigsavings]

So is the load BETTER with 2.0? That is my main concern!

Alex

[SonnetCelestial]

OMG I'm so glad I haven't started hacking my board yet! PLEASE release this before I go to hong kong the day after tomorrow!!!! *dies in anticipation*

I have even more last minute things to do!

[SonnetCelestial]

Originally posted by SonnetCelestial
OMG I'm so glad I haven't started hacking my board yet! PLEASE release this before I go to hong kong the day after tomorrow!!!! *dies in anticipation*

I have even more last minute things to do!

(btw if you don't no pressure... i just am as all the others DYING to see the beta code!)

[Me2Be]

Originally posted by bigbigsavings
So is the load BETTER with 2.0? That is my main concern!
I don't have quite the traffic as you do, but I have two boards on one server (that's all that is on that server). Both of them are now converted to Vb2.0.

And averaging about 130 people on both boards at the same time during the peak hours, I've seen the load drop about 15-20% - and I haven't even optimized this server yet (waiting until the final is out because I know John and the guys are still optimizing the code).

[Xyla2]

Sorry for my question, but... is it out now ???

[JamesUS]

Not yet - only the Moderators and Developers have copies at the moment. Many of them have upgraded their boards.
I think it will be released very soon now :)

[Xyla2]

thx for the fast answer.

BTW do u know where can remove the moderator column ? I mean in which tmpl.

[ZerO]

forumdisplay, or forumhome, I don't remember

[JamesUS]

Yes you need the forumhome template :)

[Skeptical]

John and James, you guys REALLY need to close these open topics here in the "vBulletin Announcements" forum. I mean, every single time I visit there's a yellow light bulb here... It's become so ridiculous that tons of people will miss any real announcements because nobody clicks in here anymore, thinking it's just another reply, and another, and another...

Sigh........

[PeF]

Originally posted by Xyla2
BTW do u know where can remove the moderator column ? I mean in which tmpl.

I'm just curious what does this question do in the vBulletin Announcements forum?

[JamesUS]

Originally posted by Skeptical
John and James, you guys REALLY need to close these open topics here in the "vBulletin Announcements" forum. I mean, every single time I visit there's a yellow light bulb here... It's become so ridiculous that tons of people will miss any real announcements because nobody clicks in here anymore, thinking it's just another reply, and another, and another...

Sigh........



I've learnt to look for the number of theads - currently I think there are 40. If I see more than 40 I will certainly come in (like I did this morning, there used to be 38 before the vB 2 announcement). If there are still 40 then I will probably not check.

[raplh]

pray for tester is now whether is last ?

[GewGaw]

My concern is that the beta sites are not very busy forums.

Because my board is running with over 10,000 members with 100-200+ online users with 800, 000+ page view per day with UBB. It would be nice to see a beta site running something similar.

Does anyone know of a bust site runnning v2?

GewGaw

[Sharg]

How could a double post occur in the same minute ? Problem with the anti flood 60 sec limit ?

[Wayne Luke]

Originally posted by Sharg
How could a double post occur in the same minute ? Problem with the anti flood 60 sec limit ?

Flooding is set by the administrator. Having a limit of one post per 60 seconds seems a little limiting to me anyway.

[Susan]

Originally posted by GewGaw
My concern is that the beta sites are not very busy forums.

Because my board is running with over 10,000 members with 100-200+ online users with 800, 000+ page view per day with UBB. It would be nice to see a beta site running something similar.

Does anyone know of a bust site runnning v2?

GewGaw

What kind of server are you running on? www.bigbigsavings.com is running a VB 1.1.5 that has about 400 concurent users at a time, but he's on some pretty impressive hardware. Carrie's small boards (both V2.0), which average about 60 concurrent each, are both running together on an 800mhz PIII and don't hiccup at all, but she doesn't publicize her URL's. (I go to one of her smaller boards...the server is just zippy.) We run 2 version 1.1.5 boards which together average about 60 concurrent members on a dual PIII 800 with 512 RAM and the server isn't even aware that there's anything going on. (Load averages of 0.00-0.10) I think I once saw a load average for one minute that was 0.16. Depending on your set up, your server will either do fine or choke. If it chokes, it's possible to fine tune mySQL/PHP and get more performance out of the box.

HTH,

Susan

[Me2Be]

Originally posted by GewGaw
My concern is that the beta sites are not very busy forums.

Because my board is running with over 10,000 members with 100-200+ online users with 800, 000+ page view per day with UBB. It would be nice to see a beta site running something similar.

Does anyone know of a bust site runnning v2?

GewGaw
On the contrary, I run one of the more busier beta sites (150+ people during peak hours) with over 2000 posts a day -- and it is running much better on Vb2.0 than it was on 1.1.5!

I also have two smaller communities running on one server which combined average about 100+ concurrent users and the load hasn't even gone over .5!

[Susan]

Heh, Hi Carrie, I was just talkin' 'bout you. ;)

[Me2Be]

Originally posted by Susan
Heh, Hi Carrie, I was just talkin' 'bout you. ;) LOL, at the same time yet! Actually, I'm going to be moving all 3 boards to the same server since the load is so low on the big board now -- that should be fun! :D

[Susan]

Originally posted by Me2Be
Actually, I'm going to be moving all 3 boards to the same server since the load is so low on the big board now -- that should be fun! :D

I don't envy you, although it wasn't horrible for us other than the 3 days when the boards wouldn't work. (finally found out that the dump had skipped a space in the *banned words* and was fouling us up. Almost lost my mind, I did.) Let me know when you do so I can prepare for an OUH withdrawl. ;)


errr carry on about the release schedule! :D

[Me2Be]

Originally posted by Susan
Let me know when you do so I can prepare for an OUH withdrawl. ;)LOL, will do!

I was really surprised with the loads on the Vb2.0 version - it is almost a 67% decrease on big board (from 4 to 1.5 average, and on the two smaller boards combined, it went from 1.5 average to less than .7!

[Sharg]

Hi Me2b, what hardware is your site running on right now ?

Thanks,

[John Harrison]

If loads are smaller then that would mean the board is faster under v2.0? :)

[JamesUS]

Yup :)

[GewGaw]

Susan & Me2Me,

i wanted to say thanks for the reassurance on a speed and CPU load decrease when moving to 2.0.

I was impressed with the speed on your board (http://www.bigbigsavings.com/).


Thanks again,
GewGaw

[Joe]

BigBigSavings isnt Susans or Me2Be's board...

[snyx]

Okay its been a few weeks, where is the final release? PLEASE I'm very impatient!

[Me2Be]

Originally posted by snyx
Okay its been a few weeks, where is the final release? PLEASE I'm very impatient! This is a joke right?? :)

If it isn't - have you checked the members area today? It's there waiting for you to download!

[snyx]

WHAT?!? Not the beta, or alpha, but the release?

[Joe]

Your probly not going to see the final release for another month or so, its still in beta1 stage. If i were you, id download the beta version, and tinker around with it, learn the basics of v2, then upgrade when the gold (final) version is released.

[snyx]

Okay now, how hard is it to upgrade from the beta to the "gold" after hacks have been added?