vBulletin.org - discuss

[John]

Please have a chit chat here about the new hacking site.

Suggestions and questions should be aimed at Firefly on the vBulletin.org forums:
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/

John

[Nicholas Brown]

seems dead - died after I registered :/

[stefanh3]

yup:



Parse error: parse error in /data/sites/vbulletin.org/htdocs/forum/admin/functions.php on line 127

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: vbsetcookie() in /data/sites/vbulletin.org/htdocs/forum/admin/sessions.php on line 217

[shadowbreed]

following error when hitting the submit button for registering

Parse error: parse error in /data/sites/vbulletin.org/htdocs/forum/admin/functions.php on line 127

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: iif() in /data/sites/vbulletin.org/htdocs/forum/admin/sessions.php on line 289

[Syphin]

Cool, But now im getting Parse errors.. .>_< Ah well... its prolly fixed while im typin this... lol


-Syphin

[h4p3]

Originally posted by Nicholas Brown
seems dead - died after I registered :/
Yep, ... after my registration - dead.

:)

[shadowbreed]

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: iif() in /data/sites/vbulletin.org/htdocs/forum/admin/sessions.php on line 289

only that one now???


and now:

Parse error: parse error in /data/sites/vbulletin.org/htdocs/forum/admin/functions.php on line 657

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: vbdate() in /data/sites/vbulletin.org/htdocs/forum/admin/sessions.php on line 357

[Nicholas Brown]

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: getuserinfo() in /data/sites/vbulletin.org/htdocs/forum/admin/sessions.php on line 323

[John]

Yes, we're having issues with network connectivity, so uploading is being a problem. We're working on it...


John

[Bane]

looked great while I saw it :)

[Syphin]

Works now... ^^


-Syphin

[shadowbreed]

yeah except all forums have a lock and i'm not showing up on the memberslist??

[Craig Armstrong]

Warning: Too many connections in /data/sites/vbulletin.org/htdocs/forum/admin/db_mysql.php on line 38

[Joe]

Any way we could get a vB clasic style over there? My eyes dont like the color, i have a hard time reading white on blue.

[rylin]

Warning: Too many connections in /data/sites/vbulletin.org/htdocs/forum/admin/db_mysql.php on line 38 (and this goes for vbulletin.com as well.. using a shared instance of mysql eh? :o)

hopefully fixed soon though :)

[Justice]

the design is amazing

the server seems to be acting up right now, but I'm sure that will imrpove.

I don't like the fact that I'll have to re-register again though :(

[shadowbreed]

i think you should change the logo, it says vb.org well i dunno but a church and vb hacks???

[rockergrrl]

The main page is fine for me... but I can't get into anything else...

I get the "You are not logged in or you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons: " message....

Anyone else get that?
I can't even view the boards....

<edit> now I'm in... finally... took me a couple tries...</edit>

[Pogo]

rockergrrl Have you activated your account?

<edit> fine ;)

[Mega]

Closed until we open.
Mods, please register when you can and let me know so I can bump you to Super Mods



LET ME IN !! :D

Nice layout btw..

[rockergrrl]

I haven't gotten any email from vb.org....
I registered... said I had to use the same email... even though I did.... and then I tried loggin in, and I got through.. but no email from vb.org...

[shadowbreed]

same here no emails

btw go to vb.org it's not the same site as vbulletin.org see my post above

[Nicholas Brown]

:eek: - they've locked us all out :rolleyes: :)

[rockergrrl]

Originally posted by shadowbreed
same here no emails

btw go to vb.org it's not the same site as vbulletin.org see my post above


Well I knew that.... ;)

Now I got my activation email.....

[Nicholas Brown]

Originally posted by shadowbreed
same here no emails

btw go to vb.org it's not the same site as vbulletin.org see my post above

I got one :D



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[John]

OK, I think we're back up again now...sorry about those problems!

[Pk]

Originally posted by John
Please have a chit chat here about the new hacking site.

Suggestions and questions should be aimed at Firefly on the vBulletin.org forums:
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/

John


Argh, what kind of idiocy is this?
Why the hell would I want to register another user on another site when the hack forum over here worked perfect already?

Just waiting for vbulletin.net now, then were all set.
Lets register another user heh.

[Sinecure]

Actually yeah thats a great idea, I am going to make another style for people who want the default colors. I'll talk to Firefly and see if we can get that working for you guys..
We didnt lock anyone out, we were trying to get all these errors fixed. Well not I, but John, Firefly and the rest of the smart guys :D

[Bitmap]

well, i encountered a pretty stupid problem :(

first i tried to register and of course i entered the same emailadress as i have entered for this forum (and which is in my profile). then i got an error which told me that i should enter the same emailadress like on this board. quite confusing, because i actually ENTERED the same one!
i tried it a few more times with no other result. than another error. it told me that this user is already registered.
now i can just be on the boards, but not access the controlpanell ... and i never got an activation email either. still waiting for it, hoping it will better my situation :(

[Pk]

Originally posted by Sinecure
Actually yeah thats a great idea, I am going to make another style for people who want the default colors. I'll talk to Firefly and see if we can get that working for you guys..
We didnt lock anyone out, we were trying to get all these errors fixed. Well not I, but John, Firefly and the rest of the smart guys :D



People dont like to register new users on each site.
If you have one perfect website, why would any normal intelligent human want to split the site in 2 or 3 sites forcing the customers to register new users on theese forums?

Were is the logical in this?

MCDONALDS, SPLIT UP.

MCDRINK
MCBURGER
MCFRIES

yes ! the idea works!

[JJR512]

Pk, the reasoning as I understand it is that the new forums, vbulletin.org, will be open only for people who are licensed paying customers of vbulletin. That way, people who are not paying customers, who are pirates, will not be able to get any hacks for their pirated boards. At least, I think that's the theory.

Now you don't have to register twice. Only people who are interested in hacking need to register at the new place.

[floleb7]

why templates and graphics and style are not in vbulletin.org ?

if we want to modify forum all possibility need to be together no ?

[Pk]

Originally posted by floleb7
why templates and graphics and style are not in vbulletin.org ?

if we want to modify forum all possibility need to be together no ?


vbulletin.net is soon opening for that :(

[Fusion]

Originally posted by JJR512
Pk, the reasoning as I understand it is that the new forums, vbulletin.org, will be open only for people who are licensed paying customers of vbulletin. That way, people who are not paying customers, who are pirates, will not be able to get any hacks for their pirated boards. At least, I think that's the theory.

On behalf of the just-looking potentional customers I take offense to the characteristics that all non-licensed customers are by default pirates! Besides, you couldn't possibly be a paying customer and not be licensed, or vice versa. ;)


Now you don't have to register twice. Only people who are interested in hacking need to register at the new place.

I'm interested, you saying I shouldn't register? The nerve!

[jrwap]

Ok, Im having problems. I registered and entered my licence info. I can't edit my profile, post, or anything because of permissions.

Someone please help.

Thanks,

-JRW

[Bitmap]

Originally posted by jrwap
Ok, Im having problems. I registered and entered my licence info. I can't edit my profile, post, or anything because of permissions.

Someone please help.

same here

[TGO]

None of the attachments are working...please fix that or ill be forced to get violent ;)

[Syphin]

Originally posted by TGO
None of the attachments are working...please fix that or ill be forced to get violent ;)

They are working... You have to have your liscence info entered in, in order to download...


http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31848



-Syphin

[Delhaze]

It's not a good start is it.

Padlocks everywhere !!!

[HairyMonster]

I feel **** on from a great height, who the hell had the idea to do this ?

To top it all off if Sinecure has anything to do with it vbulletin.org will end up pay per view :( or if we don't all praise him he may spit his dummy out again and remove the board.

This totaly sucks and is not what I spent my hard earned cash on, I spent my money cos I heard there was a hacking and helpfull community all in one nice convenient place.

Why the hell would anyone split the forums up in this way it makes no sense whatsoever?

And as far as those colours go I take it sinecure did the graphics and would like to ask him if they are the only colours he knows.

The only plus point that site has going for it is ..... well at the moment I cant think of one TBH.

This sux.

HM

[Bane]

If you're getting the padlocks, make sure your name is on the licence info as a user.

In other words, go here http://www.vbulletin.com/members/vbulletin.org.php and make sure the name you use on the forums is entered into one of the slots!

[jrwap]

I have done that. Now what?

-JRW

[Delhaze]

Originally posted by Bane
If you're getting the padlocks, make sure your name is on the licence info as a user.

In other words, go here http://vbulletin.com/members/forums.php and make sure the name you use on the forums is entered into one of the slots!

I've already done that !

[HairyMonster]

Oh kewl how many more sites do we have to give our details out to to get access to ?

This totaly takes the piss. :(

Somehow with all this crap infopop is looking good again :(


HM

[Pk]

Originally posted by HairyMonster
I feel **** on from a great height, who the hell had the idea to do this ?

To top it all off if Sinecure has anything to do with it vbulletin.org will end up pay per view :( or if we don't all praise him he may spit his dummy out again and remove the board.

This totaly sucks and is not what I spent my hard earned cash on, I spent my money cos I heard there was a hacking and helpfull community all in one nice convenient place.

Why the hell would anyone split the forums up in this way it makes no sense whatsoever?

And as far as those colours go I take it sinecure did the graphics and would like to ask him if they are the only colours he knows.

The only plus point that site has going for it is ..... well at the moment I cant think of one TBH.

This sux.

HM

I have nothing against Sinecure, he has done a lot of great stuff for vbulletin. But, this is just to much.

Id like to hear a logical explanation from vbulletin crew.
Why did they do this?
Cant be cause of the piracy.

Other reasons make no sense at all.

Now i have another board to register on, another website to check daily. Great, really great...when vbulletin.com had it all.

Thanks, for the extra troubble. heh.

[Delhaze]

Got to agree somewhat with HM. I don't want a separate board for hacks. It was working well before. Why couldn't the members only part be applied here instead.

[Pk]

Originally posted by HairyMonster
Oh kewl how many more sites do we have to give our details out to to get access to ?

This totaly takes the piss. :(

Somehow with all this crap infopop is looking good again :(


HM

LoL, preach on brother :-)
Infopop might not be the best coded forum, but Infopop has the best customer service right now atleast.

Vbulletin.net and the circle is completed.

[Pk]

Originally posted by Delhaze
Got to agree somewhat with HM. I don't want a separate board for hacks. It was working well before. Why couldn't the members only part be applied here instead.

Good question.
Dont expect a answer.
:mad:

[jrwap]

Im willing to give this all a chance.... but I can't even get in!!! The hacks forum is the only one that I check anyway so it won't be too bad. I just won't be back to vbulletin's site much.

LET ME IN !!!!

-JRW

[HairyMonster]

Maybe I have a biased view on sincecure and I realy do not mean him any disrespect in this matter contary to my other posts in this thread.

I just feel that we were building a wide and varied community on here (Aint that what this whole thing is about) I may not of posted loads and I may not be well known but this is like splitting the rolling stones up or something as although the Mods and Admins make a forum to some extent so do the members.

I realy dont want to have to jump from one website to another to find out if a new hack is out etc. All those implementations on .org could of been done here.

There was no need to split it all up.

I aint agaisnt change but I feel that change should be for the better and not for the worse.

Please oh wise Mr S reinstate the forums we LOVE and dont let us worship a false god.

HM

[Pk]

Originally posted by HairyMonster
Maybe I have a biased view on sincecure and I realy do not mean him any disrespect in this matter contary to my other posts in this thread.

I just feel that we were building a wide and varied community on here (Aint that what this whole thing is about) I may not of posted loads and I may not be well known but this is like splitting the rolling stones up or something as although the Mods and Admins make a forum to some extent so do the members.

I realy dont want to have to jump from one website to another to find out if a new hack is out etc. All those implementations on .org could of been done here.

There was no need to split it all up.

I aint agaisnt change but I feel that change should be for the better and not for the worse.

Please oh wise Mr S reinstate the forums we LOVE and dont let us worship a false god.

HM


I couldnt have said it better.
;)

I FEAR CHANGE.

[Delhaze]

Originally posted by Pk


I couldnt have said it better.
;)


ditto

[Justice]

Originally posted by HairyMonster
There was no need to split it all up.

I aint agaisnt change but I feel that change should be for the better and not for the worse.

I think that pretty much sums up what everone's thinking right about now. Two different logins, private message systems, thread subcriptions, total post counts, etc. Why??

[Delhaze]

Whats really anoying is there was a lengthy discussion on proposed changes to this community.

And after all that, this is implemented without any discussion at all.

[Bald Bouncer]

Yep I totally agree with HM, couldn't have said it better myself :)

[HairyMonster]

I think to much time and thought was put into can they do it rather than should they do it.

The depression is starting to set in now and I feel I may drown my gold fish if things get worse.

Please reconsider and listen to what the members want.

HM

[Ruth]

just want to comment about moving the hack forums to vbulletin.org, i think it is not a good idea for several reasons:

(1) if my hack requests didnt get a response in here, why would they there? i.e i lost hope after seeing the forums moved there, and i think a fresh start is better over there.

(2) What is the difference of having them here or there? and i think having them here is better since you have all the other developer's forums.

(3) i prefer the forums to be here, because i am used to it.

(4) and i prefer the light interface instead of the dark one.

(5) You and we don't have to share member's access information.

P.S if you took my suggestion about "subscription of forums between boards" to share certain forums between websites, you wouldn't have any problem since people can choose where to go to read and post. ;)

cheers,

[Justice]

I think listening to what the members want was one of the main distinctions vBulletin made, over the competition.

But I'm a man of reason, not of consensus... if having 2 boards like this is indeed better, I'd just like to know why.

[HairyMonster]

I read this forum for months before I got my vbull and found it to way outstrip ubb's forum for the shear community feel it had.

Thats was to be honest (along with the obvious qualities of the software itself) the deciding factor in me spending the cash on it.

I am not willing to give my license info out to a site that although maybe ran by .com is on the whole ran by some guy who was a joe shmoe like the rest of us yesterday.

When this forum asked for my details I gave them and I even came up with a similar idea on how it could be done to the system used now. I am not willing to give them out to any other site apart from this forum.

Please see the sense in what you have done this is not the way to go.

HM

[TGO]

Originally posted by Syphin


They are working... You have to have your liscence info entered in, in order to download...


http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31848



-Syphin

Thanks :)

[Pk]

Originally posted by HairyMonster
I read this forum for months before I got my vbull and found it to way outstrip ubb's forum for the shear community feel it had.

Thats was to be honest (along with the obvious qualities of the software itself) the deciding factor in me spending the cash on it.

I am not willing to give my license info out to a site that although maybe ran by .com is on the whole ran by some guy who was a joe shmoe like the rest of us yesterday.

When this forum asked for my details I gave them and I even came up with a similar idea on how it could be done to the system used now. I am not willing to give them out to any other site apart from this forum.

Please see the sense in what you have done this is not the way to go.

HM


Since there havent been any explanation why they did this, i doubt they will answer at all.
:eek:

There goes the forum customerservice.

[John]

Hi guys!

Please read my responses to some of the common questions here:

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=196347#post196347

[jrwap]

They are still having problems over there. I have entered my licence info and I still can't post or even edit my profile. I think there should have been more testing before taking this public.

Also, everyone here has been waiting to make any more changes to their sites, because a new version was going to be released yesterday. I guess this new venture is more important than a new release.

I hope that these issues will be taken care of very promptly.

-JRW

[Pk]

Originally posted by John
Hi guys!

Please read my responses to some of the common questions here:

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=196347#post196347


There was only 1 comment there worth reading it was this :

Why did you move it to another site?

Firstly, we cannot offer support to hacked boards, so it seemed a little silly to have the forums here on the official vBulletin forums, yet not be willing to offer any support for it. Because of this, it was agreed that we move it off to another site, that could have its one and only focus of being a site for vBulletin code-hackers. vBulletin.org is in its infancy, and will grow into a much bigger and better community that leaving the forums here could ever do. In the long run, the web site will be built up considerably more around the forums, so as to provide a complete solution for vBulletin code hackers. The transistion to the new site may be a little painful as we iron out the bugs, but we will get everything running smoothly.

The vBulletin code-hacking community has a huge chance to mature now, and I look forward to helping it do so by listening to your feedback on this change. Please just bear with us, and look at how these developments can help the community to grow.


------------------
Why cant you offer support to the hack forums here but you can on the vbulletin.org website?
Why not just give 2-3 ppl access so they can help them on this hack board?

[JJR512]

What jrwap said applies to me as well. When I click the new thread button in any forum or try to edit my profile or options, I am told I either am not logged in or do not have permission. It says I am logged in as JJR512. The link to enter my name on that form takes me to a form that already has my name on it.

[John]

If you let me know your username over there, I'll take a look.

John

[jrwap]

My username is the same: jrwap

I have followed all the instructions and entered all my vb info.

Thanks John,

-JRW

[Syphin]

Originally posted by TGO


Thanks :)


No Problem.. ^^


And I think this change is good, to some point.. Like john said in his announcment, Whats the sense of having a hackers forum on here, when they dont even offer support for it.. :p There, all the membere are there for hacks, thus more support for them...

Ive already seen people that own pirated boads start complaining about nt being able to d/l hacks... I just find that funny... >_<

</end rant>


-Syphin

[Ruth]

the same hackers who are wondering around in vBulletin.org are/were wondering in .com, what are the motives that will make the hackers respond strongly to user's requests over .org to make the hacks community grow better over there?

[Bitmap]

ok ... i'm actually getting nowhere. I HAVE ENTERED ALL THE INFO and can't do anything!!!!!! my license info are entered in the members area but i can't chance neiter my profile info nor reply on the forums of www.vbulletin.org
please help me?!!!! this is the third time i am asking but all i get to hear is you must enter your license info. I ALREADY HAVE!!! i checked 3 times now. i think this whole new stuff sucks. i don't like it at all :(

[jrwap]

Bitmap,
Many of us are also having the same problems as you. John was around here very recently and said that he would look into this for us ASAP.

-JRW

[Bender]

Uuh, calm down everyone ;)

Hm, i like changes, so why not switch to vbulletin.org? Since I've bought a vBulletin, I can't see the problems with the hacks forums now beeing under a different URL .... when most of the people there will be the same.

And - I don't recall sumbitting any sensitive information to vbulletin.org, except for entering my profile again ... which is not that bad .... All the sensitive information has been submitted to vbulletin.com, so again, no problem here.

Like the style, too, but then again, I like dark styles ;)

[John]

Ruth,

The community will all be focused in one place, and will have the necessary tools and website around it so support a hacking audience, rather than these forums here, which are designed to look after support and development of vB.


Bitmap, jrwap, et al.

Please make sure that you actually register at vBulletin.org:
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/register.php

John

[s.molinari]

I think what alot of people are feeling is sort of like betrayal. Especially those who wrote hacks like myself. We all contributed to vB.com with our hacks and I guess it is just going to take some getting used to finding them in a dark blue/black unfamiliar place. :(

Scott

[jrwap]

John,

vBulletin Message:
Our records show that you have already registered at this board under the name of jrwap. If you have lost your password, click here. If you would like to modify your profile, click here.

Also, look at the Currently Active Users list.... Im online!!

Thanks,

-JRW

[Bitmap]

Originally posted by John

Bitmap, jrwap, et al.

Please make sure that you actually register at vBulletin.org:
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/register.php

John

well ... that's what i was talking about on the first page of this topic. i tried. it didn't work :(

here the whole thing i posted on the first page:

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first i tried to register and of course i entered the same emailadress as i have entered for this forum (and which is in my profile). then i got an error which told me that i should enter the same emailadress like on this board. quite confusing, because i actually ENTERED the same one!
i tried it a few more times with no other result. than another error. it told me that this user is already registered.
now i can just be on the boards, but not access the controlpanell ... and i never got an activation email either. still waiting for it, hoping it will better my situation
----------------------

[Bald Bouncer]

I just wonder how long before the NEW hacks forum gets adverts on it to support it like popup adds etc....
I think the announcement would probably go as follows:
As you all know Vbulletin.org is not part of our main site and as such has to finacially support itself blah blah blah popup adds blah blah blah add banners.
any chance of a stating now that this will never happen?

[John]

Bitmap, jrwap:

I've fixed the database now - there were a few corruptions issues from when the database went down when we had a few problems. You should be able to confirm your email addresses (check your email!) and then continue as usual.

Sorry for any problems!

John

[JJR512]

John, the username I registered with, or tried to, is JJR512. At the end of the registration process, the server hung, so I backed up and resubmitted it, and was then told the name was already in use. I assumed that even though I got no indication of it the first time, that it did go through.

I looked at the member list there, and I am not in it.

Even though I could not edit my profile or options, I could change my avatar, which I did. On the front page of the board, it says welcome to me, and I see my avatar.

When I click on my name in Who's Online, I see my profile complete with all the info I submitted when I thought I registered, as well as my avatar. It links me to two hacks I've released, which I can see the threads from, but it says I have zero (0) posts and have never posted.

[JJR512]

OK, disregard that. I guess while I was typing I got your email about the activation email not being sent. The link provided in that email did not work, but I got it to send me another activation code, which did work.

I still find it odd, though, that even though I can see some of my posts there, I have a post count of zero (0).

[jrwap]

Ok I got the email and clicked on the link to activate and got this:

We could not activate your account because this web address is not valid. Make sure that you have the entire address from the email, and that your email client has not split the address over several lines.

Please try again with the full address from the email that you received. If it still does not work, try filling in the activation form:
Activation form

If you do not know your activation code, you can find it in the email that was sent to you when you first registered. To have it sent again, please click here:
Send new email with activation code.

If all else fails, email the administrator, making sure that you include your registered email address and username.


I am now waiting for an email giving me my activation code. Then I can do it manually. Obviously there are serious problems here.

Thanks,

-JRW

[jrwap]

Ok, I received the activation code via email. I tried to activate the account manually, but I got the same error message about an invalid web address.

Please help a brotha out!!!

-JRW

[John]

Bald Bouncer:

The site is subsidised and hosted by us, so you will not see any adverts appearing there.

jrwap, I've activated your account, so fire away

John

[jrwap]

Your the man!!

Thanks John,

-JRW

[Pk]

Originally posted by Bender
Uuh, calm down everyone ;)

Hm, i like changes, so why not switch to vbulletin.org? Since I've bought a vBulletin, I can't see the problems with the hacks forums now beeing under a different URL .... when most of the people there will be the same.

And - I don't recall sumbitting any sensitive information to vbulletin.org, except for entering my profile again ... which is not that bad .... All the sensitive information has been submitted to vbulletin.com, so again, no problem here.

Like the style, too, but then again, I like dark styles ;)


I like changes, but it depends what the changes are.
If this had happend before i bought vbulletin i wouldnt have bought it, that simple.

Going to check if i can withdraw the money, only been 2 weeks.
If stuff like this will happen in the future then its not worth it, why not ask the community before they do huge changes like this first?

Money down the drain.

There are 100000 other PHP forums out there for free, why not get one of them now.

[Bald Bouncer]

The site is subsidised and hosted by us, so you will not see any adverts appearing there

I got that cut, pasted and saved now, I saw ezeboard make the same claims after making us pay, then increased the anti so I moved to VB.
I really hate adds and popups are the pits.

[Bitmap]

Originally posted by John
Bitmap, jrwap:

I've fixed the database now - there were a few corruptions issues from when the database went down when we had a few problems. You should be able to confirm your email addresses (check your email!) and then continue as usual.

didn't get any email ... well, thank's for the help anyway.
i'm going to bed now.

[Freddie Bingham]

I think everyone here is over-reacting just a bit.

Firstly we do not support hacks, that is made very clear in the license agreement. What was happening here was that everyone was modifying their forums and then posting in every forum other than the hacking forums when they have problems. If you modify your forum than you have cut our obligation to support you. Moving the forums to a different url but on the same server makes this distinction very clear.

I am a super mod here but I am an Admin on the hack site. The mods here will participate at vbulletin.org just as much as they did here. Nothing will change in that regard.

The standard vBulletin style will be brought up at vbulletin.org in the next few days to help those who can not use the current style.

[Sinecure]

I know a lot of you are not happy with the current style, and thats alright, as a design doesn't neccesarily appeal to eveyrone. Firefly and I are working on using the default vbulletin style as an extra. So, if you do not like the current style ,that you can choose to have the default colors back (YAY!).

I hope that answers some of your concerns and questions about the graphics/styles end of things. Firefly and the rest of the crew are working on some of the technical issues like regstration problems and so on.

Thanks again everyone :D

[Bender]

Originally posted by Pk

I like changes, but it depends what the changes are.
If this had happend before i bought vbulletin i wouldnt have bought it, that simple.

I don't really understand.
- The Server is the same
- The people are the same
- They've new features like the 'Install Hack' And 'Update Hack' which are an awesome.
- Its a new URL .... :D
So, nothing really changes apart from the design, does it?
And, oh, yeah, you will be able to change the design :D
I'm going to like this 'new' forum ;)

[Hooper]

Nice John,

I like the idea. This is a nice implementation of some of our ideas.

I like it and I think having to have your license registered there will help curb the theft of vBulletin.


Thanks ;)

[Pk]

Originally posted by freddie
I think everyone here is over-reacting just a bit.

Firstly we do not support hacks, that is made very clear in the license agreement. What was happening here was that everyone was modifying their forums and then posting in every forum other than the hacking forums when they have problems. If you modify your forum than you have cut our obligation to support you. Moving the forums to a different url but on the same server makes this distinction very clear.

I am a super mod here but I am an Admin on the hack site. The mods here will participate at vbulletin.org just as much as they did here. Nothing will change in that regard.

The standard vBulletin style will be brought up at vbulletin.org in the next few days to help those who can not use the current style.

freddie, just cause you have the hack forums on vbulletin.com doesnt need to mean that you dont support it.

Let the community take care of thoose forums, no need to put up a single website for it.

[Pk]

Originally posted by Bender

I don't really understand.
- The Server is the same
- The people are the same
- They've new features like the 'Install Hack' And 'Update Hack' which are an awesome.
- Its a new URL .... :D
So, nothing really changes apart from the design, does it?
And, oh, yeah, you will be able to change the design :D
I'm going to like this 'new' forum ;)


Different database, more ppl will have access to your information, another website to look at, and thoose new forums are such a lame exuse, since it would take a minute for the admins here to implant them.

New Url?
rofl.

[mrlister]

You guys are killing me. I got so excited when i saw the icon lit up that i clicked on it really fast.. but no thx to my fast internet it took only 1 second to make me disappointed again..... it's times like this i wish i had a modem... ;)

[Palmer ofShinra]

I really, truly, fail to see what everyone's problem is.

OK... from the beginning they've had notes up saying they don't support hacked boards.

Period.

So now they set up a seperate forum to enable hack support...

NOTHING CHANGES. NOTHING AT ALL.

A new URL? Oh, that's SOOOOO hard.

Three little letters of difference. Is it really so bad?

Now... some of you are complaining about having to submit your title info to a second site.

ARE YOU BLIND?

First off... you aren't submitting your info to a different site.

You submit it to THIS site,via an .htaccess password to get to the member area.

Then you fill NAMES, just usernames, not your license info, into a form and click Submit.

And all this does is flag those usernames, here and there, with "Licensed" in a hidden custom user field. (This is how I assume it works... it's what it looks like to me and how I would have done it.)

Your license info never gets sent to vb.org.


Oh dear, another registration... that took you, what? 3 minutes?

I did mine in under 2, plus another minute for the email confirm.

The simple fact is...

This is everything they were discussing in the anti-piracy thread.

EVERYTHING.

They simply did it in a different way that you expected.

Gimmee a break... can't you appreciate what they have done for you?

Or must you bitch about everything?

[Bane]

I love the new forum and the new features that go along with it. Anything that helps the community grow and mature is a good thing.

Really this thread seems pretty full of, well, a lot of negativity. Pk, Im not sure what your real problem is with the change besides having to look at another domain. and HM seems to only have a problem with Sinecure being involved. Other than those two horrible occurances are there any other legitimate reasons this isnt a good thing?


As an aside Pk, you arent chinese are you? Just asking because of the normal use of those two letters in chinese diction :D

[FWC]

I love the new site. I had no problems registering. I like the idea of having two different URL's. I don't have as much to read all at once when I go to one or the other. It will make it easier to stay on top of everything. Great job, guys! :)

[mrlister]

Palmer ofShinra: I'm confused. do you like or not like it.

btw if you got the wrong impression before... i love that site and especially the layout and the features..

[Reeve of Shinra]

I think Palmer was agreeing with the transition of the hacks forum to the new site....

I agree as well for all the reasons listed. Most of all, you know they will have that board tweaked out with some wicked $hit. <G>

[Prolex]

I agree with Bane...

[tubedogg]

I agree with Freddie. You guys are overreacting just a tad. As John said we moved the hacking out of these forums because we will not and can not support your board if you have hacked it, due to the infinite possibilities of changed code involved.

For those who claim more people will have access to your data, if you notice, the URL you go to to put in your username over there is in the official vBulletin Member's Area. As John said, it is hosted on this server. The same people (John and James) who have access to your data are the same people who are the only two who have always had access to your data. You don't need to input your license information anywhere. You are asked to put in your username so no one else can register your name there and impersonate you.

Just relax and try it out for a couple weeks.

[jrwap]

I agree. This will hopefully prove to be a great move for vbulletin and all of its hackers.

-JRW

[c-prompt]

I have a problem and have sent in a ticket in the support area but still no response. I need to find out how I go about getting my information. Or am I forced to buy another license?

[Hooper]

The only negative threads I see in here are that of TK and maybe one another. The majority seems to think that what has been implemented is a fine way to go. I really like it myself. Maybe those who are complaining should spend some time over there helping out. It looked quite busy today for a while.

It's really disapointing to those who have worked hard on this to see negative posts about it.

[Palmer ofShinra]

OK... this is annoying me now...

I register there, no problem.
Do the email confirm.
I set my avatar to my usual ugly puss.

Make a few posts... change my style set to the vB Classic.

Leave for a few hours.

I come back... and my cookie seems to have vanished, as I'm showing up as Guest.

Odd, but I log in. No problems there.

Then I notice my Style Set is back to the default.
And my Avatar is gone.

I hit Avatar in the CP and set it up again. Then I go to Edit Options...

And get "No Permission". It says I'm logged in as me...

So I go check the little "licensed user" form... My name isn't there anymore. But one of my co-admins is.

So I put my name in again. No prob.

Go back...

Still get "No Permission" when trying to edit options.

And "No Permission" when I try to post in a thread *I* started! In the unrestricted "Forum Commenting" forum.

What gives?

[ethank]

I'm fully behind the changes and think they are being done in the best interest of the vBulletin user community. Hacking this software can be daunting, fun, frustrating and ultimately rewarding. The user community is one of the key reasons I bought this software in the first place.

If I had seen the hacking board when I bought it, it wouldn't have taken 2 weeks of research on my part to reach purchase decision point :)

Minus the design (which I'm not keen on, I don't like dark background designs), I think it makes the product much more professional and sellable.

But...I feel Jellsoft's pain. I just did something as innocuous as adding a few subconferences to a popular conference on my boards in order to make it more organized, and you'd think I killed someones cat by the responses I got :)

Change is GOOD, but doesn't always feel that way to some.

Ethan

[Mega]

Cant register :(

After submit it keeps saying I need to fill in all the fields... AND I did that !

[Mas*Mind]

I like the new board, but I do think too it's a bit inconvenient to have to separate boards on this matter. Good job though

Anyway; I wonder how you guys partially moved the hack-threads... I this a new vb feature or a feature of mysql I don't know about

[FWC]

Originally posted by Mas*Mind
I like the new board, but I do think too it's a bit inconvenient to have to separate boards on this matter.I don't think it's inconvenient. It's the opposite. One thing about this place that was always a problem for me was having enough time to read all the forums I'm interested in during one session. It's so much easier now. There's not as much stuff to read on either site. I can log in without having a huge amount of time set aside. Also, I have numerous sites bookmarked. What's the big deal about having one more? That's just my opinion. Of course, I could be wrong.

[Joe]

Can we get a link at the top of these forums to the .org site? I'll never find my way back to the vb.org site without a link ;) hehe

[Palmer ofShinra]

nm... seems to be working now...

[Lesane]

Originally posted by Mega
Cant register :(

After submit it keeps saying I need to fill in all the fields... AND I did that !

Be sure to add your full website url, it dont accept http://

[HairyMonster]

Really this thread seems pretty full of, well, a lot of negativity. Pk, Im not sure what your real problem is with the change besides having to look at another domain. and HM seems to only have a problem with Sinecure being involved. Other than those two horrible occurances are there any other legitimate reasons this isnt a good thing?

Take sinecure out of the loop and I still think it is a bad idea and if you aint blind like you claim you aint you would of read my post stating my personal feelings towards sinecure are not the issue.

I thought as did many others that vbull had it right and encompassed all the forums into one manageable and easy to use place and now we have to swap over to another site all because some guy decided to make it look pretty.

HM

[HairyMonster]

Why did you move it to another site?

Firstly, we cannot offer support to hacked boards, so it seemed a little silly to have the forums here on the official vBulletin forums, yet not be willing to offer any support for it.

That is the lamest excuse I have heard as they will only be asking the same questions on the .org site as they did on here and since they are both ran by you then what is the differance ?

Are you telling me that the .org site aint an official vbull site now as this is what is sounds like ?

No one asks for official support for hacks as they are not officialy part of the forum software you produce unless you decide to intergrate them.

HM

What next ! Are you going to split all the other forums up like the php coding one and the site hosting one as they surely are not anything to do with the vbull product are they ?

[Pk]

Originally posted by HairyMonster


Take sinecure out of the loop and I still think it is a bad idea and if you aint blind like you claim you aint you would of read my post stating my personal feelings towards sinecure are not the issue.

I thought as did many others that vbull had it right and encompassed all the forums into one manageable and easy to use place and now we have to swap over to another site all because some guy decided to make it look pretty.

HM


Good post HM.

Cause there has been 1-2 posts where ppl has asked me what my problem is then i will tell you.
First i study fulltime, and more to get the highest grades.
When i come home and have free time, i spend it looking for news for my political website, including my gaming site and 2 more sites are on their way (i got a network).

I have a user on probably 30-40 message boards, which i brows daily to get more information to post.
Now i have to get 1 more user on another website, why? Dont know, all i know its a hell. When it all worked perfect here.

Well congratulations firefly and sinecure, you really did it this time. heh.

New slogan should be

"Vbulletin - We know whats best for our customer"

[c-prompt]

I think its ok and all. My only personal problem is that 3 of the admins are 15, and 17 years old. (No offense to those people)

But again, thats just a personal thing. Other than that I don't see any negatives. I mean, I do see the argument of, "why". Because in all reality, I can't think of one reason it was done either. But, I don't see any harm about it.

[Pk]

Originally posted by c-prompt
I think its ok and all. My only personal problem is that 3 of the admins are 15, and 17 years old.

But again, thats just a personal thing. Other than that I don't see any negatives. I mean, I do see the argument of, "why". Because in all reality, I can't think of one reason it was done either. But, I don't see any harm about it.


Thats also a problem, are there any legal contract btw vbulletin and theese admins? I really dont want ppl to be able to have my information.

But then again a legal contract isnt possible since they are to young. heh.

[HairyMonster]

I dont mean to bash vbull in any way as tbh I love the product and that is why I probably feel so stongly about the recent changes to the forums.

I am just at a loss to understand why what they have done on the .org site could of not been implemented here.

If they needed a showcase site to show what the site looked like before it was altered then they could of easily set one up on the server for people too gawp at and then they would think oooh nice board look what you can do with it I want some of that.

I still want to know why if hacking vbull does not warrant "Official Support" then why bother supporting it on another "Official" site rather than its own "Official" site right here ?

Is this all some kind of halloween joke or somthing ? Is kier gonna jump out from behined my desk and shout boo its all a bad dream ?

Please say so.

HM

[treszoks]

I like it the old way with everything all on one site.

[Fusion]

Originally posted by Pk



Thats also a problem, are there any legal contract btw vbulletin and theese admins? I really dont want ppl to be able to have my information.

But then again a legal contract isnt possible since they are to young. heh.
`
Indeed.
John called the vB.org site "the official vBulletin code-hacking site", implying it's in fact an extension of vB.com, further compounded by the traffic of verification data that is sent back and forth between the two sites. I know, you said that no customer data ever leaves the .com, but that is beside the point. You've opened for access to this data, and it could be abused if accessed in the right way.

I was really amazed when I learned the age of these socalled admins, and even more amazed that vB.com "officially" trusts these teens to be 110% devoted in the long run. Maybe I'm too small-minded, but I simply can't see that happening, and I think what we'll see happen over time is that anyone uneasy about this will avoid that forum, and thus the hacks, and wait for whatever new changes vB.com decides to incorporate into the software.

Now, where would that leave the software down the road? Colored largely by teens and diehard, I-dont-care kiddies?

I know this has made me think twice about getting my own license, and in turn promote this solution to my clients. In truth, vB is _the_ best bulletin board software around, but I seriously fear where this change will take its evolution.

[rockergrrl]

vBulletin.org isn't any different that what UBB has with ubbdev.com.

Its a code hacking community - but its official.

UBB doesn't support hacked boards... that's why UBB officially endorsed ubbdev.com.

Just as there are moderators and admins over at ubbdev.com -- the same it is with vbulletin.org.

Blah blah blah... yadda yadda yadda....

[Fusion]

That's right, blow it off.
Let's do a little math. A quick survey of the status of my clients show that I have in excess of 100 clients that are potential customers, over a 2 year period, that's $19.500 in licenses and download access alone. It's truly great that you think that vB.com can skip that kind of income just like that.

Heh..

[thewitt]

I read these over-reactions and just shake my head. You guys really don't deal with change well, that's for sure.

I applaud the folks at Jelsoft for allowing the vBulletin hacking community to have a supported place to meet and discuss modifications to vBulletin, without the distractions of the generic support requests, etc.

Thank you Jelsoft for making the new forums available for us and to continue to grow vBulletin in the best forum software on the net.

Keep up the great work gentlemen.

-t

[Prolex]

Yeah I also shake my head...

It's amazing how you are all over reacting to this. HairyMonster you say that you don't want to enter in your liscence information because Sinecure might get a hold of it? lmao. Sinecure has no access to the Liscence Information. Either does Firefly.

[TommyBALL]

The new vbulletin.org forum is a Great Thing (tm) :). Now we are allowed to share our hacks, including vB source code, in the files we modify.

A big THANKS to Jelsoft for making it SO much easier to share and use hacks for their licensed customers. :)

And to the "whiners" who are so resistant to change:
- Do you whine just as much when you have to change underwear as well :D ;)

*runs like hell to avoid the rotten tomatoes*
- TommyBALL

[c-prompt]

Originally posted by TommyBALL
including vB source code, in the files we modify.


I read somewhere a quote from John saying No we cannot do that still.

[Syphin]

Yup, says it right here:

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=196369#post196369


*goes back to sleep* >_<


-Syphin

[Pk]

Originally posted by thewitt
I read these over-reactions and just shake my head. You guys really don't deal with change well, that's for sure.

I applaud the folks at Jelsoft for allowing the vBulletin hacking community to have a supported place to meet and discuss modifications to vBulletin, without the distractions of the generic support requests, etc.

Thank you Jelsoft for making the new forums available for us and to continue to grow vBulletin in the best forum software on the net.

Keep up the great work gentlemen.

-t


So we cant grow here?
Whats the difference, everything that vbulletin.org can be implanted here...

Like fusion said, other forums look good right now.
www.openbb.net :-)

[HairyMonster]

Yeah I also shake my head...

It's amazing how you are all over reacting to this. HairyMonster you say that you don't want to enter in your liscence information because Sinecure might get a hold of it? lmao. Sinecure has no access to the Liscence Information. Either does Firefly.

I also said that by taking sinecure out of the loop I still would not enter my info.

1. I would not entrust my details to be viewed by someone who is half the age of my children.

2. These guys cant legaly order a pint or drive a car and Jelsoft expect me to recognise them as Admin ?

3. OK it has been cleared up that the info is stored on the .com server but I would like to know what info is sent to the .org server and how it is transmited (ssl or not) as this poses a security risk.

4. I paid for my support and as such I expect to be able to gain access to it without having to join umpteen sites and enter my members details on each of them.

You have to enter your details to download vbull so why can the support forums not be in this area with a seperate section for non registered and potential buyers to post in ?

Or access to the hacks forums being given to those who have entered thier details or assosiated members names into thier profiles ?

This would in effect stamp out the problem.

I am not against change if it is done properly.

O and since were on a sinecure trip here can I have my arse kissed by some admins for the idea of having assosiated members added to thier profiles. I guess not.

Oh and where did that post go it was getting interesting.

HM

[Sinecure]

I am sorry to hear you dont like me HairyMonster..

[John]

I will respond to individual issues later when I get a moment, but I would like to make two points:

1. Please can everyone stop being so ageist. Period. Judge people by what they do, not how old they are. Jelsoft has always had this policy, and will continue to have this policy.

2. vBulletin.org is hosted on the same server as vBullein.com, so no data ever leaves Jelsoft. We treat customer privacy with highest importance, which is why all the customer details are held on the vBulletin.com server, and only that server.

Finally, thanks for all the support and comments! We will be working on improving the service and the site as much as we can over time!

John

[Pk]

Originally posted by Sinecure
I am sorry to hear you dont like me HairyMonster..


Sinecure, he didnt say he didnt like you. I can asure you that HM as I think you have done a lot of great stuff for VB.
But, your just 17, remember that.

[HairyMonster]

I never said I didnt like you I just think that the only people who should make money from vbull is the guys who designed it.

BTW this has nothing to do with my personal views on you.

HM

[Chen]

Thanks everyone for their kind remarks! :)

[Sinecure]

To top it all off if Sinecure has anything to do with it vbulletin.org will end up pay per view or if we don't all praise him he may spit his dummy out again and remove the board.
--------------------------
And as far as those colours go I take it sinecure did the graphics and would like to ask him if they are the only colours he knows.

--------------------------
Please oh wise Mr S reinstate the forums we LOVE and dont let us worship a false god.
--------------------------
I am not willing to give my license info out to a site that although maybe ran by .com is on the whole ran by some guy who was a joe shmoe like the rest of us yesterday.


That was the impression I got after reading those comments :rolleyes:

[Chen]

Originally posted by Pk
But, your just 17, remember that.
Do you happen to know how old some of the vB developers are? Or for the matter, even the moderators?
I will be happy to remind you if you don't.

[HairyMonster]

Hey sinecure I was in a good mood when i posted those :) plus the swear filter is on aint it ?

/me checks that vbull is a .com as we know how long they tend to last when ran by children.

At 17 I was out sc3win about like a dog on heat with any hottie I could and not sat on a PC. Sadly when you hit my age the closest we get to a hottie is a bottle to keep your toes warm at night.

BTW thanks to the many people for emails of support but please send your feelings to the admins as I can only voice my opinion and not change things just like you.

Anyhow sincecure that is all I have to say and I know how busy you are and how much you guys like trick or treating so I wont keep you any longer.

Happy Halloween Bud and remember dont eat too much of that candy, it can rot your milk teeth.

Ta

HM

[Reeve of Shinra]

MODS / ADMINS - sorry for what I am about to do...



Originally posted by HairyMonster
[B]

1. I would not entrust my details to be viewed by someone who is half the age of my children.


a) Its not about age, its about Maturity and responsibility. If your children are twice the ages of the selected admins and they are not equipped to deal with life in a mature and reasonable fashion then I feel sorry for that for poor parents they had.

b) No I am not a 16 year old. I am an adult, living on my own and working full time for a fortune 500 company. I would take some of these 15 and 16 year olds over the majority of people I have met in my career. WHY? Because I know they have what it takes to get the job done without my having to supivise them 24/7

c) You still dont grasp the fact that the information entered (you liscence, ect) are only viewable by the VB.COM administration.

d) You cant be that paranoid about them viewing what your public email address is ... thats given to every site requiring registration.




2. These guys cant legaly order a pint or drive a car and Jelsoft expect me to recognise them as Admin ?


And people who can order a pint, drive their car anyway killing thousands of folks each year. Why cant those supposed adults act as maturely and responsible as the people chosen to administer VB.com?




3. OK it has been cleared up that the info is stored on the .com server but I would like to know what info is sent to the .org server and how it is transmited (ssl or not) as this poses a security risk.


Dude, dont post there. Just dont.




4. I paid for my support and as such I expect to be able to gain access to it without having to join umpteen sites and enter my members details on each of them.


You paid for support and as long as your board remains unmodified, this site will continue supporting your needs. The fact that you are too dense to realize you voided your warrents is amazing.




You have to enter your details to download vbull so why can the support forums not be in this area with a seperate section for non registered and potential buyers to post in ?


They decided to go a different route, which will offer more flexability and growth. Nuff said.



Or access to the hacks forums being given to those who have entered thier details or assosiated members names into thier profiles ?


Because there are still people like you who dont grasp that the hacks are not officially supported as its not code developed by the VB team.



This would in effect stamp out the problem.

I am not against change if it is done properly.


The only problem is you.

[c-prompt]

Hairy> The vb.org site has no access to your license info, etc. Its all stored on this server. The only info sent to vb.org is the usernames you supply in the members area here. And this is how they know if you are licensed. So they really dont have any information of importance.

Hope that answers your question.

[Chen]

Originally posted by HairyMonster
3. OK it has been cleared up that the info is stored on the .com server but I would like to know what info is sent to the .org server and how it is transmited (ssl or not) as this poses a security risk.
For some reason I find the above paragraph amusing to say the least.

Anyway, if that's what bothers you so much, I guess the least I can do is tell you how it's done.
When you go to this (http://www.vbulletin.com/members/vbulletin.org.php) page, enter your username and submit, the scripts accesses vBulletin.org's MySQL database, and changes that user's usergroup from Regular member, to Licensed member.
From that point on, the only checking that's done on vBulletin.org is simply checking the usergroup.
To make it even clearer, in no point whatsoever vBulletin.org contacts / accesses data that is on vBulletin.com.

Now will you be able to sleep at night?

[Hooper]

I'm getting tired of getting these 3's posts in my email box. I would rather not have to unsubscribe to this thread, but I'm finding this rather annoying. I think maybe you should wait until you have three or four hundred posts before you start complaining. You three have posted enough on this subject. Leave it alone. My mail box is getting full.

[HairyMonster]

Reeve first off did any one say drink and drive ?

Read the fkin posts m8.

Secondly I dont think it is just me on my own that has a problem

Thirdly I dont ask for support on this forum for any of that hacks I have added to my site, please feel free to search.

Fourthly Dude, dont post there. Just dont. I will post where the hell I want now shut the hell up.

Fifthly Because there are still people like you who dont grasp that the hacks are not officially supported as its not code developed by the VB team. So what is the official vbull.org site for then, oh you know the one that is for support for hacks ?

BTW hell is substituted for **** but that is banned on here aint it ?

All I can see of vbull now is a board that has degenerated into being ran by school kids and has little or NO regard for its members.

Sad

HM

[HairyMonster]

Hooper unsubscibe to the post then ?

Simple eh ? and to think you have all those posts to your name and never thought of that :)

HM

[Hooper]

Unsubscribed..........

[HairyMonster]

Kewl

Glad to help :)

HM

[jrwap]

This has gotten way out of hand now. They had a few problems in the begining, but it looks like they are all cleared up now. How about giving this new plan a chance? Not even 24 hours has passed yet.

Please, give it a rest.

-JRW

[HairyMonster]

Your right I thought this was a disscusion forum but clearly it is not, I have said my peice and feel offended that members are treated in this way.

It does not matter how many posts I have as I paid for the software like a good boy and desearve to be allowed to voice my opinion and concerns.

/me shuts the hell up as he aint entitled to an opinion here obviously.

HM

[Fusion]

Yep, I'm certainly willing to do that. I had some issues, which both John and Firefly did their bit to clear up, to some extent. I don't fully agree with the path vBulletin has chosen for its hacks etc., but there's no need for the childish antics we're currently seeing.

[Bald Bouncer]

Well I for one have the greatest respect for HairyMonster and all he has created over the years bringing help to 1000's of people and never running adds of the like just keeping everything free and passing on knowledge.
I agree with a lot of what he has said and I think before shooting the messenger you should perhaps read through a lot of the concerns and thoughts that he and many other VB licence holders like myself have.

[Fusion]

Don't get me wrong, I share alot of the same concerns (Did you just read his posts?) but there's a way then there's a way. Language and in-part personal attacks might not be the most productive solution.

[etones]

I think its a simple idea all.

Many members, especially the new ones see a huge hacks section, when they cannot get anything to work, the first line of fire is the mods + management team. They waste too much time taking problems that they are officially not meant to give a rats ass about.

These hacks forums have been moved to a seperate location, away from the main .com site. The new line of fire becomes the new mods who are there to deal with the relevant hack problems (the enrolled for the task, let em suffer :D), pressure is releaved from the main dev team and a message is sent across to all, 'Jelsoft DO NOT Officially Support Hacks'

If you have a problem with this, don't use the new forum. I highly doubt that John would allow moderators (barring maybe the dev team) to view your information. Dont worry about it, if a problem occurs this isn't infopop, you can actually email people and get issues sorted. If you DO INFACT run a forum, you will know only Admins can see personal information, mods get to se... jack!

No need to kickup a stink m8, let it drop man.

[s.molinari]

I'd just like to say, everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter what it represents. Pro or Contra, there will always be differences between people to some extent. What we need to do is stop expending energy on a conversation which is helping no one and get on with Jelsoft's decision. They made it, we need to just live or not live with it. I propose that we start pointing out problems and inconsistancies with vB.org when we find them and do it with constructive critism. That way they can start working on making vB.org a place that everyone can enjoy.:)

Scott

[Fusion]

Originally posted by etones
I think its a simple idea all.

Many members, especially the new ones see a huge hacks section, when they cannot get anything to work, the first line of fire is the mods + management team. They waste too much time taking problems that they are officially not meant to give a rats ass about.

I know, it's way too late to make suggestions, but this particular problem is really easy to deal with. Simply hide the hacks-forum altogether to new users, eg, only make it viewable to Seniors or people that has been regged and active for 6 months or so. You get my drift.

Yes, they'll ask anyway, but just say (or put in the faq) that the board is hackable, and simply leave it at that. It doesn't get any more basic than that.

Maybe you can keep this post for when, if ever, you decide to re-consider this setup. Or throw it away, whatever's your fancy.

[JamesUS]

Come on guys, lighten up.

Just to say this post does not necessarily represent the views of Jelsoft or vBulletin, I am speaking as a member of the community here and not a moderator.


Chen, Lyle and other members of this community have worked extremely hard over the last few weeks to help you to make your board even better by creating a dedicated area for hacking. Yes that's right, it was done for YOU. They're not paid for this - they have spent a great deal of their time setting up vBulletin.org for all of the community here and I for one feel that deserves applaud, not ungratefulness and nasty remarks.

As for the ageist comments, they're just plain unfair. Don't judge a book by it's cover. You don't know how old people are here, and just because you happen to know how old Chen is, that doesn't mean you can have a go at him. Chen should be very proud that he can do all that he is doing at such an early age - you can't argue the fact that it's a fantastic 'stepping stone' into life.


If you don't like vBulletin.org, then don't visit. That also means you can't get help with hacking your board - but again that's your choice. Registering and setting up your licensed status at another board (that takes all of 2 minutes...I just did it!) is a perfectly fair compromise for the wealth of information that is available there, and the support and room to grow that a dedicated hacking community will allow.

As etones rightly pointed out, hacks are unsupported. We had them here on the main 'support' forums because we wanted to help out where we could, but people were too easily blaming us for hacks that had broken their forums. Moving them allows the staff members who want to help with hacks to help there, and those who don't want to get involved can stay here. The same goes for members. If you want to be involved with the hacking community, then visit vBulletin.org. Otherwise, post here.

As for the privacy issues that keep coming up again and again. Previously, all we (staff - ie moderators and developers) had access to was your customer number and your email address as set up in your profile here on the boards - that's about it. Now, no-one has access to the customer number/password/license number at all - not even developers. Only John and James can see all your details (obviously not your passwords). The same goes for vB.org - no-one there can see any of your info. It is not stored...all that is stored is a simple yes or no...is this user licensed? On both boards, the ONLY thing that is stored in the forums databases is whether you are licensed or not. No other details to do with your license.

I'm going to end this post here, because it's way too long already, but I'd just like to say, respect people for what they do - with all the effort that has been put into vBulletin.org over the last few days and weeks, from all the team, not just Chen & Lyle, it deserves nothing less.

[JamesUS]

Originally posted by Fusion


I know, it's way too late to make suggestions, but this particular problem is really easy to deal with. Simply hide the hacks-forum altogether to new users, eg, only make it viewable to Seniors or people that has been regged and active for 6 months or so. You get my drift.

Yes, they'll ask anyway, but just say (or put in the faq) that the board is hackable, and simply leave it at that. It doesn't get any more basic than that.

Maybe you can keep this post for when, if ever, you decide to re-consider this setup. Or throw it away, whatever's your fancy.

The only problem with that, is that it excludes people from the hacking community.

One of the reasons that I purchased vB, back last year when 1.1.2 was the latest version, was the wonderful hacking community that were so eager to help me make my board perfect for me. Back then, vB was missing a lot of the features it has now, and the hacking community that I could see gave me the assurance that I would be able to give the board all the extra features I wanted - I knew no PHP code myself back then. It was mainly the hacking community here that inspired me to learn it.

I thikn the hacking community is one of the greatest assets of vBulletin, something that most other packages can only aspire to have, and we shouldn't be hiding it from anyone.

[etones]

Although hacking is not supported, its an integral part of vB and a major reason why people buy into it, you cant hide something like that, its like trying to sell a car without allowing a testdrive :)

[nuno]

arghh
where's my mail??
still awaiting activation :confused:

[John]

Nuno,

I'm not sure where your email got to, so I activated you anyway.

John

[nuno]

hi John :)
not at vbulletin.com
why am i still awaiting for email confirmation at vbulletin.org??:mad:
email was never sent :confused:
TIA

[JamesUS]

Originally posted by nuno
hi John :)
not at vbulletin.com
why am i still awaiting for email confirmation at vbulletin.org??:mad:
email was never sent :confused:
TIA

He did activate you on vB.org :)

[Chen]

James, thanks! :)


Originally posted by etones
Although hacking is not supported, its an integral part of vB and a major reason why people buy into it, you cant hide something like that, its like trying to sell a car without allowing a testdrive :)
But we're not trying to hide it - we're trying to do the exact opposite!
What do you think is better, having 3 hacking forums on a site among 20 other forums, or having a complete set of forums, alll dedicated to hacking, on a site that everything on it is vBulletin hacking?

nuno, you are activated already. :)

[Fusion]

Firefly, I believe that was aimed at me.


Originally posted by JamesUS
The only problem with that, is that it excludes people from the hacking community.

Yes, you're right, and I agree with your reasoning, but since part of the reasoning behind the split seems to be aimed at sparing "those not interested in supporting hacks the nagging that goes with it", it can also be argued that by splitting it off, you're also depriving the hacker-wannabes of input from the Best&the Brightest (eg, John and James&co).

Furthermore, I know from experience that people may simply not accept the division of the two just like that. I'm willing to bet that you'll get the same amount of nagging from people from vB.org _here_ as you did before, aimed largely at the same peoiple, no matter if the recipients frequent vB.org or not. People tend to want to take their problems to the people they feel is best equipped to sort them out, that's just a part of the human behaviour.

All in all, you might've made yourselves more of a mess by having to go over to vB.org to check up on what people's griefs are, when they post here. If you tell them to go there, and keep it there, you'll come across as rude and unhelpful.

[nuno]

thanks James ;)
thanks FireFly ;)

[nuno]

i cant post at vbulletin.org
"You are not logged in or you do not have permission to access this page."
:confused: :mad: :confused:

[c-prompt]

Originally posted by Fusion
you're also depriving the hacker-wannabes of input from the Best&the Brightest (eg, John and James&co).


The same mods that mod and help here, are mods there as well. And John and James post there too.

[Bitmap]

Originally posted by John
I've fixed the database now - there were a few corruptions issues from when the database went down when we had a few problems. You should be able to confirm your email addresses (check your email!) and then continue as usual.

ok. one last time.
i am waiting now for 2 days to get the promised email, but i never received it :( ...
my emailadress does work, because i am getting all the other emails telling me that someone has replied here.

i think the idea of vbulletin.org is great, but not if i can't post or download ... even if i actually have a lisence.

help is welcome

[Chen]

Bitmap, I activated your account. :)

[Bitmap]

thank you sooooo much :D :)

[Bitmap]

well ... now i can access the controlpannel but i can't post and download?! :confused:

[Chen]

That's because you need to go here (http://www.vbulletin.com/members/vbulletin.org.php) and do what the page says. :)

[Bitmap]

i already did ... two days ago :) ... it still doesn't work :(

[Chen]

You need to do it after your account is activated.

[Bitmap]

doh ... now i feel kind of stupid :D ...
well, it works now :) THANKS

[Fusion]

Originally posted by c-prompt


The same mods that mod and help here, are mods there as well. And John and James post there too.

I never said they didn't, if you re-read what I did say, you'll see it was an example.

[LuBi]

Looks great but I think there should still be a home for hacks on this site, now we all have to hit up two sites... great idea but it's nice to be there no depend only on it.. :D still great site ;)

[Mike Gaidin]

I like the site, but I can't do anything. I've done everything I've been told to do but I still can't do anything. I never received the email I was supposed to receive either. When I tried to register again it won't let me saying I'm already registered. :(

[mSoul01]

Originally posted by FireFly
That's because you need to go here (http://www.vbulletin.com/members/vbulletin.org.php) and do what the page says. :)

Newbie here.. gotta say, my nick is listed at the above mentioned page, registered on 10/30/01, after I received the email, can access the board, it shows me logged on, but yet when I try to dl, still says I don't have rights..

Anyone else have a suggestion?

Thanks.

[tril0Byte]

I registered, but can't activate my acoount - would someone do the honours ;)

username = tril0Byte

Tnx :)

[Fred]

The forum is messed for me.

I join with 'Fred' as the username. Says its in use, but I know it isn't. I went to the members list, and there is no Fred.

Told me to user the username with the password I used on vbulletin.com. Where do I put it ??

[tubedogg]

You have to use the same username, password, and email address as you do here when registering.

[Chen]

You only need to use the same e-mail address, we do not check for password!

J-OST, tril0Byte, I activated your accounts. :)

[Catka]

I registered for vbulletin.org, my license info is in my profile and I followed the link in the email YET I still can't view attachments. I am told over and over again I'm not authorized but it does show me as logged in as Catka.

[Shaman]

Same here, I can't post either.

Need to know if my USENET hack will work. :)

[centris]

Originally posted by Catka
I registered for vbulletin.org, my license info is in my profile and I followed the link in the email YET I still can't view attachments. I am told over and over again I'm not authorized but it does show me as logged in as Catka.


Same here, used my user name and e-mail address, also tried several others but can't get in our read replies to posts I am subscribed to. Anyone help?

[fastforward]

Originally posted by Shaman
Need to know if my USENET hack will work. :)
It should do. The usenet hack doesn't really do any major code changes to the vB stuff. There may be a few changes that make it a bit more difficult to follow the instructions for code changes though. It will be a week or two before I get time to test and upgrade it properly.

[Mike Gaidin]

Thanks FireFly! :D

[Bald Bouncer]

Bald Bouncer:

The site is subsidised and hosted by us, so you will not see any adverts appearing there.

Front page of the site NOW


Melonn.com Released!
If you are into finding the best and most quality wallpapers, in which you probably are, check out the newest site, Melonn.com. I started up this site with my best friend melonn just over a month ago. From there its quickly been growing as we have added more and more features. On Novemer 1st we launched. So if you have a wallpaper you made just sitting on the hard drive, go on and submit it! Check out melonn.com

That lasted a bloody long time didn't it? Is this now a place for the new mods to promote sites.
A ADD IS A ADD IS A ADD FFS I hate the bloody things :(

[HairyMonster]

Well I wasnt going to say it but since someone else did then

I told ya so

HM

BTW I joined as suggested but to be honest I find it to have no atmosphere and a classic example of "pretty graphics dont make a site."

Oh well looks like the good old days are over.

Time to invest in UBB I think.

HM

[Reeve of Shinra]

The world is so fast that there are days when the person who says it can't be done is interrupted by the person who is doing it.


HM,

To say this nicely, you are (a/an):

[ ] Impersonator
[x] Whiner
[ ] Newbie
[x] Complainer
[x] Flame war starter
[x] Idiot
[x] Pathetic little cheaper/hacker
[ ] Nerd
[ ] Racist bigot
[x] Bragger
[x] Person without a soul
[ ] Flamer without an Auto-Flamer™
[ ] Spammer
[x] Lamer
[ ] Masher
[ ] Clueless
[x] Think-You-Know-It-All
[ ] "Me Too!" person
[ ] "Send Me This!" person
[ ] Just plain pervert
[ ] Very low on the food chain
[ ] Person who hasn't seen the sun
[ ] Turk wannabe
[ ] Hardcore homosexual bondage practicer
[ ] An alterboy
[ ] Other:

You Are Being Flamed Because:
[x] You tried to start a flame war
[ ] You posted a site that is not related
[ ] You posted something not related
[ ] You answered your own post
[x] You added NOTHING to the current thread
[x] You whined about your account
[ ] You posted an incomprihendable post
[ ] You tried to sound like you come from the ghetto
[x] You use AOL
[ ] You posted something totally uninteresting
[ ] You dared insult our Auto-Flamer™
[ ] You posted a post consisting of nothing but CAPS
[ ] My Pagan God told me to do it
[x] Your nickname is bad or named after a chemical
[ ] You posted anything related to making money fast
[ ] You insulted the Turks fine work
[ ] What you posted was racist
[ ] What you posted would make a porn star blush
[ ] You don't know what spelling or "punctuation" is
[ ] You tried to spread religion
[ ] You tried to hit on a girl/guy poster
[ ] You made a "____ rules!" post
[ ] You sound like a little horny kid
[ ] You masterbate more than a normal human should
[ ] You post the SAME thread again
[ ] You could had used e-mail
[x] Frankly, I don't like you
[x] You gave us some crappy advice
[ ] You have no idea what this forum is for
[x] You failed to call me "Master"
[ ] You have insulted me, and the Auto-Flamer™ will see you right!
[ ] You're pathetic - that's a good enough reason
[x] Other: You sound like a broken record

To Repent, You Must:
[x] Back over your modem with a truck
[ ] Hurl your hard drive into a pool
[ ] Hang yourself with your mouse
[ ] Light a candle and swallow it
[ ] Become Michael Jackson's love slave
[ ] Do the nasty with George Michaels
[ ] Stuff your monitor full of C-4 and blow it up
[ ] Sell your soul
[ ] Drop your current host and get AOL
[x] Go outside and see the sun for a change
[ ] Play with fire
[x] Post something interesting
[ ] Watch nothing but Titanic for a week
[ ] Listen to nothing but Kenny G for a week
[ ] Learn the English language
[ ] Stick your finger into a light socket
[ ] Quit smoking crack
[ ] Blade yourself and rub salt into the wound
[ ] Become familiar with the term "punctuation"
[ ] Rip off the CAPS LOCK from your keyboard
[x] Get a life that's NOT internet related
[ ] Use Yahoo! chat
[ ] Get beaten by several angry bouncers
[ ] Get beaten with fridges
[ ] Go bungee jumping with a cordless bungee cord
[x] Look at this ugly chick -- http://www.shinraonline.com/misc
[ ] Never use the CAPS LOCK again
[ ] All Of The above
[ ] Other:

In Closing, I'd Like to Say:
[ ] You sleep with your dog
[ ] You obviously never got past grade school.
[ ] Learn how to use "punctuation", will ya?
[x] Shut the hell up!
[ ] Your IQ has to be 7 or 8.
[ ] Find the right forum to post in!
[x] Learn how to have a life!
[x] Quit your whining/complaining!
[x] I feel sorry for your family.
[ ] Does your mama know you're here?
[ ] There's a little thing called "grammar". . . try using it.
[ ] Please kick a biker gang's motorcycles over.
[x] Go watch a movie starring Jean-Claude Van Damme.
[ ] Try to lick some high voltage equipment.
[ ] Kiss my grits!
[ ] You must like getting hit by the Auto-Flamer™ huh?
[ ] Two words - Bite Me!
[ ] Here's a quarter. Go get some laid. Seriously.
[ ] Haven't you learned your lesson yet?
[ ] Stop posting crap!
[ ] I see they based Forrest Gump on you.
[ ] Didn't I see you on Jerry Springer?
[ ] Hey wait… you ARE a horny little kid!
[ ] The Shinra Turks have claimed your thread.
[ ] All of the above
[ ] Other:

*Auto-Flamer™ music plays*
"To Protect The Forum From Devastation"
"To Unite All Posters With Our Nation"
"To Denounce The Evils Of Cheaps And Lies"
"To Extend Our Reach To All Who Will Die"
"The Tom Black”
"Auto-Flamer™. . ."
"Team Auto-Flamer™ Blasts Off At The Speed of Light"
"Post Something Interesting Now, Or Prepare To Fight!"

This little bit of comic relief was brought to you by the letters Q & R, the number 3 and yours truely Reeve of the Turks.

[Reeve of Shinra]

BTW: this was only for the amusement purposes of whoevers been reading 13+ pages on this subject. Dont have a coniption (sp?) fit.

[HairyMonster]

hmmm Dont use AOL and yes maybe to the rest lol but then I find this funny coming from some one calling him self "Reeve of Shinra".

[x] Bragger < Well have you seen the size of this thing I aint a HairyMonster for nothing ffs.

[x] Person without a soul < Damn True

[x] Pathetic little cheaper/hacker < lololol thats funny dude

All the rest I dont contest :) now go back to you silly pics of tekken.

Am I not entitled to an opinion ?

HM

PS which one are you ? The fat ugly guy behined the counter or the old woman ?

[HairyMonster]

BTW: this was only for the amusement purposes of whoevers been reading 13+ pages on this subject. Dont have a constipation fit.

Sorry reeve time for bed m8.

HM

[tril0Byte]

Originally posted by FireFly
You only need to use the same e-mail address, we do not check for password!

J-OST, tril0Byte, I activated your accounts. :)

Thanks man, I didn't realise you needed to use the same email addy. I just set up my domain and a new domain email so used that instead of the one I used here. Thanks again Firefly :)

EDIT:

I don't know whats gone wrong there FireFly, but i still cant dl the hack I was interested in. Permission denied etc...

Looks like the screen you get when awaiting activation. AFAIK, I've updated my registration info - so it can't be that blocking me.

But I did register using a different email. However, I do not have permission to access my CP in order to change my email addy, to the one I use here :(((


Help? :)

[Mike Gaidin]

FireFly,

I can do most things on the site now, but I can't download or open any attachments. :(

[centris]

I have been trying to get in most of the day, what's up. My forum has hacks missing due to the upgrade and the code has changed in one of the php files, now I can't even read or reply to my e-mail notifications. This really suxs, why the hell did'nt you just leave things as they were and create a new user group and provide access that way. The new site is pretty, but I don't need pretty right now I need answers.

[LuBi]

Originally posted by centris
I have been trying to get in most of the day, what's up. My forum has hacks missing due to the upgrade and the code has changed in one of the php files, now I can't even read or reply to my e-mail notifications. This really suxs, why the hell did'nt you just leave things as they were and create a new user group and provide access that way. The new site is pretty, but I don't need pretty right now I need answers.

I feel ya bro, I think they need to bring back the old section and let both sites exist, having a seperate site for hacks is annoying confusing and unessecary. Besides looking great and all it's just not really needed what we had was fine, and I mean if they wanna have another site, great bring it.. but if it aint broke don't fix it.. ;)

[tril0Byte]

Well, I appreciate the effort the guys have gone to, to centralise the hacks. I'm a new customer, and was attracted to the software because of its flexibility. The problem is, this is not much of an advert for the product. Over 24 hours now and I still cant DL the hack I was interested in, even though FireFly has attempted to manually activate my account.

I'm still learning how to use and customise vBulletin, but if the old pro's have this much hassle....?

Just a question - why is the hacks site protected so heavily? I understand the importance for protecting vB itself, but why the hacks? I'm not critisising vB, I think it's an outstanding product, but why make it so hard to access the hacks? Like centris says, why not just create a new user group?

I'm new(ish) to vB, but am a competant amature. I designed and run The Genome Collective (http://www.thegenomecollective.com) (which you may notice, uses the same typeface for the logo as vB.org - just wanted to point out I got there first :D :D :D ). Although I'm no expert, I can find my way around html, I run CGI scripts as SSI's etc, but I can't log in to vB.org ;)

regards,
tril :)

[centris]

Hey! tril0Byte

That sure is one neat site you got there, well done looks really cool.

err, Where can I get my hands on that typeface LOL

[tril0Byte]

Thanks man, I may just post it (typeface) everywhere if I can't get my vb.org login sorted ;) :D :D - so nah, nah, na na nahhh!



Just kidding, but honestly, the board will let me login, but I can't dl hacks, cant post, cant change my userCP, can't email an admin/mod, can't pm etc... DUH!, getting a little frustrated now :(

[Catka]

Did every thing I was suppose to do to get into the new forums but even though it shows me as logged in I can't view attachments or even post that I can't which puts me right back to these forum, and if the mods in these forums aren't helping with those forums... not a very fun circle to be in.

[Mike Gaidin]

It's getting frustrating. :(

[Palmer ofShinra]

Originally posted by HairyMonster
1. I would not entrust my details to be viewed by someone who is half the age of my children.Then you have a severe case of ageism, and are unwilling to accept the fact that people can be skilled and reliable at things even if they are young.
If 15 years old is half the age of your kids... that makes them 30, and a conservative estimate puts your age in the 50-60 range.

Tell me this... who many 50 year old IT experts do you know? How many 30 year old experts?
Anyone who's 30+ and IT probably still knows (and codes in) COBOL or FORTRAN.

The WWW is pretty young, when speaking of the computing mainstream, and PHP is barely an infant.

Having 30 years of age behind you is no proof you would be better suited to code PHP than a 15 year old. End discussion.

If you're unwilling to recognize that ANYONE can be competent in their field, regardless of petty differences like age, then that makes you nothing more than a bigot, same as a racist.

You see one thing about a person, something that is biological and fixed, and make sweeping, negative value judgements on them based on that very fact.
Racists do the exact same thing, but use a different fixed biological feature for their justification.

When I was 15 I did a standard English skills assessment.
My English skills were equivilent to a BA in English.
Yet I know illiterate 30 year olds.

If you must be as petty as to discriminate against someone based merely on their age without considering any of their actual qualifications, I have one piece of advice for you.

Grow up.


2. These guys cant legaly order a pint or drive a car and Jelsoft expect me to recognise them as Admin ?You don't have to recognize anything, but that doesn't change the fact they are still the admins.
And what, pray tell, does drinking and driving have to do with being a forum administrator?
I don't drink and I can't drive, though I'm of legal age for both. And I'm a damn fine admin.

And, for the record, they may not be allowed to drive a car, but they are allowed to fly an airplane or drive a speedboat.


3. OK it has been cleared up that the info is stored on the .com server but I would like to know what info is sent to the .org server and how it is transmited (ssl or not) as this poses a security risk.Well, my guess is that the the script you use to enter usernames as licensed does the following...
Accepts the usernames.
Opens a remote connection to the vb.org database.
Runs a couple queries, verifying that the usernames exist.
If they do, set a certain field to "Licensed"
If not, remove the name from the locally stored list.
Encryption isn't an issue as nothing but a forum username is being sent.
DISCLAIMER: This is not necessarily how the system works.
This is simply the most obvious way to do it. Occam's Razor.


4. I paid for my support and as such I expect to be able to gain access to it without having to join umpteen sites and enter my members details on each of them.THERE IS NO OFFICIAL SUPPORT FOR HACKS!!!This si in a sticky thread that has been at the top of the hacks forum FOREVER.
If you modify even ONE LINE of code in your VB, you CANNOT AND WILL NOT get official support. Period.
Support is NOT AN ISSUE when it comes to vb.org.
If you use hacks, you lose support.
This hasn't changed.
Any support you get at vb.org is UNOFFICIAL and VOLUNTARY. No one is under any obligation to give you any support for anything if you hack your board.

You don't have to sign up there to get official support... and two sites hardly qualifies as "umpteen".

Quit whining. Deal with it.



You have to enter your details to download vbull so why can the support forums not be in this area with a seperate section for non registered and potential buyers to post in ?

Or access to the hacks forums being given to those who have entered thier details or assosiated members names into thier profiles ?

This would in effect stamp out the problem.

I am not against change if it is done properly.And ow is having a seperate site different from having forums in the member area? That would be running a seperate instance of the forum, and be isolated from the normal forums...

Wait... isn't that what's ALREADY HAPPENED?

A piece of advice for you...
There are a couple of nifty things you can do that will help you with this experience.
They're called "reading" and "thinking".

You have just had your steaming mess of BS pulled apart and run through the blender by Palmer of Shinra.

Enjoy your flame, and be sure to visit Our Site (http://www.shinraonline.com) if you need more in the future.

*bows and leaves*

[Chen]

Bald Bouncer, you are right. I deleted that and it won't happen again.

All of you who added their name to the form and then activated the account, John and I have said this many times before, but I guess no one listens.
You need to use the form A-F-T-E-R you activate the account, not before.
This is what happened to everyone so far who hasn't been able to download attachments and such.
There are no bugs with the current system.

So go the form, remove your name, go back to the form, and add your name again.

[centris]

Ok what about some detailed instructions for this mess. I am totally livid, I have spent Hours on this. Firefly, I can't remember where I saw the Link to the form. It seems that not only do you have to supply your user name and email address but after that you need to go to the form. Is it your user name and e-mail in your profile, or the user name and e-mail provided to jelsoft? Mine are different and I just updated jelsoft and my profile to reflect this.


Ok found the link, but it askes for username and password SHeesh.

[Chen]

The link to the form is right in your User CP, you can't miss it.
What's so hard in registering with the same e-mail, then filling a simple form? I can't get this, almost all of our members already did this with no probelms at all.

1. Register using the same e-mail address that is associated with the username on this forum.
2. Activate the account by following the link you receieved by e-mail.
3. Go to the form and enter your username.

The username and password you need to enter before accessing the form is just your normal license number and password.
It says this in the pop up box.

[centris]

Now where in all these posts is the info you just provided posted? I assumed my username and password were the same as the ones I used here, NOT my customer number and password. Ok registered now.

[Chen]

Originally posted by centris
Now where in all these posts is the info you just provided posted? I assumed my username and password were the same as the ones I used here, NOT my customer number and password. Ok registered now.
You see, wasn't that very easy?
The info I just posted is in the announcement John made and in my annoucement on vBulletin.org.

If everyone who have problems would just read either of these instead of flaming and pissing off, everything would have been fine.
It's really as simple as it can get.

[tril0Byte]

I read this about adding the licence info AFTER registering and I've lost count of how many combinations of attempts I've used. Just to be on the safe side, I deleted my name last night, went to bed, got up, just re - entered it and bingo - no change. Cant post, dl, pm, mail etc....

:mad:

I don't think the email I used matches the one here. FireFly can you just delete my vB.org details completely from the forum and I'll start over - thanks.

[jucs]

The site is ONE BIG eye strain. Way too compressed. The colors hard to read with little contrast. The old forum here was 10 times easier to read.

It may be a separate site, but it's taken a backwards step given the layout, colors, etc.

[Chen]

Originally posted by jucs
The site is ONE BIG eye strain. Way too compressed. The colors hard to read with little contrast. The old forum here was 10 times easier to read.

It may be a separate site, but it's taken a backwards step given the layout, colors, etc.
Then you can use the default purple style that is used on this forum.

tril0Byte, you still haven't activated your account through e-mail. If you activate it the form will work.
And I didn't say add "the licence info AFTER registering", I said add it after activating the account. And I said that about 100 times.
I e-mailed you the activation e-mail again, this time do what it says.

[Nmare]

Am I supposed to be seeing a new style, cause i still see the same one from before, if there is a new one.

[Chen]

You can select the style from the User CP when you register, if you go to Options.

[amykhar]

Most of your experienced users used to come here every day to check out the hacks or socialize with their fellow vbulletin owners.

Now, with all the hacks over at http://www.vbulletin.org the experienced users might not be here as much. This might impact some of the support that is given to new users.

I might be totally off base here ;) Maybe I'm the only nut who used to randomly anwer questions here when I was goofing off at work. :D

Amy

[Fusion]

Actually, Amy, that is, in my miniscule opinion, a very critical point, one which I touched on in an earlier post. The "power-base" is bound to get split up, and that is unfortunate.

[ozone2000]

im having some trouble registering, it tells me that my nick is already registere(ozone2000) and i should try logging on with my info from vbulletin.com/forum/... but then it tells me that the info is invalid... how come?

I solved it, seem'd that i didnt use the email i was using here

[Chen]

Oh ok. :)

[FWC]

Originally posted by Fusion
Actually, Amy, that is, in my miniscule opinion, a very critical point, one which I touched on in an earlier post. The "power-base" is bound to get split up, and that is unfortunate. I don't see this as inevitable. I see the same old folks hanging out in both places. I just don't see what the big problem is with having two url's instead of one.

[tril0Byte]

Originally posted by FireFly



tril0Byte, you still haven't activated your account through e-mail. If you activate it the form will work.
And I didn't say add "the licence info AFTER registering", I said add it after activating the account. And I said that about 100 times.


FireFly, I understand your exasperation, but the stystem has zero tolerance for user errors. I know, because I made one. I screwed up my email addy. I used the wrong one. Then you partially activated my account. For a brief moment, I had acces to the user CP. I tried to change the email to the one I use here (for my vB licence) thinking that might solve the issue - but made a mistake - that was the one and only time I could get into my user CP. I couldn't get back in to rectify the mistake, so the email that resides on the vB.org forums is erroneous - it doesn't exist. So I didn't get the activation email you sent. I made a registration mistake and I'm screwed. I can't acces the forums, I cant activate the account, I cant register.

I gues this vB user doesn't get to play with the hacks.

EDIT:
Forget it... I re-registered with a different user name. My punishment for making an error I guess.

[shadowbreed]

as far as i know i did enter the right email address i just never received my activation email, is there any way to have it resend?

[Fusion]

Originally posted by FWC
I don't see this as inevitable. I see the same old folks hanging out in both places. I just don't see what the big problem is with having two url's instead of one.

Heh.. Give it time, you will.

[HairyMonster]

Just face it guys no one wants to use the .org site as:

A: there was no need for it we had all we needed here.

B: No one can post there even after following the instructions given.

C: TBH it sux

Re instate the hacks forum on here and do it soon before you end up pissing any more of your once happy customers off.

BB I said that it would not be long before sinecure used it as a personal advertisement site and low and behold I was proved to be right - thanks for removing his ad firefly I take back any remarks I made about your age as you have proven to me that you have what it takes to make a decision. I commend you for taking the action.

Oh and you shineera guys realy oughta get off your computers more and go out and smell some air, I aint gonna start a slanging match with you guys but you would be WISE to not get in my way. So we will leave it at that ok.

I am willing to give this all a chance but I feel that the way it was all done was disrespectful of all those who had ploughed info into the hacks forum and were left hanging on the sides or be forced to another site to visit the community they loved.

I am however concerned that there is already a discussion over there over whether or not they should have a paid hacks forum ?

My answer is "NO LIKE HELL THEY SHOULD" keep it free like it should be, you pay for the software and not for some guy to produce hacks for it. What happened to doing stuff for the good of the community and for showing people just what you can do.

I notice the main people who are for it are those who are making money out of selling hacks or graphics. NOONE asks them to develop the hacks and they chose to of their own free will and as a result they have not had to slave away developing it for days like they claim as they didnt have to no one wanted them too and if they did well its there own choice, they should not expect to be paid for it.

You are trying to make out it is just me who does not like this, well you are wrong read the posts there are many many more like me but are not as open voiced about it.

I feel that you guys need to address this soon as .org have not got it right at all. Graphics do not make the soul of a website or forum.

My forum aint flashy http://forums.modshack.co.uk but they are reliable and used. Sometimes too much.

Please reconsider

HM

Oh and by the way for reeve and his shineera guys I said he is not old enough to drive OR buy a pint.

Notice the OR guys this puts the two acts in seperate context and not as a joint act, I expected someone with your english skills would of realised this.

No where did I say he should drink or drive! now go back and read my posts properly as it is obvious you glossed over them and jumped into action with your lame atempt to dis me.

However I do humbley retract any remarks I made about his age as he has proven to me that he can make a decision on his own back and has leadership qualities.

I OPENLY ADMIT I WAS WRONG TO JUDGE HIM.

[tubedogg]

If you don't want to pay for them, then don't buy them. You make it sound as though someone's holding a gun to your head to buy them. Only use the free ones. No one cares one way or the other.

Just in general, keep the personal attacks out of this thread. Discuss it civilly without resorting to name-calling, please.

[amykhar]

Originally posted by FWC
I don't see this as inevitable. I see the same old folks hanging out in both places. I just don't see what the big problem is with having two url's instead of one.

I can only speak from personal habits. I used to hang out at Infopop.com a lot when the hacks were there. When the hacks were moved to ubbdev, I only went to the main support site when a new version was coming out.

It does help to keep the templates and graphics forums here. Advanced users don't come here to learn how to make a forum private or how to prune messages. They come for customization and community building tips.

Amy

[centris]

I am unsure about the new site, or the need for it. One of John’s reasons was that this would allow the hacks site to develop and mature. I believe that this is the one area of concern to me. In fact it is beginning to look like vbportal MarkII, in the early stages. I say this because I live in the UK, do not have a credit card and have no access to pay pal that I know of, and this confuses me, under the GNU license it will be free when finished, so you pay or contribute for the beta's but get the finished article free? or do I have this all wrong? As stated in another thread, discussions have already been read about ‘paid’ hacks, what next? A premium member’s area? There seems to be a growing number of people pushing towards making money from hacks, this in itself is not wrong but raises a load of legal questions. As Jelsoft do not support hacks to the programme it will simply be a matter of saying (well we are not involved) sorry. There was no reason why a new forum on this site could not have been established with access restricted to paid licence holders only. So the question folks should be asking is this, what was the real reason? I believe we are in a whole new area here, how do you compensate an individual for his/her work without the legal issues creeping in and, how do you guard against those whose main aim is to make a quick buck and cause dissent among the ranks.

[HairyMonster]

Just in general, keep the personal attacks out of this thread. Discuss it civilly without resorting to name-calling, please.

So its OK for reeve to post up a flame about me but when I retaliate it is wrong ? Is this double standards I see.

With regards to the sale of hacks then if every one was to do the same then there would be no bloody hacks bored now would they it would be a hacks for sale board.

Tube I respect your work but then you do what you do for the love of it and not for financial gain.

Is this the way that this forum is going Pay 2 Hack then its getting all a bit sad aint it.

HM

[HairyMonster]

Ermmm also were those people who submitted hacks to this site consulted about moving those hacks (Personal Property) to another site without notice ?

Were they asked if they minded or if they had any objections ?

Were they asked if they wanted to have thier free hacks distributed on a site that has paid hacks ?

Did they get asked if they only intended the hacks to go to registered Jelsoft customers ?

Since Jelsoft offers no support for hacks then why go to all the trouble to provide another server/site for them to be located on ?

Why is the vb.org site the "official" hacks site for Jelsoft when they quite clearly and on many times state they do not "officialy" support hacks, sorry but aint this supporting hacks then if it isnt then what is ?

Why is it that anyone here with an opposing view to the staff looked upon by them as a trouble maker ? I voiced my concerns as a paying customer and they have not been taken seriously, nor have those who have also expressed there dislike of being treated like morons.

To me it looks like we are stuck with another forum that the majority does not like or want.

HM

[Bald Bouncer]

If you don't want to pay for them, then don't buy them. You make it sound as though someone's holding a gun to your head to buy them. Only use the free ones. No one cares one way or the other.
I don't really think this was the point he was making I think he is concerned as I am about the sudden Commercialization of the hacks section and I have no problem with people selling their hacks as they are theirs, but do you really need to set up a section on the Community forum for people to do this, if people want to sell hacks then fine let them set up a site and do so, I pay for a product and don't wish to be charged for extras everytime I want them when really a lot of them should have been included in the 2.2 upgrade in my opinion, my forums are totally free with no adds, this is the way I want it and thats why I try to keep costs down.
Whats next pay to subscribe sections?

[JamesUS]

vBulletin.org is here to stay, and that is the joint decision of the vBulletin Staff. We're happy to accept constructive criticism, but not downright rude comments or statements


Bald Bouncer: Hacks are not being commercialised. NOTHING has changed about they way hacks are distributed or run except that they now come from a different location - simple as that. If someone wants to charge for their hack, so be it - we don't care if they charge or not. We've always allowed paid hacks to be distributed here as well, and a couple of people have taken advantage of that.
vBulletin.org is not a commercial site and it never will be.

[mjames]

Well, well, well... I can't even get vBulletin.org to load half the time, so much for me keeping up with what's going on there. I personally liked having the hacking forums here, all in one place. Now, I have two accounts and two sites to keep up with. Just an inconvienence in my mind, but I understand the reasons behind the decision.

[JamesUS]

Originally posted by HairyMonster
Ermmm also were those people who submitted hacks to this site consulted about moving those hacks (Personal Property) to another site without notice ?

Were they asked if they minded or if they had any objections ?

Were they asked if they wanted to have thier free hacks distributed on a site that has paid hacks ?

Did they get asked if they only intended the hacks to go to registered Jelsoft customers ?

Since Jelsoft offers no support for hacks then why go to all the trouble to provide another server/site for them to be located on ?

Why is the vb.org site the "official" hacks site for Jelsoft when they quite clearly and on many times state they do not "officialy" support hacks, sorry but aint this supporting hacks then if it isnt then what is ?

Why is it that anyone here with an opposing view to the staff looked upon by them as a trouble maker ? I voiced my concerns as a paying customer and they have not been taken seriously, nor have those who have also expressed there dislike of being treated like morons.

To me it looks like we are stuck with another forum that the majority does not like or want.

HM

No, the hackers were not consulted. If one of the hackers doesn't want their hacks on vBulletin.org, please send me a private message and I will remove them for you.

As I stated above, people with an opposing view are a great thing to have - but only if they offer constructive criticism, not the blatant flaming and personal attacks that this thread has resorted to.

If they didn't intend the hacks to only go to registered Jelsoft customers, then tough. We are in charge of vBulletin, and that's a decision that we made, and I'm sure most hackers will support this. If they want their hack available to illegal vB users, then they will have to post it somewhere else.

This site has always had paid hacks as well. Nothign has changed in that respect.

We don't offer support for peope who hack their boards, but we know how valuable our hacking community is, so are happy to help it out as much as we can. Hacking is an official function - we just don't officially support people who do it. Making vBulletin.org the official area for hacks was in my eyes a good decision, and nothing that has been said so far has persuaded me otherwise.

[HairyMonster]

vBulletin.org is here to stay, and you're not going to get us to close it down, so don't bother trying. We're happy to accept constructive criticism, but not downright rude comments or statements

Ermmm this is constructive critisism and not damn rite rude comments m8 ?

Have I have even posted up that I like vbull if you were to read the threads. This is not a personal attack on your software is it ?

The software is not the issue it is rather the way we are told what we have to accept. Dont forget m8 we pay your wages and give you your nice houses and cars.

As a customer I am entitled and within my rights to state my point of view.

Well since we have been told that like it or lump it the .org site is there to stay then it goes to show that you are realy in touch with what your customers want doesnt it.

Read this thread and maybe learn something about customer support.

HM

[JamesUS]

C: TBH it sux

Downright rude in my opinion....


If people can offer ideas and suggestions about how to improve the site, then we'd be very pleased to hear them.

There's no point in telling us how bad it it and how 'it sux' if you're not going to tell us why you don't like it and what we could do to improve it.

[HairyMonster]

I was refering to the fact that NO ONE can get access to the hacks in your hacking forum even after follwing out the instructions of the moderators and admins who run it.

When they ask for SUPPORT they are told it is there fault when it is not as you should of made sure that people had access in the first place.

It would of taken all of 5 mins to copy the members info over to .org as you did with the threads but NO you insisited on making it hard by forcing members to rejoin and generaly making a mess of things.

This is why it sux.

If you were reading my threads you would see I have on numerous occasions refered to .org as a pretty site :).

Please read the threads and you will see that deep down no one likes it and they all think it sux that we cant have our forum back.

HM

[JamesUS]

That's not true - the vast majority of users have managed to get access to the hacks.

We could not have copied the users over. No users were copied - it would have risen serious privacy issues if we copied the users.

What is your username at vB.org? I can't find anything in the database for HairyMonster. If you let me know, I'll check on your status there and see if I can get your user sorted out for you.

[RobAC]

Here is my own response to this issue and take it for what it's worth. Those of you that are bitching about having to go to another site, give me a break. Are you truly that lazy that it takes so much effort in your fingertips to type ORG instead of COM??

Yes, having the hacks here on the .COM site was just a tiny bit more convenient, but it's not a big deal...because it only takes me 2 additional seconds to type .ORG instead of .COM

I registered over there and didn't have any problems, nor have I had any connection problems there.

My only piece of constructive criticism is to remove the dark colors. It's visually straining to the eyes, and gives me the feeling that I've stumbled upon a porn site instead of professional site.

For those of you whining about having to go to another site, take a Pamprin and chill out. Jesus....

[JamesUS]

Thanks for the comments Rob.

To address the color issue, take a look at this: http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/?styleid=4

[RobAC]

Aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh.....much better James. Thanksk. :D

[JamesUS]

No problem - I believe a new logo for that style is in the works as well so that you can tell it apart from here better.

[ethank]

Reasons why VBUlletin.org is better:

1) I can track which hacks I've installed, very nice
2) Its a community specifically made of up of hack users and programmers, so I know the audience when posting
3) It is ridiculously easy to register and gain access to the hack forums if you know how to follow directions
4) It is still an official part of vBulletin and Jelsoft, which I much prefer to what would have happened if they didn't do this, which was unofficial vbhacks.com

HairyMonster seems to want to find ANY fault possible with this transition, when in reality its quite harmless and helps the hack communty, which for me was among the largest selling points for this software. Honestly, I have yet to make any sense what your issues are with this site.

The only criticism I have is to make the site look more professional as the default on the homepage.

Ethan

[Chen]

Thanks everyone for their very kind comments as well as the constructive criticism.
I'm glad to see at least some of you appreciate the hard work that was put into the site and are happy with the outcome! :)

Harymonster and Co., (exluding Bald Bouncer) I will address all of your remarks when you start respecting me, Sinecure, and all of the others who work hard on the site.
Until then, your comments, no matter how true they may be, worth nothing for me. Nothing.
(And you can quote on the above.)

So learn how to respect people, no matter how old they are, then come back and sound your remarks.

Re "no one can get access to the hacks", that's not true.
Like James said, most of the users already have access to the site and can do whatever they want to.
So first check before shouting nonsense.
Just because a number of users (and I can count them with my hands) had problems logging in the site, doesn't mean that's like that for everyone.

[HairyMonster]

Ahemmm why are my concerns and those of others not worthy of your attention ?

They are well founded ?

How can I respect some one who says the board will be totaly ad free and then 20 mins later posts an ad up for his m8s site.

Can I get an ad on there too please :) how much do I have to pay ?

HM

The world belongs to the children God help us all - BOOOOOOOM

[Bald Bouncer]

Harymonster and Co., I will address all of your remarks when you start respecting me, Sinecure, and all of the others who work hard on the site.
Until then, your comments, no matter how true they may be, worth nothing for me. Nothing.
(And you can quote on the above.)

So learn how to respect people, no matter how old they are, then come back and sound your remarks
I showed no disrespect to anyone in my posts and consider your remark rather offencive, I raised points of concern and consider using labels such as Harymonster and Co a very unwise thing to do.
You see this done a lot when people are labeled Greenies, Femanists Lefties etc and is usually done so as people tend to disregard anything they have to say considering them trouble makers, This is usually done by Politicians when they don't want voices to be heard.
Please show me if i'm wrong where I showed any disrespect and if you feel you didn't include me in the Harymonster and Co then please make this clear otherwise you are making it look like a them and us discussion and not a open opportunity for people to voice their veiws and concerns.

[HairyMonster]

BB you are fighting a loosing battle m8 as they are only interested in what the butt kissers have to say and not what any one with a working mind and a shred of intelligence have to say on the matter.

For anyone who is considering buying into this product like I did then all I can say is more fool you as you can see that they hold no regard for thier customers whatsoever.

I will be looking for alternatives and will be getting rid of this bloated server resource hungry unreliable software once and for all.

Good ridence.

The above is my own personal opinion of which I am entitled to.

HM - Just like kylie and robbie - doing it for the kids :)

[Pk]

Originally posted by FireFly
Thanks everyone for their very kind comments as well as the constructive criticism.
I'm glad to see at least some of you appreciate the hard work that was put into the site and are happy with the outcome! :)

Harymonster and Co., I will address all of your remarks when you start respecting me, Sinecure, and all of the others who work hard on the site.
Until then, your comments, no matter how true they may be, worth nothing for me. Nothing.
(And you can quote on the above.)

So learn how to respect people, no matter how old they are, then come back and sound your remarks.

Re "no one can get access to the hacks", that's not true.
Like James said, most of the users already have access to the site and can do whatever they want to.
So first check before shouting nonsense.
Just because a number of users (and I can count them with my hands) had problems logging in the site, doesn't mean that's like that for everyone.


This isnt a issue about who we like or not.
Its a issue whats best for the customer.
For the people who actully payed for vbulletin.

[JamesUS]

Originally posted by Pk



This isnt a issue about who we like or not.
Its a issue whats best for the customer.
For the people who actully payed for vbulletin.

And vBulletin.org is best for the customer - it gives the hacking community the room it needs to grow and a dedicated management team to run it.

HairyMonster: I take it you're not interested in my offer of getting your vB.org account sorted out? I very kindly offered, but you don't seem to want to make it work anyway. Let me know if you change your mind.

[Pk]

Originally posted by JamesUS


And vBulletin.org is best for the customer - it gives the hacking community the room it needs to grow and a dedicated management team to run it.

HairyMonster: I take it you're not interested in my offer of getting your vB.org account sorted out? I very kindly offered, but you don't seem to want to make it work anyway. Let me know if you change your mind.


Enlight me, what can .org support that .com cant?
Dont tell me that .org has what it takes for the hack community to grow, tell me more what it can offer that they cant offer here.

A management team to run it?
That team cant be on the .com site?

[Chen]

Originally posted by HairyMonster
Ahemmm why are my concerns and those of others not worthy of your attention ?
...
The world belongs to the children God help us all - BOOOOOOOM
They are not worthy of my attention as I can't respect a thought / concern from someone that doesn't respect me.
Referring to us as 'children' or 'kids' isn't really the best way to show us respect.


Originally posted by HairyMonster
BB you are fighting a loosing battle m8 as they are only interested in what the butt kissers have to say and not what any one with a working mind and a shred of intelligence have to say on the matter.

For anyone who is considering buying into this product like I did then all I can say is more fool you as you can see that they hold no regard for thier customers whatsoever.
...
HM - Just like kylie and robbie - doing it for the kids :)
So now you're insulting more people by naming them 'butt kissers'? Wow, you're really doing well today!

Just because we're doing everything your way doesn't mean we don't listen to our customers.
If you had taken the time to visit the site (not saying you didn't of course) and specifically the feedback forum, you would have seen that I (or Sinecure) replied to all threads personally, and most of the time we also did what they suggested.
Just because things aren't done your way doesn't mean things aren't done at all.
You're not always right, no one is. Remember that.

And like I said, maybe I'll consider taking your remarks and concerns seriously when you start to take us seriously.


Originally posted by Bald Bouncer
I showed no disrespect to anyone in my posts and consider your remark rather offencive, I raised points of concern and consider using labels such as Harymonster and Co a very unwise thing to do.
You see this done a lot when people are labeled Greenies, Femanists Lefties etc and is usually done so as people tend to disregard anything they have to say considering them trouble makers, This is usually done by Politicians when they don't want voices to be heard.
Please show me if i'm wrong where I showed any disrespect and if you feel you didn't include me in the Harymonster and Co then please make this clear otherwise you are making it look like a them and us discussion and not a open opportunity for people to voice their veiws and concerns.
Bald Bouncer, I wasn't referring to you by "Harymonster and Co.", but if you understood it that way then that probably says something.
I will edit my original post to specifically exclude you from the list, and make this clear.

[Bald Bouncer]

My main point as you seem to skip over is you are labeling inderviduals as a group just because they have issues with the move and some problems they are having, and clever little remarks like but if you understood it that way then that probably says something. serve no other purpose that to antagonise, if you want to say something then please don't use weasel words to do it.

[Reeve of Shinra]

By: HM

"..you would be WISE to not get in my way. So we will leave it at that ok.."


Oh really? And why is that? Your threats are unbecoming of you. Out of respect for Tubedogg, I am not going to flame you or verbally insult you. -- If you want to discuss our differences further, drop by my site and I will indulge you. I will even set up an account just so you wont to give away your precious email address.



I will be looking for alternatives and will be getting rid of this bloated server resource hungry unreliable software once and for all.



There are some products I have purchased in my lifetime that have exceeded my own expectations, VB is one of them. So much so in fact that if you have a lifetime liscence, I will consider buying it off of you.




Moving on ....


Hacks - When users create a hack for VB and distrubite for free, they are doing so under the open GNU liscence or whatever its called. Once distributed, any site or person has the right to re-distribute it so long as it remains unmoddified.


Lets talk facts....

There are over a thousand members at Vb.org at the present time. That approx 1/10 of the total members here at VB.com - but would account for the majority of the ACTIVE community members here today.

Thats 1,000 people who experienced very minimal problems, if any at all in the transistion. I can count maybe a dozen people who have had an ongoing issue with the registration.

Personally, I would consider this a job well done. I have seen transistions made by large (fortune 500) companies and they could only wish their success rate was as high.

Dont get me wrong, the people who do have a problem - do have a problem and I am sure the administation is doing whatever it can to get that rectified asap.

Now -- I remember seeing at the very least, 50 posts from people praising the new site. Thats at least 50 people in favor of the transistion (and you know there are way more than that) against three or four who aren't. -- You cannot please everyone, all of the time. It makes good buissness sense then to do everything possible to please the majority. THAT THEY HAVE DONE.

[HairyMonster]

And vBulletin.org is best for the customer - it gives the hacking community the room it needs to grow and a dedicated management team to run it.

It is only the best for use as we are being told it is and we have no choice in the matter anyhow ?

Hmmm vbulletin says there forums can cope with high capacity sites so why would you need more room than you already have on this board and server.


They are not worthy of my attention as I can't respect a thought / concern from someone that doesn't respect me.
Referring to us as 'children' or 'kids' isn't really the best way to show us respect.

If you were to read my posts chen you would notice I did actualy appologise to you for the ageist remarks in fact I actualy held my hands up and said I was in the wrong and had no right in making fun of your age. The contents of my sig are the ones I use on my own forum and are not aimed at anyone imparticular.


So now you're insulting more people by naming them 'butt kissers'? Wow, you're really doing well today!

I stand by this remark as with every thing you always get those who post up praises just so as to not loose favour by rocking the apple cart.


Just because we're doing everything your way doesn't mean we don't listen to our customers.

Sorry but you are not doing anything my way so this comment I do not understand.


Bald Bouncer, I wasn't referring to you by "Harymonster and Co.", but if you understood it that way then that probably says something.

Your comment in its self is a personal attack at Bald Bouncers personal views and should be retracted as all he is doing is having an opinion.

Can you specify who HairyMonster and Co are so that those who are in my Co can at least know who you are refering too ?


HM - I can not please my master unless my master pleases me.