Seo add-on and sitemap…

[viyanali]

Hope there will be a official Seo add-on with sitemap feature or at least a integrated option to switch on/off a Seo for forum at the next update of vb (hopefully vb 4.0 ).


Seo is really a need and the only option for using it shouldn’t be the third party tools…

Regards..

[Dilly]

SEO isn't a need. It's a want.

[Zachery]

We've done considerable ammounts of SEO work, what we don't currently have is Human Readable URLS / CRULS.

[viyanali]

SEO isn't a need. It's a want.


for some its a need and for some a "want" and for the rest a "dont want" :P thats why i would prefer a option that allow to turn on/off..

and notice... since this vbseo (160 dollar c**p) is out i lost lot of serp in much keywords.. dont tell me it makes no difference.. (:
its fine that we have some addons like zoints and so on but as long as there is no support for that it cant be have a future.
So the fact is;
for me its a need!! bah :P

[viyanali]

We've done considerable ammounts of SEO work, what we don't currently have is Human Readable URLS / CRULS.

means that we will have but we dont have currently (:?

[merk]

No. It means that vBulletin already has been optimised but lacks readable urls, which to me, doesnt mean anything.

And even if it does do something, however small, if everyone has it it ceases to be special and you wont benefit.

[Dilly]

for some its a need and for some a "want" and for the rest a "dont want" :P thats why i would prefer a option that allow to turn on/off..
vBulletin already has SEO.

Readable URLs are not a need. They are a want. Search engines do not need them.

[viyanali]

as far as i know there is a seo for the archive and not for the normal view of threads...
ah and search engine dont need them to index your page but there is a factor called "relevance" at searches..
for example..
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=forum&hl=en&start=20&sa=N
it makes a big difference when that u have the keyword in your url then just in your content.. Best u have it in your domainadress if not then a "human readable" static url adress is needed.. of course if you want to get some more traffic from search engines.. i see that the most users which dont care about seo are the one with a bigger communtiy. You not alone in this business so if you dont care or "dont need" read something else.. its still a suggestion.. and there are lot of people who pays dozens of money for seo.. and to be hornest i would pay jelsoft for a offical seo add-on but sure not a third party tool without offical support..
To be clear..there should be at least one offical (choosable) option for seo...

[PcosKat]

vBulletin already has SEO.

Readable URLs are not a need. They are a want. Search engines do not need them.
Dilly is correct. Not...a...need...

[Grover]

And even if it does do something, however small, if everyone has it it ceases to be special and you wont benefit.

I don't know much about search engines/SEO (so please correct me if I am wrong), but why won't it be beneficial if everyone uses it? It all depends on the thread-titles of your friendly URLS I thought? So if you have (unique) thread-titles and vBulletin supports friendly URLS, then you will find these threads quicker in Google I would assume?

[devilsown]

I don't see how anyone would not want good seo. Vbb imo out of the box is more seo friendly than any other forum software out there.

[merk]

I don't know much about search engines/SEO (so please correct me if I am wrong), but why won't it be beneficial if everyone uses it? It all depends on the thread-titles of your friendly URLS I thought? So if you have (unique) thread-titles and vBulletin supports friendly URLS, then you will find these threads quicker in Google I would assume?

Lets just say you ran a forum and you had a competitor that had a forum that was almost exactly the same subject wise, and you saw them as a threat.

If you got a major component of visitors from search engines, (and you'd have to assume they did too), you'd want to have an advantage over them if at all possible.

If both forums had the same SEO, the results would both be 'better' by the same amount, whereas, if you had 'more' SEO than them you would come out on top.

Once everyone does it, it ceases being special.

[viyanali]

Lets just say you ran a forum and you had a competitor that had a forum that was almost exactly the same subject wise, and you saw them as a threat.

If you got a major component of visitors from search engines, (and you'd have to assume they did too), you'd want to have an advantage over them if at all possible.

If both forums had the same SEO, the results would both be 'better' by the same amount, whereas, if you had 'more' SEO than them you would come out on top.

Once everyone does it, it ceases being special.

so only the guys who pays money for vbseo should have a better seo right?:P (not both)
But i thought a little bit since i start this thread.. I mean when jelsoft brings a offical seo addon most vbseo user would switch to the offical one of course. (my opinion)
Maybe thats a reason too why "they" dont care about this...
Just no one should tell me its difficult to do that for jelsoft.. i saw so much scripts forum-softwares and so on (even simple ones) that have built in seo option.. (not only for archive threads !)

[Wayne Luke]

so only the guys who pays money for vbseo should have a better seo right?:P (not both)

There are free solutions available at vBulletin.org and anyone is free to make their own mod_rewrite rules for this.

[richpal]

The versions of vBulletin 3.6.0 and above address many of the current SEO issues so the vBulletin team aren't sitting on their backsides doing nothing.

Sure the argument over static versus dynamic URLS is currently in favour of the static URL, though please note that Google can indeed crawl your dynamic forum.

Google is looking for decent and unique content as anyone who has read their information for webmasters will appreciate.

SEO is continually changing as Google, Yahoo and MSN continue to improve the accuracy of their search results. What is considered as perfection today may be regarded as the dogs dinner tomorrow.

There is more to gaining a high ranking in the search engine results than just installing another piece of software - sometimes good old-fashioned use of keywords and forum titles works wonders!

[MRGTB]

SEO is continually changing as Google, Yahoo and MSN continue to improve the accuracy of their search results. What is considered as perfection today may be regarded as the dogs dinner tomorrow.

Good point which people seem to forget, I'm not against SEO programs like vBSEO. But I honestly think they should be kept separate from vBulletin unless it's there own. I don't think a switch should be put in to support the vBSEO product.

It's an expensive product that requires yearly subscriptions, the code is also encoded and requires your server to install Zend if I'm right. Because of this, it should remain as it is now, no switches in vBulletin for it.

[Ace]

and requires your server to install Zend if I'm right.
Nope. :)

The ioncube-encoded version can be run using client-side ioncube loaders, available free from ioncube (and included with the vBSEO download).

[MRGTB]

be it Zend or Ioncube, your server is still required to have them installed Yes

[Ace]

"installed" in the case of the ioncube loaders is a matter of uploading them to your server. No fiddling around with config files or .ini files, just an upload.

[Wayne Luke]

I don't think a switch should be put in to support the vBSEO product.

If I may ask, what makes you think we would do something like this? Adding "a switch" for a third party product would only increase our ongoing costs with no financial benefit.

[MRGTB]

I read the post wrong, I thought somebody was talking about adding a switch for vBSEO.

But I misread what he meant

[El_Muerte]

"installed" in the case of the ioncube loaders is a matter of uploading them to your server. No fiddling around with config files or .ini files, just an upload.

runtime loading of PHP extentions (is often not allowed by hosts) and has enormous performance hit.

[Loco.M]

We've done considerable ammounts of SEO work, what we don't currently have is Human Readable URLS / CRULS.

This may be true, but the stock vBulletin has some duplicate material that could be worked on a little more. :)

[Ace]

runtime loading of PHP extentions (if often not allowed by hosts) and an enormous performance hit.
Not in my experience, not on a shared host, definitely not on my dedicated server.

Point being, one's server need not have 'Zend installed' to run it.

Another point being, if you wanted to add it to your config/.ini, you could do so, and not suffer this apparent 'enormous performance hit'.

[briansol]

Search engine friendly URLs is NOT SEO.

Why people continue to think the terms = each other is beyond me.


STATIC urls hold slightly more weight than 1-parameter dynamic (st.php?t=123) but when it comes to multiple params(st.php?t=123&page=2) there is no question.

But, that really is hardly even TOUCHING the surface of what SEO is.

For Zachary to say that vBulletin has spent a lot of time on SEO work for the product, is an outright blatant ignorant statement.


I am WELL versed in SEO.
There are little if ANY SEO best practices in the entire default template.
Sure, they change from time to time, but the general basic outline of things to do is still the same as it was 2 years ago, and vBulletin still has none of them.

[MRGTB]

I have to agree, even something as as simple as using the "nofollow" rules are not used to avoid double content for spiders indexing certain templates.

But, would I be right though in saying that Google now takes the archive pages and print friendly pages into account now for vBulletin, and doesn't penalise it as double content.

I've heard that somewhere.

[briansol]

I don't know, mine are robots.txt'ed out, something that vB should come with from the factory.....


but, its SOOO SEO'ed from the box already.... :eek:

[MRGTB]

thats what I mean though, I'm not sure if robot.txt "ing" them pages out is a good idea anymore, I'm sure I've read that Google has changed the way it index's both IPB and vB now regarding the Archive pages etc.

I could be wrong but I thought I read it has stopped penalising them for it now. But don't hold me to that! It was just something I read when browsing around. And I could be very wrong!

[BamaStangGuy]

If you read that where I think you read that then I wouldn't take it as meaning anything. Google's algorithm is created by humans. Just because they are good at it doesn't mean they are perfect. What does give you a 100% chance of having only what you want indexed is to not rely on Google to do it for you and to start removing duplicate urls and content yourself so they have no choice in indexing exactly what you want.

[viyanali]

Printthreads and archive threads are not duplicate content as far as i know.
http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66359&query=archive&topic=&type=
To my understanding is with
"Store items shown or linked via multiple distinct URLs" the archive meant.
But its better to use a robots.txt to choose self which "best version" of your page sould be published.

To a other point : Search engine friendly URLs is (are) a kind of Search engine optimization (SEO)

At least its a important "Seo" point.

[Lizard King]

Printthreads and archieve threads are duplicate content. DUplicate content means pages with same content so please stop acting like they areen't duplicate content. Google will never prepare a special algorithm for IPB and vBulletin. They prepare a special algorithm for better indexing and i am laughing when someone says vBulletin is SEO optimized :D It is 100% sure that a person with this claim has no knowledge about what SEO meansd and how can it be applied to a site.

[viyanali]

Printthreads and archieve threads are duplicate content. DUplicate content means pages with same content so please stop acting like they areen't duplicate content. Google will never prepare a special algorithm for IPB and vBulletin. They prepare a special algorithm for better indexing and i am laughing when someone says vBulletin is SEO optimized :D It is 100% sure that a person with this claim has no knowledge about what SEO meansd and how can it be applied to a site.

It isnt said that a algorithm is created specially for Ipb or vbulletin..
I said Printthreads and archive is not duplicate Content.

http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66359&query=archive&topic=&type=
from google...

Examples of !!!non-malicious!!! duplicate content could include:
Discussion forums that can generate both regular and stripped-down pages targeted at mobile devices
Store items shown or linked via multiple distinct URLs
!!!Printer-only!!! versions of web pagesDuplicate content on a site is not grounds for action on that site unless it appears that the intent of the duplicate content is to be deceptive and manipulate search engine results. If your site suffers from duplicate content issues, and you don't follow the advice listed above, we do a good job of choosing a version of the content to show in our search results.

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Thats why i said u should still use robots.txt to define which version of your page should published.. But your page does NOT get penalized for this.. Btw, i also never really saw or hear someone who installed a orginial vb software and get penalized couse of duplicate content from google....


May u have some special terms for your forum :P

and ah "reading before writing" (in your case; "reading, understanding then writing" plz..:D

I didnt said that vbulletin is 100% seo optimized.
I said Search engine friendly URLs!!! are a kind of Search engine optimization (SEO) as answer to this post
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showpost.php?do=newreply&p=1392681
from briansol (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/member.php?u=123575)

It is 100% sure that a person with this claim who posts without reading (or trying to read) does only gets people laughed...:D

[Zachery]

Search engine friendly URLs is NOT SEO.

Why people continue to think the terms = each other is beyond me.


STATIC urls hold slightly more weight than 1-parameter dynamic (st.php?t=123) but when it comes to multiple params(st.php?t=123&page=2) there is no question.

But, that really is hardly even TOUCHING the surface of what SEO is.

For Zachery to say that vBulletin has spent a lot of time on SEO work for the product, is an outright blatant ignorant statement.


I am WELL versed in SEO.
There are little if ANY SEO best practices in the entire default template.
Sure, they change from time to time, but the general basic outline of things to do is still the same as it was 2 years ago, and vBulletin still has none of them.
I'm sure you're talking with the developers :)

[viyanali]

interresting.. just made a little research and saw that the people who are against a suggestion!! for seo add-on or just being agressive on threads like this are these people who have buyed vbseo:P
(or being a moderator there... right Lizard?:D)
who cares.. its a suggestion..
if jelsoft does it ; fine..
if not ; also fine :P

[Lizard King]

Viyanalı did you ever read that i commited archive and printthread are malicous duplicate content ? No

But they are still duplicate content because they have the same content as the normal thread. If you have all 3 avaible on a site this will lower your rankings. If you disablke two of them on a proper way then you will help google to focus on just one page which means search engine optimization.


interresting.. just made a little research and saw that the people who are against a suggestion!! for seo add-on or just being agressive on threads like this are these people who have buyed vbseo:P
(or being a moderator there... right Lizard?)
who cares.. its a suggestion..
if jelsoft does it ; fine..
if not ; also fine :P

I didn't even have a post regarding vBSEO at all within this thread but you are trying to pull that subject in. Yes i am a moderator at vBSEO forums and i am proud of that but that has nothing to do with this thread.

vBulletin needs a lot of SEO work done. On regular vBulletin template there is not even 1 header tag which is not good on SEO bases. SEO optimization is a hard thing. If a person wants a good optimization then they need to work at least 1-2 day on Optimizing vBulletin. However vBulletin shall at least have the ability of using header tags.

Yes there are couple optimizations on vBulletin but that is just very small and have nearly no effect at all.

P.S : viyanalı if you want a discussion you shall not attack other people.

[El_Muerte]

But they are still duplicate content because they have the same content as the normal thread. If you have all 3 avaible on a site this will lower your rankings. If you disablke two of them on a proper way then you will help google to focus on just one page which means search engine optimization.

Can you back that up with proof?

[RedTyger]

STATIC urls hold slightly more weight than 1-parameter dynamic (st.php?t=123) but when it comes to multiple params(st.php?t=123&page=2) there is no question.


How well-versed are you, exactly?


I've never seen anyone give any concrete evidence about URL rewriting's impact on search engine rankings, which is curious because without much effort I came across this Q&A video from Matt Cutts of Google, who answers the question as to whether Google treats them differently. I'll sum it up for the lazy among you.

The short answer is no, URL rewrites will make no difference to indexing or ranking.

Unless you have more than 3 or so parameters (that's the number of &something in your URL) or you have extremely long numbers (i.e. even much longer than in the video link below) which may be mistaken for a sessionID. Since neither of those apply to vBulletin as far as I know it seems that rewriting your forum URL is, as far as Google is concerned at least, pointless.

That's not to say it's not nicer to look at and easier to use if URLs are rewritten, it is. I would be very happy indeed to be able to type in the name of a category in the URL instead of having to look up the forum ID, among other things.

The video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6860320126300142609


Seems like these days everyone's well-versed in SEO and the reliabilty of information in that area is the pits. I like rewritten URL's ability to look nice, be more usable and give a vague indication of what the content may be about. But that's it.


I wouldn't be surprised if SEO urls are considerered less and less important by search engines in the future, if not already. They have little if any genuine relationship to content substance, have nothing to do with quality and are comparatively easy to implement site-wide without any improvement to your content at all. Considering how search engines are trying to discount or at least minimise factors like that, they'd be crazy not to take it into account. In your example (showthread vs football etc) all the URL does is add the keyword football, plus a few others, to the URL. What search engines are really interested in - the content - has nothing to do with it. Keywords do are taken into account when linking, but what percentage of that is the URL itself and what percentage is the link text? I'm willing to bet you that it's very strongly weighted in favour of the link text, not the URL itself. It doesn't make a lot of sense to do otherwise.

I would agree that if there's any search engine work in vBulletin then I can't find it. A handful of nofollow links and an archive which is arguably more of a negative than a positive in some respects. Maybe there's something I've missed, I don't know.

[viyanali]

Viyanalı did you ever read that i commited archive and printthread are malicous duplicate content ? No

But they are still duplicate content because they have the same content as the normal thread. If you have all 3 avaible on a site this will lower your rankings. If you disablke two of them on a proper way then you will help google to focus on just one page which means search engine optimization.



I didn't even have a post regarding vBSEO at all within this thread but you are trying to pull that subject in. Yes i am a moderator at vBSEO forums and i am proud of that but that has nothing to do with this thread.

vBulletin needs a lot of SEO work done. On regular vBulletin template there is not even 1 header tag which is not good on SEO bases. SEO optimization is a hard thing. If a person wants a good optimization then they need to work at least 1-2 day on Optimizing vBulletin. However vBulletin shall at least have the ability of using header tags.

Yes there are couple optimizations on vBulletin but that is just very small and have nearly no effect at all.

P.S : viyanalı if you want a discussion you shall not attack other people.


huh? with attack u meant defend:P i would suggest you read your first to me again...
i thought we talk here about Duplicate Content for Google

Printthreads and archieve threads are duplicate content. DUplicate content means pages with same content so please stop acting like they areen't duplicate content

I think all here know that 2 or 3 pages with the same content in it means duplicated content (if your were not talking about Google... but still thanks for this useful information) (:

So after my defending i can get back to a normal discussion (:

Lowering your rankings it not true couse googles bots do not only spider the content they also look on the traffic for a page.. Due my expierence they index that page with more traffic..
A little bit clearer; If a bot decides to take a page to the google index and there are 3 versions of it it tooks the one which the users are currently viewing at most.
Sometimes you also got at search results the normal view url and in the same result tree the archive listed...(or print view)
But u dont get penalized for this so there is no lowering at your rankings.

at last.. im really sure that it has nothing to do that you are a mod at vbseo and im sure you would also suggest a offical seo -addon from jelsoft.. (:
(ok that was attacking:P )

[Lizard King]

How well-versed are you, exactly?




Seems like these days everyone's well-versed in SEO and the reliabilty of information in that area is the pits. I like rewritten URL's ability to look nice, be more usable and give a vague indication of what the content may be about. But that's it.



I would agree that if there's any search engine work in vBulletin then I can't find it. A handful of nofollow links and an archive which is arguably more of a negative than a positive in some respects. Maybe there's something I've missed, I don't know.
I know you read my last post at vb.org on forum seo. I believe rewrite matters but without an efficient on page seo , only mod_rewrite will never have an positive impact to the site. If you have both on page seo and keywords in url mod_rewrite will 100% help you. You can find it out by choosing couple different common keywords and search through google. You can see that first results usualy have keywords inside the url.

P.S : viyanalı sorry but i choose not to discuss with a person like you...

[briansol]

It isnt said that a algorithm is created specially for Ipb or vbulletin..
I said Printthreads and archive is not duplicate Content.

http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66359&query=archive&topic=&type=
from google...

Examples of !!!non-malicious!!! duplicate content could include:
Discussion forums that can generate both regular and stripped-down pages targeted at mobile devices
Store items shown or linked via multiple distinct URLs
!!!Printer-only!!! versions of web pagesDuplicate content on a site is not grounds for action on that site unless it appears that the intent of the duplicate content is to be deceptive and manipulate search engine results. If your site suffers from duplicate content issues, and you don't follow the advice listed above, we do a good job of choosing a version of the content to show in our search results.


vB isn't a store, so scratch point #2.

for point #1 and #3: welcome to CSS.
media="handheld" and media="print" style sheets would take care of this action, with 1 page of coding, and display the proper format to the correct version.
IF vB was coded to handle it as such.

Due to the extensive use of tables, it's not going to work. So, they made 2 other versions of the same page instead.

Duplicate or not, its a hack job attempt to band-aid the real issue.



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Thats why i said u should still use robots.txt to define which version of your page should published.. But your page does NOT get penalized for this.. Btw, i also never really saw or hear someone who installed a orginial vb software and get penalized couse of duplicate content from google....



"penalties" come in all shapes and forms, and don't necessarily pull you out of the index.

The REAL issue is that you lose page weight, depending on what is linked where. So, you have for example, 3 PR1 pages instead of 1 PR3 page.



I said Search engine friendly URLs!!! are a kind of Search engine optimization (SEO) as answer to this post
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showpost.php?do=newreply&p=1392681
from briansol (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/member.php?u=123575)

It is 100% sure that a person with this claim who posts without reading (or trying to read) does only gets people laughed...:D

"does only gets people laughed" whatever that means...



I'm sure you're talking with the developers :)

Sorry for spelling your name wrong :D

No, i'm not talking with the developers. I shouldn't have to. it's your product, not mine....

You can hire me if you want, but i'm not moving to the UK or Cali.


interresting.. just made a little research and saw that the people who are against a suggestion!! for seo add-on or just being agressive on threads like this are these people who have buyed vbseo:P
(or being a moderator there... right Lizard?:D)
who cares.. its a suggestion..
if jelsoft does it ; fine..
if not ; also fine :P

I also run vbseo, because it FIXES a LOT (but not all) of the things that the default vB installation does. There are still many on-page taticts that are missing out, and due to vbseo NOT being a template, they really can't address those issues.



vBulletin needs a lot of SEO work done. On regular vBulletin template there is not even 1 header tag which is not good on SEO bases. SEO optimization is a hard thing. If a person wants a good optimization then they need to work at least 1-2 day on Optimizing vBulletin. However vBulletin shall at least have the ability of using header tags.

Yes there are couple optimizations on vBulletin but that is just very small and have nearly no effect at all.

P.S : viyanalı if you want a discussion you shall not attack other people.

extending from the heading, the menus should be in lists and not riddled with javascript. CSS can handle all of it, and still work for those without JS turned on (assuming they aren't on an old IE)

The semantics of the coding is bad, to say the least.

run a forum through Cynthia... its pretty pathetic.


How well-versed are you, exactly?
i do it for a living... for clients that do $USD 40,000-100,000 in sales an HOUR.

do you have a standard rating system that i can rate myself on? does one even exist?



Seems like these days everyone's well-versed in SEO and the reliabilty of information in that area is the pits. I like rewritten URL's ability to look nice, be more usable and give a vague indication of what the content may be about. But that's it.


Again, I will agree with you on the 1 parameter. but more than that, i've found it not to be true.



If you decide to use dynamic pages (i.e., the URL contains a "?" character), be aware that not every search engine spider crawls dynamic pages as well as static pages. It helps to keep the parameters short and the number of them few.

http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35769
even google recommends limited parameters.



I would agree that if there's any search engine work in vBulletin then I can't find it. A handful of nofollow links and an archive which is arguably more of a negative than a positive in some respects. Maybe there's something I've missed, I don't know.

at least we agree on something ;)



Lowering your rankings it not true couse googles bots do not only spider the content they also look on the traffic for a page.. Due my expierence they index that page with more traffic..

A little bit clearer; If a bot decides to take a page to the google index and there are 3 versions of it it tooks the one which the users are currently viewing at most.


bots do not record traffic. they look at external links coming in to give page weight and overall authority.
if Joe links to print thread from a high PR site, and you have no incoming links to the showthread page, chances are your print url will show up in the index before the showthread page.




at last.. im really sure that it has nothing to do that you are a mod at vbseo and im sure you would also suggest a offical seo -addon from jelsoft.. (:
(ok that was attacking:P )

As he said before, you're the only one bringing up vbseo here....

we're talking about how the oem vB template is NOT optimized well.

[viyanali]

As he said before, you're the only one bringing up vbseo here....

we're talking about how the oem vB template is NOT optimized well.

Someone has to do it… (Because it’s just true)



Bots do not record traffic…………….

I know that from a insider…
So there is no official statement for this believe what u want…(so do I)




"penalties" come in all shapes and forms, and don't necessarily pull you out of the index.

The REAL issue is that you lose page weight, depending on what is linked where. So, you have for example, 3 PR1 pages instead of 1 PR3 page.

That’s true but how much people really links to a print view of a page…
(So it’s not really an argument in my opinion)


It is 100% sure that a person with this claim who posts without reading (or trying to read) does only gets people laughed..."does only gets people laughed" whatever that means...


Was in the same form an answer to a personally attack as it was written by the owner of the specific post...
Meaning: funny….

So and now to the other points and why I bring vbseo up..
İ just made a suggestion for a offical seo-addon.
I didn’t said vbulletin is seo optimized..

And what do i get?
Lot of people who try to blame me for a suggestion.. huh?
And as I said after a little research I see the most of them are vbseo users..
I don’t like vbseo and can’t accept that they want 150 dollars for a add-on script.
Original vbulletin costs 160!!! dollars.. So should I consider that both scripts has the same effort in it?

Ah and of course all this things (testimonials) about " win with vbseo hundred of dollars per day".. "I bought a new bmw".. and so on.. (People believe that and pay dozens of Money for it)

I really think there should be a officially supported product from jelsoft to stop this…

So I made a suggestion and jelsofts may make it or may not.
I won’t discuss with all this vbseo fans here around the seo on the vbulletin script..
Doing it has anyway no sense..

[Lizard King]

I know that from a insider…

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[viyanali]

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

So there is no official statement for this believe what u want…(so do I)

Your behavior on this thread just confirms how right i was about the aggressive people on these threads..:)

[Lizard King]

Your behavior on this thread just confirms how right i was about the aggressive people on these threads..:)
There is a small difference between bull**** and lie. I hope you'll realize that before making your posts.

This thread is about SEO'ing vBulletin. As you requested a feature i also requested vBulletin a feature as a customer. You are trying to turn this thread into vBSEO discussion however if yoıu want that you shall do it in another thread. Because i'll only discuss SEO'ing vBulletin in this thread with people who doesn't get inside inormation from search engines.

[viyanali]

There is a small difference between bull**** and lie. I hope you'll realize that before making your posts.

This thread is about SEO'ing vBulletin. As you requested a feature i also requested vBulletin a feature as a customer. You are trying to turn this thread into vBSEO discussion however if yoıu want that you shall do it in another thread. Because i'll only discuss SEO'ing vBulletin in this thread with people who doesn't get inside inormation from search engines.


Dude this is just a Suggestion thread and was not thought to be discussion about vbulletins seo. I mean wtf??
You guys started with all that seo crap and I just made a theory why you are doing this..(and I still think it’s true..)

Normally the answers here should be only I would like that too or nope…

And I say it the last time.. (for the third time) (as it would be make a difference for you..3-5 all the same right:P?)

Believe what u want.. (I said that’s my experience you can’t prove me the opposite since Google never makes any statements of his indexing technology or algorithms.

So if you still want to write me any of your useless answers u can scroll up and read this as your answer;

"""Stfu :D"""

[El_Muerte]

vB isn't a store, so scratch point #2.

for point #1 and #3: welcome to CSS.
media="handheld" and media="print" style sheets would take care of this action, with 1 page of coding, and display the proper format to the correct version.
IF vB was coded to handle it as such.

Due to the extensive use of tables, it's not going to work. So, they made 2 other versions of the same page instead.

media="handheld" is not the way to go for mobile devices unless the page content is very limited.
in pages for mobile devices you only want to include the bare minimum needed to read the content.
Not that vBulletin's archive is good for mobile devices (too much content on a single page).

but media=print is the way to go for printable pages

[briansol]

Ah and of course all this things (testimonials) about " win with vbseo hundred of dollars per day".. "I bought a new bmw".. and so on.. (People believe that and pay dozens of Money for it)


believe what you want, but the car is in my driveway as we speak.... i'm the same dude. I went from 20 bucks a day to 100 bucks a day in a month.



I really think there should be a officially supported product from jelsoft to stop this…

So I made a suggestion and jelsofts may make it or may not.
I won’t discuss with all this vbseo fans here around the seo on the vbulletin script..
Doing it has anyway no sense..

I agree that they should have done it from the factory too. But, its too late now IMO.


media="handheld" is not the way to go for mobile devices unless the page content is very limited.
in pages for mobile devices you only want to include the bare minimum needed to read the content.

using pagebreak:before and pagebreak:after, you can simulate 160 chars per screen if necessary. I agree, it's very limited.... but perhaps its the limit of the mobile device, not the stylesheet.

[MRGTB]

believe what you want, but the car is in my driveway as we speak.... i'm the same dude. I went from 20 bucks a day to 100 bucks a day in a month.

Yeah of course you did, pigs can fly too.

I've read that post and what a great publicity stunt it is too, so people buy vBSEO! Just a pity half the people who replied later in that thread where posting how they where not making anymore money after installing vBSEO. And were asking you how you did it.

Plus you where quoting figures earned in that thread which is against Googles TOS. You would never have done that in a million years and put them kind of earning at risk (unless it was false and just a ploy to impress people to buy vBSEO, by posting huge figures). LOL, what a crock!

Now your bringing the same story here! I wonder why!!!

[El_Muerte]

using pagebreak:before and pagebreak:after, you can simulate 160 chars per screen if necessary. I agree, it's very limited.... but perhaps its the limit of the mobile device, not the stylesheet.

A screen isn't 160 chars wide.
You want to strip all irrelevant data from the HTML to make it as small as possible.

[Ace]

Yeah of course you did, pigs can fly too.

<snip>

Plus you where quoting figures earned in that thread which is against Googles TOS.

Having just read the TOS, no, it isn't. If it is, please do provide a link to the part of Google's TOS that it is.

[Simetrical]

I find it continually astonishing how acrimonious these SEO threads can get. vBulletin could use SEO features like generating sitemaps and less duplicate content, surely we can all agree. It would also be nice to have human-readable URLs, which apparently are beneficial for SEO as well ("not every search engine spider crawls dynamic pages . . . It helps to keep the parameters short and the number of them few. (http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35769)"). And I doubt I'm alone in wanting some recommended robots.txt settings (search.php, for instance? what else?). Many people can see the value in semantic HTML for Web crawlers and other things too. Why does everyone have to go around yelling at each other about all this? :confused:

media="handheld" is not the way to go for mobile devices unless the page content is very limited.
in pages for mobile devices you only want to include the bare minimum needed to read the content.
For a forum it would be convenient to strip out stuff like avatar, signature, and other postbit things by default for handhelds, yeah. (Assuming you can reliably recognize handhelds . . .) You could still get much better display than you have now even with them present, of course, using appropriate CSS.

[Wayne Luke]

We will review this suggestion in the future.