vBulletin 3.6.6 / 3.6.7 Release Discussion

[Kier]

This thread is for discussing the release of vBulletin 3.6.6 and 3.6.7.

Please use this thread to talk about things you like or installation experiences etc., but please do not use this thread to post troubleshooting queries or bug reports. These threads tend to grow very large and bug reports etc. tend to become lost and will not get attention from the support or development teams.

For reporting bugs, please use the vBulletin Bug Tracker, which is now part of the vBulletin Project Tools. (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/project.php?s=&do=issuelist&projectid=6&sortfield=lastpost&sortorder=&issuetypeid=bug&appliesgroupid=7&issuestatusid=0)

[JakeS]

Awesome release would have never guess it was released if I never see the announcement thread.. Updated test forum :D

[Mazinger]

Very Nice. I think I'll upgrade today. :)

[PitchouneN64ngc]

Good work for the debug part and the calendar (for choosing date/time) ;)

I'll upgrade today :D

Thanks ;)

[Distance]

Oh dear.. Alot of changes I see..

Thanks for the update though :/

[burley]

When I go to the download section, 3.6.5 seems to be the latest version, instead of 3.6.6

Is it just me, or does anybody else have this problem?

[Mike Sullivan]

When I go to the download section, 3.6.5 seems to be the latest version, instead of 3.6.6

Is it just me, or does anybody else have this problem?
Probably have an expired owned license.

[DJ PİSAGOR]

Thank you for this release

[sh11sh.com]

Thanks :D:D

[urdu]

Thanks
i am also will upgrade my forum to this version

[TheDoctor46]

Thanks :cool:

[HALF MOON]

Good job
Thanks
:)

[Axom]

Thanks
vbulletin the best :D

[JakeS]

Lol....


im_send_msn
Added <span style="white-space:nowrap"> around the email address. Seee bug 1257 (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/bugs36.php?do=view&bugid=1257)

Typo ;)

[bela-meaad]

Great

Thanks

http://www.bela-meaad.com
http://www.ssmarket.net

[Eagle Creek]

Woei!woei!woei!woei!woei!

:D :D :D Jellsoft!
Jellsoft! :D :D :D

[Fusion]

Thanks, Team!
Great start to my weekend. I guess I'll cut this workday short ;)

[Jose Amaral Rego]

Gag! so many template changes.. Oh! boy now I can release my Styles in the next day. I am going to see what I can do to in a day. This is fab. work and have to test to see what it looks like.

Thanks.

[Mr-Mo3ath]

i well now go 2 uprdage my fourms 2 see :d

[Subah]

Great job , i will upgrade my forum today at night :)

[Miko]

And here we go again, this time is more work than usual :D
good job with the update, now waiting for the project tools

[Joe Gronlund]

All my RSS issues are fixed :)

[Zachariah B]

Execlent !!
- Flawless Victory

:D

[AzhriaLilu]

*does a dance* good job as always, guys! :)

[Wish]

Thank you.

Looking forward to upgrading when I get home.

[PhoneiX]

Like this release, thank you vb team!

[burley]

Probably have an expired owned license.


ah, yes. Will update inmediately
But how come I can/could still download the 3.6.5 version?

[---MAD---]

Great update :). Good work Jelsoft.

[Shazz™]

Thanks..
Will look into it :)

[Ken Iovino]

Great job Jelsoft. I'm very excited to see the debug mode has been enhanced for us plugin authors. :)

[barroca]

Tks a lot! :D
I copy the notice by Kier in www.vb-brasil.org
click here (http://www.vb-brasil.org/forums/noticias-vb-brasil/1384-noticia-vbulletin-3-6-6-kier.html)
Great news !
Tks for all Jelsoft team.
All the best
Joao Barroca
aka beduino

[Assim]

Cool, I will upgrade today!

[Mazinger]

MEMBERINFO


Revisited 'Additional Information' and 'Group Memberships' sections to improve HTML and add support for profile field categorization.How does increasing the cellpadding in top & botton improve HTML in 'Additional Information'? :confused:

[SaN-DeeP]

How does increasing the cellpadding in top & botton improve HTML in 'Additional Information'? :confused:
maybe improvement in display of source code ?

[DelphiVillage]

upgraded no problem at all as usual thanks jelsoft the "enhanced" debug mode verry verry nice ...

[RedTyger]

Thank you for the improved template change information, that is most welcome for custom forums.

[Lars-Christian]

I am holding off on any further upgrades until the release of the Social Networking expansion thing, or at least until most of the mods I'm using are supported on the new version.

Looks good, now I'm just rooting for the social networking thing though - I really, really look forward to it :)

[Dabbler]

Wow. Lotsa work by Jelsoft I see. <<thumbsup>>
Now I have lots to do on my side. <<oh well>>

There's enough in here that it could have been called a 3.7.0 release.

[phlogiston]

Installing this over the past hour is the first I've heard about the template hooks.
Great idea!

The change in behaviour of log_out() meant change to a third party product templates (vBA CMPS) but nothing critical - absolutely no conflicts found with anything else :D

[LeeCHeSSS]

I can't check for myself because I'm at work, but anyone know if this issue has been changed: http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/project.php?issueid=21951 ?

If not, that'd be a shame...

[Mike Sullivan]

I can't check for myself because I'm at work, but anyone know if this issue has been changed: http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/project.php?issueid=21951 ?

If not, that'd be a shame...
Just like changing function return values and modifying queries, this is something we entertain on a per-hook basis; it is not going to be done globally. Make your requests in the hook request thread.

[Joe Gronlund]

New images too :)

[Mazinger]

New images too
There's alot:



And those for RTL versions.



*I'm really astonished to see the RTL images, those have fixed some problems (though I used to edit these images, and Rotate/Flip them to suit RTL).

Thanks vB for that excellent work. :D

[Dody]

This is worthing that I update my license
oh well, license updated and gona try this out :D

[nexialys]

The date picker... did you ask permission from famfamfam (from the silk collection!) for the use of its calendar.png ?! you usually have copyrighted images, but this one is from someone else...(this is new and strange!)

[persianforum]

Thank you for this release


__________________
Persian Forum (http://www.persian-forum.com/)

[RedTyger]

Hm. Are you supposed to be able to declare a template as both the old and new version in the template compare?

[Mike Sullivan]

The date picker... did you ask permission from famfamfam (from the silk collection!) for the use of its calendar.png ?! you usually have copyrighted images, but this one is from someone else...(this is new and strange!)
It's Creative Commons. We are following the license agreement (attribution--look in the credits) and he is aware of it. (If you haven't noticed, the project tools use some more of his icons.) Great set!

[Antivirus]

Yay Jelsoft, thaks for all the hard work! :)

[nexialys]

It's Creative Commons. We are following the license agreement (attribution--look in the credits) and he is aware of it. (If you haven't noticed, the project tools use some more of his icons.) Great set!
oh, yeah, i did not use the project tools yet, so i did not see... i was not accusing you of fraud, actually i just asked in case of someone else asking the same in a different situation... :D

sure these icons are great, i made some iconsets for vb with this collection... i think it is one of the best effort on the net to make skinny icons... ;)

[Floris]

Updated the sites to 3.6.6 and went smoothly.

[Mr Mostafa]

thnx Kier I'll upgrade Now :)

[ScR1Pt]

Woke now and Work Upgrading ^_* loading . |||||||||||||%90

[ReQueM]

Thanks vB Team \o/

[monForum]

I notice that in the Members area the current release for download is still 3.6.5. The download page says 'Latest Stable Version: 3.6.6', but on the actual download options, 'Download Latest Version: 3.6.5'. When attempting to download, the file as well is 3.6.5.

How does one get to the actual release of 3.6.6?

[Floris]

Maybe your owned license is expired. And you might need to renew it first.

[PixelFX]

yay new update ... twitches just upgraded a client last night to 365 lol, good thing I don't have any core hacks in yet.. thanks for the hard work guys looking forward to checking your new other products other :D

[Floris]

thnx Kier I'll upgrade Now :)
You're currently showing up unlicensed, but are obviously running vBulletin. Could you please go to the members area and select 'priority support' on the left from the menu and enter your email address in the form there (the one you used to register on this forum with) so you show up licensed here?

[kevinmanphp]

I am currently running vB 3.6.3.

Can I upgrade directly to the new 3.6.6?

[Mr-Mo3ath]

evry think good the uprdage its ezay
الترقية نجحت يا شباب


I am currently running vB 3.6.3.

Can I upgrade directly to the new 3.6.6?

yes you can that:)

[Floris]

I am currently running vB 3.6.3.

Can I upgrade directly to the new 3.6.6?
Yes, just upload the 3.6.6 files and run upgrade.php it recognizes which version you are running and what upgrade steps you should take.

[Kurnaz]

Thanks VB Team...

[JVCode]

How do i view the 'Debug info' ?

[Wynand]

Working like a charm :)

[|Norman|]

I will upgrade this monday.

[Caiman]

Nice one, Jelsoft... some nice fixes in this I've been waiting on.

[Floris]

How do i view the 'Debug info' ?
Important notice : Enabling DEBUG MODE on vBulletin is not recommended Only use this if you know what you are doing, as you can delete things you should not, and you open yourself up for increased insecurity.

To enable debug you can add this line to config.php file : $config['Misc']['debug'] = true;

Temporary enable it if a staff member asks you to do so in order to perhaps resolve an issue with the forum, and do not run it on a live web site.

[JVCode]

Thanks, just ran it from my test forum with 3.6.6 before i upgrade. 10 queries executed on homepage, is that alot?

[BadgerDog]

Ok, I'm a little new at this upgrade process.... ;)

I have v3.6.4 running well and I've added a lot of nice mods and plug-ins to enhance our site. Maybe 20 of them, including all of Paul M's. On many of them, I've had to make changes to templates such as Navbar and Forumhome etc.....

So, if I upgrade to v3.6.6, is it going to overwrite all of my template changes?

If so, what is the best way to handle this upgrade process without disrupting my user community too much?

Thanks for an feedback and advice.... :)

Regards,
Badger

[kenfuzed]

I've only been running vB for 6 months so this is a total newb question. I've done a bunch of templates edits but haven't kept track of what's been changed. Is there are way to identify and compare so I don't blow my changes away? Specifically I'd like a way to find any changes and be able to painlessly put them back in after upgrading.

[Emil]

I just tried to upgrade to 3.6.6 but I ran into a problem.

On Step 1) Misc Table Alterations (Step 1 of 2), I get the following mysql error:


Database error in vBulletin 3.6.5:

Invalid SQL:
ALTER TABLE template ADD UNIQUE INDEX title (title,styleid,templatetype);

MySQL Error : Duplicate entry 'footer-96-template' for key 2
Error Number : -1
Date : Friday, May 11th 2007 @ 11:34:04 AM
Script : http://www.xxx.com/install/upgrade_366.php?step=1
Referrer : http://www.xxx.com/install/upgrade_366.php
IP Address : xx.xxx.xxx.xxx
Username :
Classname : vb_database

Any idea what the problem can be?

[Eagle Creek]

What's RTL (language)? Right to left, like arabic?

[Mike Sullivan]

I just tried to upgrade to 3.6.6 but I ran into a problem.

On Step 1) Misc Table Alterations (Step 1 of 2), I get the following mysql error:


Database error in vBulletin 3.6.5:

Invalid SQL:
ALTER TABLE template ADD UNIQUE INDEX title (title,styleid,templatetype);

MySQL Error : Duplicate entry 'footer-96-template' for key 2
Error Number : -1
Date : Friday, May 11th 2007 @ 11:34:04 AM
Script : http://www.xxx.com/install/upgrade_366.php?step=1
Referrer : http://www.xxx.com/install/upgrade_366.php
IP Address : xx.xxx.xxx.xxx
Username :
Classname : vb_database

Any idea what the problem can be?
Please submit a support ticket with phpMyAdmin access and ask for it to be assigned to me. Your template table was missing a crucial index already.

[feldon23]

I just tried to upgrade to 3.6.6 but I ran into a problem.
Please create a thread in the Troubleshooting or Installation forums.


What's RTL (language)? Right to left, like arabic?
Correct. Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Hebrew, etc.

[Emil]

Please submit a support ticket with phpMyAdmin access and ask for it to be assigned to me. Your template table was missing a crucial index already.

Done. Thanks, Mike! :)

[ameed]

Good job
Thanks & Thankssssssssssss

[Floris]

Thanks, just ran it from my test forum with 3.6.6 before i upgrade. 10 queries executed on homepage, is that alot?
Nope, between 7 and 13 for forumhome for vBulletin 3.6 I believe. Depends on which features you turn on / off.

[alqloob alsahya]

thank"s kier thes good job

nicee man ;)

[bmc]

Thank you for this update Jelsoft! :) I shall update my forums this evening when I get home, and will report back here how it went.

Edit: Upgrades ran seamlessly! Thanks again Jelsoft for the great work! :)

[sebbe]

Ah, borrowing some code from YUI. :) We'll be upgrading in the next couple of days.

[Darkblade]

Thanks for the release! Upgrading right away... :)

[forumguy]

Great! A question, by template edits, does that mean the templates will be removed of any customizations?

[Shazz™]

So many people are reporting there site seems slower :|

[Serkan Yılmaz]

Thank you turkiyeden katılan arkadaşlar ne gibi degişiklikler var ögrenebilirmiyiz

[BadgerDog]

Ok, I'm a little new at this upgrade process.... ;)

I have v3.6.4 running well and I've added a lot of nice mods and plug-ins to enhance our site. Maybe 20 of them, including all of Paul M's. On many of them, I've had to make changes to templates such as Navbar and Forumhome etc.....

So, if I upgrade to v3.6.6, is it going to overwrite all of my template changes?

If so, what is the best way to handle this upgrade process without disrupting my user community too much?

Thanks for an feedback and advice.... :)

Regards,
Badger

A follow-up....

Here's a list of the templates that show in "RED", which I believe according to the legend have been altered.

I guess not all of them have been affected by the upgrade, but which ones are going to require re-doing an add-on mod if I upgrade?

Thanks

Regards,
Badger


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ATTACHMENTS:
Contactus
Footer
FORUMHOME
forumhome_forumbit_level1_nopost
forumhome_forumbit_level1_post
forumhome_forumbit_level2_post
header
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modifyoptions
navbar
newreply
pm_messagelistbit
postbit
postbit_attachmentthumbnail
postbit_ip
postbit_legacy
SHOWTHREAD
SHOWTHREAD_SHOWPOST
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STANDARD_ERROR
STANDARD_REDIRECT

[viper357]

edit * never mind, I didn't read the whole thread

[EWGF]

edit * never mind, I didn't read the whole thread

It is usual that
's appear in quote when I quote someone? Nice job furthermore. Too bad I have to change many templates, though. Edit: My allignment got screwed up, fixed. Edit2: BBCode's changing in HTML. My fault? =/

[AHG]

I noticed the demo site not yet updated to 3.6.6!

[Floris]

I noticed the demo site not yet updated to 3.6.6!
The admin demo between 3.6.5 and 3.6.6 isn't that big of a difference. I expect it to get updated to 3.6.6 stable during or after the weekend.

[Moparx]

Great as always. :cool:

[mihai11]

Right on time ! I will be launching a new forum next week so it is going to be launched with the 3.6.6. version !

[Forum Dude]

I'm glad to see this update. However, I had one question, which I know I've asked several times before. However, it has a twist.

Do we have to manually update all of the templates, or will the 'Find Updated Templates' suffice?

[SecondV]

Very nice! Thanks for the update, will upgrade soon. :)

[Naxon]

Upgraded my system :)
I got one bug, and I fixed it.
I'll send an issue and a solution.

[Mazinger]

I see new folder in clientscripts called Yui.

But why the calendar_popup.png used in Admin CP is taken from the images/misc folder? I think there should be a copy of it in admincp/control_examples or cpstyles folders.

[Loco.M]

I'm very interested in this blog feature. :)

[TrIn@dOr]

Thanks, i will try to update today!

[ymy]

Thanks for the release! :p

Upgrading will start ... :)


YmY

[McJ]

Before I begin, and this is probably glaringly obvious, are there any database alterations?

[LBmtb]

Before I begin, and this is probably glaringly obvious, are there any database alterations?
What he said :)

[MrNase]

I am starting the update. Wish me luck. ;)

[Antivirus]

Before I begin, and this is probably glaringly obvious, are there any database alterations?

I recall reading the last announcement that there are db alterations, but it would certainly be helpful to know what they are. My site has a bunch of new table additions as well as dependencies on current 3.6.5 architecture and until i do the install i won't knwo what problems (if any will happen) will arise. I'm probably going to do an upgrade on my test installation first to see what issues arise.

[Steve Machol]

You can find all the db changes from 3.6.5 in the install/upgrade_366.php file.

[antiekeradio]

Before I begin, and this is probably glaringly obvious, are there any database alterations?

all needed changes are performed by the upgrade script(s).

that's one of the reasons you need to delete those scripts after you're done ;)

[hornstar6969]

Looks like it will be a big update, I wonder if it will affect many of the hacks i have installed ^^

[Floris]

I have a forum with 12 products installed, I went from 3.6.4 to 3.6.6 and so far no errors.

[Mr_Bob]

Great release guys, looks like the small calender upgrade only works in IE though; I really hope this can be fixed prior to the release of Blog/Project Tools *maybe added to the add events section of the VB calender ;)*

[Floris]

The calendar select dropdown box works on my firefox, and IE browsers.

[Mr_Bob]

The calendar select dropdown box works on my firefox, and IE browsers.
It works now. I was trying to clear my cache via the Ctrl + F5 method, however apparently I had to clear all the browser cache prior to the new features appearing, which is rather odd, but it works now. My suggestion for the front end still stands though.

Just to add in, as always, the upgrade was quick and simple, my favorite kind :).

[MrNase]

Update went as usual, without any problems! :)

Some things I don't like so far:

The language of the new date picker is harcoded in clientscripts/vbulletin_cpcolorpicker.js

The changes in the files that arise as a result from the swith to the new javascript framework don't seem to be documented. I was using the old framework for custom Add-ons and those aren't working anymore.

[Silvio]

ty guys as usual u top class

[Chousho]

Update went great, except that I deleted all my files before uploading the new ones, and forgot to keep my custom images for my other skins.

Other than my own fault, it was great, haha.

[Onimua]

ah, yes. Will update inmediately
But how come I can/could still download the 3.6.5 version?
The license covers all versions released during the duration of the license.


... and excellent news, Jelsoft! Glad to see the updates... will upgrade shortly from now. :D

Can't wait until the other products are released.

[bluidkiti]

Was doing upgrade and have run across a problem. Got this:

Step 2) Import latest admin help
Importing vbulletin-adminhelp.xml
Database error

Database error in vBulletin 3.6.6:

Invalid SQL:

INSERT INTO adminhelp
(script, action, optionname, displayorder, volatile, product)
VALUES

('index',
'home',
'',
1,
1,
'vbulletin');

MySQL Error : Duplicate entry 'index-home-' for key 2
Error Number : 1062



Can anyone help me? I have never had a problem doing an upgrade before. Thanks

[Floris]

Please don't use this thread for support questions.

[bluidkiti]

You may delete that post and this one. I did not know. I have posted in what I hope is the correct forum. My apologies.

[Gene Steinberg]

This release worked fine on our forums at www.theparacast.com/forums (http://www.theparacast.com/forums) and I rather think it's partly because we haven't done extensive modifications to the templates nor installed more than a single add-on.

However, the installation process is downright pathetic, a relic of the 1980s. Basic shareware, for example, will often have a superior update method.

You need an intelligent installer, Web-based, that would simply download the correct files, and handle the upgrade with as little manual intervention as possible. Anytime you add manual labor, you increase the risk for error, and the need for extra support to solve the problems that result.

If templates are changed, the installer should have some basic logic to incorporate the changes in the upgraded templates. If the changes are beyond a specific range, the user gets an onscreen message and a way to check the changes and make the final decision. This can be done at the end of the installation process, so everything else is complete.

What you are offering now might be suitable for open source software, but not for a commercial product. It's time for you to enter the 21st century.

And, please, I don't want to hear complaints from the resident geek population that people who can't do it themselves are too stupid or not deserving of their attention. We have personal computers with multiple cores, many gigabytes of RAM and so forth and so on. Why can't message board software provide the proper upgrade tools?

Peace,
Gene

[MoMan]

Great release, but I don't like the new format fo template documentation.

Also, I now have a single space on the Memberinfo template before any entry (just like you do on vb.com). I want to get ridof it to make everything look nice again :)

[Digital2]

I have a forum with 12 products installed, I went from 3.6.4 to 3.6.6 and so far no errors.
I have a forum with 30 products installed and a custom template designed for 3.6.5. I don't think I'll be risking screwing my template up. I see nothing here (feature wise) that is going to give me more than I have with these extra products installed. After the theme developer releases a 3.6.6 version then I'll upgrade.

I do not like the idea of every version having *mandatory* template changes. For those with highly customized proprietary themes this is an enormous inconvenience. As for the supposed bugs, I haven't had any issue whatsoever with 3.6.5.

My biggest problem is that I am upgrade anal. I want to upgrade immediately upon every new release. The problem is that I have so many products and template changes that it's a huge hassle to. As soon as I install this upgrade 3.6.7 will be released in a week because some bug or exploit was found and then I'd be looking at having to do it all over again...

We seriously need an installer that can look at a custom template and *know* that it is a custom template. The installer should be smart enough to realize that my navbar changes and postbit changes are intentional and should *not* be overwritten.

An even better idea would be to take the most tested of the hacks (and the best) and incorporate them into the core release so all of this editing wouldn't be needed. hacks like the arcades, flashchat integration, vBAdvanced, and Links and Download manager etc are all great products. Why aren't they part of vBulletin?

[Dream]

I am starting the update. Wish me luck. ;)
BOOM

[Zia]

Nice to see it :)
Hope..
existing plugins/product wont messed up for upgrading.........
& forum will be more smooth

[Onimua]

I have a forum with 30 products installed and a custom template designed for 3.6.5. I don't think I'll be risking screwing my template up. I see nothing here (feature wise) that is going to give me more than I have with these extra products installed. After the theme developer releases a 3.6.6 version then I'll upgrade.

I do not like the idea of every version having *mandatory* template changes. For those with highly customized proprietary themes this is an enormous inconvenience. As for the supposed bugs, I haven't had any issue whatsoever with 3.6.5.

My biggest problem is that I am upgrade anal. I want to upgrade immediately upon every new release. The problem is that I have so many products and template changes that it's a huge hassle to. As soon as I install this upgrade 3.6.7 will be released in a week because some bug or exploit was found and then I'd be looking at having to do it all over again...

We seriously need an installer that can look at a custom template and *know* that it is a custom template. The installer should be smart enough to realize that my navbar changes and postbit changes are intentional and should *not* be overwritten.

An even better idea would be to take the most tested of the hacks (and the best) and incorporate them into the core release so all of this editing wouldn't be needed. hacks like the arcades, flashchat integration, vBAdvanced, and Links and Download manager etc are all great products. Why aren't they part of vBulletin?

What do you mean? vBulletin doesn't do anything to customized templates at all; it just lists the templates that need to be updated to the latest version. You either revert the template or manually add the changes.

[bmanz]

why so many bugs/reports in http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/project.php?s=&do=issuelist&projectid=6&sortfield=lastpost&sortorder=&issuetypeid=bug&appliesgroupid=7&issuestatusid=0
edit : should i upgrade without worrying that it has bugs ?

[val8200]

Thanks!!

[vattack]

Is this correct?

For the template changes i can just compare the 2 templates and mark the 3.6.6 version as "New" then change my "old" template as so:

Change whatever is highlighted yellow, add whatever is highlighted green, and delete whatever is highlighted red.

thanks in advance

[Ascor]

Just updated without any problem, nice, thank you :)

[TheWhite]

I must agree, the update method is primitive and it's way to dangerous to update a modded board anyway did anyone pinpoint what files should or could be uploaded so that we could do a minor update just the essentials without risking a sure death, furthermore to many updates are coming out because in 4 mths since 3.64 we have now hit 3.66 and i bet we'll get to 3.67 in less then 2 mnths.

Very dissappointed

[Metal-R-US]

That's a whole lot of template changes and as the design I'm using is heavily customized it's gonna take a while before I'm done figuring out everything... :eek:

[Bilal]

I just upgraded to vb 3.6.6, but why I am not seeing that date popup feature for date fields in the admincp like in the post announcement section etc? :$

[NolFito]

Just updated my site
Went very smooth, no problems, very lovely :D.
Took a while to get all my templates up to date but ^^ now I'm ready for the next phase yey
Thx

[MrNase]

By the way: What's up with that template hooks? Am I missing something or hasn't this been explained?

[Lord Katsuhito]

I don't see what the big hype was all aboutI mean not much was changed no real improvements although bug fixes are a #1 issue

[Ohiosweetheart]

This upgrade was mandatory to be able to use the new project tools, I believe

[antiekeradio]

for the people that are moaning about 'too many releases'; please stick with what you have and stop complaining; for 95% of the users version 3.6.0 is still totally OK...

for people running a heavily modded board it is normal to wait a number of versions before upgrading.

reviewing the documentation op upgrading, and especially the hints on template customisations therein, may help to make updating simpler and faster.

[King Kovifor]

Wish I had a place to use it...

[Assim]

Where's this date picker and the DEBUG mode thing, how can I make them work, they don't seem to.

[WurkAnimal]

Thank you vBulletin for another awesome update!

[yhdf]

Thanks!!

[bmc]

Where's this date picker and the DEBUG mode thing, how can I make them work, they don't seem to.

From the vBulletin 3.6.6 Released Announcement (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1352370#post1352370):


As a result, certain existing vBulletin features have been upgraded, such as date entry fields in the Admin CP, which now all feature the calendar popup date picker system designed for the project tools.

If you need assistance with the debugging information, submit a new thread here (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=117) and you will be able to receive assistance.

[Ohiosweetheart]

UGH!! I have a very heavily-modified skin on my site and don't know what to do with my forumhome template. :(

[Kier]

The installation process is downright pathetic, a relic of the 1980s. Basic shareware, for example, will often have a superior update method.

You need an intelligent installer, Web-based, that would simply download the correct files, and handle the upgrade with as little manual intervention as possible. Anytime you add manual labor, you increase the risk for error, and the need for extra support to solve the problems that result.We could do that right now if we considered it to be the best way to do it but we don't for one simple reason: Any web-based system that downloads script files and overwrites existing application files requires by definition that the web server has access to alter or remove the files that run the system, which represents a massive security risk. We always recommend that the web server is prevented from executing scripts anywhere that it has write access because to allow this is to allow any badly-written script to be hacked into doing disasterous things to your server.

[esfron]

Is it just me or are the page loading slower than vb364 ? Of the order of 1-2 seconds.

[BarryoBrien]

do I have to upgrade to 3.6.5 first? or is it included in 3.6.6?

my download keeps failing? probley server use

[jeffinj]

Ok. Its been 2 looong days since the vBulletin announced its latest release. How long is it going to take for the next one? :D

Just kiding.

[pepito69]

Thank you vBulletin for this awesome update, hope to install some day!

[theOZer]

Upgraded from v3.6.5. My first upgrade. Small forum, < 100 members.
Forum is now up and running; all looks well.
Upgrade did hang on me in Step 3/5 Language. Got away with Stop, Refresh (after a 10 minute wait while the browser activity meter twirled), and the upgrade then continued, finished.
Previously installed in vB365, Shoutbox v2.1 appears to be working okay in vB366.
No complaints.
Salute to vBulletin!

[Floris]

Ok. Its been 2 looong days since the vBulletin announced its latest release. How long is it going to take for the next one? :D

Just kiding.
Subscribe to the announcement forum for a instant, daily or weekly digest and find out when there's a new release out - without having to visit the forums everyday :)

[---MAD---]

Please submit a support ticket with phpMyAdmin access and ask for it to be assigned to me. Your template table was missing a crucial index already.
I get that error was well - support staff looking into it :).

[Axel Foley]

Upgrade was flawless...:D

I have 9 products installed and everything seems to be working...:)

I love the product/plugin/hook system...I love vB...;)

Keep up the great work guys...;)

[TheWhite]

Can a partial(manual) upgrade come out?

[Ohiosweetheart]

Upgrade was flawless...:D

I wish I could say the same. This has been a major P.I.T.A. :rolleyes:
I wish we could just take out or add the changes to forumhome manually, rather than having to revert the template and lose all of our customizations :confused:

[Kier]

I wish I could say the same. This has been a major P.I.T.A. :rolleyes:
I wish we could just take out or add the changes to forumhome manually, rather than having to revert the template and lose all of our customizations :confused:
You can - the changes are detailed in the release announcement:

Removed <script> tag containing log_out() function and moved it to clientscript/vbulletin_global.js. Calls to log_out() now replaced with log_out('$vbphrase[sure_you_want_to_log_out]')

[Inaam]

is there a script or file we cud download with instructions to update our skin changes?

[---MAD---]

You can - the changes are detailed in the release announcement:
I have reported a bug I have noticed in 3.6.6.

Btw, about the upgrade, support staff told me to simply move to step 2, I guess theres no fix for that. Its strange that its not fixable and only happened to a few people.

[RvG]

We could do that right now if we considered it to be the best way to do it but we don't for one simple reason: Any web-based system that downloads script files and overwrites existing application files requires by definition that the web server has access to alter or remove the files that run the system, which represents a massive security risk. We always recommend that the web server is prevented from executing scripts anywhere that it has write access because to allow this is to allow any badly-written script to be hacked into doing disasterous things to your server.

By the way, SMF did it already. :(

With few clicks, and whoala, any available upgrade/update is done within seconds.

Hope to see the same way perhaps. :)

[Floris]

Yep, various software solutions use this method, they require the end user to give read write and execute permissions to most if not all of their forum directories. Thus being prone to malicious attacks due to the end-user not 100% understanding how this system works and sometimes opening up their whole web site, their forum, or specific files that shouldn't be world read/write/executable.

[PossumX]

Upgraded smoothly. Encountered template revision needs, but were expected due to customization and mods. A few bumps, but they were my doing from mods. EXCELLENT WORK, yet again !!

[Mark.B]

This might be me misreading things, but there are template hooks added into the USERCP template, yet these are not listed under "Mandatory Changes".

Or were these added in a previous release and I missed then?

[ChrisGuthrie.net]

Dang... and I just got done paying a designer to do a new skin and upgrade my vBulletin to 3.65 :(

Back to the admin cp I go...

[minx]

Thanx vB always a pleasure never a chore... i see people having to update their skins etc...which is why i try to design mine with few template edits if none at all :D

-M

[Ohiosweetheart]

You can - the changes are detailed in the release announcement:
I know they are, Kier, thanks. It says to remove the script tag containing the logout function. I'm not a coder and there are a couple of instances of logout, so I'm very afraid that I'm going to screw it up.

If I knew what verbiage to look for, I would do it in a heartbeat.

[mikeinjersey]

Whatever happened to the Server CPU information that appears on the Admin CP home page ? (0.05 , 0.11, 0.22 , etc ) It used to be right next to Current Users Online section. Its gone now...

[Mark.B]

Whatever happened to the Server CPU information that appears on the Admin CP home page ? (0.05 , 0.11, 0.22 , etc ) It used to be right next to Current Users Online section. Its gone now...
They changed the way it was done, and some hosts don't allow that method to be used.

Instructions for changing it back are posted in THIS (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1353419&postcount=5) post.

[sa3sa3]

Thanks.

That is why we keep continus our business with you.

you are doing a great job

[greenhybrid]

I'm confused. How do I update a template that was previously modified? The code is no longer available to do so.

[burntire]

I'm confused. How do I update a template that was previously modified? The code is no longer available to do so.


I suggest you comment all template mods and cut and past the old template in a doc prior to reverting in. Then take your customizations and insert them into the new template.

[Gene Steinberg]

I suggest you comment all template mods and cut and past the old template in a doc prior to reverting in. Then take your customizations and insert them into the new template.

I'd like you to listen to yourself, and see if you begin to understand the problem with the upgrade process and that something needs to be done to address this.

Imagine someone with 20 or 30 template mods having to manually copy and paste revisions from the old template to the new and also consider the fact that it's easy to make mistakes along the way.

Peace,
Gene

[jw791]

Thanks. Upgrade went smooth.

I really appreciate the list of image files that are new so I don't have to overwrite custom images.

All, pay attention to the new "YUI" directory under the clientscript directory. I missed it the first time around and this is what gives you the "dropdown" calendar in the admin. You have to add this new folder.

[burntire]

I'd like you to listen to yourself, and see if you begin to understand the problem with the upgrade process and that something needs to be done to address this.

Imagine someone with 20 or 30 template mods having to manually copy and paste revisions from the old template to the new and also consider the fact that it's easy to make mistakes along the way.

Peace,
Gene

I have a ton of template mods. They are all commented in the code and the modified code is in txt docs as a backup. I would really like to know what your solution is when a template must updated with a new version? The only solution I see is to add the mods to the new template unless you have a magical way of doing things.
Listen to yourself also.

[miner]

Upgraded my styles demo board, works fine and now working on updating my free 50+ vB skins to 3.6.6 oops!

[sniper910]

now i got to get to vb

[MThornback]

The template edits killed me....but it was worth it :D clean and reliable :D thanks folks!

[sniper910]

yep

[Reeve of Shinra]

I'm confused. How do I update a template that was previously modified? The code is no longer available to do so.

Big fan of the site, excellent stuff and came as a big help when researching my new car last year!

As for your issue:

Click on link to view your out of date templates.

You will see the template name and then three links
[Edit Template]
[View History]
[Revert]

Open edit template and revert in a new window.

Copy Paste the contents of both into a file comparison program like beyondcompare ($30 or so) or winmerge (open source)

Then look for your changes and copy them over.

You have some heavilly modified templates like the header though so you may have to spend more time on that.

[Gene Steinberg]

I have a ton of template mods. They are all commented in the code and the modified code is in txt docs as a backup. I would really like to know what your solution is when a template must updated with a new version? The only solution I see is to add the mods to the new template unless you have a magical way of doing things.
Listen to yourself also.

Smart programmers can make smart installers. This manual labor stuff is for the birds, and I'm surprised so few are complaining. This isn't shareware or open source. It's a commercial product, and should have an installer that's capable of properly detecting modified templates and either incorporating the changes in the new template or giving the user the opportunity to reexamine the changes and make the appropriate alterations with proper guidance.

Manual labor means mistakes can happen. That can be critical with a busy board.

Peace,
Gene

[Dream]

There was a nice suggestion on this thread, making an automatic template updater, that uses the template diff system.

A system like that would make me soo happy, would make all template updates for me. I think it would work with at least 50% of the people that has template edits.

[Gene Steinberg]

There was a nice suggestion on this thread, making an automatic template updater, that uses the template diff system.

A system like that would make me soo happy, would make all template updates for me. I think it would work with at least 50% of the people that has template edits.

It should be part of a global upgrade installer that handles all the chores for you. This can be done on a Web-based basis, meaning you'd click on a link at the publisher's site, to launch the installer. Enter your information and the location of your board, and it does the rest.

SMF has a Web-based installer nowadays. It's not full-featured by any means, but that's open source and free.

Before someone raises the issue: I am not a programmer and I don't play one on TV. I'm a consumer technology writer and radio talk show host, but I have seen good installers at work, and I think that Jelsoft can do this if enough users demand it. We keep them in business.

Peace,
Gene

[MThornback]

I just have a question maybe the community could field?

Would this latest release (and the changes to it) contribute to template edits appearing twice despite only appearing once in the template itself?

[lonelime]

hi ....

should I just do the whole upgrade thing or just dl the non image files, and upload over the old once?

thanks

[greenhybrid]

I suggest you comment all template mods and cut and past the old template in a doc prior to reverting in. Then take your customizations and insert them into the new template.You have got to be kidding me. It's a bit presumptuous to think that every developer out there has perfect backups that are perfectly commented and can be perfectly integrated into a completely new template without any hassle. Considering every update up to this point came with actual changes provided, there was never even a need for this. And my templates are not perfectly commented and backed up and documented.

I am very frustrated and am going to have to shut down my 250,000-pageview board for a couple days just to try and sort this out.

And why, exactly, can't vBulletin document the necessary changes for the update? Especially considering I was apparently supposed to do that for my mods?

[Wynand]

There could be numerous of reasons, but why don't you have a test board if you have 250K pageviews, so your live board doesn't have to go offline?


hi ....

should I just do the whole upgrade thing or just dl the non image files, and upload over the old once?I did it without XML/Images, and its working just fine. :)
(Well, at least my users didn't report anything, and there usually are up to 5 users reporting the same thing in the same hour. :))

[seangworld]

I have a forum with 30 products installed and a custom template designed for 3.6.5. I don't think I'll be risking screwing my template up. I see nothing here (feature wise) that is going to give me more than I have with these extra products installed. After the theme developer releases a 3.6.6 version then I'll upgrade.

I do not like the idea of every version having *mandatory* template changes. For those with highly customized proprietary themes this is an enormous inconvenience. As for the supposed bugs, I haven't had any issue whatsoever with 3.6.5.

My biggest problem is that I am upgrade anal. I want to upgrade immediately upon every new release. The problem is that I have so many products and template changes that it's a huge hassle to. As soon as I install this upgrade 3.6.7 will be released in a week because some bug or exploit was found and then I'd be looking at having to do it all over again...

We seriously need an installer that can look at a custom template and *know* that it is a custom template. The installer should be smart enough to realize that my navbar changes and postbit changes are intentional and should *not* be overwritten.

An even better idea would be to take the most tested of the hacks (and the best) and incorporate them into the core release so all of this editing wouldn't be needed. hacks like the arcades, flashchat integration, vBAdvanced, and Links and Download manager etc are all great products. Why aren't they part of vBulletin?

i TOTALLY agree. every single time we have an upgrade, we gotta go back to the default version of vbulletin (borrrrrrring!) and wait for all the coders to post up their mods and then we have to spend a lot of time to install every hack yet AGAIN...and AGAIN...come on, jelsoft, at least incorporate some of the most popular mods available on vbulletin.org (which i know ya'll are in bed with, so to speak)...like the top 12 most installed mods of the year or something.

and, it IS nice that the software is getting updated every now and then, but as others have stated.....we havent seen any bugs or errors in previous products as of recent.

COME ON BLOG & SOCIAL NETWORKING STUFF!!!

[seangworld]

I suggest you comment all template mods and cut and past the old template in a doc prior to reverting in. Then take your customizations and insert them into the new template.


i've had a vbulletin since 2002, paid the $160 upfront and $30/year since...

do you know how many damn times ive installed the arcade, for example???? every time there's an upgrade, i have to re-install the arcade, and do so for every style and some of us have 10+ styles!!

frick i could almost recite the code to some of these hacks!!

[Mark.B]

I've got both arcades installed and I never have to touch either of them for a vBulletin upgrade.

[seangworld]

I've got both arcades installed and I never have to touch either of them for a vBulletin upgarade.

i was using the arcade as an example, can you say the same about every other hack that you've installed?

[Bob Isaac]

Jelsoft make a product that works out of the box. No need for mods. But, if anyone wants to modify their board then that is fine. When Jelsoft release an upgrade why should they be responsible for the changes you made.

Most mods work OK, some don't. And some conflict with other mod code. How can Jelsoft take all these good and bad code changes to their product into account?

I document the modifications on my board so when a template needs to be reverted then I just copy/paste them over. I did this on 18 templates for this upgrade. I set it all up on my dev site at my leisure, then did the live site upgrade in less than an hour.

I would not use a 'smart upgrade system' that requires me to open my server to the outside world. Lots of servers get hacked every day because of vulnerabilities, and the hackers are getting smarter.

Bob

[Mark.B]

i was using the arcade as an example, can you say the same about every other hack that you've installed?
Sorry, it's just that you you said:

every time there's an upgrade, i have to re-install the arcade
which plainly isn't true.

I probably have about 30 plugins, some major, some minor. The only changes I've had to make is to templates, which admittedly is a slight pain, but there's not really much can be done about that. And some plugins use automatic template edits, which I'm not really a fan of, but in most cases that avoids the template problem as well. So yes, I *can* say the same about every hack I have installed.

The one thing I *have* had to do is make some manual code alterations. These are not from formal hacks (I don't use any that need code changes) but one or two minor things I have done myself (eg adding a date started column to thread lists, or changing the default usergroup on registration). I surround these changes with // MODIFIED comment tags, so even these take no more than ten minutes to reapply.

[seangworld]

Jelsoft make a product that works out of the box. No need for mods. But, if anyone wants to modify their board then that is fine. When Jelsoft release an upgrade why should they be responsible for the changes you made.

Most mods work OK, some don't. And some conflict with other mod code. How can Jelsoft take all these good and bad code changes to their product into account?

I document the modifications on my board so when a template needs to be reverted then I just copy/paste them over. I did this on 18 templates for this upgrade. I set it all up on my dev site at my leisure, then did the live site upgrade in less than an hour.

I would not use a 'smart upgrade system' that requires me to open my server to the outside world. Lots of servers get hacked every day because of vulnerabilities, and the hackers are getting smarter.

Bob

you can chmod your /forum to 777, run the upgrade, then chmod the /forum back to what it was.

[germinus]

I have upgraded and now admincp only seems to have options for the mods I have installed, but no vb options?

[the geek]

Geez guys, think of how far the whole process has come along over the last 2 years? Anyone remember upgrading a modified board before the plugin/product system? Before there was a template history/difference system?

Yes, in a perfect world, updating would mean automatic updating of templates, code, modifications, etc... Heck, it would also mean that I would never have to even download the new package. vB should automatically update itself without me even having to come here!

The fact is, there are some things that just are not possible. It would not work to have vB automatically update all of your templates that you changed.

[BadgerDog]

You can - the changes are detailed in the release announcement:

Just so I'm clear (give me a coffee break and you have to retrain me .. :D ), if I simply take my old v3.6.4 template (exampl navbar) and add thos changes indicated in the rlease announcement, I'll then have a v3.6.6 template and don't have to do anything else?

Thanks

Regards,
Badger

[Mark.B]

Just so I'm clear (give me a coffee break and you have to retrain me .. :D ), if I simply take my old v3.6.4 template (exampl navbar) and add thos changes indicated in the rlease announcement, I'll then have a v3.6.6 template and don't have to do anything else?

Thanks

Regards,
Badger
Almost....they would be technically if you were on 3.6.5 at present.

As you're on 3.6.4 you've also got to deal with the template changes from the 3.6.5 upgrade.

if you do all those, and then do the 3.6.6 ones, then from a functional point of view you would have 3.6.6 templates, although they would still show as custom templates within your admmin panel.

[El_Muerte]

Template editing has always been an annoyance in vbulletin. But automatic it isn't a proper solution, it fails way to often and there simply isn't a very nice way to provide a 3 way merge in a web browser.

The best thing to do is get the current template, and the updated template and insert them into a nice graphical diff tool like WinMerge and then simply apply the changes. This is ofcourse only useful in case of minor template changes. With major template changes is will be a major pain in any case.
The only annoying part is that it's not easy to get the text of both templates, this is something jelsoft could easily improve.

[Ati2]

Almost....they would be technically if you were on 3.6.5 at present.

As you're on 3.6.4 you've also got to deal with the template changes from the 3.6.5 upgrade.

As far as I know, there were no template changes in 3.6.5, it was just a security release.

[Mark.B]

As far as I know, there were no template changes in 3.6.5, it was just a security release.
Ah, well in that case it would be ok then.

[kingele18]

Now upgraded ,

thanx vbulletin team

[germinus]

lol I posted here asking for support but seeing as I have not had a repl an only assume I have posted in the wrong area, where does one go for support with 3.6.6?

[Colin F]

Please post in the appropriate forum (3.6.x Troubleshooting)

[BadgerDog]

Almost....they would be technically if you were on 3.6.5 at present.

As you're on 3.6.4 you've also got to deal with the template changes from the 3.6.5 upgrade.

if you do all those, and then do the 3.6.6 ones, then from a functional point of view you would have 3.6.6 templates, although they would still show as custom templates within your admmin panel.

Thanks Mark.... :)

Appreciate the feedback....

Three quick questions if I may....

1. The "revert" command in AdminCp. Ignoring the upgrade use for a momet, I assume it simply takes the most previous version of a template and replaces the current version, only changing what would have been there prior to the very last SAVE event?

2. I remember the olf DOS days and there were some excellent commercial (even shareware) programs then, that would compare to code (TXT) files side by side. You could then simply hit merge one to another and it would automatically update (seemlessly integrate) "newer" changes into an existing file. Is there on you're aware of that if I bought it, I could use to easily handle and re-do my mods into the new v3.6.6 txt templates?

3. I don't have v3.6.6 installed anywhere, so where can I get specific v3.6.6 templates to look at before I start any update process? I only need the following.

Templates changed and modded according to vBulletin announcement.

These I've never modded in v3.6.4, so I assume I don't need to bother with them.

Attachmentbit
ATTACHMENTS
Contactus
Footer
forumhome_forumbit_level1_nopost
forumhome_forumbit_level1_post
forumhome_forumbit_level2_post
header
headinclude
pm_messagelistbit
postbit_attachmentthumbnail
postbit_ip
SHOWTHREAD
SHOWTHREAD_SHOWPOST
spacer_open
STANDARD_ERROR
STANDARD_REDIRECT

My v3.6.4 templates currently modded, so where can I get v3.6.6 versions?

(* means mandatory updated in v3.6.6)
(+ means optionally updated in v3.6.6)

*FORUMHOME
*navbar
*postbit
*postbit_legacy
+modifyoptions
+newreply

Thanks for any feedback...

Regards,
Badger

ps: If you'd prefer, email to badger@milsurps.com is fine.

[germinus]

Well i suggest you tell everyone else who is asking for support in this thread, or is it a case of 1 rule for 1 and nother rule for another!

[poolking]

Well i suggest you tell everyone else who is asking for support in this thread, or is it a case of 1 rule for 1 and nother rule for another!

See the little triangle with the ! in it, use it.

[greenhybrid]

Just so I'm clear (give me a coffee break and you have to retrain me .. :D ), if I simply take my old v3.6.4 template (exampl navbar) and add thos changes indicated in the rlease announcement, I'll then have a v3.6.6 template and don't have to do anything else?What indicated changes? The specification "We added an <if> statement" hardly tells us what we would need to do.

[Gene Steinberg]

Template editing has always been an annoyance in vbulletin. But automatic it isn't a proper solution, it fails way to often and there simply isn't a very nice way to provide a 3 way merge in a web browser.

The best thing to do is get the current template, and the updated template and insert them into a nice graphical diff tool like WinMerge and then simply apply the changes. This is ofcourse only useful in case of minor template changes. With major template changes is will be a major pain in any case.
The only annoying part is that it's not easy to get the text of both templates, this is something jelsoft could easily improve.

I was envisioning semi-automatic, meaning there's a threshold as to the amount of changes it could handle, or the type of changes. So, for example, I have an RSS Feed change in my nav template, plus an insert at the bottom to allow for the Global Announcement mod to function. We are talking here of two simple additions. That's surely something that could be accounted for in a smart installer.

Peace,
Gene

[TonyComix]

i love it, right away when i had to post an image, i found out it opens a new little window, it was annoying having to okay the imaging on IE

Troubles with the forum
Anyone else having any?
I keep running into these white screens and I'll have to refresh like 3 times usually
to get what I'm going too.
Its getting annoying D:<

that's a complaint from some of my members. :(
i need to fix that, is there a way?

[wizardan]

Jelsoft make a product that works out of the box. No need for mods. But, if anyone wants to modify their board then that is fine. When Jelsoft release an upgrade why should they be responsible for the changes you made.Couldn't agree more.

I waited about 24 hours and read every possible thread on every vB related forum where discussions of upgrading to 3.6.6 were occuring, including this one of course.

I read the official release notes. I took a good look at all the templates changes. I knew I was in for a lot of revert and re-code.

So I prepared. Went through my 3.6.5 templates, copied my customizations, and organized them in a folder.

Took a look at the products I have installed (in excess of twenty five).

From the moment I turned off my forums and backed up my db to the moment I went back online, three hours. Over 100 templates reverted and re-coded. Copy and paste may be boring, but hardly worth bitching and moaning and blaming Jelsoft, in my peasant opinion.

As a side note, all plug-ins and products, including the Arcade with 800 plus games functioned optimally after the upgrade.

Thanks to Jelsoft and the VB team for a solid foundation for the many upcoming new features.

[Gene Steinberg]

Couldn't agree more.

I waited about 24 hours and read every possible thread on every vB related forum where discussions of upgrading to 3.6.6 were occuring, including this one of course.

I read the official release notes. I took a good look at all the templates changes. I knew I was in for a lot of revert and re-code.

So I prepared. Went through my 3.6.5 templates, copied my customizations, and organized them in a folder.

Took a look at the products I have installed (in excess of twenty five).

From the moment I turned off my forums and backed up my db to the moment I went back online, three hours. Over 100 templates reverted and re-coded. Copy and paste may be boring, but hardly worth bitching and moaning and blaming Jelsoft, in my peasant opinion.

As a side note, all plug-ins and products, including the Arcade with 800 plus games functioned optimally after the upgrade.

Thanks to Jelsoft and the VB team for a solid foundation for the many upcoming new features.

Thank you for making my argument. 100 templates? And you don't feel that's a time-consuming chore, where mistakes might be made along the way? And if you did make a mistake, how long would it take to fix and locate which of those 100 templates you messed up?

[wizardan]

Thank you for making my argument. 100 templates? And you don't feel that's a time-consuming chore, where mistakes might be made along the way? And if you did make a mistake, how long would it take to fix and locate which of those 100 templates you messed up?
Sure, it's time consuming. As I stated.
But I simply don't recall anything in the Terms and Conditions when I purchased my license that stated Jelsoft would assume responsibility to accomodate my customizations in their product development.

I read with interest your, I believe, first post in this thread, Gene. The concept of an intelligent installer is fascinating.

[Gene Steinberg]

Sure, it's time consuming. As I stated.
But I simply don't recall anything in the Terms and Conditions when I purchased my license that stated Jelsoft would assume responsibility to accomodate my customizations in their product development.

I read with interest your, I believe, first post in this thread, Gene. The concept of an intelligent installer is fascinating.

They don't have to assume responsibility, but an intelligent installer can accommodate simple template mods without risk of problems. The harder stuff? Well, certainly integrating the mod fixer-upper process would also help you handle the final stage of the update.

Peace,
Gene

[Onimua]

They don't have to assume responsibility, but an intelligent installer can accommodate simple template mods without risk of problems. The harder stuff? Well, certainly integrating the mod fixer-upper process would also help you handle the final stage of the update.

Peace,
Gene

Right, but how many "simple" template modifications do you wish they accommodate before it becomes ridiculous? What if the installer gets confused with similar code appearing where it should and attempts to modify that instead of the correct, default code it should? What about people who just use vBulletin out of the box? Wouldn't that add extra bloat to their server then? The developers try to make upgrading at painless as possible by creating features like Hooks & Plugins and the Template Comparison/History tool, but you can't expect them to create an upgrade script that would cover every possible scenario for an upgrade.

[Gene Steinberg]

Right, but how many "simple" template modifications do you wish they accommodate before it becomes ridiculous? What if the installer gets confused with similar code appearing where it should and attempts to modify that instead of the correct, default code it should? What about people who just use vBulletin out of the box? Wouldn't that add extra bloat to their server then? The developers try to make upgrading at painless as possible by creating features like Hooks & Plugins and the Template Comparison/History tool, but you can't expect them to create an upgrade script that would cover every possible scenario for an upgrade.

That, of course, is not what I said. There would be practical limits as to what sort of mods could be handled, such as additions to the code rather than changes within the code, to cite a possible example.

This attitude I'm seeing is very much like the one we heard back in the 1980s, that real computers didn't have graphical user interfaces.

It's time to join the 21st century.

Peace,
Gene

[feldon23]

For the templates, they could certainly do Template Vectors which contain the changes from version to version.

[burntire]

Smart programmers can make smart installers. This manual labor stuff is for the birds, and I'm surprised so few are complaining. This isn't shareware or open source. It's a commercial product, and should have an installer that's capable of properly detecting modified templates and either incorporating the changes in the new template or giving the user the opportunity to reexamine the changes and make the appropriate alterations with proper guidance.

Manual labor means mistakes can happen. That can be critical with a busy board.

Peace,
Gene

I agree with you, but the current system does not provide any easy method of updating modded templates. It is very manual to say the least.

I would like to see a better system also, but for someone updating today there are not many options.

[Almiero]

Thanks
vbulletin the best :D

very nice :)

[Gene Steinberg]

I agree with you, but the current system does not provide any easy method of updating modded templates. It is very manual to say the least.

I would like to see a better system also, but for someone updating today there are not many options.

Obviously, the discussion is about fixing the system and making it work better, and more efficiently.

I'm surprised that nobody from Jelsoft has, so far at least, weighed in on this matter.

Peace,
Gene

[Colin F]

Actually, Kier responded to your initial post yesterday: http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1353228&postcount=141

[Gene Steinberg]

We could do that right now if we considered it to be the best way to do it but we don't for one simple reason: Any web-based system that downloads script files and overwrites existing application files requires by definition that the web server has access to alter or remove the files that run the system, which represents a massive security risk. We always recommend that the web server is prevented from executing scripts anywhere that it has write access because to allow this is to allow any badly-written script to be hacked into doing disasterous things to your server.

The simple solution is to make this a downloadable installer package :)

Peace,
Gene

[Wannakno]

Freakin GREAT! I love it!.
We ALWAYS update, upgrade our forum to the latest when its put out.
Then go thru the trouble of redoing our custom hacks.
in the longrun its worth it!.

THANKS VB! :)

[da420]

If you don't want to do template edits, don't upgrade - What's the problem?

Automatic template edits are not going to be the end all be all solution. And, why should they? If you aren't willing to get your hands dirty and do a little work, maybe it's time to get off the internet and find something you are interested in and willing to put a little effort forth.

I, myself, prefer template edits. I have a very well documented log of my edits, as should every admin. On the mods that do template edits I usually take out the code that does the automatic template edits because my style is full of customizations that in many cases don't allow the automatic template edits work, it's a potential security risk, and it aids in troubleshooting and debugging my templates when a problem arises.

[Gene Steinberg]

If you don't want to do template edits, don't upgrade - What's the problem?

Automatic template edits are not going to be the end all be all solution. And, why should they? If you aren't willing to get your hands dirty and do a little work, maybe it's time to get off the internet and find something you are interested in and willing to put a little effort forth.

I, myself, prefer template edits. I have a very well documented log of my edits, as should every admin. On the mods that do template edits I usually take out the code that does the automatic template edits because my style is full of customizations that in many cases don't allow the automatic template edits work, it's a potential security risk, and it aids in troubleshooting and debugging my templates when a problem arises.

Your argument is the same one they used when the Mac first came out. Get your hands dirty with DOS. Why screw around with a toy and a pretty interface?

Why indeed?

What you are saying clearly shows you are out of touch. You would have loved 1984.

Peace,
Gene

[Mark.B]

I think the current system is fine.

I wonder how many of those complaining ever had to upgrade in the pre-3.5 days, before the plugin system came in and every hack involved manual file edit.

In those days ANY upgrade for me was a couple of weeks of evening work sorting it all out, and I used to skip minor upgrades for several versions at a time due to that. I remember still being on 3.0.7 when 3.0.11 was out.

These days all my hacks need no work on an upgrade as they are plugins. A few template changes, and about five or six very minor code changes that I did myself which I have commented in the files so i can find them easily.

It's so simple compared to "the old days" that I can hardly believe people are complaining it's complicated! :o

[wizardan]

You would have loved 1984.
I did.
Great novel.

Seems to me, Gene, that while your premise is sound, and indeed interesting, you may become isolated in any potential debate on whether an intelligent installer should become stock in vBulletin by characterizing other license owners the way you did above simply because they wish to do things differently than you.

[Fusion]

This upgrade was mandatory to be able to use the new project tools, I believe
Yeah, here's hoping the beta cycle will be short, as I need the PTools post-haste! :)

Also, I'm hoping there will be some special introductory offers for long-time customers. ;)

[da420]

Your argument is the same one they used when the Mac first came out. Get your hands dirty with DOS. Why screw around with a toy and a pretty interface?

Why indeed?

What you are saying clearly shows you are out of touch. You would have loved 1984.


Rarely ever used DOS. Don't use Mac - don't need my hand held. And, Windows, well, it's Windows. That said I use Linux at home.

I'd much rather sacrifice ease of upgrade, and gain some security and ease of troubleshooting. Not to mention the excess resources the automatic template edits use.

vBulletin is a very easy to use system. vBulletin support the base vBulletin system, with their requirements - it is, after all, what you paid for. When you make template edits it is unpredictable how it will work and what kind of holes it may open. This is what you paid for, a safe, well supported, and easy to use system - and I wouldn't expect anything less.

I may be out of touch, but think about it. If you need to make alterations, I suggest researching it and you'd see it's not as easy and sugar coated as you make it seem, maybe it's not me that's out of touch.

[burntire]

Your argument is the same one they used when the Mac first came out. Get your hands dirty with DOS. Why screw around with a toy and a pretty interface?

Why indeed?

What you are saying clearly shows you are out of touch. You would have loved 1984.

Peace,
Gene

Gene you are a character. LOL

Based on your forum I am starting to think you came in on a UFO
http://theparacast.com/forums/



This subject started when someone asked how to apply mods back to a template after reverting.

The simple fact is you must do some manual work with the current system.

Comment and backup the templates that have mods.

Use a program like ExamDiff to compare the old and new templates.

Apply the mods to the new template and check the functionality.

Yes the system could be better, but the initial question was how to do it today not in a future release.

I have a bunch of mods on my site and it takes about 30 minutes on average to update to a new version of vb.

[Gene Steinberg]

Gene you are a character. LOL

This subject started when someone asked how to apply mods back to a template after reverting.

The simple fact is you must do some manual work with the current system.

Comment and backup the templates that have mods.

Use a program like ExamDiff to compare the old and new templates.

Apply the mods to the new template and check the functionality.

Yes the system could be better, but the initial question was how to do it today not in a future release.

I have a bunch of mods on my site and it takes about 30 minutes on average to update to a new version of vb.

Actually, the topic I raised was for the future, not for the present.

My current vBulletin board at www.theparacast.com/forums (http://www.theparacast.com/forums) works just fine, and I am perfectly capable of configuring the templates to accept modifications and so forth and so on.

But when I hear about people having to modify up to 100 templates, it's clearly the system needs work. It's unfortunate that we have a few people who feel that people who don't want to get their hands dirty shouldn't be on the Internet.

The purpose of these message boards systems has nothing to do with the programming and the updating process but to provide a convenient method for people to exchange information. Everything else takes a back seat.

And if Jelsoft can provide a way to make the upgrade process simpler and more reliable, great. That's the point of my discussion, and I would have hoped that at least one person here, perhaps someone with programming knowledge, would address that point and suggest ways to improve the setup.

As far as I'm concerned, people who wish to argue against simplicity and reliability only show that they may see but they do not hear. And that's very, very sad.

Peace,
Gene

[Ohiosweetheart]

......I have a bunch of mods on my site and it takes about 30 minutes on average to update to a new version of vb.30 minutes on past upgrades perhaps. Less than 30 mins for me - on past upgrades.
But, I find it hard to believe that anyone with a good number of mods, and a custom skin, was able to perform this upgrade in 30 mins.

[burntire]

Actually, the topic I raised was for the future, not for the present.

My current vBulletin board at www.theparacast.com/forums (http://www.theparacast.com/forums) works just fine, and I am perfectly capable of configuring the templates to accept modifications and so forth and so on.

But when I hear about people having to modify up to 100 templates, it's clearly the system needs work. It's unfortunate that we have a few people who feel that people who don't want to get their hands dirty shouldn't be on the Internet.

The purpose of these message boards systems has nothing to do with the programming and the updating process but to provide a convenient method for people to exchange information. Everything else takes a back seat.

And if Jelsoft can provide a way to make the upgrade process simpler and more reliable, great. That's the point of my discussion, and I would have hoped that at least one person here, perhaps someone with programming knowledge, would address that point and suggest ways to improve the setup.

As far as I'm concerned, people who wish to argue against simplicity and reliability only show that they may see but they do not hear. And that's very, very sad.

Peace,
Gene

100 template mods. That is too much work for me. I keep it simple and nice looking. Take a look if you like.
http://www.highperformancestangs.com/index.php?

[burntire]

30 minutes?? :eek: On THIS upgrade??? I find that hard to believe.

What you think it is too short or long?

[wizardan]

But when I hear about people having to modify up to 100 templates, it's clearly the system needs work. It's unfortunate that we have a few people who feel that people who don't want to get their hands dirty shouldn't be on the Internet.Yes, I reverted and edited in excess of 100 templates, over six different styles, though. A more accurate statement on my part would have reflected that in my earlier post. My main forum skin needed 34 reverts after 3.6.6.

[Gene Steinberg]

100 template mods. That is too much work for me. I keep it simple and nice looking. Take a look if you like.
http://www.highperformancestangs.com/index.php?

You make a point with which I agree. Only one of my templates had a modification I had to transfer, and our forums were offline less than 15 minutes for the whole process of installation/upgrading/modification, etc.

That doesn't change the point I've been making, which some see as some sort of threat to their existence evidently :)

Peace,
Gene

[burntire]

30 minutes on past upgrades perhaps. Less than 30 mins for me - on past upgrades.
But, I find it hard to believe that anyone with a good number of mods, and a custom skin, was able to perform this upgrade in 30 mins.

Ahh a call out. LOL

I have a system.
Download files. 1 minute
Extract the files. 1 minute
Change the config file 1 minute
Add the CMPS code to the required vb php files (3 total) 1 minute

FTP the files. Maybe 5 minute

Run the installer 1 minute

Delete the install and upgrade files 1 minute.

Apply the template mods. Maybe 10 minutes. I have all the template mods archived well and know exactly where they need to be added.

Maybe 10 more minute to check the functionality of everything.

My style is custom made by myself.

[burntire]

Yes, I reverted and edited in excess of 100 templates, over six different styles, though. A more accurate statement on my part would have reflected that in my earlier post. My main forum skin needed 34 reverts after 3.6.6.


I remember the days of a bunch of styles. That was a bunch of work.
I have 1 style total now.

[Pyrix]

If you don't want to do template edits, don't upgrade - What's the problem?

Automatic template edits are not going to be the end all be all solution. And, why should they? If you aren't willing to get your hands dirty and do a little work, maybe it's time to get off the internet and find something you are interested in and willing to put a little effort forth.

I, myself, prefer template edits. I have a very well documented log of my edits, as should every admin. On the mods that do template edits I usually take out the code that does the automatic template edits because my style is full of customizations that in many cases don't allow the automatic template edits work, it's a potential security risk, and it aids in troubleshooting and debugging my templates when a problem arises.

Especially as not every template edit is that simple. I've completely obliterated the header, navbar and footer templates on my site - i literally deleted them and rewrote them using them as a reference. I'd hate to see what an 'intelligent' rewriter would do to my poor templates - either it wouldn't do a thing or i'd end up with a mangled version somewhere between my template and the stock vBs. I suppose a find and replace might work a few times, but things could get ugly.

For example, I completely replace a form tag, adding my own css classes and my own events. Let's also say that 3.6.7 needs to change the form tag in navbar to change the css class from x to y - it could find replace on the whole form tag (which it'd never find) or it could find replace on "<form " or similar. But what if there's more than one form? It could analyse every single HTML tag, check the attributes, but that would take ages. It could display an error message if it fails, but then it might not know that it's failed. Computers are inherently stupid!

I'm sure some god awful child of satan script could be created but it would be pointless, for three reasons:
Those who really need it will be those who have most template modifications. As stated above, I have quite a few, and I'd rather do it myself than have a script do it. If I get a problem, I have a better idea of retracing my steps and solving the problem than having to guess where the 'robot' has been Artificially rubbish (could take days, or i could give up and start again doing it myself).
Those of whom the script would actually do a good job for would probably only have a few template edits, saving about 5 minutes.
Thousands of threads would appear in the support forum 'The upgrade script is broken - it didn't fix this!', 'vB is rubbish!', 'I hate vB!'. Jelsoft would not release a script that does a half arsed job - it's not their style. It would bring down their reputation for a start.'Simply stated, nothing that works well enough to be called a Jelsoft product could be created, certainly not for a long time anyway. Maybe it could be created as a hack, but I wouldn't want to use it.

Just my opinion.

Ollie

Edit: PS, although I may sound it, I'm not completely off this idea - artificial intelligence is going to be big one of these days and this is one area that could benefit. In all honesty, I wouldn't be surprised if vB had thought about it and discussed it. But the technology just doesn't exist at the moment, and won't for a long time. I'm just trying to explain why you shouldn't hope for it any time soon.

[da420]

Thanks, and very well said Pyrix. :)

[Ohiosweetheart]

Ahh a call out. LOL

I have a system.
Download files. 1 minute
Extract the files. 1 minute
Change the config file 1 minute
Add the CMPS code to the required vb php files (3 total) 1 minute

FTP the files. Maybe 5 minute

Run the installer 1 minute

Delete the install and upgrade files 1 minute.

Apply the template mods. Maybe 10 minutes. I have all the template mods archived well and know exactly where they need to be added.

Maybe 10 more minute to check the functionality of everything.

My style is custom made by myself.
Like I said, on a normal upgrade, I can see it. Usually takes me far less than 30 mins to do an upgrade.

This was far from a normal upgrade.

[burntire]

Like I said, on a normal upgrade, I can see it. Usually takes me far less than 30 mins to do an upgrade.

This was far from a normal upgrade.

Went easy and fast for me. Thats the way I like it:D

[Greps]

although I do agree with everything that was said before about the currect upgrading system being crap, hardass and outdated, I don't have this particular problem simply because I don't touch my templates. ever.

this way I save myself a LOT of pain. and I change all my forums' designs by simply replacing stock graphics and tweaking CSS.

but that doesn't mean I don't care, I'd love to see vBulletin have a better ugrading script. I seriously advise Jelsoft to have a look at two of the most complex CMS products in the world - Bitrix (http://www.bitrixsoft.com/) and Typo3 (http://typo3.org/). both of them power thousands of sites, some with hundreds of thousands of visitors, both of them have streaming upgrading system and their users hardly every complain about security. it's all about how you implement it. otherwise 'security' just sounds like an excuse to not spend extra time to code something a little more complex.

[Gene Steinberg]

although I do agree with everything that was said before about the currect upgrading system being crap, hardass and outdated, I don't have this particular problem simply because I don't touch my templates. ever.

this way I save myself a LOT of pain. and I change all my forums' designs by simply replacing stock graphics and tweaking CSS.

but that doesn't mean I don't care, I'd love to see vBulletin have a better ugrading script. I seriously advise Jelsoft to have a look at two of the most complex CMS products in the world - Bitrix (http://www.bitrixsoft.com/) and Typo3 (http://typo3.org/). both of them power thousands of sites, some with hundreds of thousands of visitors, both of them have streaming upgrading system and their users hardly every complain about security. it's all about how you implement it. otherwise 'security' just sounds like an excuse to not spend extra time to code something a little more complex.

You make an excellent point. In addition, the installer would require that you enter your customer ID and your serial number, so there's at least a measure of verification before it downloads anything to your site.

That, and proper coding, ought to eliminate any serious security issue.

Peace,
Gene

[@ngel]

Isn't there a patch for this update?

[Gene Steinberg]

Isn't there a patch for this update?

I take it you didn't read the upgrade instructions, then.

Peace,
Gene

[seangworld]

I think the current system is fine.

I wonder how many of those complaining ever had to upgrade in the pre-3.5 days, before the plugin system came in and every hack involved manual file edit.

In those days ANY upgrade for me was a couple of weeks of evening work sorting it all out, and I used to skip minor upgrades for several versions at a time due to that. I remember still being on 3.0.7 when 3.0.11 was out.

These days all my hacks need no work on an upgrade as they are plugins. A few template changes, and about five or six very minor code changes that I did myself which I have commented in the files so i can find them easily.

It's so simple compared to "the old days" that I can hardly believe people are complaining it's complicated! :o

actually, i've had my vb LONG before the plugin system and the only thing the plugin system helps with is installing the majority of the crap we gotta do. but we still have to go thru the navbar, still gotta go thru the forumhome, still gotta go thru the memberinfo, etc. etc.

[mtha]

:) wow great :rolleyes::cool:
i'll have some fun next week then :D

[burntire]

Also, I now have a single space on the Memberinfo template before any entry (just like you do on vb.com). I want to get rid of it to make everything look nice again :)

Has anyone figured a solution to this?

[Daky]

Hi, after upgrade to 3.6.6 i have a problem with Firefox only.
What actually happens is that every time i go "showthread.php?" and load the page, my page refresh automatically for some reason?:)

I really dont know what the problem is, and what the problem could be.

You may see it urself:

http://www.diskusije.net/showthread.php?t=3031 (http://www.diskusije.net/showthread.php?t=2366)

If user\pass needed: (vbulletin\vbulletin)

IE is ok, only Firefox.

I hope that someone here will be able to help me with this problem.

Thank you!

[Floris]

This thread is to discuss the release, please don't post support questions in it (as requested in the first post of this thread).

Start a new support ticket please.

[Floris]

Has anyone figured a solution to this?
Please start a support ticket, but my guess is to find the tag that starts it, and add style="margin-top:0;padding-top:0" and give that a try

[Daky]

Yes, sorry about that, i red it too late, you can delete my message if you wish.

[Dream]

Especially as not every template edit is that simple. I've completely obliterated the header, navbar and footer templates on my site - i literally deleted them and rewrote them using them as a reference. I'd hate to see what an 'intelligent' rewriter would do to my poor templates - either it wouldn't do a thing or i'd end up with a mangled version somewhere between my template and the stock vBs. I suppose a find and replace might work a few times, but things could get ugly.

but then you don't use the automatic "template updater", simple.

[Carlos X]

I'm happy to hear about the new release, our network will upgrade to this new version soon enough.

I can't wait to see what the changes are in this version.

[seangworld]

ok, i just went ahead and did the upgrade a day before i planned to.
it took 20 minutes from unzip to opening the forum again.

it says i have 40 templates that need to be updated or reverted, but when i look around on my site and forum (i also use vbadvanced), i dont see anything that needs to be done. it looks like well....im done.