ub2k vs vb

[bbyrd]

ok there is another board out there called ultraboard 2000 and i was wondering which one is best vb or ub2k ub2k can be found at
http://www.ub2k.com

[werehere]

This forum is just better in my mind.

[Martin]

looks like ub2k uses flat text files for database, which means it's going to encounter the same problems as UBB when it starts to build traffic.

If it's price you're looking for, I guess you want UltraBoard. If you're wanting a product you won't have to upgrade after you start getting the traffic you want, better buy this. If you buy ub2k you're going to need this eventually...

[bbyrd]

ok i use ub2k but i am very much liking this board ub2k uses .db file format and this board uses the mysql format ub2k is supposed to be making a version to support that though. . .

[Martin]

a .db file, unless it's associated with a databse proggie, is nothing moe than a text file with a diff extension, much like the .cgi files that UBB uses.

[bbyrd]

Originally posted by bbyrd
ok i use ub2k but i am very much liking this board ub2k uses .db file format and this board uses the mysql format ub2k is supposed to be making a version to support that though. . .
also they are re-formatting there codes to be a bit faster

[werehere]

It will surely not be able to compete with the performance of this type of forum that is running PHP and MySQL!

[Menno]

cgi/mySQL is slower then php/mySQL :)

[bbyrd]

i very much so agree with that but there is one good thing about ub2k they have a "personal edition" and it's free!!!
the only bad thing is it has more bugs than windows 2000 (but they are re-makeing it to offer better performance)

[Edited by bbyrd on 04-30-2000 at 10:26 AM]

[werehere]

I believe they are planning on offering a free version here as well.

[Mafukie]

Originally posted by werehere
I believe they are planning on offering a free version here as well.

FreeWare version.

[klisis]

Please compare cgi based board to cgi based boards.
It's php/mySQL based board,right? It won't be fair to compare this board to cgi/perl based boards.

Thank you.

[Martin]

why do that when you're trying to show the advantages over using a plain perl board?

[SonnetCelestial]

Why is that not fair when these two boards are in the same market? I mean... I like perl myself however sometimes you've got to bite the bullet and realize you can't always stay at one thing forever. Yes perl is still much more popular than mysql but why is it unfair when we are comparing two boards?

If one engine is faster use it, unless the engine stalls a heck of a lot more then the other one. You have freedom to use whatever language you want. The only reason why you would really care too much about the engine is
a) if you don't know how to code in it
b) if your server does not support it
c) if it is very unstable

So far the biggest problems I've seen with SQL are a and b.

[klisis]

mySQL based boards have always been faster (which also means better) than plain text based database(Like most of perl boards do)

So , this board is faster than any of plain text based boards. You do not need to compare. It is better. that's true.

[Menno]

yes, but we're comparing boards, not scripting languages ;)

[JohnM]

This forum is AWESOME, specifically w/ the permissions thing. Only wish I had it. :(

[bbyrd]

ok UB2k has released a mysql version at http://beta.ub2k.com/MySQL/UltraBoard.cgi
and it is fast :)

[werehere]

Seems faster than it used to be, but it is still perl, which I dont like, but it is looking improved:)

[Mafukie]

Originally posted by werehere
Seems faster than it used to be, but it is still perl, which I dont like, but it is looking improved:)

you mean you never liked PERL? what did you like before MySQL and PHP came out? :)

[werehere]

No that is not what I said at all.

He is looking for a comparison between the two forums in this thread. I personally like the PHP version better than the one running perl, and it will be easier on my server and faster as well, unless it is possibly running mod_perl, and even then I would be voting for PHP!

That is what I meant:)

[klisis]

You should say "I profer PHP."

[werehere]

No, I should say "I prefer PHP":)

[klisis]

oh ya:P sorry for the spelling.

[werehere]

I am just giving you a hard time:)

[klisis]

I will try to enjoy the hard time if I am able:)

[Menno]

Does this make any sence? ;)

[werehere]

Does this make any sence?


Who is that directed to?

[Mafukie]

*Closes Thread*

[stingray]

If you compare PHP/mySQL to Perl/mySQL, yes, the PHP board will most likely be faster.

However, to be fair, you also have to realize that the vast majority of users out there do not have PHP/mySQL access, so this board will only be usable by a limited (albeit growing) market.

Regardless, even though this board is a UBB clone, it seems to be well done and is quite possibly the fastest board I've seen. For those that **DO** have PHP/mySQL, it's nice.

[Menno]

It was directed to klisis

and this board couldn't possibly be a clone, it's not written in perl ;)
The layout looks similair, but that's a different story

[Jimmydapimp]

well, when you say ultraboard is better, it gives out your age and understanding about technology.

If you think ultraboard is better, there might be two possiblities --
1) you are a teenager
2) you are not a real programmer

First, it is unlikely ultraboard will be able to handle a high traffic site.

Second, lets look at the searching feature in ubb and ultraboard. You are telling me that a search engine uses liner searching rather than binary searching is efficient?

As for vb, I can't tell you it is good or not, because I have never tried it. However, it does seem to have some promising features.

After all, I would perfer jsp as my own point of view.

I am not trying to insult anybody here. If this message does insult anybody, I apologist here in advance.

[bbyrd]

Originally posted by Jimmydapimp
well, when you say ultraboard is better, it gives out your age and understanding about technology.

If you think ultraboard is better, there might be two possiblities --
1) you are a teenager
2) you are not a real programmer

First, it is unlikely ultraboard will be able to handle a high traffic site.

Second, lets look at the searching feature in ubb and ultraboard. You are telling me that a search engine uses liner searching rather than binary searching is efficient?

As for vb, I can't tell you it is good or not, because I have never tried it. However, it does seem to have some promising features.

After all, I would perfer jsp as my own point of view.

I am not trying to insult anybody here. If this message does insult anybody, I apologist here in advance.

for your info i am a perl programmer not as advanced as ub but still i can program in perl.

second ub just released a new version with mysql support and a lot more features tham the last one

third ubb sucks eveyone on this board should agree with me (ok not everyone) but still it takes for ever to search a topic on ubb and just a few seconds on ub2k

forth i like both vb and ub but im have no idea about php (like i said before i code in perl not in php)

thanks

[Jimmydapimp]

For one to be consiered as a real programmer, one must know more topics such as, interface, listners, linked list, threads, etc. However, to be a computer scientist isn't about programming, because almost everybody can program. Computer science is really about teaching one to think, the ability to accept new technologies, and ability to create new technologies.

I make no comment about whether ubb sucks or not, but it does have less bugs than ultraboard. UBB resently increaes its price to $200. And when customers complain about the price on their message board, the staff basically tell the customers to shut up then close the topic.

Ultrboard started as a semi open source project. However, it betrayed all of their loyal users at the end. A long time ago, I read something like "Ultraboard will never cost money!" posted by one of ultarboard's stuff. The way ultraboard do things is childlish, but it isn't a big suprise anymore since I discovered the main programmer of ultrboard seemss to be a high school junior.

It is a shame that both ubb and ultraboard start to become money sucking vampires without caring about their customers.

Here are some of my recommandations:

php board:
VB. I don't think I need to explain why, because you are all viewing it right now.

perl board:
I am not a big fan of mysql when I look into message boards, because connecting to a sql database uses for resource than opening a flat text file when you do some simple things.

wwwthreads - The board is quite fast. Good choice when your site doesn't allow php. However, I don't really like its board layout.
http://www.wwwthreads.com/perl/postlist.pl?Cat=&Board=questions

cgi-factory - their old commericial board wasn't that impressive. However, the beta board they are testing at their tech support section seems to be promising. It has less fansy features, because it is targeted at high traffic sites. So some people may not like it.
http://www.cgi-factory.com/cgi-bin/system/messages/view.pl?board=board1

asp board:
fusetalk - good choice when php is not available on your server. However, the price is really high if you want to see the source code. It uses cold fusion.
http://www.e-zonemedia.com/forum/index.cfm

[Shaman]

Perl, even mod_perl, is heavyweight. I won't host it, and I don't use it. It won't handle high-output systems without serious hardware and hand-optimizing that would make an assembler freak chuckle.

The only working high-use mod_perl app that I can think of is slashcode, and it has a boatload of hardware behind it - hell it has two four-processor PIII-733 machines just to run MySQL the last time I looked... or maybe things have changed yet again.

Want to be convinced? On Solaris (sparc),

app sizes:

PHP4, Optimizer, Apache, Running TWIG app as I capture -
7088K, 5400K of which is resident in shared objects

mod_perl, Perl5.006, Apache, NOT RUNNING AN APP -
9812K, 2104K of which is resident in shared objects


Where shared objects means libnsl.so, libsocket.so, libphp.so, etc. and indicates that memory use is really shared between applications.

In other words, mod_perl uses up resources like a mad thing.

[Edited by Shaman on 06-12-2000 at 03:20 PM]

[bbyrd]

Originally posted by Jimmydapimp
For one to be consiered as a real programmer, one must know more topics such as, interface, listners, linked list, threads, etc. However, to be a computer scientist isn't about programming, because almost everybody can program. Computer science is really about teaching one to think, the ability to accept new technologies, and ability to create new technologies.

I make no comment about whether ubb sucks or not, but it does have less bugs than ultraboard. UBB resently increaes its price to $200. And when customers complain about the price on their message board, the staff basically tell the customers to shut up then close the topic.

Ultrboard started as a semi open source project. However, it betrayed all of their loyal users at the end. A long time ago, I read something like "Ultraboard will never cost money!" posted by one of ultarboard's stuff. The way ultraboard do things is childlish, but it isn't a big suprise anymore since I discovered the main programmer of ultrboard seemss to be a high school junior.

It is a shame that both ubb and ultraboard start to become money sucking vampires without caring about their customers.

Here are some of my recommandations:

php board:
VB. I don't think I need to explain why, because you are all viewing it right now.

perl board:
I am not a big fan of mysql when I look into message boards, because connecting to a sql database uses for resource than opening a flat text file when you do some simple things.

wwwthreads - The board is quite fast. Good choice when your site doesn't allow php. However, I don't really like its board layout.
http://www.wwwthreads.com/perl/postlist.pl?Cat=&Board=questions

cgi-factory - their old commericial board wasn't that impressive. However, the beta board they are testing at their tech support section seems to be promising. It has less fansy features, because it is targeted at high traffic sites. So some people may not like it.
http://www.cgi-factory.com/cgi-bin/system/messages/view.pl?board=board1

asp board:
fusetalk - good choice when php is not available on your server. However, the price is really high if you want to see the source code. It uses cold fusion.
http://www.e-zonemedia.com/forum/index.cfm

did you hear me or not i said they where coming out with a new version & they plan to re-release the free version

[Jimmydapimp]

Indeed, they "said" so, but has anyone actually got anything that they said.

[bbyrd]

Originally posted by Jimmydapimp
Indeed, they "said" so, but has anyone actually got anything that they said.
it has already been released in beta to standrad members
when they work the bugs out the free one will be right behind it



[Edited by bbyrd on 06-12-2000 at 04:06 PM]

[Jimmydapimp]

well. grow up.

[bbyrd]

If you think ub is bad will check em out now http://www.ub2k.com