Community-driven user profiles on Invision

[jeffinj]

I just read that Invision has redone their profile pages to give it a myspace lite look. (Community-driven user profile)
Isnt it time vB offer such solutions? I know that we've been discussing this a lot, but are there any updates on this issue from the vb staff?

[Dilly]

Please no.

[jeffinj]

Please no.

May I ask you why? :eek:

[ManagerJosh]

I think some community functionality is definitely needed, however I simply disagree with the approach IPB has taken. It seems to have followed the trends of MySpace and I personally feel MySpace is one of the worst forms of community driven functionality. Cluttered, disorganized, and utter chaos.

I prefer something along the lines of Facebook :). Concepts are sound, well rounded, and a lot more well developed.

[Booth]

What is facebook?

I've got to say that the current profiles aren't very good and don't get used much on my site.

I trialled phpfox for 3 months and everyone loved the profiles but hated the forums... :rolleyes:

Now if we could just have both ;)

[Caiman]

I don't know if we risk turning the software into something that is trying hard to... be something it isn't. Though I'm sure people said the same at the integration of calenders and so on into vBulletin. Social Networking, and MySpace like profiles... don't work for everyone. If it gets built in as a fully optional and scalable function then I won't say no, but I can help but think having more and more superfluous functionallity will affect those of us who won't use it by driving up the cost.

[Floris]

Gosh, that profile page is bloated, very confusing.

[KrON]

Gosh, that profile page is bloated, very confusing.

I agree, it is confusing, but it has some redeeming features. The vBulletin profile by default is bland, and not really that useful.

Look at the popularity of myspace, facebook, even livejournal profile pages. Community is formed when people can relate to others through shared interests and vBulletin is missing the functionality to enable such "social" interaction.

Zoints local is "ok" but I would much rather go with an integrated solution. Having users spend time on your site pimping their profiles, and looking at other profiles is what we're after right? Giving users a place to make their own, to customize to some extent and to share information about themselves would really add to the sense of community imo.

[jeffinj]

Since IPB has taken this step, it is understood that they moving away from their core product which might in turn result in lots of messed up products. But in the end of the day, if they can get more customers out of this, they will grow and they will have sufficient funds to employ more coders for their core products.

vBulletin has always had a first mover advantage and it should continue capitalizing on this strategy. Change is important whether you like it or not. Efficiency will follow. We need to be more competitive and vB has a good chance of keeping or growing its market share.

[TygerTyger]

If vBulletin profiles end up looking like MySpace, I'm leaving.

Community enhancements are one thing and no doubt a positive thing to. MySpace is an exercise in how to do it really badly. I see no link to IPB's version so I can't comment, however I would say that community profiles need to:

Cut down the bloat, majorly. Limit what can be put in comments, limit the size of the comments, limit how many comments show up before going to another page to read them all. How many images should a person be able to put in a custom image section? What size? Limit, limit, limit. Etc.

Cut down on the custom designs. A lot. 1 in 10,000 well-made custom pages is not worth the extra options. Customisation yes, but in a limited sense.

Some things just do not need to be on a profile page. Allow a user to not only limited what goes on their own page, but what they see when viewing other pages.

Reorganise the layout. Completely. MySpace is cluttered and over-informative with lousy aesthetics and graphics. vBulletin may not be an aesthetic masterpiece but at least it doesn't invite migraine.

I'm sure there's more, but that's my general opinion. I can't imagine Jelsoft ever imitating something as crude as MySpace, but I think people always look to the same things for ideas rather than expanding or altering what they see mentally for improvements.

[jeffinj]

If vBulletin profiles end up looking like MySpace, I'm leaving.
Community enhancements are one thing and no doubt a positive thing too.

I dont like myspace either but in my opinion some sort of a neater and enhanced profile page would be good. :)


I see no link to IPB's version so I can't comment


Here a sample one: http://forums.invisionpower.com/index.php?showuser=62

I dont see much responce for enhanced profile page here but there are some of who would like to see vB take a move in that direction (partly evident from zoints popularity). Its their decision anyway and this decision might be much more complex than we think it is.

[Booth]

If vBulletin profiles end up looking like MySpace, I'm leaving.

Even if it's optional? :confused:

And what is 'looking like MySpace?' They are customisable, they all look different. Perhaps that's why you want to cut down the bloat though, so that users are confined to customising and they don't end up making their myspace look like an Australians worst nightmare :D

Community enhancements are one thing and no doubt a positive thing to. MySpace is an exercise in how to do it really badly. I see no link to IPB's version so I can't comment, however I would say that community profiles need to...(snip)

I'm sure there's more, but that's my general opinion. I can't imagine Jelsoft ever imitating something as crude as MySpace, but I think people always look to the same things for ideas rather than expanding or altering what they see mentally for improvements.

No one is asking for Jelsoft to imitate MySpace, but what my users really enjoyed from PHPFox was the ability to allow people to sign their profile guestbooks, to add people to their friends list and to have a personal gallery which is linked to their profile. The profiles also had a much nicer layout and I was surprised to find that this made more people fill in their profile details.

Lots of forum members like to create an identity on forums. VB has lots of options with regards to avatars, a profile pic and now signatures. Keep this up, people enjoy creating an online identity, it's not just about posting on a forum.

I just feel that the profiles need a overhaul, that way they would at least get used, which is kinda the point isn't it? If that means heading in a slightly more social network kind of thing I'm all for it.

But that said I hope if Jelsoft do this at some point, they do a better job than MySpace.

I dont like myspace either but in my opinion some sort of a neater and enhanced profile page would be good. :)

Ditto!

I dont see much responce for enhanced profile page here but there are some of who would like to see vB take a move in that direction (partly evident from zoints popularity).

And over at Vbulletin.org there's a lot of interest in the modified profile templates ;)

[---MAD---]

I think things like this should be an addon product produced by vbulletin instead of part of the forum software.

Omg, I just looked at the IPB profiles. WHAT A MESS! Its disgusting! It has amazing things but just badly set out and also abit bulky for some (ie latest visitors table), its huge for no reason.

[projectego]

Lots of forum members like to create an identity on forums. VB has lots of options with regards to avatars, a profile pic and now signatures. Keep this up, people enjoy creating an online identity, it's not just about posting on a forum.

I just feel that the profiles need a overhaul, that way they would at least get used, which is kinda the point isn't it? If that means heading in a slightly more social network kind of thing I'm all for it.
I totally agree! Well said, Booth.

[RaceJunkie]

I have to agree to disagree. I do think vB needs a better more robust profile..

I agree that MySpace is a bad thing to compare to. Most of the members know nothing about websites, and there are allot of teens just using MySpace codes from other sources.

Here (http://www.myspace.com/syrusxl) is a perfect example that MySpace can be a nice looking page, given the time and talent..

This is not my page

[Onimua]

While i do agree a redone profile would be a great idea... I don't agree going with a MySpace/IPB style layout.

[Wayne Luke]

I have seen some really good template only changes at vBulletin.org that help achieve this. Add in some custom fields and template conditionals and you can do this with the tools provided out of the box.

[yellow_spider]

As both a VB and IPB owner, i just thought id throw my bit in too. :)

The profile system can be switched off via the ACP (so it reverts to classic view as per IPB 2.1.x series) ... The "add a comment" can be set (its an option in everyones user cp) to not automatically add new comments. The rate member can be switched off in the ACP too.

The biggest issue i have heard people on about with 2.2 is the fact that your friends list (same as VB buddies) is displayed on the new style profile for all to see. Some people see this as some kind of privacy issue. And to be honest, i agree.

Footnote... My IPB board still runs the 2.1 series and i am very reluctant to move it to 2.2, to be honest i may convert this to VB and use the IPB license for something else...

[KrON]

I have seen some really good template only changes at vBulletin.org that help achieve this. Add in some custom fields and template conditionals and you can do this with the tools provided out of the box.

You don't happen to have any links handy, do you?

[Booth]

I have seen some really good template only changes at vBulletin.org that help achieve this. Add in some custom fields and template conditionals and you can do this with the tools provided out of the box.

Hi Wayne. Glad to see you're reading all of this ;)

The only problem I have with changing the templates is that I have done this before, and I had to do it for every theme.

Also if you want your buddy list displaying on there and linked, that's another mod to install. If you want a guestbook on the profile that's another mod to install...

Then you upgrade to the latest version of Vbulletin and start all over again. It's quite complicated compared to installing a product or plug-in.

I hope you can see my point to why this isn't an attractive option.

I still feel that the profiles need looking at in order to better serve the end users, to allow them to create an identity that other members can view and get a better idea of who they are communicating with. I believe it can be done better than MySpace and agree that MySpace isn't an ideal solution but as an example it can be taken apart and used as a model for what, and what not to do. Same with the IPB profiles.

Even if it meant VB releasing a plug-in/product I would be sold. Paying for and installing a plug-in is much better than having to change templates for every theme and install guestbook and friends list mods.

[Floris]

I believe Wayne's just saying it is already possible with vBulletin. Our staff are aware of this thread and the developers will review customer suggestions when they do their R&D for the future releases and consider it.

[Booth]

Excellent, this is why I love Vbulletin ;)

[Ascor]

I believe Wayne's just saying it is already possible with vBulletin. Our staff are aware of this thread and the developers will review customer suggestions when they do their R&D for the future releases and consider it.

Yeahhh halleluya very good news, finnaly somethings to read who bring hope back :D
Thank you Floris

[biggazillakilla]

I also think that a lot of the existing community features are greatly overlooked because of their implementation.

For example, why do people digg articles like monkies on coke, but getting users to rate threads is almost impossible? And why do people on facebook or myspace comment one another ad nauseum, but people almost never use the existing user notes in vB?

[KrON]

Yeahhh halleluya very good news, finnaly somethings to read who bring hope back :D
Thank you Floris

Not to dash your hopes, but that is pretty much a blanket "thank you for your input" statement..

[void]

Here a sample one: http://forums.invisionpower.com/index.php?showuser=62



I like the blog idea!

[Ascor]

Not to dash your hopes, but that is pretty much a blanket "thank you for your input" statement..
Argggg your right !! english is not my native langage i read to speedy and read wrong, thank's for the wak-up :)

I have seen some really good template only changes at vBulletin.org that help achieve this. Add in some custom fields and template conditionals and you can do this with the tools provided out of the box.

You don't happen to have any links handy, do you?

Same question here, please give us link with some example...

Our staff are aware of this thread and the developers will review customer suggestions when they do their R&D for the future releases and consider it.

Someday i ask me how meany time you say this in 2006 just about interactive profile lol

[Wayne Luke]

You don't happen to have any links handy, do you?
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=109094&highlight=myspace

[Ascor]

Are you serious ?
You say first "I have seen some really good template only changes at vBulletin.org"

and now showing a mod who require a lot of modification !!

Installation: Please install the following hacks!
vBJournal
Who Viewed My Profile
Friends and/or Buddies in Profile
Zodiac Sign in the Postbit and Elsewhere
Last Seen Online in postbit
Hide User Contact Info From Guests
Default Avatar
Pig's Subscription Gift (only if you use paid subscriptions)
Auto PM after add Buddy! (Optional)
Number of VBA Gallery Images in Profile


And before i jump in so a mod what's happend when tommorow the coder decide to leave coding for personal raison ?

[KrON]

Are you serious ?
You say first "I have seen some really good template only changes at vBulletin.org"

and now showing a mod who require a lot of modification !!


And before i jump in so a mod what's happend when tommorow the coder decide to leave coding for personal raison ?

Heh, not to mention, when you are done, it is nasty looking like myspace ;)

I'm not after myspace, just a tasteful implementation of some of the more common "social networking" features, maybe a revamp of the buddy system, some type of shared interests thing ala livejournal interests, etc.

[Wayne Luke]

Surely it is all customizable...

For every customer that wants these social networking built-in as default features, there is a customer who doesn't. Many customers use this software for professional support forums (like this one), not as a community tool. This is one reason why the plugin and product functionality was built into the software. To make it easier to expand and maintain. If Jelsoft offered this functionality, it could most likely ship in the same form as a plugin or product with a generic profile screen that fits the widest range of customers. And it would probably be shipped as a separate product for a fee to cover development and support costs.

Personally, I was trying to help people with an immediate workaround. It is your choice to use it or not. Everything asked for is available at vBulletin.org currently. I use some of them in my own forums. Afterall, installing plugins is often times a lot easier than editing the templates themselves.

[KrON]

Surely it is all customizable...

For every customer that wants these social networking built-in as default features, there is a customer who doesn't. Many customers use this software for professional support forums (like this one), not as a community tool. This is one reason why the plugin and product functionality was built into the software. To make it easier to expand and maintain. If Jelsoft offered this functionality, it could most likely ship in the same form as a plugin or product with a generic profile screen that fits the widest range of customers. And it would probably be shipped as a separate product for a fee to cover development and support costs.

Personally, I was trying to help people with an immediate workaround. It is your choice to use it or not. Everything asked for is available at vBulletin.org currently. I use some of them in my own forums. Afterall, installing plugins is often times a lot easier than editing the templates themselves.

My point wasn't to attack your suggestion, but rather to point out that Jelsoft's implementation of profiles is indeed generic. It's so generic that it hurts.

What people are asking for isn't an entirely new product really, just an improvement on what is surely one area of the vBulletin product that has had little, if any attention paid to it.. since vB2.

[---MAD---]

Surely it is all customizable...

For every customer that wants these social networking built-in as default features, there is a customer who doesn't. Many customers use this software for professional support forums (like this one), not as a community tool. This is one reason why the plugin and product functionality was built into the software. To make it easier to expand and maintain. If Jelsoft offered this functionality, it could most likely ship in the same form as a plugin or product with a generic profile screen that fits the widest range of customers. And it would probably be shipped as a separate product for a fee to cover development and support costs.

Personally, I was trying to help people with an immediate workaround. It is your choice to use it or not. Everything asked for is available at vBulletin.org currently. I use some of them in my own forums. Afterall, installing plugins is often times a lot easier than editing the templates themselves.
Yeah true, I agree with your post and I think we all know if a product was released for this kind of thing, it would have to be paid for.

I don't think Invision think about their business forums etc, I have seen quite a few as well but I am guessing its not a large section of their customer db.

[Booth]

Personally, I was trying to help people with an immediate workaround. It is your choice to use it or not. Everything asked for is available at vBulletin.org currently. I use some of them in my own forums. Afterall, installing plugins is often times a lot easier than editing the templates themselves.

If the template mods at Vb.org were a plugin/product and guestbook, friends and all the other mods were installed, along with template mods at the same time I'd install it. At the moment it's just far too demanding a modification. Like I said I've tried it, then when I upgraded to the next version of Vbulletin I didn't want to have to go through it all again. Toughest mod on there yet in my opinion.

I'd love to see a product appear with Jelsofts name on it. Then businesses and community admins will be happy.

[Quillz]

I think that a push towards social networking should be introduced in a future version of vB, although it should strive to be different from the way IPS implemented it. Not that their method was bad by any means, but perhaps Jelsoft should try to link users together in different ways. Instead of just through a profile, why not promote better integration with various CMS?

[biggazillakilla]

By the way, what is the poll question anyway?

Do we a community based solution?

Do we have a community based solution?

Do we need a community based solution?

[jeffinj]

By the way, what is the poll question anyway?



Do we have a community based solution?

Do we need a community based solution?

Do we need a community based solution? Sorry about the typo.

[Floris]

Yeahhh halleluya very good news, finnaly somethings to read who bring hope back :D
Thank you Floris
By your overexcitement let me explain this a bit.

- What I said was that all customer feedback is always reviewed by the developers. They do this when they start working on new versions. That is why we have the feedback and suggestion forum. This thread is in that forum.

- I did not promise anything. This feature might as well not be included at all. Or become available at all, or perhaps 5 versions down the road.

This has always been the policy, for every customer feedback. I was just highlighting this in this thread, as I had the impression customers got the idea the developers were ignoring them. But that is not the case, they're not. They can't respond to every post made. That's all. Perhaps they have already read this discussion thread, perhaps they will tomorrow or next month or in a year from now.

[simsim]

...Jelsoft's implementation of profiles is indeed generic. It's so generic that it hurts.

What people are asking for isn't an entirely new product really, just an improvement on what is surely one area of the vBulletin product that has had little, if any attention paid to it.. since vB2.
Well said. I 100% agree.

[ManagerJosh]

Do we need a community based solution? Sorry about the typo.
vBulletin is a community based solution.

[Grover]

What people are asking for isn't an entirely new product really, just an improvement on what is surely one area of the vBulletin product that has had little, if any attention paid to it.. since vB2.

Yup, unfortunately I agree. That's why I posted this collection of suggestions:
Improvements for the User Profile Field System (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=179108)

From the first 6 most important suggestions in that thread only the first one has been implemented so far. A must improved Profile System is sooooo needed.

[Ascor]

Surely it is all customizable...
For every customer that wants these social networking built-in as default features, there is a customer who doesn't.
This can be made switch off in acp or Jelsfot can perhaps sale a plugin


This is one reason why the plugin and product functionality was built into the software. To make it easier to expand and maintain.
This is working great now so what else with some professionnal and commercial plug in ?
Is this in plan or whas the plugin functionality built just for 3rd partie and you decide to concentrate developpement of the forum only ?


If Jelsoft offered this functionality, it could most likely ship in the same form as a plugin or product with a generic profile screen that fits the widest range of customers. And it would probably be shipped as a separate product for a fee to cover development and support costs.

No problem but please not in 2 year, bether profil are request since 2005 :)


Personally, I was trying to help people with an immediate workaround. It is your choice to use it or not.
Thank's for help and discution about this point :)


Everything asked for is available at vBulletin.org currently. I use some of them in my own forums.
Not true there is no professional solution at vbulletin.org, perhaps this one at the site of a coder
http://www.visionscripts.com/?page=products&vsproductid=8
a very good and nice product with professional support but to bad...this plug-in is encrypted



installing plugins is often times a lot easier than editing the templates themselves.

Sure it's very the best solution for non coder people (a lot of your customer)
But the first probleme is wen all is working and a new version of vbulletin come out, you have the risk that your plug-in is dead because the coder have no more time to support it
I can not afford my member to loose anything this is why a proffesional solution is needed

And the secon and IMO the most important point before i make consideration for a 3rd party
solution, i must be sure what is the position of jelsfot at this point:
"Are the Developpeur makin someting or not in the way of socialnetwork for profil"

During search in this forum i have find very good and constructive discution with good argumentation and you can believe me after this all, i dont find ANY indication if this is in consideration or not from developpeur ..
All the disctution are simply ignored the only position is what you can read in Floris post :)

---

By your overexcitement
This is because excitement are contagious ^^
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1275881&postcount=21


I had the impression customers got the idea the developers were ignoring them.
But that is not the case, they're not
-----
Perhaps they have already read this discussion thread, perhaps they will tomorrow or next month or in a year from now

So what sould i thing now ?
We are not ignored but perhaps no dev are read the thread ? :)
Yes perhaps this is the true lol, no dev have never read something about this question
since 2 year this is heavy request at this forum and at vbulletin.org lol
(i make some fun, i understand what you thinks but your explication are just no more credible ;))

[guyanesereunions]

I'm happy with Zoints. Honestly, it's good enough. The fact that users get to chose their own 'blocks' to display instead of having to fill out ones that we put in make them happy and satisfied. And, added to the fact that they can design there own profile style makes each profile unique.Maybe some day they can add a few more features but for now Zoints is fine.

[Comtech]

The zoints profile system is seriously lacking when compared to the IPB profile system. I really like their new look for their profile system! Hopefully Jelsoft will take the infinitive & build upon that idea, come back with Vbulletin 4.0 with an improved version without charging loyal license holders extra for something that should be offered as a default feature.

[---MAD---]

The zoints profile system is seriously lacking when compared to the IPB profile system. I really like their new look for their profile system! Hopefully Jelsoft will take the infinitive & build upon that idea, come back with Vbulletin 4.0 with an improved version without charging loyal license holders extra for something that should be offered as a default feature.
I really dislike their look actually. Its just a mess and everything is squeezed in.

[Rob B]

I do not want a social networking thing like IPB have done, nor anything over elaborate and dynamic, I would just like to see the Profile page get redesigned and given a bit of a face lift because I really don't like the look of it at the moment. It is just an unattractive big mound of boxes and think Jelsoft for all their brilliance could do better.

[---MAD---]

You can see from the poll people want community driven profiles ;).

[sabret00the]

I dont like myspace either but in my opinion some sort of a neater and enhanced profile page would be good. :)



Here a sample one: http://forums.invisionpower.com/index.php?showuser=62

I dont see much responce for enhanced profile page here but there are some of who would like to see vB take a move in that direction (partly evident from zoints popularity). Its their decision anyway and this decision might be much more complex than we think it is.
one thing that must be stated is that, that is REALLY ugly.

oh, and the user of iframe/overflow on the divs is just atrocious.

[RedTyger]

Why is it ugly? I think that IPB's graphic design is resoundingly more attractive than IPB, an opinion I've seen echoed a great deal more than vice versa. It's not stunning but it's pleasant to look at (except for the Amazon rating stars, how very naff!) and quite clear to read and the AJAX interface is nice to use. Looks pretty well done to me.

I would agree from an additional glance at the source that there's a slight unfinished feel overall though, vBulletin clearly has the edge quality-wise. Each can learn from the other. :)

[---MAD---]

Why is it ugly? I think that IPB's graphic design is resoundingly more attractive than IPB, an opinion I've seen echoed a great deal more than vice versa. It's not stunning but it's pleasant to look at (except for the Amazon rating stars, how very naff!) and quite clear to read and the AJAX interface is nice to use. Looks pretty well done to me.

I would agree from an additional glance at the source that there's a slight unfinished feel overall though, vBulletin clearly has the edge quality-wise. Each can learn from the other. :)
Its ugly because everything is sqeezed in 1 page and 3 coloumns.

[sabret00the]

Its ugly because everything is sqeezed in 1 page and 3 coloumns.
Yup basically i think we should all take note that effective profile layouts are as seen on sites like www.myspace.com, www.faceparty.com, www.face-pic.com, www.lookitsme.co.uk, etc.

They also have stuff like blocks linking to the main content block which is just senseless. i.e. the friends thing should drop down further upon clicking as opposed to open in the main block or it should just remain a tab. having content twice on the page is senseless.

really it only needs two columns at the most.

[biggazillakilla]

Why is it ugly? I think that IPB's graphic design is resoundingly more attractive than IPB, an opinion I've seen echoed a great deal more than vice versa. Just for the record, James Mathias, the guy who is responsible for the original IPB design (http://www.1lotus.com), no longer designs for IPB. So for the last year or more, the design-decisions have been made by management, not by James.

[Quillz]

Its ugly because everything is sqeezed in 1 page and 3 coloumns.
Then buy an IPB license, upload a board and change it to your liking.

[aceofspades]

O man i wish vb had this feature, i really think this should be an option for vbulletin, but do it better than IPB :P

[---MAD---]

Then buy an IPB license, upload a board and change it to your liking.
No thanks, I prefer vBulletin :p.

[Comtech]

I really like the idea of connecting like minded members together. That is what Zoints does and I do believe Zoints and IPB are heading in the right direction for profile systems.

There will always be those who hate new technology, and they will either evolve or be left behind. Technology waits for no one. For Vbulletin to remain one of the top performers in the realm of community driven softwares then it needs to expand the community part to include a social profile system (like Zoints) but allow the forum administrator to have 100% of it dedicated to his or her forum.

[Quillz]

O man i wish vb had this feature, i really think this should be an option for vbulletin, but do it better than IPB :P
How do you suggest Jelsoft make their design, so that it's better than IPS's?

[ManagerJosh]

How do you suggest Jelsoft make their design, so that it's better than IPS's?
I propose something like Facebook :D

[deaf.net]

this is why I love Vbulletin :)

[vivamexico55]

Oh, absolutely! Go for it, Vbulletin, IPB beat you to the punch, and so did Zoints, but this is definitely the future.

As long as it's customizable and easy to use like the rest of vBulletin, I'm all for it.

The current "User Profile" is just sadly outdated for the kinds of things that we're seeing on social networking.

The only reason I haven't installed Zoints Local is because I've been waiting for vBulletin to come out with an official revamp of the user profile page.

Count my vote as a resounding "YES!".

[XtAzY]

I propose something like Facebook :D

i second to that! Facebook is far better that myspace....

[ManagerJosh]

Oh, absolutely! Go for it, Vbulletin, IPB beat you to the punch, and so did Zoints, but this is definitely the future.

As long as it's customizable and easy to use like the rest of vBulletin, I'm all for it.

The current "User Profile" is just sadly outdated for the kinds of things that we're seeing on social networking.

The only reason I haven't installed Zoints Local is because I've been waiting for vBulletin to come out with an official revamp of the user profile page.

Count my vote as a resounding "YES!".
Being first does not necessarily mean the best thing to do. While there is a fine line between both being first and being out late or never, it's better to examine everything, like what works, what doesn't, etc.

In the case of both Zoints and IPB, I felt they were rushed and I couldn't put my money down on their products.


FYI, your premise is flawed. vBulletin was not first on the forum/bbs market; but has grown because of good planning.

[0ptima]

Here a sample one: http://forums.invisionpower.com/index.php?showuser=62



:eek: !!!!!!

[noluv4u]

The forum I currently have is (IPB 2.2.1) has the PROFILES and while I HATE it, the members seem to love it - especially the My Friends bit. It is totally optional from in Admin CP.
To be honest though the VB control panel is FAR better than IPB in my opinion. But I guess everyone is different and there is a market for just about anything.

[Eddie Arlette]

I so want enhanced profiles part of the built in features its just to bland right now and the current plug-ins set up for this kind of set up is too flawed having to hope all of the used plug-ins are continued to be supported after the next upgrade is done. It would make more since to have it all in one and optimized for the board software to begin with.

[Quillz]

i second to that! Facebook is far better that myspace....
At the moment it is, but only because it's still attractive to more mature college students. As more people realize that Facebook is open to everyone now, it will slowly degrade itself to the immaturity that is MySpace.

[sabret00the]

At the moment it is, but only because it's still attractive to more mature college students. As more people realize that Facebook is open to everyone now, it will slowly degrade itself to the immaturity that is MySpace.
I thought (s)he just meant in terms of aesthetics?

[ManagerJosh]

I thought (s)he just meant in terms of aesthetics?
That and functionality.

[Eagle Eyes]

This definately needs to be done. We dont need to clone MySpace or Facebook, but improvements and changes can be incorporated to make VBulletin a better competitor.

[Ascor]

Why can't nobody from jelfsoft just say
- Ok whe are looking at this
or
- No whe are not makin sometin in this way, profil are good enoug

I hate this no communication :/

[Booth]

I would like to know this myself because I'm considering switching to Invision. My users want the profiles I'm afraid so I need to go with what they want :(

Something like Facebook would be perfect for Vbulletin. I could always switch back to VB if they implemented something.

The forum I currently have is (IPB 2.2.1) has the PROFILES and while I HATE it, the members seem to love it - especially the My Friends bit. It is totally optional from in Admin CP.
To be honest though the VB control panel is FAR better than IPB in my opinion. But I guess everyone is different and there is a market for just about anything.

For this very reason...

[Dilly]

Why can't nobody from jelfsoft just say
- Ok whe are looking at this
or
- No whe are not makin sometin in this way, profil are good enoug

I hate this no communication :/
Because that's not how it works...

[Booth]

I dont like myspace either but in my opinion some sort of a neater and enhanced profile page would be good. :)

Here a sample one: http://forums.invisionpower.com/index.php?showuser=62

I dont see much responce for enhanced profile page here but there are some of who would like to see vB take a move in that direction (partly evident from zoints popularity). Its their decision anyway and this decision might be much more complex than we think it is.

To be honest, that IPB board profile with a little bit of tidying up would be just what I need for my site. Friends list, latest topics/posts, profile commenting. And users who don't need this can switch it off.

I've been using another forum with IPB this evening and it works quite well.

Why can't Vbulletin have these features? Why do I have to go over to an, in my opinion, inferior forum system to get the features I need for my community? If Vbulletin had similar it would blow IPB out of the water.

[KrON]

To be honest, that IPB board profile with a little bit of tidying up would be just what I need for my site. Friends list, latest topics/posts, profile commenting. And users who don't need this can switch it off.

I've been using another forum with IPB this evening and it works quite well.

Why can't Vbulletin have these features? Why do I have to go over to an, in my opinion, inferior forum system to get the features I need for my community? If Vbulletin had similar it would blow IPB out of the water.

Agreed. I'm sure Jelsoft is working on *something* but with no acknowledgement, and no clear timetable, there is no telling how long we'll have to wait.

[ManagerJosh]

Jelsoft Devs trys to read all suggestions however they won't always comment on the suggestion.

[KrON]

Jelsoft Devs trys to read all suggestions however they won't always comment on the suggestion.

I'm aware, I've been a member here since 2002. Point wasn't that they don't read our suggestions, but as I have ranted about many times before, having to sit quietly on our hands while we wait to be gifted with new functionality is about as much fun as hitting myself in the head with a hammer.

[sabret00the]

In all fairness, how a thread of this length doesn't warrant official feedback/input is beyond me.

[Booth]

The fact that only 73 people have voted out of 2,113 views doesn't help our cause :(

But if Jelsoft need any more reason to work on something like this, head over the Vbulletin.org to see a heck of a lot more people crying out for this functionality.

[ManagerJosh]

I think it's easy for us to demand a feature, but how to develop it, and how to integrate it could be the biggest challenges, and in some cases, could be far more difficulty than we envision.

[MJM]

... having to sit quietly on our hands while we wait to be gifted with new functionality is about as much fun as hitting myself in the head with a hammer.

Hitting yourself on your head with a hammer while sitting quietly on your hands may require a community driven social networking interface. ;)

Whatever vb comes up with, they will need to provide an easy method to disable and/or confine various components of a social networking user profile to specific usergroups, and also give users the ability to choose what components they wish viewable to the public at large.

[Ascor]

Because that's not how it works...
How it works is the worst way...
This is a shame to not reply to customers requests when you have so many people who ask about information.We are customers of a commercial company an not at phpbb forum or other free script who this is normal that people must wait goodwill from developers to have information, for a paid product it's absolute not a professional attitude for customers

Jelsoft Devs trys to read all suggestions however they won't always comment on the suggestion.
It's now two year away that customer are waiting about this, do you not think is long enough to have information ?

In all fairness, how a thread of this length doesn't warrant official feedback/input is beyond me.
Full agreed, and this disturb realy all the good i think from this compagny shold customers wait ech time more that one year to hove information ?

The fact that only 73 people have voted out of 2,113 views doesn't help our cause :(
But if Jelsoft need any more reason to work on something like this, head over the Vbulletin.org to see a heck of a lot more people crying out for this functionality.
Dont worry this poll is not representative, when you make search in this forum or at vbulletin.org, with the key word: profile, or myspace in a title search, you find a lot of topic about this question.
An if you look how many time these topic are viewed you understand that this is one of the most request, if jelfsot has just make more attention at customers request
The situation today would be different and vbulletin would be the first to propose that and not ipb
i think its easy for ipb to make what customers want, the have just to read competitor forum and understand what people request with no reply and just do it.
I assume what i say, i read all two forum over two year now, in ipb forum there was never so many request about this

I think it's easy for us to demand a feature, but how to develop it, and how to integrate it could be the biggest challenges, and in some cases, could be far more difficulty than we envision.
There are alternative solutions: use a paying mod, rent a coder or switch to invision for people wo absolute want this if nothing come out.
The only question is to know if us should wait a solution from jelsoft or not, or if as with the blog's we waste our time to wait for nothings
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Please remember:
freddie, 8 month old
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1168243&postcount=17

Wayne Luke, fast one year old
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1084834&postcount=20

Whi should not one believe that this is vapor annonce ?
No communication prevents from taking descisions !

[bboy]

To be honest, that IPB board profile with a little bit of tidying up would be just what I need for my site. Friends list, latest topics/posts, profile commenting. And users who don't need this can switch it off.

I've been using another forum with IPB this evening and it works quite well.

Why can't Vbulletin have these features? Why do I have to go over to an, in my opinion, inferior forum system to get the features I need for my community? If Vbulletin had similar it would blow IPB out of the water.


Completely agree. That IPB profile page has blown my socks off! This is one of the features (along with thread/post prefixes (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=123033) and extra threadfields (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=108888&highlight=siteresort)) that I have been pining for the longest time.

I don't want to be forced away from Vbulletin to get the functionality I need and I don't want to have to hack the product to death to get it either (upgrading/updating becomes insanely complex).

I really wish the VB folks would give us customers some insights as to what is on the horizon. Sure, I understand they don't want to talk about anything before it becomes 'officially announced' but to atleast give an idea of what they have in the works but with a "no promises" approach would be nice instead of being completely in the dark.

I have two sites that are just waiting on the next major release and I truly hope it gets the above functionality. Anyone else in the same/similar boat?

[edenx]

Well, as long as VB Team don't include this feature as "native" you can buy this mod:

http://www.visionscripts.com/?page=products&vsproductid=8

[aceofspades]

That visionscripts product can be made up of free vb.org hacks easily. To be honest, i know how annoying threads like this must be to the VB staff but to be honest it would be nice to see what the developers think about this idea.

[edenx]

Well I really think that'll be good to hear any input from them

[Ascor]

Well, as long as VB Team don't include this feature as "native" you can buy this mod:

http://www.visionscripts.com/?page=products&vsproductid=8


Yes this mod is good except one big defaut, encryption :/

[bboy]

Yes this mod is good except one big defaut, encryption :/

Indeed. This is why this type of functionality needs to be rolled right into Vbulletin. This would also take the pain out of upgrading afterwards and it would be officially supported.

[jcerious]

Here a sample one: http://forums.invisionpower.com/index.php?showuser=62
[/quote]
I really like that Invision profile page. Very nice. I think what some of you here may be missing is that people are very social and this type of page that shows how many "friends" they have or who has messaged them or whatever is the kind of thing that gets people addicted to your site. They'll actually come back - maybe several times a day just to see if they have a new friend! The genius of myspace is obviously NOT its hideous design but it's in how they manage to give people in a social network what they really want and what they can't always get in the real world... social transparency. You can see who everybody else's friends are. You can see what's going on in their lives AND you can share with them what's going on in your life. myspace gives people an outlet to meet their most basic human social needs... the need to express yourself to others and the need to see how others are expressing themselves.

I think invision has done a neat job of incorporating that - without letting it distract attention from the primary function of the site. To me it enhances that function.

With that said, I think it's a very neat feature that I too would like to see vB implement, but I agree it should probably be optional so people can choose whether or not it's appropriate for their site.

At a very minimum though vB should let people's profile page picture be larger, even much larger... and they should allow more than one. Yes, we should have the option of choosing the maximum size and maximum number but we should at least be able to choose. And a larger Comments area would be good too so people can express themselves more fully.

Anyway, I really like that invision profile page. Very nice job I think.

[Eagle Eyes]

I would like the stuff to not to take this as a pain in the ass, but as a request to implement something like IPB. We will wait. :)

[jeffinj]

I've just started using facebook and i think they've done it the best! the badge idea is excellent. I hope that could be implementable on vb. Daniweb.com have badges for their members. Its a neat feature. ;)

[Distance]

Oh god no not them crappy things

I don't like anything with invision really tbh

I like the current profiles.. well maybe some changes but not like that.. latest posts and crap like that etc



If you want this so bad then surely you can have a modification to do this

[Yours Truly]

I have made a pretty amazing profile what my users loved with a few mods and code edit :) That was with 3.5.x

[Yours Truly]

Well a forum is community software so yes :)

[Funkid125]

NO! MySpace sucks, Invasion Sucks, sometimes its best NOT to follow competitors. and this is a time not to. Please don't!

vB has the BEST profile look i ever seen, leave it that way.

(mmm, how come i cant vote on the poll...)

[Quillz]

NO! MySpace sucks, Invasion Sucks, sometimes its best NOT to follow competitors. and this is a time not to. Please don't!

vB has the BEST profile look i ever seen, leave it that way.

(mmm, how come i cant vote on the poll...)
vB also has the most generic profile setup I've ever seen. It does nothing to set it apart from phpBB, MyBB, etc. You may not like how IPB has redone the profiles, but at least it stands out among the rest.

[Dream]

This could be interesting, having latest posts in the profile, friends, public favorite sites, personal quotes, guestbook or comments, user rating, gallery, blog, etc etc.

But I think a CMS is more important :p

[Assim]

It will be great if you do!

73.74% of the voters agreed

[bboy]

I believe we would see similar vote results (or higher) if all Vbulletin customers were to actually reply. This is a must have feature in my opinion. I sincerely hope that this is currently in development and will see a production release this year.

If Jelsoft plan to release it as a separate paid product (I hope not!), for ease of integration and upgrading it ought to be sold as a Vbulletin premium package and not a standalone that must be installed.

Something along the lines of:


1. Vbulletin Standard - regular price
2. Vbulletin Social - regular price + $xx
This way us board admins wouldn't have a nightmare of a time when it came to ugprading/patching. If they were separately managed products it would a royal pain to have to upgrade either the base software and/or the add on product (plus themes, hacks) and keeping track of versions.

Of course bundling it in with the standard release would be the preferred way to go (ahem..IPB)! ;)
Will we see a Vbulletin release with enhanced profiels, blogging and more this year?

*rubs magic 8-ball*

....more than likely! :eek:

Ok, tha's me dreaming. But in all honesty, I cannot see Jelsoft sitting idly by while IPB tries to outshine them in terms of this functionality.

On a personal note, I have 2 projects sitting in pending status waiting for such a release from Jelsoft. Yes, I know it sounds foolish to sit and wait when I could try other solutions (Drupal, IPB) but I have a soft spot vBulletin. ;)

[Yours Truly]

The thing is though if they do make an enhanced suer profile this makes them a 'copy cat' in some essence. Which could potentially lose them a lot of customers as they are not free thinking.

Seeing how well vBulletin has done over these years im sure they can think up of something a whole lot better ;)

[bboy]

The thing is though if they do make an enhanced suer profile this makes them a 'copy cat' in some essence. Which could potentially lose them a lot of customers as they are not free thinking.

Seeing how well vBulletin has done over these years im sure they can think up of something a whole lot better ;)


While I'm all for better I don't think that vbulleting would 'lose' customers if they added similar functionality. Adding functionality = a good thing regardless.

[ManagerJosh]

Adding functionality, yes a good thing.
Adding functionality poorly, a very bad thing.

If you are going to do things right, you better do it the first time around. Some customers aren't as loyal and will flame you till the end of timie because it wasn't done right the first time.

[testebr]

That sucks, I hate it and no more words!

[Yours Truly]

While I'm all for better I don't think that vbulleting would 'lose' customers if they added similar functionality. Adding functionality = a good thing regardless.
Adding functionality = Yes
Copying functionality = No

[jasbell]

I totally agree! Well said, Booth.

Need more functionality on profiles. NOT a BLOG! Just more customized profile stuff. Each community is unique and has unique issues and members.

[---MAD---]

Adding functionality = Yes
Copying functionality = No
Competitors always copy each others especially if theres demand so its nothing new really.

[Yours Truly]

Copying a aspect is okay but not to the extent of knowing it has been copied

[bboy]

I don't see how any of this would be considered 'copying'. I'm sure that if were to be implemented in vB that it will be improved upon. Even if it was simply the same/similar functionality I don't see where the snobbishness comes from saying it would be a bad idea to add to vB. This is much needed functionality that adds a completely new level of flexibility in terms of forums and member interaction.

This would be a win-win...no possible negative and if they made it an 'optional' (on/off) function then the few who are against it need not use it. Simple as pie. Ok, back to hoping.

[---MAD---]

I don't see how any of this would be considered 'copying'. I'm sure that if were to be implemented in vB that it will be improved upon. Even if it was simply the same/similar functionality I don't see where the snobbishness comes from saying it would be a bad idea to add to vB. This is much needed functionality that adds a completely new level of flexibility in terms of forums and member interaction.

This would be a win-win...no possible negative and if they made it an 'optional' (on/off) function then the few who are against it need not use it. Simple as pie. Ok, back to hoping.
Agreed.

[shoqni]

Aside from a "shoutbox" addon, I don't see why this would be a huge undertaking. Isn't this more of a template restructuring issue than a programming issue? Just about every popular element of myspace can already be found in vB. Aside from a shoutbox (for comments) and a buddy approval step, I don't see the big deal.

I too am hungry for this. :)

[Le GoogelGuRu]

Please nothing like IPB! I hate their new interface. I prefer the current vBulletin interface. It's quick, clean and works great. :)

[the geek]

As it stands now, the profile pages for vB are pretty useless and seldom used. The only additional information you can get from a profile page that you cant from a postbit is: A profile picture and some custom fields. Ask yourself how important and regularly used the current unmodified profile pages in vB are (how often do YOU read them).

Myspaceish pages are seldom done with any taste (I loathe most of them) - however one should not look at the end users implementation and say 'thats pants, we wont do it'. Social networking has little to do with giving a page for someone to upload garish backgrounds and infuriating mp3s that play when you go to the page. The driving force behind the social networking craze is the ability to create an 'identity', show off friends, thoughts, etc... Give users a place that they feel is their 'home'. This can easily be done without having to give them the ability to do backgrounds, layout changes, etc...

The fact is that with very little effort, the profile page could be enhanced so that admins could install modifications for the blocks they want to have on their site. Then let the admins install modules from .org or whatever for the functionality they want to make available to their users (i.e. page background mods, annoying mp3 players, gallery browsers, etc...). Just make it easy for admins to assign modules and placement based on usergroups. Hell, it could be done and tested in less than a couple weeks.

The vB team are exceptional at creating good, solid, stable code. This put them in the forefront of forum software. The problem is, they are just too slow and/or stubborn to introduce functionality which is resulting in them loosing their market advantage.

IPB may be pants, poorly coded, whatever (I have 0 experience with them so I cant really comment) - but you have to give it to them. To me it seems like they read the suggestion forums on vB more than the vB devs do as they are flying past vB in creating additional functionality that admins and users here have been requesting for yonks: shared user systems, blogging systems, social networking, galleries, etc... How much longer until they throw out a CMS? My money is on IPB releasing one before vB does.

Remember that it is our forums users that drive our needs as admins/owners which in turn should be driving Jelsofts development plan. We are chuffed with Ajax open/closing, quick replies, inline modding, signature limitations, etc... but users are chuffed with forums, galleries, blogs and yes... social networking.

My suggestion: Grow the dev team substantially so you can still produce the exceptional code vB is known for while ensuring that our customers needs are realised.

[---MAD---]

As it stands now, the profile pages for vB are pretty useless and seldom used. The only additional information you can get from a profile page that you cant from a postbit is: A profile picture and some custom fields. Ask yourself how important and regularly used the current unmodified profile pages in vB are (how often do YOU read them).

Myspaceish pages are seldom done with any taste (I loathe most of them) - however one should not look at the end users implementation and say 'thats pants, we wont do it'. Social networking has little to do with giving a page for someone to upload garish backgrounds and infuriating mp3s that play when you go to the page. The driving force behind the social networking craze is the ability to create an 'identity', show off friends, thoughts, etc... Give users a place that they feel is their 'home'. This can easily be done without having to give them the ability to do backgrounds, layout changes, etc...

The fact is that with very little effort, the profile page could be enhanced so that admins could install modifications for the blocks they want to have on their site. Then let the admins install modules from .org or whatever for the functionality they want to make available to their users (i.e. page background mods, annoying mp3 players, gallery browsers, etc...). Just make it easy for admins to assign modules and placement based on usergroups. Hell, it could be done and tested in less than a couple weeks.

The vB team are exceptional at creating good, solid, stable code. This put them in the forefront of forum software. The problem is, they are just too slow and/or stubborn to introduce functionality which is resulting in them loosing their market advantage.

IPB may be pants, poorly coded, whatever (I have 0 experience with them so I cant really comment) - but you have to give it to them. To me it seems like they read the suggestion forums on vB more than the vB devs do as they are flying past vB in creating additional functionality that admins and users here have been requesting for yonks: shared user systems, blogging systems, social networking, galleries, etc... How much longer until they throw out a CMS? My money is on IPB releasing one before vB does.

Remember that it is our forums users that drive our needs as admins/owners which in turn should be driving Jelsofts development plan. We are chuffed with Ajax open/closing, quick replies, inline modding, signature limitations, etc... but users are chuffed with forums, galleries, blogs and yes... social networking.

My suggestion: Grow the dev team substantially so you can still produce the exceptional code vB is known for while ensuring that our customers needs are realised.
I completely agree with every part of that post. Very well said indeed, its as if I wrote it myself.

Having options in admincp to limit what each usergroup can do to the new profiles would also be an important factor as well (specially if you have paying users).

[mgaidia]

How much longer until they throw out a CMS? My money is on IPB releasing one before vB does.


1- IP team already have a CMS project "IP.Dynamic"
2- I really want that feature and i wish VB gets one soon.

[Booth]

Please nothing like IPB! I hate their new interface. I prefer the current vBulletin interface. It's quick, clean and works great. :)

I've just set up a site which needed more social networking features so used Invision over Vbulletin (I still prefer VB forums personally but hey).

Anyway, my members would disagree with you. Usage has gone up on the site by quite a lot, especially at weekends. I had reservations about IPB, but I can now say that it works.

But... It depends what site you're using the script for, it may suit one site but not the other. I've got VB running on two other sites where IPB wouldn't be necessary.

By the way you can switch the IPB profiles off in admin, and it returns to the generic style ones.

[bboy]

So as it stands now, we have no idea if such features are even in the works at this time for vB. If these are not currently in development at this time I don't imagine we should be holding our breath as it would take quite some time from first stage to production. But who's to say what's happening.

[the geek]

1- IP team already have a CMS project "IP.Dynamic"
2- I really want that feature and i wish VB gets one soon.
bummer for vB.

I just started checking over @ IPB and have so far been impressed. In fact, I have purchased a license and will start looking into it for one of my sites (one that ironically won botm here last year).

Forums are not the only part of a community anymore. I hope Jelsoft is able to start to focus on expanding rather than constantly reworking their (superb) forum. If they can do that, they will own the market for community based sites.

[Fusion]

Just to add my two bits a tad late in the game...For social networking you might want to use something like www.linkedin.com (http://www.linkedin.com).

At a glace it may look like a pyramid-scheme ;), but I'm told their approach work for people who are looking to broaden their professional social-network.

[forumguy]

I find those community profiles horrid and useless. When you click a user's name, you want to see their member information. Not be bombarded by Friend lists, blog entries and comments. Pointless. vBulletin should concentrate on making the vBulletin better (if it's possible, since vB is already the best). :D

[bboy]

I find those community profiles horrid and useless. When you click a user's name, you want to see their member information. Not be bombarded by Friend lists, blog entries and comments. Pointless. vBulletin should concentrate on making the vBulletin better (if it's possible, since vB is already the best). :D

Welcome to the minority. :D What reason would you have to click on a user's profile other than to see their blog entries, comments and friend list, etc? Without that information the profile data is almost pointless. In current form the vB profiles are pretty much just that....pointless.

As perfect as vB is there is always room for improvement and innovation. This is what vB really needs is some innovation and change. I would welcome the addition of extended profiles with blog and friend list, etc with open arms! I believe, it would make a huge impact in terms of site traffic and community interaction. Anyone who can't see that really needs to get their head out of the sand.

[forumguy]

Reason? To contact them etc.

[Kier]

Things are coming...

[mgaidia]

Things are coming...
:D
can u tell us more please

[forumguy]

Things are coming...
I hate it when people go mysterious. :D

[bboy]

Things are coming...

Kier you really know how to make everyone's day! Just finished reading your post regarding NoSpam capcha functionality and now this. *pinches self* Nope...not dreaming. Yay!! :)

[jeffinj]

Things are coming...

You guys are great, because you listen. :D Big thanks to vB staff n all who've contributed here! :D:D:D

[barlow28]

Not at all. I can't stand the Invision profiles. I've always loved vBulletin, but I used Invision up until recently and when 2.2 was released, I switched.

This is a forum, not a social networking site.

[JordanJ]

The zoints profile system is seriously lacking when compared to the IPB profile system. I really like their new look for their profile system! Hopefully Jelsoft will take the infinitive & build upon that idea, come back with Vbulletin 4.0 with an improved version without charging loyal license holders extra for something that should be offered as a default feature.


Ill have to agree with you actually. I love the IPB profile layout.

Although alot of people would disagree with this and say that they hate the IPB profile layout.. It's probably 50/50. Iv seen the Zoints, but iv never considered using it, and probably wont.

[bboy]

Not at all. I can't stand the Invision profiles. I've always loved vBulletin, but I used Invision up until recently and when 2.2 was released, I switched.

This is a forum, not a social networking site.

Sigh....this is why it is optional, in IPB...they don't bonk you over the head and force you to use it. If you don't like it don't use it....same goes for when this comes to vB. But those of us who see the light and want to use can then reap the benefits of more community interactivity (happier users). ;)

[Quillz]

Sigh....this is why it is optional, in IPB...they don't bonk you over the head and force you to use it. If you don't like it don't use it....same goes for when this comes to vB. But those of us who see the light and want to use can then reap the benefits of more community interactivity (happier users). ;)
Most people probably know this, but this is a vB board, so Invision hating is cool and expected.

[mgaidia]

Poll result explains everything.
I'd seriously think moving to vb in case they implement something like that

[barlow28]

Sigh....this is why it is optional, in IPB...they don't bonk you over the head and force you to use it. If you don't like it don't use it....same goes for when this comes to vB. But those of us who see the light and want to use can then reap the benefits of more community interactivity (happier users). ;)

I'm aware it's optional, and I had it turned off. I just think there are certain features which aren't necessary enough to be included by default.

[Floris]

Poll result explains everything.
I'd seriously think moving to vb in case they implement something like that
;) Even if they don't, I still recommend you to move to vB. Actually, I invite you to consider vBulletin regardless. ;)

[jeffinj]

With or without it, vB is the best. :)

Right now vB has a very efficient n sercure forum package which is almost useless when used with vb.org insecure addons. I didn't install zoints for this reason. Also zoints page doesnot appeal to me at all. Not even my space.

My recomendation: In the interest of vb users as a whole, vb should have an optional lite facebook profile page. I believe this can reduce any security risks to the forum as the enhanced profile bit now comes from the original developers.

[sabret00the]

Things are coming...
Fantastic news, can't wait.

[Alfa1]

Things are coming...
That's great news!
I have been comparing the available add ons for profile enhancement software here (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=140614) and it is also being discussed here: scripts such as myspace (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=186920) but a satisfactory solution has not been found yet. A vbulletin thing to be coming would be awesome.

[jeffinj]

100 Votes. Yoohooo!! :D :D

[---MAD---]

100 Votes. Yoohooo!! :D :D
Nope, 101 :p.

[msimplay]

Remember that it is our forums users that drive our needs as admins/owners which in turn should be driving Jelsofts development plan. We are chuffed with Ajax open/closing, quick replies, inline modding, signature limitations, etc... but users are chuffed with forums, galleries, blogs and yes... social networking.

My suggestion: Grow the dev team substantially so you can still produce the exceptional code vB is known for while ensuring that our customers needs are realised.

I think this hits the nail on the head when you said the users are more chuffed with forums, galleries, blogs and social networking

[forumguy]

vBulletin needs to think of something bigger than expanded profiles. Something that will blow Community profiles away, like the mug and the teacup. And people lose interest in Community Profiles. There's friend networking (WhoopDeeDoo) and there's comment (Oh, I really want to here why everyone hates me). Anything else?

[3dsoft]

I love the profile pages from facebook. They look clean and very organized.

[Terminatoronly]

As both a VB and IPB owner, i just thought id throw my bit in too. :)

The profile system can be switched off via the ACP (so it reverts to classic view as per IPB 2.1.x series) ... The "add a comment" can be set (its an option in everyones user cp) to not automatically add new comments. The rate member can be switched off in the ACP too.

The biggest issue i have heard people on about with 2.2 is the fact that your friends list (same as VB buddies) is displayed on the new style profile for all to see. Some people see this as some kind of privacy issue. And to be honest, i agree.

Footnote... My IPB board still runs the 2.1 series and i am very reluctant to move it to 2.2, to be honest i may convert this to VB and use the IPB license for something else...

Well To Be Honest With You All i made a poll in my site requesting from members to suggest which forum software they do like between payed softwares (vBulletin Or IPB).

most of them selected IPB we was using VB that time they said we are webmasters and we know vb has a great features but some bad things about vb:
1- They Update Bugs late. (they said about the security bug in the vb 3.6.4)

2- VB Release Many versions in same year.

3- the look of vb really good but the new look of ipb much better attract members.

4- about the styles of the vb u will need about 200$ for vb license and for styles i do agree with them i dont like all of the free styles and all the great styles are for sale so that will cost me more as a webmaster i will pay (Hosting + VB License + Styles). (No One Likes the default style of vb not my oponion but i always ask my members about there oponions).

5- they told me that the ipb will fit my needs for my forum because it has all the features that i need in my forum.

Sorry For That But Its Just My Oponion And My Members Too And As Webmasters We All Need To Attract Members but how can we do it if they dont like our board??

i am not saying anything about vBulletin since i am a license owner i use this software but as a client i have to suggest the best for this product.

[Onimua]

Well To Be Honest With You All i made a poll in my site requesting from members to suggest which forum software they do like between payed softwares (vBulletin Or IPB).

most of them selected IPB we was using VB that time they said we are webmasters and we know vb has a great features but some bad things about vb:
1- They Update Bugs late. (they said about the security bug in the vb 3.6.4)

2- VB Release Many versions in same year.

3- the look of vb really good but the new look of ipb much better attract members.

4- about the styles of the vb u will need about 200$ for vb license and for styles i do agree with them i dont like all of the free styles and all the great styles are for sale so that will cost me more as a webmaster i will pay (Hosting + VB License + Styles). (No One Likes the default style of vb not my oponion but i always ask my members about there oponions).

5- they told me that the ipb will fit my needs for my forum because it has all the features that i need in my forum.

Sorry For That But Its Just My Oponion And My Members Too And As Webmasters We All Need To Attract Members but how can we do it if they dont like our board??

i am not saying anything about vBulletin since i am a license owner i use this software but as a client i have to suggest the best for this product.

1. What do you mean update bugs late? You're talking about security... whenever a security breach is found, Jelsoft releases a patch in 24 hours or less... how is that late? As for bugs, there is a rare time when you fine bugs that cause you problems, and they are almost always fixed with every minor release.

2. What would you consider many releases in the same year? Almost all software of any kind releases many versions a year... and most of what is released for vBulletin are maintenance releases with the occasional security patch.

3. You are aware that you can custimize vBulletin to look the way you want? The template and CSS is very easy to use... the only downside is you need some knowledge of HTML/CSS in order to do anything. Then again, you can get a style from somewhere.

4. Ask your members to pitch in or something? If they feel strong enough about their community that they are with, they will help out one way or another...

5. Only you can know if the forum software you use will suit your needs for a forum. If your members wish to request for extra features/content, they will need to specify what they want so you can know what you're looking for.

[Floris]

1.

Usually within a few hours there's a confirmation via a patch free for download to everybody, and an upgrade for licensed customers who's license has permission to download newer versions.

[Terminatoronly]

ok i am sorry for that talk i am not saying vb is bad i really like vb alot not saying its bad really its the best software to be honest with you :) but really it must get some updates for profiles look since it doesnt look that good i am not saying make it same as ipb you can make it better than ipb ;) i know this there is a professional coders with vb though :D

[forumguy]

If IPB released upgrades on an anual basis, what about security issues?

[Shelby]

Things are coming...Like a CMS, ooh wait... that's not coming either.

[Ascor]

Things are coming...
I have never see 3 words giving so big hop ^^
Thank's for finaly say something in this thread, it's good to know that someting is coming for profil and that customer have just to bee (a little) patient :)
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Huh i have just look at Floris signature, http://virb.com/vbulletin , what a great profil, very nice and clean :D
Is this a hint ? :p

[---MAD---]

Well To Be Honest With You All i made a poll in my site requesting from members to suggest which forum software they do like between payed softwares (vBulletin Or IPB).

most of them selected IPB we was using VB that time they said we are webmasters and we know vb has a great features but some bad things about vb:
1- They Update Bugs late. (they said about the security bug in the vb 3.6.4)

2- VB Release Many versions in same year.

3- the look of vb really good but the new look of ipb much better attract members.

4- about the styles of the vb u will need about 200$ for vb license and for styles i do agree with them i dont like all of the free styles and all the great styles are for sale so that will cost me more as a webmaster i will pay (Hosting + VB License + Styles). (No One Likes the default style of vb not my oponion but i always ask my members about there oponions).

5- they told me that the ipb will fit my needs for my forum because it has all the features that i need in my forum.

Sorry For That But Its Just My Oponion And My Members Too And As Webmasters We All Need To Attract Members but how can we do it if they dont like our board??

i am not saying anything about vBulletin since i am a license owner i use this software but as a client i have to suggest the best for this product.
I completely disagree with your points.

[Terminatoronly]

i did convert right now to vbulletin 3.6.5 :)

[goyo]

I've voted yes but IPB's solution is ugly and not user friendly...at all.
It's like a child whos just learned the javascript and css.

Why do I have to click to gallery just to read: there's no images. Why the Gallery button even there ?
Why do I need "sub"scrollbars inside of the pages (it reminds me of 1998 when everybody used frames).
What's with the huge profile boxes ?
What about SEO ? Ajax can be nice if implemented well...this profile page wont change the url even if you're viewing a different content...
What about the left column ? Everything looks the same with huge paddings and small letters...who's going to read that ? It's fine for an excel spreadsheet but for a community page ?

Sure it looks nice on IPB's product features page...otherwise it's a great example of a bad implementation. :o

[Wayne Luke]

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1327029

[the geek]

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1327029
How freaking cool is that? :D

Im salivating!

[jeffinj]

How freaking cool is that? :D

Im salivating!

Certainly. Thats great news. :D :D

[Terminatoronly]

wow that went fast now i know why i am in love with vBulletin lol now going to uninstall all my ipb boards lol :D and going to get the owned license this week :D

[Dream]

You got your wish boys and girls :)

[BrandiDup]

Here a sample one: http://forums.invisionpower.com/index.php?showuser=62




That looks VERY nice! I like it a lot!

[I, Brian]

Myspace may not be the best example, but at present profile pages have pretty zero value for users. Adding value to these pages can only help enhance the user enjoyment of the communities we build, so hopefully the developments with Jelsoft will go some way to helping provide that. :)

[kartik786]

I like the IPB sns :D

[---MAD---]

Community based user profile and a blog system are 2 differen things, am I correct in saying so?

MAD

[Wayne Luke]

Community based user profile and a blog system are 2 differen things, am I correct in saying so?

MAD
Our product will include the blog and social networking aspects together. All social networking or community-driven sites appear to be tied to a blog which is simply a way for a user to easily leave comments on their own site. Livejournal, MySpace, Spaces, Blogger are all community-driven social networks that rely on blogging for content.

So in essence, I would say the two are intimately tied together.

[---MAD---]

Our product will include the blog and social networking aspects together. All social networking or community-driven sites appear to be tied to a blog which is simply a way for a user to easily leave comments on their own site. Livejournal, MySpace, Spaces, Blogger are all community-driven social networks that rely on blogging for content.

So in essence, I would say the two are intimately tied together.
Ok I see. Does that mean the profile system on vb atm won't be enhanced to compete with its competitors such as IP (I believe the profile comes with its latest version - not as a paid addon although the blog is an addon off course)?

[Wayne Luke]

We'll have to wait and see what is included with 3.6.6 and what is included with the new product.

[---MAD---]

We'll have to wait and see what is included with 3.6.6 and what is included with the new product.
Ok, fair enough :).

MAD

[Taipa]

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1327029

Fantastic!!


Myspace may not be the best example, but at present profile pages have pretty zero value for users. Adding value to these pages can only help enhance the user enjoyment of the communities we build, so hopefully the developments with Jelsoft will go some way to helping provide that. :)

I agree; right now there's not much point to the current profile pages, so I'm looking forward to see what the vB team can come up with! ^_^

[boiboi]

http://www.tampaforums.com/

thought someone already made a 'social' add-on to VB

[Fusion]

If I recall correctly, that's not so much an add-on as it's a customized hack.

[Booth]

Would be very cool if they were like this:

http://www.tampaforums.com/index.php?page=Profile&userid=15385

[jeffinj]

Would be very cool if they were like this:

http://www.tampaforums.com/index.php?page=Profile&userid=15385

Thats more like myspace. It should be definitely better than that.

[Sha]

I don't think it should be clogged, but I'd like to see comments/friends added on, as well as the ability to change the layout.

[hrk]

:eek: !!!!!!

i allready trying IPB just because of this.
POWER!!

[---MAD---]

Would be very cool if they were like this:

http://www.tampaforums.com/index.php?page=Profile&userid=15385
Thats pretty rubbish IMO.

[Booth]

I got bored waiting for the new profiles so decided to have a play about with the template... My members seem to like it more than the default template.

http://www.blackburn247.com/forums/member.php?u=829

[---MAD---]

I got bored waiting for the new profiles so decided to have a play about with the template... My members seem to like it more than the default template.

http://www.blackburn247.com/forums/member.php?u=829
Not bad at all.

[Onimua]

I got bored waiting for the new profiles so decided to have a play about with the template... My members seem to like it more than the default template.

http://www.blackburn247.com/forums/member.php?u=829
Even something as simple as that is very nice. :) Nice job.

[Booth]

Thanks, someone posted on vbulletin.org saying they'd reworked their profile and said if you pm'd him he'd send the code. I pm'd him and never received it so decided to just look at his and take from it what I liked. I simplified it a bit too. It displays the friends if the user has any buddies that also have him as a buddy, and eight random Vbgallery images. Would be nice to have profile comments too - and maybe when a user adds someone as a buddy, that someone gets a pm telling them if they add them as a buddy they'll become a friend and appear on their profile.

[RvG]

Thats pretty rubbish IMO.
Page generated in 0.51228 seconds with 112 queries

112 queries??? very bad. :rolleyes:

may i ask if i am permitted, are these kind of polls were been taken into consideration by Jelsoft or not? I have seen lots lots of requests polls by members but are they been subjected to "By management decisions, we will or we will not do it."

[Kier]

Yes, we take all user feedback into consideration when deciding what will go into future versions.

I think you'll all be happy with the new member info page that's coming in 3.7.0.

[Onimua]

Yes, we take all user feedback into consideration when deciding what will go into future versions.

I think you'll all be happy with the new member info page that's coming in 3.7.0.
He speaks! :p

Sounds good. :D I hope we see it soon. :)

[---MAD---]

Yes, we take all user feedback into consideration when deciding what will go into future versions.

I think you'll all be happy with the new member info page that's coming in 3.7.0.
I am sure we will too ;).

[Grover]

He speaks! :p

:):):)

[Analogpoint]

Yes, we take all user feedback into consideration when deciding what will go into future versions.

I think you'll all be happy with the new member info page that's coming in 3.7.0.

I can't wait! :)

[Mazinger]

Yes, we take all user feedback into consideration when deciding what will go into future versions.

I think you'll all be happy with the new member info page that's coming in 3.7.0.
You always bring cool stuff, Kier! ;)

[Dream]

Why does everyone becomes a little girl when Kier shows up? :D

/run

I wonder where are the 100 people that voted yes on the poll, if they are still with vbulletin.

[RvG]

Yes, we take all user feedback into consideration when deciding what will go into future versions.

I think you'll all be happy with the new member info page that's coming in 3.7.0.

great!!!

then It's time to wait... :rolleyes:

[Marcos2]

Hopefully it is not a copy cat of Myspace and is something unique that cannot be found on any other social networking site...otherwise a lot of people are going to be seriously disappointed.

[Analogpoint]

Hopefully it is not a copy cat of Myspace and is something unique that cannot be found on any other social networking site...otherwise a lot of people are going to be seriously disappointed.

I don't think anyone making any product anywhere would want to copy myspace. :eek:

[Wayne Luke]

I don't think anyone making any product anywhere would want to copy myspace. :eek:

Considering that MySpace is predicted to have $750.00 million in revenues next year and they don't actually sale anything, I would think a lot of people are trying to duplicate that.

Not saying that we are trying to but that people would.

[Jose Amaral Rego]

Dolphin is the only script that comes close, or should I say it is more of a clone script.

How is it MySpace make money, is it just advert space... If so, then that is very good for such a site.

[Wayne Luke]

How is it MySpace make money, is it just advert space... If so, then that is very good for such a site.

Primarily advertising. They do have a $900 million dollar deal with Google on that part. The site has 200 million accounts worldwide and is consistently among the top 10 most trafficked sites worldwide and is in the top 5 in the United States. They are also owned by what is one of the world's largest media conglomerates, News Corporation.

[Marcos2]

Considering that MySpace is predicted to have $750.00 million in revenues next year and they don't actually sale anything, I would think a lot of people are trying to duplicate that.

Not saying that we are trying to but that people would.

I am not denying that Myspace is huge and that social networking sites will have some basic things that Myspace has because that makes a successful SN site. What more of my point was that it would be great if VB came up with things that Myspace or Facebook don't do...or maybe a mix of the best things of both. Otherwise, people could just download the Myspace hack from vb.org instead of waiting for the SN in 3.7.

[Analogpoint]

Considering that MySpace is predicted to have $750.00 million in revenues next year and they don't actually sale anything, I would think a lot of people are trying to duplicate that.

Not saying that we are trying to but that people would.

I was referring to their (horrible) design and site organization, not their revenue model. :)

[Wayne Luke]

I was referring to their (horrible) design and site organization, not their revenue model. :)
The actual Myspace.com site is fairly well laid out as well as the features it offers. It is a lot better with their new beta design for the user pages though.

I think what the poster above is referring to is user profiles though and these are actually controlled by the users themselves. They can have any number of premade layouts, colors and graphics that they choose. They can add any number of "widgets" to their pages. The navigation of profiles is based on their friends and groups that they have created and the options that they choose. There are some really good profiles that are layed out nicely, give meaning and provide valuable resources for the businesses and individuals that own them. There are also some really bad profiles but they are reflective of the owner's choices and desires. If they work for that profile owner than so be it.

[Analogpoint]

The actual Myspace.com site is fairly well laid out as well as the features it offers. It is a lot better with their new beta design for the user pages though.

I think what the poster above is referring to is user profiles though and these are actually controlled by the users themselves. They can have any number of premade layouts, colors and graphics that they choose. They can add any number of "widgets" to their pages. The navigation of profiles is based on their friends and groups that they have created and the options that they choose. There are some really good profiles that are layed out nicely, give meaning and provide valuable resources for the businesses and individuals that own them. There are also some really bad profiles but they are reflective of the owner's choices and desires. If they work for that profile owner than so be it.

Good points, but design is subjective. I certainly hope vB doesn't try to copy the way MySpace does things. With a bit of thought, things could be done a lot better.

As an aside, here's the only MySpace profile I like: http://www.myspace.com/mikeindustries :)