Expiring license; Will you be notified in time?

[Mas*Mind]

I know one of my licenses will expire in a few days/weeks. A question that just slips my mind: Will you get a notification in time to extend your license?

[Dream]

i thought you could renew as soon as you want to grab a new version, then you could have some more days until it expires again.

[tubedogg]

You can renew at any time and that amount of time will be added on to the end of whatever time you currently have left.

e.g. if you have 100 days left and you renew, you will then have 465 days left.

[Jake Bunce]

hmmmm, i think i'll buy like 3 renewals so i can have 1000 days. then i'll be cool. :rolleyes:

[Mas*Mind]

Ah ok, I understand.

But don't you get any notification? If a user totally forgets about his expiring license, he'll has to buy a totally new one. Would be cool if a notification would be sent for, say, 2 weeks before it expires.

[tubedogg]

Well yes they have to buy a totally new license; however it's not like it's more to buy a new one than renew it.

[aaronx88]

Originally posted by tubedogg
Well yes they have to buy a totally new license; however it's not like it's more to buy a new one than renew it.

It is definately more to buy a new license. A new one cost $160 whereas a renewal cost $30.

I thought a even if your license has expired, you could still renew it at $30? Isn't that correct? What Mas*Mind is saying is that if his license expired and he forgot to renew it, you have to buy a totally new license at $160 again? Could Jelsoft clears this doubt?

[Wayne Luke]

If you have a complete license (the $160 one) you do not have to renew it to continue using. You will have to continue to pay a $30 member fee for upgrades on a yearly basis.

If you have a leased license (the $85 one) you have to pay an $85 lease fee every year. If you do not pay the leasing fee you can no longer use the software.

[tubedogg]

Originally posted by aaronx88
It is definately more to buy a new license. A new one cost $160 whereas a renewal cost $30.
No. We are talking about leased licenses. A leased license is $85 for one year, at which point you must renew it. It comes with members' area access.
The $160 license is an owned license which is yours to use forever. It comes with 1 year of members' area access, after which you have to pay $30 a year to continue accessing the members' area for software updates and new versions.

I thought a even if your license has expired, you could still renew it at $30?
You cannot renew a license for $30. If you buy an owned ($160) license and your members' area access lapses (e.g. you don't pay after the first year to renew it), you might be able to renew it at some time in the future for $30, however I don't know if this is a fact. That John or James will have to answer.

What Mas*Mind is saying is that if his license expired and he forgot to renew it, you have to buy a totally new license at $160 again?
His $160 license would never expire - but again we are talking about leased licenses. After his leased ($85) license expired, he could buy a $160 license or renew his leased license for $80, but unless he wanted a second license, he would not do both.

[aaronx88]

I'm all clear now. Just thinking why anyone would want a leased license since 2 years of leased = 1 owned, and you could use it FOREVER + a mere $30 for member access.

Still need clarification on this :)

If you buy an owned ($160) license and your members' area access lapses (e.g. you don't pay after the first year to renew it), you might be able to renew it at some time in the future for $30, however I don't know if this is a fact. That John or James will have to answer.

[Mas*Mind]

That's the thing I wanted to know, because when it expires you have no members-access anymore, thus you won't be able to renew your license.

[Mas*Mind]

I just renewed it FYI. Didn't want to take any risk ;)

[Mas*Mind]

I do think you have to renew in time though (before the member-area access expires), quote:

Note: In order for you to retain access to the members area, please complete the renewal transaction by 06-14-2002. where 06-14-2002 is the date where my (just renewed) license expires.

[tubedogg]

Originally posted by Mas*Mind
Note: In order for you to retain access to the members area, please complete the renewal transaction by 06-14-2002.

That's interesting, because under the descriptions of possible license status one of them is "Expired". How could it possibly say expired if you can't access the members' area after expiration?

(On second thought, this might be if you have multiple licenses that expire at different times...)

[fastforward]

Originally posted by aaronx88
I'm all clear now. Just thinking why anyone would want a leased license since 2 years of leased = 1 owned, and you could use it FOREVER + a mere $30 for member access.

Still need clarification on this :)


For one license:
Cost over 2 years for leased = $170 ($85+$85)
Cost over 2 years for owned = $190 ($160+$30)

And for mulitiple licenses the difference is obviously greater.

Were you using vB 2 years ago? In fact was vB even released 2 years ago. Will you be using vB in 2 years time? :)

If you never intend to upgrade the software then maybe the purchased plan looks more attractive, but it's not a cut & dry decision if you have multiple licenses and intend to keep up to date.

Plus of course, you have the cashflow issues. It's much easier to fork out $85 at a time than it is $160 a time.

[tubedogg]

Originally posted by fastforward
For one license:
Cost over 2 years for leased = $170 ($85+$85)
Cost over 2 years for owned = $190 ($160+$30)Yes, this is accurate, but follow it further down the road:

Thee years leased = $255 ($85 x 3)
Three years owned = $220 ($160 + ($30 x 2))
Savings thus far over leased: $15 (cause you lost $20 over the first 2 years)

Four years leased = $340 ($85 x 4)
Four years owned = $250 ($160 + ($30 x 3))
Savings this year over leased: $90
Savings thus far over leased: $105

Five years leased = $425 ($85 x 5)
Five years owned = $280 ($160 + ($30 x 4))
Savings this year over leased: $145
Savings thus far over leased: $250

Six years leased = $510 ($85 x 6)
Six years owned = $310 ($160 + ($30 x 5))
Savings this year over leased: $200
Savings thus far over leased: $450

Savings total over leased over a six year period: $450 (that's 2 more owned licenses, a leased license and cash to spare :D)

Clearly if you intend to stick with vBulletin, even paying the $30 every year, you come out well ahead in the long run.

[Joe]

Who knows how long vB will be at the top? Just 18 months ago i thought UBB was the best thing in the world, then 14 months ago i found vB... The internet is to dynamic and new to make anything more then a 2 year commitment to a program / website :) Saything that, i just renued my lease for another year, and will be purchasing two more leases in the next month :)

[fastforward]

Originally posted by tubedogg
Yes, this is accurate, but follow it further down the road:

Thee years leased = $255 ($85 x 3)
Three years owned = $220 ($160 + ($30 x 2))
Savings thus far over leased: $15 (cause you lost $20 over the first 2 years)

etc.. etc...
[snip]

That's why I made this statement:

Were you using vB 2 years ago? In fact was vB even released 2 years ago. Will you be using vB in 2 years time?

[tubedogg]

That's why I made this statement:
Were you using vB 2 years ago? In fact was vB even released 2 years ago. Will you be using vB in 2 years time?Yes, and that's why I made this statement:Clearly if you intend to stick with vBulletin...

[fastforward]

Tubedog.. You really don't get it do you?

As a moderator you should really try to be less confrontational! You are not doing Jelsoft any favours at the moment (and I don't mean just this thread).

If you read the original posters question (aaronx88
) regarding why people buy leased licenses you will notice he/she specifically used 2 years as an example. He simply wanted to know why some people may prefer to buy leased licenses. Possible valid reasons were given by Joe and myself using 2 years as an example. My post was then qualified with other reasons why an owned license may be better for some people.

Your post then dismisses these reasons and talks about saving over 3,4,5 and 6 years. :rolleyes: Yeah, and after 300 years of using vB we could save thousands!

[tubedogg]

Aaron's original question mentioned no such time frame.
For two years, your logic is valid. However, I intend to stick with vBulletin as long as they continue to provide the best bulletin board software available - be it 2 years or 6 years or 10 years. I was pointing out that over the long term - beyond 2 years - you save more by getting an owned license.

I never said your reasons weren't valid. I never claimed to be the only one who was right.

I'm not going to back down from something just because I'm a moderator. I represent Jelsoft inasmuch as I was asked to help keep order in the forums and answer questions, etc. I don't see where that requires I become spineless and automatically agree with anything anyone says. You have your view, I have mine. I don't see why you don't accept that there can be two views of something, both right.

[Wayne Luke]

Come on Guys.. Let's get along here... You are both arguing over the same point...

You are arguing over something that you both proved exactly the same.

In the short term a leased license is cheaper than a owned one but if you plan to stick around for the long term then an owned license is cheaper.

Since the original question has been answered, I am closing this thread.