Persuade me

[KewLRoBbY]

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[Quillz]

Hey, Right now im in the process of either purchasing VB or IPB. Please persuade me.



Thanks in advance.
Well, both are very good products, and you can't go wrong with either. As an owner of both products, I can tell you from my experiences that vB is faster when it comes to customer service and support. I also find that vB is easier to skin natively, thanks to its usage of live preview windows. While vB has a more expensive and restrictive leased license, the owned license is cheaper than IPB's by $25. While vB was slow to add many popular features, such as multi-quote, when they are implemented, they are done in a very intelligent and professional way.

[conqsoft]

You're back again? I thought you were about to purchase one of them almost a year ago?

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=152224

[Colin F]

Have a look through our testimonials page and see what some of our other customers think: http://www.vbulletin.com/customers.php

[PKartar]

Hey, Right now im in the process of either purchasing VB or IPB. Please persuade me.



Thanks in advance.

Easily VB, at first I didnt want to put down 160 dollars on an owned license, but now Id say it was worth every penny, you get the best in forum softwares out there, not to mention access to www.vbulletin.org (http://www.vbulletin.org). Ive been surfing that site for days now checking up on all the styles and mods they got, it has gotten addicting. :)

[KewLRoBbY]

wedwe

[Mike Anime]

Welp, thursdays the day. I woulda had it sooner but a guy bailed on a 7 page layout i designed :( (7 hours). so my friends lending me the money. I desided to go VB instead of IPB :P.


trust me you wont regret it the product is better and you cant beat the support team :) well you can but only with blunt objects :D however, you wont want too unless you are in a strange mood :p ;)

[Markeez14]

JUST IN CASE ANYONE EVER ASKS THIS QUESTION AGAIN:

The people at IPS are bungling fools. The coding is slow, bulky, and full of errors. I am a former IPB customer, they lost me to vB. Their customer support is pathetic and useless, and they take months to fix the smallest of issues. My forum was hacked because of an exploit existing since 2003 that they failed to fix. I was happy I made backups- otherwise I would have lost everything. I've immediately moved to vBulletin.

Move to vB, you'll thank yourself- trust me. ;)

[whitetigergrowl]

JUST IN CASE ANYONE EVER ASKS THIS QUESTION AGAIN:

The people at IPS are bungling fools. The coding is slow, bulky, and full of errors. I am a former IPB customer, they lost me to vB. Their customer support is pathetic and useless, and they take months to fix the smallest of issues. My forum was hacked because of an exploit existing since 2003 that they failed to fix. I was happy I made backups- otherwise I would have lost everything. I've immediately moved to vBulletin.

Move to vB, you'll thank yourself- trust me. ;)

Funny. Securina doesnt show any exploits for it from what I see. Nor does anyone else.

Their support overal does stinks at speed. Also, IPB is more CSS based as VB is table based. So the coding will be different. But with my experiences with both, both are good, fast, and safe. Well as safe as a forum can be. What it comes down to is what your site needs. IPB can do things VB can't and vice versa. Heck some people still use PHPBB just because of that. Risks and all.

I'm sorry but anyone saying 'trust me' with a wink, loses my trust. Sounds like something a shoddy car salesman would say.

Can you prove...I mean prove it was from an exploit that they failed to fix and not just someone with a poor password that was brute forced. It also depends. Were you running on the 2.1 boards or 1.3? So many variables here its not even funny. Did you have hacks installed? Heck, look over Vb's forums. Because some one was able to access their site and wreck havoc with it, they blame VB's security almost right away. They dont even take into consideration the exploit could have come from a hack they had installed, or a brute forced password, or even a server exploit.

So 'trust me'. Both are good. But if you need fast support VB is better. The plug-in feature is nice too.

Check out both sites and see what you think.

[Markeez14]

Funny. Securina doesnt show any exploits for it from what I see. Nor does anyone else.

Their support overal does stinks at speed. Also, IPB is more CSS based as VB is table based. So the coding will be different. But with my experiences with both, both are good, fast, and safe. Well as safe as a forum can be. What it comes down to is what your site needs. IPB can do things VB can't and vice versa. Heck some people still use PHPBB just because of that. Risks and all.

I'm sorry but anyone saying 'trust me' with a wink, loses my trust. Sounds like something a shoddy car salesman would say.

Can you prove...I mean prove it was from an exploit that they failed to fix and not just someone with a poor password that was brute forced. It also depends. Were you running on the 2.1 boards or 1.3? So many variables here its not even funny. Did you have hacks installed? Heck, look over Vb's forums. Because some one was able to access their site and wreck havoc with it, they blame VB's security almost right away. They dont even take into consideration the exploit could have come from a hack they had installed, or a brute forced password, or even a server exploit.

So 'trust me'. Both are good. But if you need fast support VB is better. The plug-in feature is nice too.

Check out both sites and see what you think.
My forum didn't have any modifications at the time of the hack, nor was my password considered "hackable". It was over 10 characters, including space, numbers, and a character such as *.

Additionally, IPS immediately closed my thread and told me it was fixed in IPB 1.3. I was running IPB 2.1.1 at that time, and upon thorough research.. the exploit they claimed no longer exists was found by me on Google, and I was able to hack an account on my forum I created, with a simple password of "test". Even more, is that IPB 1.3 is infamous for it's "forgot password hack", which was NOT fixed, unless you manually patch it yourself. Even scarier was the fact that was how I was hacked.. 2 years after IPS "fixed" it.

Sure, IPB and vB are both great and established. But personally, vB is the better choice. If you want safety and support- you will choose vB. If you want easy peasy lemon squeezy, choose IPB- but you will regret it when you realize how slow their support is and when you login and realize you were hacked. :D

I have like.. 3 posts, car salesman? pffft :p

[Fusion]

It only takes 2 posts to be labeled as a car salesman, a shoddy one at that. :p

[Markeez14]

hey now, don't hurt my feelings! :p

:D

[Quillz]

My forum didn't have any modifications at the time of the hack, nor was my password considered "hackable". It was over 10 characters, including space, numbers, and a character such as *.

Additionally, IPS immediately closed my thread and told me it was fixed in IPB 1.3. I was running IPB 2.1.1 at that time, and upon thorough research.. the exploit they claimed no longer exists was found by me on Google, and I was able to hack an account on my forum I created, with a simple password of "test". Even more, is that IPB 1.3 is infamous for it's "forgot password hack", which was NOT fixed, unless you manually patch it yourself. Even scarier was the fact that was how I was hacked.. 2 years after IPS "fixed" it.

Sure, IPB and vB are both great and established. But personally, vB is the better choice. If you want safety and support- you will choose vB. If you want easy peasy lemon squeezy, choose IPB- but you will regret it when you realize how slow their support is and when you login and realize you were hacked. :D

I have like.. 3 posts, car salesman? pffft :p
IPB isn't any less secure than vB is. You already said you were running 2.1.1, which is an outdated version that has known security exploits. I have heard of older versions of vB being hacked just as easily, as well.

I agree with whitetigergrowl. Both are good solutions, and are very secure so long as you stay up-to-date. And while it's true that IPS is slower to respond to support tickets, they do offer helpful advice and are generally able to help out their customers.

[SiriusBlack22]

Dude, DO NOT use IPB. It is messy, unorganized, and lacks the features, support and awesome hacks (http://www.vbulletin.org) that vB has.

If you do not get vBulletin, there is something wrong with you! :D

[whitetigergrowl]

Dude, DO NOT use IPB. It is messy, unorganized, and lacks the features, support and awesome hacks (http://www.vbulletin.org) that vB has.

If you do not get vBulletin, there is something wrong with you! :D

PURE BS. I can easily point to hacks that IPB has that VB STILL does not have or hacks VB has that are better done and more full featured on IPB. Wheres that VB wiki? Lacks the features!? Guess what? IPB 2.1 and IPB 2.0 had features VB with 3.5 and 3.6 are just now starting to use. VB uses tables. IPB uses CSS. The coding is going to be different, but by no means is unorganized or messy. Most anyone that has had the time to spend between VB and IPB know that they cater to different crowds. HOWEVER, IPB has many features like IP Dynamic and IP Converge that people on VB have been asking for something similar to. Their support is slower, yes. But by no means is bad. Everyones experience will always differ. Both with IPB and VB. Both are excellent forum software. And no matter the forum software there will always be a learning curve. In fact if you look at requests for VB...most seem to come from features IPB has. Then again...vice versa. IMO...VB relies more heavily on its modding community. IPB 2.1 and 2.2 are full featured and are more 'experienced' or 'advanced' knowledge on CSS and other things. Something I know turns some people off.

Frankly put. Something has to be wrong with you if you listen to pure fanboy BS like that quote above.

[GreggH]

PURE BS. I can easily point to hacks that IPB has that VB STILL does not have or hacks VB has that are better done and more full featured on IPB.

I don't want to get into the coding and features, but the point the poster was trying to make about vB having more hacks/mods I think is very hard to dispute. Please "easily point" us to a list of third party hacks for IPB anywhere near as big as vBulletin.org is.

[SiriusBlack22]

PURE BS. I can easily point to hacks that IPB has that VB STILL does not have or hacks VB has that are better done and more full featured on IPB. Wheres that VB wiki? Lacks the features!? Guess what? IPB 2.1 and IPB 2.0 had features VB with 3.5 and 3.6 are just now starting to use. VB uses tables. IPB uses CSS. The coding is going to be different, but by no means is unorganized or messy. Most anyone that has had the time to spend between VB and IPB know that they cater to different crowds. HOWEVER, IPB has many features like IP Dynamic and IP Converge that people on VB have been asking for something similar to. Their support is slower, yes. But by no means is bad. Everyones experience will always differ. Both with IPB and VB. Both are excellent forum software. And no matter the forum software there will always be a learning curve. In fact if you look at requests for VB...most seem to come from features IPB has. Then again...vice versa. IMO...VB relies more heavily on its modding community. IPB 2.1 and 2.2 are full featured and are more 'experienced' or 'advanced' knowledge on CSS and other things. Something I know turns some people off.

Frankly put. Something has to be wrong with you if you listen to pure fanboy BS like that quote above.
Frankly put. It seems to me that you are a fanboy for IPB. If all you are going to do is explain to us why IPB is better than vBulletin, then we aren't going to persuade you. It doesn't seem like you even want vBulletin. So please stop wasting our time and go purchase IPB.

[Colin F]

Please don't turn this thread into a vB vs. IPB thread.
Everyone has stated their opinion, and this is nit the place to argue back and forth endlessly.

[Omeka]

Hey, Right now im in the process of either purchasing VB or IPB. Please persuade me.



Thanks in advance.
Hello
Not there are comparisons between vBulletin and IPB if the tests not changes more.
;) ;) ;)

[Quillz]

Frankly put. It seems to me that you are a fanboy for IPB. If all you are going to do is explain to us why IPB is better than vBulletin, then we aren't going to persuade you. It doesn't seem like you even want vBulletin. So please stop wasting our time and go purchase IPB.
I hardly think that stating facts would be considered a waste of one's time.

[ManagerJosh]

I think it's more opinion than fact though, Quillz.

[rogersnm]

Dudes and dudesses stay calm..



That was hippy wasn't it ;)

vBulletin IMO is easier to code and despite what sme poeple say it IS neater. That mihgt be why there are lots more hacks for it. And don't forget the hacks over at vBH (http://www.vbhackers.com/)

[Quillz]

I think it's more opinion than fact though, Quillz.
Some of it was, yes, but other parts were fact.

[Floris]

To be honest, I find it a bit of a shame that personal preference is pushed this hard each time someone asks about vB OR IPB, and make the thread a vB VS IPB. I rather see customers who want to help out in pre-sales to point a potential customer to the online manual for feature references and our search from the forums to find similar threads and point to the admin demo to give it a live-try and link to sites like big-boards.com for big communities using forum software statistics. And if a security is a topic to be discussed to point to an objective site like securityfocus where it's possible to search through reported security issues.

Our online manual can be found here:
http://www.vbulletin.com/docs/html/

The forum search can be found here:
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/search.php

You can request a private hosted vBulletin demo here:
(full admin access and auto expires after 24 hours)
http://www.vBulletin.com/admindemo

Site with statistics of how many times vBulletin is used by the top 1500 biggest forums on the internet:
(quick example -> 1000+ use vBulletin, 200+ use IPB or phpBB)
http://www.big-boards.com/statistics/

Site with security reports for software, IPB and vBulletin can seperatly be selected:
(quick example -> latest 5 security exploits for IPB appear to be real and were from the last 50 days, and latest 5 security exploits for vBulletin appear to be fake and spread over the last few months).
http://www.securityfocus.com/vulnerabilities

Anything else can be found here:
http://www.vbulletin.com/site_map.php

If you have any further pre-sales questions feel free to ask. And we're looking forward to your purchase.

[simsim]

Actually I didn't like the very beginning idea of 'persuade me'! You should persuade yourself instead of arguing members here to take the decision for you. Since this is a Pre-sales forum of vBulletin itself, you won't find many people who would recommend IPB for you as much as you won't find many people recommending vBulletin in IPB's Pre-sales forum! It's as simple as that.

As far as vBulletin & IPB has their own public sites that feature their products, you shouldn't take much time in deciding which one to choose. However, here are few guidelines that may help you make your mind up:
Price: What's your budget? And which forum lies within it?
Customer Support: You should study the how well the support goes on both sites. On this, I assure you no one can beat vBulletin staff.
Resources Availibilty: Which forum software has the most resources (i.e. hacks, plug-ins, add-ons, produtcs ..etc.) wether free or paid. This will enable you to extend your forum as it grows up.vBulletin & Invison Power Boards are both excellent forum software. Just remember that you should make the decision depending on your own needs, not on what others may recommend you.

Finally, I recommend vBulletin. :D

[eXaulz]

Both systems are fast and secure. It is truely up to you. You can't let other people make the decisions for you, right? Although, we can help you.

The reason that I purchased vBulletin is: the large (extremely large) extensions community there is for Styles and Modifications. In my personal opinion, all styles made for vBulletin look much better than the ones made for IPB. Even if they are the same style, just ported into different systems... look at the tren_z (http://www.extremepixels.com/forum/index.php?styleid=49) skin for vBulletin, then look at the same style (http://www.extremepixels.net/ipb/index.php?setskin=1&skinid=142) for IPB. Although they are similar, the vBulletin style looks much, much better... in my opinion.

The support, like others have said, is simply amazing and unbeatable. Why? The responses are fast and they answer my question.

Now the reason I would ever purchase IPB, would be for the ease of use, and for the default style. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

Hope this helps you find the system you want to use.