Powered by vBulletin...?!?

[latinO]

I have visited a lot of boards running vB, and I noticed that on every board after the title says Powered by vBulletin... Is this part of the copyright or can it be removed...?!

[tubedogg]

The "Powered by vBulletin" may be removed from the title of the page, and the version number itself (e.g. v2.0.0) may be removed from the footer. All of the other info must remain.

[latinO]

Thanks... :)

[ihelpyou]

Hi,

I am installing the board for the first time. Why do I see Many boards that do not display the copyright info at the bottom? Some of the boards are listed on this site.

Is there some other license to get where the notice does not have to be posted?

OR, are these sites just taking a big chance by deleting the info?

My guess is they deleted the info on purpose and are taking a chance with this.

[tubedogg]

There is a license that you can purchase to not display the copyright info.

However, most of these sites are probably not using this license, and are therefore in direct violation of the license terms.

[ihelpyou]

I purchased one owned license. Is this the one? I did not see any other options.
Thanks

[latinO]

Originally posted by tubedogg
There is a license that you can purchase to not display the copyright info.

What is the price of this license...?!

[Chris Schreiber]

Originally posted by ihelpyou
I purchased one owned license. Is this the one? I did not see any other options.

No, with this version you must leave the copyright in tact.... the version without the copyright can only be purchased directly from emailing sales@vbulletin.com

[Chris Schreiber]

Originally posted by latinO
What is the price of this license...?!

$160.

[ihelpyou]

I do not believe that having the notice is a big deal for me.

So this would be a total of $320... right?

BTW, the support displayed for this forum software is amazing.

Kudos to all of you.

[Mike Sullivan]

Originally posted by Chris Schreiber
$160. Actually, Chris, he was referring to the license without any copyright info -- not an owned license. :) You will have to email James directly for pricing.

[Oasis]

Does the price vary on the person licensing? If its fixed, then why not just post it?

[jmm]

Who and where is James? What is his email address?

[JohnM]

sales@vbulletin.com

[Fquist]

Anyways, why would anyone be annoyed by a little copyright text at the footer? It's not that big..

[Darin]

I actually like seeing the copyright text at the bottom. It shows that you are running a quality software, which is something to be proud of.

[latinO]

Originally posted by Darin
I actually like seeing the copyright text at the bottom. It shows that you are running a quality software, which is something to be proud of.

hehehe... :D

[Fquist]

When you buy a volkswagen you will see it is a volkswagon..

[Nicholas Brown]

Originally posted by Darin
I actually like seeing the copyright text at the bottom. It shows that you are running a quality software, which is something to be proud of.

I Totally Agree with this :)

[eva2000]

Originally posted by Nicholas Brown


I Totally Agree with this :) same here :D

[xshredx]

although i more like a car with all the names and stuff removed from the back :)
let's say a volkswagen golf, nicely tuned and with all letters, names, and whatever taken off the car -> really good looking.
but that's another (styles are personal) discussion...
the footer on vbulletin doesn't bother me... not because you have to be proud you're running quality software (vbulletin is, don't get me wrong)... but that's a thing i only would do it it was self-written software :)
it's on almost every message board software, and it was what brought me over here, when i saw a cool looking board, and then typed in the-in-the-footer-name in google...
i personally would like it when jelsoft would leave us free to decide if we want to leave it in or not, but it is not such a problem for me... i only think it would be better if we could leave it out, because sometimes if you put a lot around vbulletin (i mean, vbulletin integrated in another tables layout), you'd which you could throw that footer out...

[BobHope]

Also keeping the "Powered By" stops people asking the same question: "what make is the board?" a friend of mine removed this on his UBB kept getting the question all the time so he put it back again and has vowed never to remove it again :D

[michaelcc]

I try to contact sales@vbulletin.com, but no answer.

So I assume that at the same price ($160), we can remove copyright ... and vB logo.

Thanks,

[Freddie Bingham]

Originally posted by michaelcc
I try to contact sales@vbulletin.com, but no answer.

So I assume that at the same price ($160), we can remove copyright ... and vB logo.

Thanks, You assume incorrectly. The logo can be removed but the copyright cannot be without paying for the special license.

[michaelcc]

Originally posted by freddie
You assume incorrectly. The logo can be removed but the copyright cannot be without paying for the special license.

Your forum is beautiful!

But can you tell me the total cost?

Thanks,

[Wayne Luke]

The total price to download the forum is:

Leased License (valid for 1 year): $85

Owned Licence: $160

The license to remove the copyright is determined on a case by case basis.

[michaelcc]

Originally posted by wluke
The total price to download the forum is:

Leased License (valid for 1 year): $85

Owned Licence: $160

The license to remove the copyright is determined on a case by case basis.


hm... what do you mean case by case?
It is not so complicated, isn't it?!

It is not about leased licence or owned license.

[Wayne Luke]

The price for removing the copyright is not published. You will have to contact sales for further information..

I personally don't see what the problem with the copyright is, but if you want to legally remove it then you will have to follow the proper channels.

I don't know about others but because of the affiliate program, the copyright line alone has earned SitePointForums over $300 dollars this month.

[michaelcc]

Originally posted by wluke
The price for removing the copyright is not published. You will have to contact sales for further information..

I personally don't see what the problem with the copyright is, but if you want to legally remove it then you will have to follow the proper channels.

I don't know about others but because of the affiliate program, the copyright line alone has earned SitePointForums over $300 dollars this month.

I have no problem too to display "power by ...".
I am just interested to know the price. I have send this request to sales@- twice, but still no answer.

And I wonder why charge a higher cost for just remove "power by ..."

[klisis]

Originally posted by michaelcc


I have no problem too to display "power by ...".
I am just interested to know the price. I have send this request to sales@- twice, but still no answer.

And I wonder why charge a higher cost for just remove "power by ..."

I onced asked (actually E-mailed) Microsoft how much I would be charged if I want copyright removed Windows. I didn't expect reply but I got one. They said I need to pay $300.000 for removing the copyright.

Copyright text is more like your brand Logo. And Logo is the face of a company and a form of advertising. If you do not want them to advertise, you pay reasonable fee.

Does it answer your question?

[michaelcc]

So how much should I pay for ...

Do you think you have answered my question?
:confused: :confused:

Thank you anyway.:D :D

[tubedogg]

Originally posted by michaelcc


I have no problem too to display "power by ...".
I am just interested to know the price. I have send this request to sales@- twice, but still no answer.

And I wonder why charge a higher cost for just remove "power by ..."

Do you rip the logos off your shoes? Do you chip the logo off the back of your car? Do you tear the logo off the back of your jeans?

Why should vBulletin be any different? Jelsoft doesn't even require that it be a link, unlike InfoPop which does as well as forcing you to display an image.

[klisis]

Originally posted by michaelcc
So how much should I pay for ...

Do you think you have answered my question?
:confused: :confused:

Thank you anyway.:D :D

You don't understand "case by case", do you?

If M$ wants VB for their support forum and want copyright to be removed, M$ will have to pay exteme amount of money since lots of people will miss Jelsoft's copyright text advertising. M$ will be paying Jelsoft's loss as a name of copyright removal fee.

If an indiviual wants to the copyright removed, the fee will be much smaller, yet reasonable amount of money.

It's CaSe by Case. You don't know the price unless you talk Jelsoft.

[Glitch]

So aaah, we can't remove it w/o paying an extra "fee" eh? ...

My lord what is up with global business on the free adverts these days, first aol and now you, you should be charged back a fee for forcing this issue, it's kinda the same thing when you sign up with a telephone or internet service company ... instead of the expectation of not giving out your personal information to other company's "maintining your privacy", now you have to look at the fine print for an option to request that they do not give it out... by forcing the display of this copyright notice you in fact recieve free advertising, maybe I should approach microsoft/correl and introduce this concept and they can put a non removable tag at the bottom of every word document you create eh?... wouldn't that make us all soooo happy? VB is an awsome product, and it's going to be on just about EVERY site, why punish your supporters?

... So would it be permissable to change the font size to say nill? :D Hmmm


Glitch

[Steve Machol]

Glithc,

I hardly see where providing a small copyright notice at the bottom of our forums is 'punishing' us. Jeez, don't you think that's a little over-dramatic! :rolleyes:

[Wayne Luke]

Originally posted by Glitch
So aaah, we can't remove it w/o paying an extra "fee" eh? ...

My lord what is up with global business on the free adverts these days, first aol and now you, you should be charged back a fee for forcing this issue, it's kinda the same thing when you sign up with a telephone or internet service company ... instead of the expectation of not giving out your personal information to other company's "maintining your privacy", now you have to look at the fine print for an option to request that they do not give it out... by forcing the display of this copyright notice you in fact recieve free advertising, maybe I should approach microsoft/correl and introduce this concept and they can put a non removable tag at the bottom of every word document you create eh?... wouldn't that make us all soooo happy? VB is an awsome product, and it's going to be on just about EVERY site, why punish your supporters?

... So would it be permissable to change the font size to say nill? :D Hmmm


Glitch

We could charge the same level of fees that Microsoft, Corel and Adobe charge as well.

I don't consider it a punishment. SitePointForums.com made $300 off the copyright link in the footer last month. You see I turned it into an affiliate link to their product and make 20% off of every sale through it.

[Glitch]

Originally posted by smachol
Glithc,

I hardly see where providing a small copyright notice at the bottom of our forums is 'punishing' us. Jeez, don't you think that's a little over-dramatic! :rolleyes:

Maybe I'm a little dramatic, but if the forum is to be used in say the investment community, it does seem rather unprofessional to "display your new Nike shoes"... I've yet to see one pair of "Dress" shoes that displays a label, but everyone in your circle knows who made them...



Originally posted by wluke


We could charge the same level of fees that Microsoft, Corel and Adobe charge as well.

I don't consider it a punishment. SitePointForums.com made $300 off the copyright link in the footer last month. You see I turned it into an affiliate link to their product and make 20% off of every sale through it.

Actually, purchasing a retail product from microsoft nets you free support as the end user, and considering the amount of code contained within an os or bos or any of the office products, well, lets not get into that because there is dependancies on open source products as well...

hmmm...

If an affiliate program is an option than I would expect that it be listed in the members section, excellent thinking on your part but I didn't think Jellsoft would agree to that...

Glitch

[akiy]

Originally posted by Glitch
If an affiliate program is an option than I would expect that it be listed in the members section, excellent thinking on your part but I didn't think Jellsoft would agree to that...
The affiliate program to which Wayne refers is prominently listed on the front page (http://www.vbulletin.com) of this site...

Also: http://www.vbulletin.com/affiliate.html

[Glitch]

Originally posted by akiy

The affiliate program to which Wayne refers is prominently listed on the front page (http://www.vbulletin.com) of this site...

Also: http://www.vbulletin.com/affiliate.html


And it is (my bad) while this is good news for me, I didn't take notice of that until it became an issue for me to tell the owner of a company that if he wants the same software I have he'll have to pay more to remove that copyright notice when his site is ready for a forum...

Glitch

[Wayne Luke]

Originally posted by Glitch



And it is (my bad) while this is good news for me, I didn't take notice of that until it became an issue for me to tell the owner of a company that if he wants the same software I have he'll have to pay more to remove that copyright notice when his site is ready for a forum...

Glitch

Yahoo has to display Google's logo as part of their agreement.

Lycos has to display Fast's logo...

Many sites have to display the logos of Akamai, SAP, IBM as part of license agreements.

These are common occurences among the web. Personally it brings reassurances to the end user to know that the products being used are good quality products. While vBulletin won't cost you the same as a top of the line SAP ecommerce solution (around $500,000 minimum) or even a enterprise level installation of Lotus Notes or MS SQL Server ($15,000 minimum), I do say that as much care, effort and professionalism goes into the product and it should make the end user feel at ease.

I can say that of all the bulletin boards out there, there is only one that I post at regularly that isn't vBulletin. I secretly wish they would upgrade everyday because they are using UBB. However it is the only one and I will not register on any other software except for UBB or vBulletin. I won't even register for Yahoo's clubs because I know they aren't as good as vBulletin.

[Glitch]

I'm just protesting what I see as unfair, $160 purchases an owned license for intellectual property that you can only customize to the point of Jellsofts limitations, now right there I don't feel like I own it anymore...

Glitch

[fastforward]

Originally posted by Glitch
I'm just protesting what I see as unfair, $160 purchases an owned license for intellectual property that you can only customize to the point of Jellsofts limitations, now right there I don't feel like I own it anymore...

Glitch
The reason vB is only $160 is because this 'advertising' was factored in to the cost. They could have left the copyright display requirement out and charged $400 a license (or whatever). But then everyone would complain it's too expensive and say things like 'why can't you display a copyright and charge us less Jelsoft?'. Whatever they do there will always be a few unhappy people :)

The affilliate link is a great idea though. That little text link has the highest number of clicks out of all my CJ links :D I haven't had any purchases yet though :mad:

[ihelpyou]

This thread is killing me. (rolling with laughter til my sides hurt) :)

The internet started out wrong in my opinion. EVERYTHING was offered for FREE since the days of startup with the military info being passed thru it.

Now, we are just starting to realize that .... hey, good information and good products, and good services should NOT be free.

Yes, free info will always be available but in "real life" business, this is not the norm.

MANY on the net still believe we all "owe" them something and continue to expect ALL good info and services and product should be free to them.

This is a killer.

I am sure that most of us agree that we ALL do give away TOoooo many things. Our time, our knowledge, etc.

Yet, for many, nothing we do will be enough for those of you with the mindset of.... "what can I get for free today?"

We who purchased this vb forum software, DO NOT OWN the software rights in ANY way, shape or form.

We purchased the right to HOST the software on our individual web sites. Period.

This thread is a dead issue. You know what to do if you do not wish to display the copyright info. BUY the right. Period.

Most of us will agree that we are "proud" of where and who owns the software rights AND are "proud" to display it.

Of course, and as always.... IMO

<added>geezee, after reading my post I should note that I have never had any association with the developer of VB or any of their assciates. Gosh, I do not even know the name of the owner. :) and, do not have the board online yet.</added>

[klisis]

Originally posted by Glitch
I'm just protesting what I see as unfair, $160 purchases an owned license for intellectual property that you can only customize to the point of Jellsofts limitations, now right there I don't feel like I own it anymore...

Glitch

Post that on UBB support forum and your post will be thrown to trash can in matter of time. lol

[Vinnie]

Yeah I kind of like the copyright notice.

Its like a big sign that says "This PHP/MySQL software delivers a major spanking to forum solutions that cost 10 times more and deliver less than a third of the features".

[Aunt Jemima]

Why does this topic become so big every time?
Who cares if there is Copyright text - most users dont even notice it or care about it...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[tubedogg]

Originally posted by Glitch
I'm just protesting what I see as unfair, $160 purchases an owned license for intellectual property that you can only customize to the point of Jelsofts' limitations, now right there I don't feel like I own it anymore...

/me thinks I said this earlier, but I'm not sure and I'm too lazy to check.
Do you rip the logo off of your car? Do you customize Windows so there's not a single place on the system that it says Microsoft or Windows? Do you black out the copyright on your CD liners? Do you cover up the logo or brand name on your pens?
If you don't like it, you shouldn't have bought the license. It's not like it wasn't in the license agreement you agreed to at the time of purchase.
You own a license to use the product. You do not own the intellectual property, nor do you own the rights to that intellectual property. You own the right to borrow the software and use it. The "own" part comes in where you never have to stop using it - you don't actually own the product. It's the same with any other software on the planet. Your right to use the product stops at the limitations of the license agreement, which as I mentioned are the same as when you bought it.

[JackG]

This forum is SOOOO REASONABLY Priced. It has helped my web site tripple it's meber base in a short 6 months (Not that I have a hell of allot of peeps..but it did triple).

It helped doube my Sponsor revenue.

I can't imagine someone complaining about the copyright notice.

I just hope Jelsoft dosent triple the price of this forum.
Even though it's worth it :-)

Thanks for giving us little people a shot to go after some of the bigger sites.

[Skeptical]

I personally don't like the required vB link myself. All it does is give away what I use to my competitors. But that's how they want it, they want free advertising without paying $ for it. What can you do? If you don't like it or it bothers you that much, look elsewhere.

Btw, there IS a separate license you can get to remove the copyrights, so it's not like they're not giving you a choice.


I thought Aunt Jamima was making syrup. When did she become a webmaster? Next we'll be seeing Shaquille O'neal doing ballet.

[tubedogg]

Originally posted by Skeptical
I personally don't like the required vB link myself.Actually you are not required to do a link - you *are* required to leave &copy; Jelsoft but it doesn't have to link to vbulletin.com

[Steve Machol]

Originally posted by tubedogg
Actually you are not required to do a link - you *are* required to leave &copy; Jelsoft but it doesn't have to link to vbulletin.com

Frankly this is what I don't understand. Jelsoft owns the copyright to vBulletin. Why does it bother anyone that this copyright notice must be displayed? :confused:

[JamesUS]

Put it this way - it will not be changed. So if you don't want to put it there then pay the fee or put up with it.

[Glitch]

Ya'll are taken me too seriously, it's not really that big of an issue to me other than the customer purchasing a product that is expected to be customized, with the limitation of removing the corperate tag on the front page (just a pet pieve of mine), dunno about you but when I customize something, anything, be it a car, or whatever I generally do not have limitations of this nature I'm expected to make it mine and it's hard to do with someone else's signature on it, I've never seen this rule to NOT remove the corperate tag before (and no I don't, & wouldn't own UBB), it seems to cause a distraction to me while trying to reach for artistic ability...(good idea about seeing how long a post of this nature will last on the UBB site, might be a good experiment worthy of the entertainment value :)), I've only seen a product to be disqualified for support because of alteration to functionality... Never-the-less, it doesn't bother me but I'm sure it will bother some folks that I refer this product to and can sway their decission... I like VB and would like to see the company take over the market, but this characteristic seems petty and possibly (hopefully) just adopted from UBB and could be changed... Now if price can remove it, to some of the folks in my circle this will not be an issue at any price on their decission, to others it will....

Glitch

[The Prohacker]

You know, no one should even complain for a 160 fee to remove the copyright. A certain other forum software charges around 700 for the no copyright licence......

[JamesUS]

Originally posted by The Prohacker
You know, no one should even complain for a 160 fee to remove the copyright. A certain other forum software charges around 700 for the no copyright licence......

The copyright removal fee is NOT $160 :) that is the fee for the product WITH copyright.

To find out the removal fee you will need to email james@vbulletin.com as it can depend upon size of forum, etc as was said earlier.

[tubedogg]

A certain other forum charges 2500+ for a large company (per year) and you cannot remove the copyright...

[Glitch]

Originally posted by JamesUS
To find out the removal fee you will need to email james@vbulletin.com as it can depend upon size of forum, etc as was said earlier.


Please clarify, if said price was agreed upon at the start of the forum and the forum 'takes off' and the user number multiplies, will the cost of this multiply to continue running with it 'removed' as well?

Also please elaborate on this, if the forum was to be closed down for what ever reason, this additional paid cost of removal of the copyright in place... Could the forum then be re-implemented under a different subject?

We know the develpers want the most profitable option (most business does) but we as customers would like to see things in writing to prevent hidden costs and confusion and promote fair and impartial treatment no matter the situation, that is just good business...

And yes the $160 owned license is a nominal fee, but it is an addition to the hardware and os, infrastructure, and ISP costs... and that $160 in comparason to $700 is a difference, in any case when a quote is made, these things need to be ironed out...

Glitch

[tubedogg]

Obviously this is going nowhere. If you would like to know the cost of removing the copyright, please email james@vbulletin.com - none of us can answer that question here.