vBulletin 3.0.13 Release Discussion

[Kier]

This thread is for discussing the release of vBulletin 3.0.13.

Please use this thread to talk about things you like or installation experiences etc., but please do not use this thread to post troubleshooting queries or bug reports. These threads tend to grow very large and bug reports etc. tend to become lost and will not get attention from the support or development teams.

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[Floris]

- hey - a new version.

[PitchouneN64ngc]

Thank you for this newer version, even if I'm on vB 3.5.x branch ;)

[0ptima]

Im still running a patched 3.0.7 vb!

[albrens]

Thank you for this newer version :)

[Zachery]

Im still running a patched 3.0.7 vb!
You should really upgrade.

[0ptima]

You should really upgrade.
I have applied all the patches since 3.0.8, so am I safe?

[Steve Machol]

I have applied all the patches since 3.0.8, so am I safe?
There is no guarantee since the patches are really only tested with the previous version.

[David Bott]

Greetings...

What changes were made to functions.php? Need to ask, for most of us who still on the 3.0.x versions are of cource running on modified scripts to help the sites operate.

Thank you.

[Zachery]

You can do a comparsion but we do not provide any specific details, its in your best intrests to upgrade.

[David Bott]

You can do a comparsion but we do not provide any specific details, its in your best intrests to upgrade.

You have in the past outlined the issue and what changes to make to be secure.

Sure, upgrade is always an answer. However when you are concerned with the current version running OK on large sites, then it is not an option. Way to many reports or server load issues. Seeing we see 3500+ users at a time with a Alexa rank under 1700, it then becomes a LARGE issue.

[DoMiN8ToR]

I have the same concern as David, but I've been naugthy and upgraded my 3.0.6 with the patch and it seems to work flawlessy.

[Zachery]

You have in the past outlined the issue and what changes to make to be secure.

Sure, upgrade is always an answer. However when you are concerned with the current version running OK on large sites, then it is not an option. Way to many reports or server load issues. Seeing we see 3500+ users at a time with a Alexa rank under 1700, it then becomes a LARGE issue.
I'm not asking you to upgrade to 3.5., just the latest version in the 3.0.x serries which has no signficant changes to date.

A forum that has no hacks takes seconds to upgrade, it is not our responability to provide support for non stock code.

[David Bott]

I'm not asking you to upgrade to 3.5., just the latest version in the 3.0.x serries which has no signficant changes to date.

A forum that has no hacks takes seconds to upgrade, it is not our responability to provide support for non stock code.

100% agree. But you do know that the stock Vb sotware will not support a site of the size we are talking. Thus changes are a must to keep it all happy and running without issue. (Even going to the current 3.X is not really an option.)

In our case, and the case of others, we can not just drop the functions.php file which is a master file. The sendmessaege.php is more or less a sub file that really is not changed for the most part and thus can just be dropped in, and has been in our case.

So, all that is being asked for is....what was changed? You know, replace this with this kind of thing which has been done before.

Thank you.

[Zachery]

I can't ever remember anyone ever (at least on the staff) showing a diff of the two files, if anything its always been done by someone else.

And thats not true, forums of great size can run unmodified code and preform, and go well.

vBulletin.com for one example.

[David Bott]

I can't ever remember anyone ever (at least on the staff) showing a diff of the two files, if anything its always been done by someone else.

And thats not true, forums of great size can run unmodified code and preform, and go well.

vBulletin.com for one example.


I will not argue this point with you...it is useless. Example, you just compared this site to AVS Forum. This site is not considered large at all in comparison to other sites that run your code. All the large sites I know have to run modified code...just ask.

Case in point...Currently on AVS Forum...

Threads: 627,353, Posts: 7,063,643, Members: 225,804 With over 3800 people on-line with a 20 minute time out when this post was made.

I am sorry...But really, you went the wrong way with that one. ;)

Just be happy we use your software....we make you look good. I have been with you a long time guy. ;)

Just looking for some help here on a security issue.

[Zachery]

You are right, I must not know much considering I only run several big boards, am their system administrator, and the forums run with over 1500 users online with no modifications.

Yeap.

[Ken Iovino]

Great way to speak with customers.

David, a great tool I used to use is Araxis Merge (http://www.araxis.com/). With this software, your able to open 2 files side by side. for example in your case. functions.php (3.0.6 version) and functions.php (3.0.13 version)

This program will compair both files, and show you all the changes made. Your able to merge old changes with new ones, or vis versa. Hope this helps you out some as it did me for awhile. :)

[Colin F]

I use the freeware program WinMerge (http://winmerge.sourceforge.net/).

[feldon23]

I believe some of the core code hacks that David Bott is running were suggested to him by Jelsoft staff. The AVS Forum (one of the top home theater enthusiast forums including people who have $100k+ worth of gear) and TiVo Community Forum (linked directly from TiVo.com) run on significantly modified copies of vB3.0.x.

[David Bott]

Thank you for the software links guys. Seeing I stopped at .6 with full upgrades and just added in security fixes and other enhancements, the functions.php, between the two versions, may be harder to figure out what they changed fo just this fix.

I thought what I asked was simple..."What chage was made?" But I guess not. Heck, even a PM would have worked.

At this point MAYBE we will move TiVo Community to 3.5, but once you do, you can not go back. It is either that or looking at another package all together seeing it is so hard to keep the code happy on larger sites without larger overhead. (With 3.5 MySql from what I can see has been greatly reduced in load. But the web servers require a lot more memory it seems.)

[feldon23]

Hi David,

Long time no talk.

The greatest thing about vB3.5 is that most of your efforts in keeping the forum up-to-date will shift away from editing PHP files and move to editing templates.

Most of the hacks and add-ons you've got at TiVo Community and AVS Forum are available as Plugins. There are over 550 places within the vB PHP code where you can use a Plug-in to accomplish the same task that used to require editing the original PHP file and then managing that code.

Also, there are Template Conditionals. Instead of hacking up a PHP file to show different things to different users, you can now put a line like:
<if condition="is_member_of($bbuserinfo, 7)">You must be an administrator!</if> into your templates to accomplish the same thing.

vB3.0 to vB3.5 is painful for a heavily modified forum, but worth it. There's a Plugin control panel where you'll be able to see everything at a glance. There are some template changes from vB3.0 to vB3.5 that are mandatory, otherwise things break.

I would make a list of all the mods you're using and make sure vB3.5 versions exist for all of them since almost all the variable names that matter were renamed or removed.

Quick Reply, Quick Edit, and many other things that you've hacked into vB3.0 are now included in vB3.5. The WYSIWYG editor is also much improved. Hopefully a Jelsoft staff member will open up a dialogue with you (as they have in the past) and help you with performance questions.

vB3.5 is worth it!

[simsim]

Another good file comparison utility is Beyond Compare (http://www.scootersoftware.com/).

David, due to discussions took place here (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=173756) a forum dedicated to issues related to running Big Boards (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=172) has been opened at vB.org. It would be very helpful IMO.

[David Bott]

Yes, I was part of that thread. :)

Thank you again for the link. Now, this thread needs to go back on topic.

[Colin F]

vBulletin 3.0.14 (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=183331) has been released.
Please continue discussion in the vBulletin 3.0.14 Release Discussion (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=183334).