$ Question...

[Kylecool]

I want to use VBulletin on my website, kylecool.com , but I don't have the money. I want to make it commercial, and my new site design miught refelct that. The new design will be dometime next month. Is there ANYWAY to get vbulltein for free if i leave a lot of links on it to this website? Any way, im only 14..

-Kyle:)

[Steve Machol]

Nice try but I don't think you're going to talk anyone into giving you a free vB. I tried the same thing with my local Lexus dealer but he had absolutely no sympathy with the fact that I couldn't afford to buy one! :D

You should really consider some of the free bulletin boards that are available. I hear a lot of good things about Ikonboard.

Good luck!

[Kylecool]

I have phpbb, but i liek this one. i really want it. Even if i advertise vbulletin?
Kyle

[Steve Machol]

Yeah I really wanted that Lexus too. It was much nicer than my Geo Tracker! :D

[Kylecool]

Been 6 months. Still want it. LOL

-Kyle

[SilverArrow]

Piggy bank? :D

[Mr. X]

jeez Kyle I see you everwhere. On HR's boards, on WHT, etc. :)

Really can you give me a good reason why anyone here would give you something they paid either $80 or $160 to you for free? I've seen you use the "im only 14" excuse before. Its not gonna work here buddy. I mean come on. I sure want a ferrari, and I will gladly tattoo the company emblem on my ass if it'll get me a free ride by advertising it, but thats not gonna happen, so its either pay up, or use the number of free boards out there.

[Kylecool]

Originally posted by Mr. X
jeez Kyle I see you everwhere. On HR's boards, on WHT, etc. :)

Really can you give me a good reason why anyone here would give you something they paid either $80 or $160 to you for free? I've seen you use the "im only 14" excuse before. Its not gonna work here buddy. I mean come on. I sure want a ferrari, and I will gladly tattoo the company emblem on my ass if it'll get me a free ride by advertising it, but thats not gonna happen, so its either pay up, or use the number of free boards out there.

Dude, I was JUST KIDDING!! However, I am a frequent browser and poster pretty much everywhere, LOL!! It's kinda cool that everyone know me. I don't really want Vbulletin anyway, just was bored. LOL

-Kyle

[Mr. X]

I checked out your site, and it said you can do professional installations of software, including vBulletin. If you dont have vB, how can you claim that? ;)

[Kylecool]

I know php and mysql, i can install scripts and since all the Vbulletin people did it, I can. :) Also, I work for a webhosting company and I have run the install script for them once they uploaded the files and I setup their MySql information for them. :)
To be honest, I think I will stay with OpenBB and not buy vbulletin for myself until it becomes profitable where I make more money on my website where I can afford it. :)

-Kyle

[sydney078]

You work for a webhosting company at 14?? You cant afford to dish out 80.00 to run VB?? Hmmm you are utterly confusing

[Goldfinger]

working for a webhost at 14? if i owned a webhost i wouldnt trust anyone under 16 to even touch my servers or anything. and probably not even then i mean im not that old myself but i mean come on i wanted vbulletin so i dished out the 94$ (i was taxed for living in WA :() and i love vbulletin, even if my bulletin board isnt up right now. lol. Anyway i'd advertise for that BMW M3 if they would give me one for free :).

[Goldfinger]

and if youre "working" for a webhost you should be able to save for vbulletin in a few short weeks :).

[Kaizen]

Originally posted by Goldfinger
working for a webhost at 14? if i owned a webhost i wouldnt trust anyone under 16 to even touch my servers or anything. and probably not even then i mean im not that old myself but i mean come on i wanted vbulletin so i dished out the 94$ (i was taxed for living in WA :() and i love vbulletin, even if my bulletin board isnt up right now. lol. Anyway i'd advertise for that BMW M3 if they would give me one for free :).

age prejudice !

just because someone is younger doesnt mean they do not have the talent to complete the job!

Usually the opposite because they more free time etc

[sydney078]

Sure a lot of younger kids know A LOT about computers- but working for a company at 14?! Go be a kid for pete's sake- you will have plenty of time to work when you are older. What ever happen to states having age restriction limits on when you can work- shouldnt it be when you can at least drive a car to get there

[Kaizen]

You can do both....

I do.

[sydney078]

look, I am not going into this anymore here- it isnt the forum for this-

[Goldfinger]

Originally posted by Kaizen


age prejudice !

just because someone is younger doesnt mean they do not have the talent to complete the job!

Usually the opposite because they more free time etc

Yes i am entitled to my opinon plus im not that old myself but i know i wouldnt because , (1) the age laws for kids who are under the age of 16 in the United States, (2) the maturity level isnt there yet.

[MrCary3]

:D Very interesting Kyle ;)

[Kaizen]

and what I think it that your opinion is uneducated. Have you met anyone in person that is 14/15/16/17 etc that can do all this stuff on the net.

You are completely correct; you are entitled to your opinion. However I think it would change it you met me.

Originally posted by Goldfinger

the age laws for kids who are under the age of 16 in the United States

What specific laws are you talking about? As far I know anyone above 14 can work 8 hours a week? Above 16 - not restricted.

Originally posted by Goldfinger

(2) the maturity level isnt there yet.


How do you know. Not everyone lives up to the sterotype of being rude and acting like a child etc. This does not immediately happen when they turn 18 or 17 when they go out to work. This starts at different times for some people and never comes along for others.

Just my 2 cents.

[sydney078]

Maybe in the UK they dont care about 14 yrs olds working but their are laws about it in the US- I highly doubt any US company would hire a 14 year old regarless of what knowledge they may have- Anyway- if you read Goldfinger's post he said "(1) the age laws for kids who are under the age of 16 in the United States"

So yes, he meant in the US. IMHO there is no reason for a 14 year old to be working at a real job- stick to to jobs like mowing the law, paper route, that type of thing=- Heck if a teen is working at a real job at 14, he will feel old by the time he hits 21. Enjoy your teen years- And you can say all you want, but a kid who is going to school and keeping his grades up while going to work at a adult job is missing out on his childhood- May not see it now, but you will later

Anyway- this whole thread has nothing to do with VB Hosting options so hopefully a MOD or the ADMIN will do away with it

[Chen]

Originally posted by sydney078
Anyway- this whole thread has nothing to do with VB Hosting options so hopefully a MOD or the ADMIN will do away with it
Nice hint. ;)

[Goldfinger]

Originally posted by Kaizen

what specific laws.

The law is this.. they cant work more than 8 hours per week and they must take an hour break every 4 hours. AND the employer must get an underage employee license and go through training by the state and what not. And trust me if i was a company i would not want to go through that hassle just to hire a kid. And actually i dont there isnt that many MATURE 14 year olds. And like sydney said enjoy your teen years you have the rest of your life to work.

[Kaizen]

Fair points.

You have both said - > go and enjoy your teens etc. What exactly do you mean by that; Do you mean that all teens should go out with their mates, cinema, skating rink etc etc

What if they want to do their saturday job over the net and ultimately learn more things about the world they are entering.

We all do things, regardless of our age, that satisfy our ID. So why shouldn't a 15 year old from England do web maintenance for a company in american for a few ours a week.

I agree you have to strike a balance but i think this is easily done.

[Skeptical]

When I was a teen I always thought I was as mature as all the adults. And then when I got older I realized I was wrong. Reaching maturity is a gradual process, not one that suddenly hits you on your 18th birthday. Looking back, I don't think I really reached total maturity till I was 24. I'm 28 now.

But that's just me. Different strokes for different folks.

[Kaizen]

Originally posted by Skeptical
Different strokes for different folks.

Exactly my point.

[tubedogg]

Originally posted by sydney078
I highly doubt any US company would hire a 14 year old regarless of what knowledge they may have-McDonald's. Arby's. KMart. Do you want me to keep listing the companies that legally hire 14 year olds? It is not illegal so long as you get a work permit from your school and follow the laws regarding the times you can work.

This debate comes up every now and then over at SitePoint Forums and everyone is always utterly surprised when they find a good deal of the heavy posters there are in their teens and not their 20s. Age does not mean anything - a person can be 30 but act like a 12 year old and a person can also be 15 and have 2 after school jobs and the responsibility and maturity of a 30 year old.

[Kaizen]

Originally posted by tubedogg
McDonald's. Arby's. KMart. Do you want me to keep listing the companies that legally hire 14 year olds? It is not illegal so long as you get a work permit from your school and follow the laws regarding the times you can work.

This debate comes up every now and then over at SitePoint Forums and everyone is always utterly surprised when they find a good deal of the heavy posters there are in their teens and not their 20s. Age does not mean anything - a person can be 30 but act like a 12 year old and a person can also be 15 and have 2 after school jobs and the responsibility and maturity of a 30 year old.

Thats exactly what I have been trying to say!

Thx tubedogg

[tubedogg]

Originally posted by Kaizen


Thats exactly what I have been trying to say!

Thx tubedogg Mind you I'm not necessarily defending you. :p hehe :)
I was just pointing out he was blatenly wrong on the laws.

[JamesUS]

You'd be surprised how many people are under 16/18 when you'd think they're not :)

[Skeptical]

Originally posted by JamesUS
You'd be surprised how many people are under 16/18 when you'd think they're not :)

And you'd be surprised how many people are OVER 18 when you think they're just little kids. ;)

[Chen]

Originally posted by JamesUS
You'd be surprised how many people are under 16/18 when you'd think they're not :)
Very surprised.

[Kylecool]

Hello Everyone,
I wasn't going to reply to this thread for many reasons, however, watching it closely I can see that this may have "vexed" you knowing about this. Just so you know, I do go to a National Blue Ribbon School of Excellence, and it is a College Preparatory High School. I have good grades and I am doing fine with school and I have a great time at dances, etc. I think it is blatantly rude to say that all 14 year old's are "not mature." I think you seriously need to see the mature ones. I have been commented by many adult figures in the hosting world that said numerous times how responsible I am, I am very nice to customers, I am very smart, I handle things well, etc. I think you see a couple bad ones on TV, and you have yet to see the ones like me who are trying to be successful in their life. You really need to think about some things.

As far as these things go, I am 15. My birthday was on November 12th. :cool: :D

I do not even work that much. I do work or shall I say "assist" a hosting company with basic server maintenance and customer support. Mainly, I set-up new accouts and handle customer support. Most of my customers love my professionalism and kindness, and are very happy for me to reply to them. I know there are a lot of hosts who leave 1 line answers as I had one before, and it sucks. I like to even call my clients by name, and get to know them too. This makes their personal hosting experience very fun, thrilling, and it makes them happy. I enjoy doing this. I don't have to, but I wanted to. I don't even work many hours. They already have full-time people workign at my workplace. I do it remotely, and I just answer a couple of trouble tickets on most days. On the Weekends, I do a little more, however, I never work for very long at all. I still don't work that long on tickets. I don't do all of them, only a small select few.

As you can see, I am very interested in the website hosting industry, as I plan to start my own website hosting company and internet development website when I am out of school, and I'm just gaining experience now. I hope that some of you will realize that there are smart people out there who try to make a difference.

MODS: Please close this thread, as I have gotton my point over to some un-knowledgeable people who do not know well. Thank you for lettering me get my point across, and Great Board! :) Oh, and thanks to TUBEDOGG and Kaizen for their support. ;) :-D

[Kaizen]

Originally posted by tubedogg
Mind you I'm not necessarily defending you. :p hehe :)
I was just pointing out he was blatenly wrong on the laws.

Defending me ?

I didnt ask you to defend me and you aren't - You are making my point of view clearer.

[Kaizen]

Originally posted by JamesUS
You'd be surprised how many people are under 16/18 when you'd think they're not :)

:D

[Kaizen]

Originally posted by Kylecool
MODS: Please close this thread, as I have gotton my point over to some un-knowledgeable people who do not know well. Thank you for lettering me get my point across, and Great Board! :) Oh, and thanks to TUBEDOGF and Kaizen for their support. ;) :-D

Mods will never close a thread it you ask them - lol. They will probably now to prove me wrong.........tubedogg !!!!!

Your welcome and I think you should spell his name right - It might get out of his pram and run after you ! lol

[Kylecool]

I fixed his name. :)

-Kyle

[Kaizen]

I'll buckle him into pram anyway ! :D

[andrewpfeifer]

I didn't read the last two pages of this thread, but I just thought I'd reply to some of the posts I saw on the first page. I'm 14 and I own a vBulletin license, owned a UBB license when I was 13. I also buy webhosting from my friend, who own's his own webhosting company, and he is only 14. Age doesn't matter as much now as it has in the past! :)

- Andrew Pfeifer

[c-prompt]

Different states have different age working laws. None of the McDonalds, Arbys, Kmart, or any of the above here in my area hire below 16. Maybe in some places but not everywhere. Just want to make that point clear.

I see both sides points. It is definitely all personal stuff. I know some highly mature, smart people at 15. (cough) FireFly(/cough). The maturity and intelligense astounds me. But at the same time I know about 40 other 15 year olds I wouldn't trust with my water hose.

Point is. Its not how old they are that counts, its if they act that age or not. But I definitely would never trust a 14 year old running a web host, or such things. Why? Because I have no security he won't be "grounded" from the computer, or things of that nature.

[Kylecool]

I have never really been grounded because I'm so good. :) Should anything happen, I always would email my boss or I would use my cell-phone and call, or text-message him. This has never happened though. The company maintains the server. Sure, if I'm on and I discover apache is messed up, I'll restart it or fix it. Normally, they do all that. I mainly just answer Trouble Tickets when I can and when there are. :)

-Kyle

BTW: This is true. I know 21, 23, and 28 year olds who have th ematurity of 9 year olds. And I know many people who are 14-16 who are VERY mature. To be honest, I know of a 14 year old that just started his own webhosting company. No, not a reseller, a real one with his own server at NAC. All the legal stuff is in his parent's names since he can't like OWN a business, but he is like the number 1 man or whatever and he will be doing all of it. :)

[Skeptical]

I would personally never use a hosting company owned by a 14 year old. Should anything bad happen they won't be held as responsible as someone who's over 18, at least not in a court of law. That fact alone scares me.

[Kylecool]

Originally posted by Skeptical
I would personally never use a hosting company owned by a 14 year old. Should anything bad happen they won't be held as responsible as someone who's over 18, at least not in a court of law. That fact alone scares me.

I know. I think he's crazy. There is school, etc. I am in school and with all my homework, you know what I mean? It's his choice, and I guess he has enough money to fork out a dedicated server. But I agree. That's weird.
-Kyle

[Nicholas Brown]

very interesting thread - some good points raised and some points I dont agree with.

I am actually 18 myself (19 very soon) but I act waaay older than I am. At the end of the day - I class people by their "mental age" and not what it says on their birth certificate. Like other people in this thread have stated - I know a few people who are 15/16 and act like they are in their 30s - I also know some people who are in their 30's and act like they are 2 years old - just thought i'd add my £0.2p :p

[Kaizen]

I think this thread is done with now.

I havent got anything else left to say.

[Kylecool]

Yes, I agree with Nicholas. Yes, and I do believe there is pretty much nothing left to say.

-Kyle :)