vBulletin Development Update Discussion

[Kier]

Discuss away :)

[squall14716]

Yay!

[Floris]

I hope you all like my little video :)

[MidnightPyro]

Beautiful. Just beautiful. :D You guys are my heroes. I love the plugin system, the live java stuff, the search stuff, and especially love the two different template things. It's ingenious, and I'll certainly put it to good use :)

[Mayers]

Omg vBulletin will top the world of forum software again. The upgrading without reinstalling hack will make my life so much easier :D!

[Cole2026]

Wow, we should all brag to those poor IPB'ers.

LOL,

Can't wait. :)

Great Job to the development team. ;)

[Chroder]

Er... Sweet! :D

[KW802]

<makes mental note to make sure I have a lot of free time in June>

Excellent. I can't wait to see some of the AJAX in action. :cool:

[Reeve of Shinra]

I think I am in love... I mean, this may really be the one. *tear*

[Cowboysfan]

Very impressive.

Oh, and nice video Floris

[cirisme]

I'd love more info on the hooks thing, sounds like a great idea if done properly.

[quincywisdom]

Amazing! Looking forward to the beta.

[Moparx]

sweet... i cant wait for its release :)
props to the developers for their hard word & dedication

[Cowboysfan]

Now, I am just crossing my fingers that the install wont cause me to have to redo my current style. :)

[squall14716]

I hope you all like my little video :)
It's nice, Floris. :)

[Razasharp]

vB was already amazing and now with all this and a persistant mark-read system, it's just peach!! :-)

Big thank you to all the vB team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!! :-)

(P.s whilst Im saying my thanks, special thanks to Jake Bunce for all his help in the past!!)

[M1th]

Finally some news. Thanks guys!

Looking forward to the test drive.

[Cowboysfan]

Will 3.5 come preloaded with 1000 members to jump start new forums? that would be cool. ;)

[cinq]

I just hope the documentation for end user, administrators and developers will be fantabulous :D

[GreggH]

Excellent. Just excellent. :)

[ManagerJosh]

I really hope those people who were doing nothing but complaining the last few days will feel ashamed accusing the vB team of doing nothing!

You guys really outdid yourself! Cheers to Kier and the rest of the team! You guys really are doing an awesome job! I look forward to the 3.5 release :D

[squall14716]

You guys really outdid yourself! Cheers to Kier and the rest of the team! You guys really are doing an awesome job! I look forward to the 3.5 release :D
Agreed. I was scared IPB was about to get the upper hand in terms of features with the videos they were showing. Heh, not anymore. ;)

[Thunderfall]

Thanks for the awesome update!!! :)

I am very excited about the new plugin system. There are tons of great hacks out there for vB and the only thing that made me not want to install them is I need to re-do them each time I upgrade the forum. Nothing will stop me now with v3.5!! :)

I also really look forward to fulltext search and the nifty inline moderation system!


Individual threads are considered read only if you have actually read them.
I hope there will be an option to manually mark some threads as read.


There is now an option to enable / disable Forum Leaders as well as an option to enable Forum Leaders but not display moderators.
Can you clarify this one? I am not sure what it means.

oh yeah, that's a cool little video you made, Floris! ;)

[Cowboysfan]

One problem with all of this. May will not become the slowest moving month of 2005 :D

Let's get to June already so we can get this beta installed. :cool:

[ManagerJosh]

I'm sorta curious to what the new PHP and MySQL requirements will be to take advantage of majority of the new features :D

[Cole2026]

One problem with all of this. May will not become the slowest moving month of 2005 :D

Let's get to June already so we can get this beta installed. :cool:
Well, we will see the new version in action in about a week here. :)

*Aqward how this has traveled already from end to end throughout the internet*

[ManagerJosh]

Agreed. I was scared IPB was about to get the upper hand in terms of features with the videos they were showing. Heh, not anymore. ;)
Come on now squall ;) You've been here longer than I am, and yet I had more trust in the vB team than you? You should know better than Jelsoft would never let you down :p

[JPT62089]

*drools....*


*drools some more*


*and more*

Thank you for the vUpdate... a.m.a.z.i.n.g..... I am glad you are going up to IPBs level (v2.1) and beyond.... I just hope you improve that ACP....


Also thanks for that very nice and refreshing video. Well done.
/me want more videos

[squall14716]

Come on now squall ;) You've been here longer than I am, and yet I had more trust in the vB team than you? You should know better than Jelsoft would never let you down :p
It's not my lack of trust, it's just I didn't know what the **** was going on with vB. ;)

As far as updates go, that was way more thorough than I expected. Thanks, Jelsoft. :)

[Wayne Luke]

I'm sorta curious to what the new PHP and MySQL requirements will be to take advantage of majority of the new features :D

PHP 4.1.0 and MySQL 3.23.22 are the current requirements and I don't believe that will change. However to do fulltext search, you will need MySQL 4.0 or higher and we recommend 4.1 or higher. The recommended version of PHP will most likely by 5.0.3 or higher.

[Wayne Luke]

*drools....*


*drools some more*


*and more*

Don't drool too much... if you get the server wet, we would have to delay. :)

[AWS]

AJAX is a great addition. The plugin system sounds great. My only hope is the new data api will be the base to support other db's besides mysql in the future.
Good work.

[RagingPenguin]

Now I KNOW I'm gonna have to renew my download permissions now... :) The plugin system sounds a LOT like something I suggested recently. ;)

[JPT62089]

Don't drool too much... if you get the server wet, we would have to delay. :)

/me gets a bib....

better? :P

[ManagerJosh]

/digs Lake JPT for his drool ;)

[daemon]

How exciting :D. I can hardly wait!

The real question is why you made this announcement at like 1 AM...?

[TruthElixirX]

I'm am competley stoked...This is a majro upgrade of vbulletin. Sounds bigger than vb2 to vb3. I mean vb3 was just a better forum..This is taking it to a new level..awesome...

[Mayers]

One thing that I'm wondering is will the current default skin change alot? If so i'll just wait untill the downloadable version comes out to start making new skins for my forum.

[Jeramy]

I cannot wait for the release!

[whitetigergrowl]

One thing that I'm wondering is will the current default skin change alot? If so i'll just wait untill the downloadable version comes out to start making new skins for my forum.

Man I hope the default skin changes. Another high request from many members.

[Reeve of Shinra]

Will the template comparison feature include some kind of ajax like drag and drop (beyond compare for templates)?

[Kaitlyn]

Custom avatars and Profile pictures will be automatically resized to the maximim allowed image sizes (when possible). If you are using ImageMagick then they can also be automatically converted from .BMP, .PSD, and .TIFF

Will this be an optional tag or forced? I only ask because I'm curious as some peoples avatars are taller or wider than the 'maximum allowed image sized', my only fear is it'll stretch everyones avatar to fit without consideration.

Otherwise, brilliant work guys.

-K

[greywolff]

How exciting :D. I can hardly wait!

The real question is why you made this announcement at like 1 AM...?

hehehe depends on where your at my time is was like 9 am :)

[Remi]

Still, no mension of CMS :rolleyes: :confused: :o

[Wayne Luke]

Still, no mension of CMS :rolleyes: :confused: :o

The CMS has always been planned as a Separate Product with its own development schedule, prices and support. It is not a feature of vBulletin but an add-on. Therefore the announcement was not an appropriate place to cause product confusion between the two.

[ManagerJosh]

Still, no mension of CMS :rolleyes: :confused: :o
Patience young padwan :p

[0ptima]

Thanks for the awesome update !!! :) :)

[Jake Bunce]

Jake wants 3.5

Ah, hooks and plugins. That's what I was trying to say before, but I was a noob back then and couldn't find the words:

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41677

[ManagerJosh]

Jake wants 3.5

Ah, hooks and plugins. That's what I was trying to say before, but I was a noob back then and couldn't find the words:

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41677
You've come a long way Jake...from Noob to Rep for Jelsoft....i wouldn't say that's all that bad :P

[GreggH]

Jake wants 3.5

Ah, hooks and plugins. That's what I was trying to say before, but I was a noob back then and couldn't find the words:

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41677

Wow you posted that idea over 3 years ago. You were ahead of your time. :)

[Andy Huang]

wowowow... this is great... except... my member area access is going to expire in July and August respectivelly.... I hope the public beta doesn't last too too too long so I can get the full version!

[squall14716]

Wow you posted that idea over 3 years ago. You were ahead of your time. :)
I bet it was the caffeine. :p

[Freddie Bingham]

Will this be an optional tag or forced? I only ask because I'm curious as some peoples avatars are taller or wider than the 'maximum allowed image sized', my only fear is it'll stretch everyones avatar to fit without consideration.

Otherwise, brilliant work guys.

-KThat means that images that are too large will be resized down.

[Cowboysfan]

wowowow... this is great... except... my member area access is going to expire in July and August respectivelly.... I hope the public beta doesn't last too too too long so I can get the full version!

I bet having the final version will be well worth the renewal fees. :D

[John Miller]

I reserve this post for my comments for now ;)

[Neutral Singh]

Nice video !! :)

My lame concern is that would all the hacks in vb.org be rendered useless in the new version or they will be safely ported over ?

[MGM]

Amazing update! Finally gives me an idea of how things are shaping, and being able to see it in action next week is even better! Looks like theres still hope that my Summer won't be too dull after Star Wars Episode 3 releases :p

And Floris, great video! Very professional and detailed!

MGM out

[Jerry]

My lame concern is that would all the hacks in vb.org be rendered useless in the new version or they will be safely ported over ?

Thats why the hook system is there so the hacks can be ported.

[Freddie Bingham]

You can use your current hacks as they are but there have been changes to the database class, GPC variable initialization and $vboptions that will require updating.

[catocom]

Wow!
I know it's tough for youz guys to put out a time frame of any kind,
but IMO this is just excellent that you are giving us something to kinda
"hang our hats on", and work around on a little. *2 thumbs up*

[Caiman]

Database Thread marking, great! One question, if I log in, read a few posts but then get busy, close the browser... maybe dont come back for 24 hours, will the posts I didnt read last time around still be marked as unread? Does this mean posts I actually havent read, in whichever session, will remain unread until I mark them read or actually read them? (I hope!)

[Mike Sullivan]

Database Thread marking, great! One question, if I log in, read a few posts but then get busy, close the browser... maybe dont come back for 24 hours, will the posts I didnt read last time around still be marked as unread? Does this mean posts I actually havent read, in whichever session, will remain unread until I mark them read or actually read them? (I hope!)
Yes, that's the idea. I'm not looking at the code right now, but I believe the read data is only kept while the last post is less than X days old, so threads older than that will automatically be considered read. (Of course X would be an option.) Other than that, it compares the last time that you actually clicked the thread to the last post actually in the thread to determine whether it has new posts.

[vbcore]

This wont have any template changes like vBulletin 2.x > vBulletin 3.x correct? *crosses fingers*

GREAT job, can not wait for the release!

[Caiman]

Super, thanks Mike, that's something which has been on my wishlist for a very long time. :D

[Mike Sullivan]

This wont have any template changes like vBulletin 2.x > vBulletin 3.x correct? *crosses fingers*

GREAT job, can not wait for the release!
There are a number of template changes (as you might expect), but they are documented like any of the other recent releases. Plus you do have that line-by-line comparison tool now... :)

[xmitchx]

All I can say is: about time. I've been watching competitors roll out tons of new features and such and ive been becoming scared for vB. This is a great start.

[MrNase]

Wow! Why did you do this at this time? It's ten to seven in the morning and I have to go to school and Iam sure I just have to think about the vB 3.5 and mess everything else :p


Thank you for this status report, things are looking very nice.. You don't know how long I've been waiting for something like this :)

[synicide]

I am in love. ^_^

[Paul]

Yay! Now I have something to do in October, 2006! :p ... well... you know.. aside from complaining about the lack of a spell checker.

[Forum-Style]

This is a great way to wake up from my end, a email about the update :) Its even better that once again you guys give us the pleasure of our requests, mainly the update by news, giving us chance to see whats installed for us. Many thanks there. Its was one thing to see IPB listing there new road plan system, but this is great to see whats around the small corner for us this way.

The features added will surely make all our lifes and forum owners - admin - mods so much better, and able to allow us to do our jobs that much faster, there some real improvments to the way vB has headed, and i love what i see.

Ajax :- This looks amazing, and one of the bettter features that we will use, this will really cut down our time on work, very cleaver system.

In Line Mod :- This is just again a great addition now, and something long needed on vB, and will surely be the most taken for granted addon, thou the most important update area in my eyes.

The other features are just great, very well added and very much greatful for them.

The only one question is is there a permission area change ?, able to change forum permission in a better way.

Overall this is great news, and well wanted update. :) Well done to all the team, and staff hard at work.

[welo]

There is now an option to use a image check for guests using the Contact Us form.
Out of curiosity, how difficult would it be to extend this same capability to guest posting? Would sure defeat the increasing number of posting bots in a hurry.

[kmike]

I'm not looking at the code right now, but I believe the read data is only kept while the last post is less than X days old, so threads older than that will automatically be considered read.
Am I right that this will affect performance for large forums with high members' activity (high number of new threads per day)?

[Marco van Herwaarden]

My guess it database size increament will be more of an issue then performance for this.

[Fusion]

Great teaser, Kier. :) Oh, and great video, Floris. ;)
Will be very interesting to see how these features perform on this forum.

[Keyser Söze]

yay great job, looks like alot of improvements! ;D

i didnt see anything on "banned user" tho, like ability to state reason and banned user page instead of the standard no permission page


got anything on that?

[walter]

Wow! Three times wow!
The new features would even be worth a 4.0 instead of 3.5.
:)

[ragintajin]

AMAZING work, dev team!! i always had confidence that your "silent treatment" these past few months would be well worth it.

these new features are amazing. you guys completely exceeded my expectations!!

[]SK[]

Im quite excited now :(

Good to see what you guys have planned for us.

[buro9]

I'm rather concerned about the use of AJAX (still a terrible name for that method of using JavaScript and poor mans web services)... the concern is at two levels:

1) Security and the handling of direct requests (where someone knows the URL from their own installation even though they aren't presented with the tools on a third patry site) against the Xml method. Ensuring that you both have a meaningful error message if someone tries to access something that they shouldn't and further an optional logging so that attempts to call mod and admin functions via direct calling can be logged if the attempt fails due to poor security credentials.

2) Spidering and cacheability. I NEVER want to see AJAX being applied for core navigation and content retrieval. AJAX will not be navigable by Google or other search engine spiders until spiders are reimplemented with DOM browsers... this really isn't going to happen, so I would like assurances that AJAX will only be used for enhanced features and admin and mod features... no anoymous user browser the site should need to ever have made a call to any AJAX method, if they have, then Google can't and it will be a limiting factor in getting sites indexed heavily.

Aside from that... looks good.

The Wiki style diff engine for templates is a welcome relief, I have an awful home brewed hack that dumps the template table as files so that I can diff the directories and restore my changes... so I'm very happy that an admin version is just built-in now.

Oh, and will there be options to enable alerts on the inline moderation tools? I have edited other peoples posts in the past and accidentally deleted the wrong thing. Inline moderation must be far more susceptible to this... double alerts ("Are you sure?", "Are you REALLY sure?") should be available... if this need to be plugged in, please put a hook there.

[Jan Klerks]

For some reason I feel vBulletin is developing like a consumer car that already does 200 miles an hours, an is about to do 250. I would be more in favor of a broadening development like cms, blog or contest features, not a deepening of the product by adding more gizmo's to it. I'm not using 95% of current features anyway.

[AzhriaLilu]

What a lovely thing to wake up to in the morning! Excellent news, guys!!!

[ragintajin]

For some reason I feel vBulletin is developing like a consumer car that already does 200 miles an hours, an is about to do 250. I would be more in favor of a broadening development like cms, blog or contest features, not a deepening of the product by adding more gizmo's to it. I'm not using 95% of current features anyway.But here's the thing: the plugin feature will be a HUGE boost for the hacking community. 3.5 is setting up the software for endless hacking possibilities. :D (okay, maybe not "endless" but its a big jump forward)

[adguru]

I think I am in love... I mean, this may really be the one. *tear*


^^ Just what he said!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D

[ragintajin]

Question about the new Thread/Forum Read Marking feature:

Isn't this very server intensive? I remember reading that this kinda feature would be very painful for a large board.

[Mephisteus]

well bloody yea :) woho!

[Craigr]

Nice work. :)

[Spleasure]

[Scott MacVicar]

Question about the new Thread/Forum Read Marking feature:

Isn't this very server intensive? I remember reading that this kinda feature would be very painful for a large board.

Not really its another insert query on showthread and maybe a select query if the thread was new to see if it was the last one in the forum. And a join on a table when we fetch forum data.

Though you can go back to the old method with the flick of a switch.

[Vega]

Wow, really looking forward to this one. My download-access would have expired at the end of this month. now I'll definatly renew it...


Just one feature I'm missing right now: What's with the "guests can read thread-titles, but need to register, to view thread"-thingy. Will this one be implemented in 3.5.0?

[Lenni]

thanks for your update on vbulletin 3.X.X.
just one question: will the group management (Forum Permission Manager) be restructured?

[Tantawi]

Great work guys!! I'm waiting for it :)

[M1th]

It'll be interesting for people (notably those with larger boards) to see how much of an improvement is made to the overall performance.

So, have you guys done any benchmarkings to see whether the current vB is more CPU (and memory) intensive than 3.5 or vise versa?

[Reimer]

I hope that you have learned some more XHTML during the last month. To be honest, the XHTML of vBulletin is not what I expected from a XHTML layout. No headlines, no lists and too many tables.

[Jan Klerks]

But here's the thing: the plugin feature will be a HUGE boost for the hacking community. 3.5 is setting up the software for endless hacking possibilities. :D (okay, maybe not "endless" but its a big jump forward)To stick with the example, I'm sure that's real nice when your into tinckering, tuning and bling blinging your car, but I'm the kind of guy that just want's his car to take me from A to B as easy and simple as possible. I could live with a 'vB light' version. And no, I don't want no PHPBB.

[weirdpixels]

great work guys, Can't wait till June now :)

[PitchouneN64ngc]

Excellent news, I'm waiting for thea beta version ;)

vB 3.0 was a 'revolution' regards to vB2, vB 3.5 will be the same for vB 3.0 :)

[groberthall]

Will 3.5 come preloaded with 1000 members to jump start new forums? that would be cool. ;)

Really ? i thought they said that was planned for 3.6 :)

[sabret00the]

This is great news, very great news, i can't wait, it's very exciting and theirs so much to discuss now, theirs gonna be alot of obsolete hacks and hacking needing reworks but i can't wait, and that's just to discuss it, heh when i get my hands on it.

[MrNase]

I hope that you have learned some more XHTML during the last month. To be honest, the XHTML of vBulletin is not what I expected from a XHTML layout. No headlines, no lists and too many tables.


Let me second this one :)

Maybe Jelsoft should hire a HTML and CSS expert? ;)

[Princeton]

WOW! I am overwhelmed at all the new 'developer/admin' options.

This will definately help. :up:

[deathemperor]

damn good new features, I thought it could only be in 4.x.

Great work everyone !

[MGM]

Let me second this one :)

Maybe Jelsoft should hire a HTML and CSS expert? ;)

I thought that was Kier? Besides, vBulletin's XHTML is great with the amount of code it has... there are hundreds of templates and most of them are XHTML-compliant.... sure there may be a ton of tables, but it can't be helped :p (due to browser differences and support)

MGM out

[Mainer82]

Wow, now I feel kinda bad about complaining for not hearing any updates. But, posting this information is very much appreciated and I am pretty excited about these new features... amazing.

Just a question, what about all the other little suggestions people have added? I'm sure the devs have more features that they aren't telling us yet... if not, no biggie. Can't wait for the beta release!

[Scott MacVicar]

There will be other thats just the ones that we can remember also we might have a few suprises :)

[Reimer]

I thought that was Kier? Besides, vBulletin's XHTML is great with the amount of code it has... there are hundreds of templates and most of them are XHTML-compliant.... sure there may be a ton of tables, but it can't be helped :p (due to browser differences and support)

Valid XHTML does not mean that is it valid XHTML. The XHTML of vBulletin is not structured and there are missing headlines, lists etc. Sometimes Kier uses to break lines containers instead of good, old break. And still there lots, lots of tables which are not needed.

I already send Kier ab PM about this and offered him my help. MrNase and me are XHTML/CSS gurus and there is not much we do not know.

Greetings

[sabret00the]

Valid XHTML does not mean that is it valid XHTML. The XHTML of vBulletin is not structured and there are missing headlines, lists etc. Sometimes Kier uses to break lines containers instead of good, old break. And still there lots, lots of tables which are not needed.

I already send Kier ab PM about this and offered him my help. MrNase and me are XHTML/CSS gurus and there is not much we do not know.

Greetings
alot of people have said the same thing but i've yet to see a skin that fixes this :confused:

[JimpsEd]

Template comparison... AJAX useage for inline moderation...

JimpsEd goes to take a cold bath :)

[Reimer]

alot of people have said the same thing but i've yet to see a skin that fixes this :confused:

I have already started to pimp my vBulletin on localhost and removed everything which is not needed. After that I added lots of lists, definitions, containers and headlines and no it looks quite good. The template engine of vBulletin is a peace of crap, but what can I do ;)

The next step would be to add CSS, but in the moment I just don't have the time to this.

[Lumina]

That means that images that are too large will be resized down.
And images too small? I do not want them to be resized up. Will they stay the same?

[Wayne Luke]

yay great job, looks like alot of improvements! ;D

i didnt see anything on "banned user" tho, like ability to state reason and banned user page instead of the standard no permission page


got anything on that?

This can really be added without modifying the code... Make an Admin editable Custom Profile field for the reason and use a Template conditional on the No Permission page to show it.

[Wayne Luke]

For some reason I feel vBulletin is developing like a consumer car that already does 200 miles an hours, an is about to do 250. I would be more in favor of a broadening development like cms, blog or contest features, not a deepening of the product by adding more gizmo's to it. I'm not using 95% of current features anyway.

The core central proponents of this release, the plugin and hooks functionality and the data managers are key to what you want. Without these functions, then the product complexity increases a hundred fold and development time increases as well.

[Lizard King]

Everything looks great for the new version but what i am considered is there are really heavily modified boards and some of their admin's cannot consider themself like coder etc.. What I am thinking is what will happen when we upgrade to 3.5 some of the mod devolopers are not visiting vb.org anymore but we are using their mods anyway so how can we configure them for the new version. Will there be a tutorial ?

[Wayne Luke]

Just one feature I'm missing right now: What's with the "guests can read thread-titles, but need to register, to view thread"-thingy. Will this one be implemented in 3.5.0?

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=110119

[Wayne Luke]

Everything looks great for the new version but what i am considered is there are really heavily modified boards and some of their admin's cannot consider themself like coder etc.. What I am thinking is what will happen when we upgrade to 3.5 some of the mod devolopers are not visiting vb.org anymore but we are using their mods anyway so how can we configure them for the new version. Will there be a tutorial ?

There will be documentation on the Plugin and Hooks system as well as the Data Manager APIs. However, to convert your old hacks and add-ons to the new system, you will need to know how to code.

[Lumina]

Oh, I forgot: thank you Kier for the announcement, and thank you Floris for the nice video.

[Vega]

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=110119


Yes, I know that thread, thank you. But my question was, if this feature is actually going to be implemented as an vBulletin Option, where the owner can choose to display it this way or the other.

[Lizard King]

Can there be an activation system for 3.5 so that even it is a nulled version users have to activate in order to accept members or etc... I know this can be cracked also but maybe this can make people harder to crack vb and they may decide buying instead of downloading and installing nulled versions.

[sabret00the]

I have already started to pimp my vBulletin on localhost and removed everything which is not needed. After that I added lots of lists, definitions, containers and headlines and no it looks quite good. The template engine of vBulletin is a peace of crap, but what can I do ;)

The next step would be to add CSS, but in the moment I just don't have the time to this.
would it be possible to get a butchers? screenshot or even just some sourcecode so i could render it in a file.

[coffeefix]

hi,

I am just wondering how difficult it is going to be to upgrade, I just purchased and installed 3.0.7 and I've also just installed a few hacks. Am I going to have difficulty upgrading? I don't care about losing or having to reinstall any modifications. I just don't want to screw my board up in the upgrade process.

[sabret00the]

And images too small? I do not want them to be resized up. Will they stay the same?
not it will not resize up and if it resizes down it will keep the aspect ratio :)


hi,

I am just wondering how difficult it is going to be to upgrade, I just purchased and installed 3.0.7 and I've also just installed a few hacks. Am I going to have difficulty upgrading? I don't care about losing or having to reinstall any modifications. I just don't want to screw my board up in the upgrade process.
theirs a discussion over at vb.org in the lounge that may answer a couple of your questions, if not feel to raise the questions in there for a hackers perspective.

[Fusion]

Can there be an activation system for 3.5 so that even it is a nulled version users have to activate in order to accept members or etc... I know this can be cracked also but maybe this can make people harder to crack vb and they may decide buying instead of downloading and installing nulled versions.If it could be made along the lines of the ImpEx then maybe..

[cocjh1]

Can't wait to demo the template revision history and plug-ins feature.
It's certainly got use 'creaming' round these parts :)

C:

[Freddie Bingham]

And images too small? I do not want them to be resized up. Will they stay the same?
That is the samq question the original poster made and why I clarified the feature. The only resizing is for images that are too large.

[Keyser Söze]

what about any improvements to temp ban syste,?

also any improvements to limiting proxies?

quick reply in the PM system (like the quick reply in the forums) and PM attachments

[jugo]

I hope you all like my little video :)

Floris is up for a Oscar for "Best Instructional Video"

Awesome work guys, I am so anxious, that I told my wife...after she read the announcement, she said, "WTF does that have to do with you taking out the garbage?!?"


...so you KNOW she's as excited as I am.

[Scott MacVicar]

Our better halves dont seem to understand why we get so excited over releases. When vB3 was released I was on a high for most of the day and had to explain why I was grinning all the time.

[whitetigergrowl]

Will the new update include the attachment in post feature like IPB 2? Where you can add attachements anywhere in the post, rather than at just the bottom?

[Keyser Söze]

Will the new update include the attachment in post feature like IPB 2? Where you can add attachements anywhere in the post, rather than at just the bottom?

a waste IMO, but to each his own

[HenryG2]

Mmm.

I don't know why anyone would use any other message board than vBulletin.

[Scott MacVicar]

Will the new update include the attachment in post feature like IPB 2? Where you can add attachements anywhere in the post, rather than at just the bottom?
The [attach] bbcode is mentioned in the announcement.

[Mike Sullivan]

Will the new update include the attachment in post feature like IPB 2? Where you can add attachements anywhere in the post, rather than at just the bottom?
That would be the [attach ] BB code that was referenced (it's at the bottom of the announcement).

(Argh, I thought Scott would be too busy eating! :p)

[Mephisteus]

Oh 2 developers on at the same time.

Go developing! We want 3.5, we want 3.5 (wait to long and we will want 3.6! :p) ;)

[Arkham]

Man I hope the default skin changes. Another high request from many members.

I guarantee even more members couldn't care less, especially when it would further delay things.

[MrNase]

would it be possible to get a butchers? screenshot or even just some sourcecode so i could render it in a file.

I was one of the first who got the chance to see it live.. Very impressive. :)

I wouldn't mind if the team would let Reimer and me optimize the code. I think that would help you (the devs and the customers) a lot more than if we just say the current templates are bad. It's sad to see that our comments are ignored :(

[Zachery]

Man I hope the default skin changes. Another high request from many members.
You do have the ability to change it, ALOT more people like the style and say nothing than the people who hate it and say everything :)

Personally to me the style is fine, could we use an alterntive? sure. but thats what me and floris and some of the others have done.

[Scott MacVicar]

MrNase email support@vbulletin.com offering to change it then and it will go through the appropriate channels.

[MrNase]

I will do so, thanks :)

[Reimer]

would it be possible to get a butchers? screenshot or even just some sourcecode so i could render it in a file.

This just the XHTML without any styling. If you wonder why I used a list instead of a table for the forumslist and where the hell are all the popup menus: I wanted to create a unique theme for my vBulletin and not a typical theme. So I removed everything, but I it is pretty easy to add again.

As you see the source is much more structured and there is less code. An improvement for screenreaders and search engines. All styling and bahaviour is exported into external files. Pretty easy to manage.

[Oblivion Knight]

This is looking fantastic, in particular the AJAX integration.

I look forward to hearing/seeing more.! :D

[Zachery]

So you want to make the style basicly uneditable for anyoen who is still using html4 and has no understanding of CSS whatso ever?

That looks like the archive more or less.

[Carrie Anderson]

Does "Hooks and Plugins" mean in part that all vB relative paths are now full paths?

[Zachery]

Does "Hooks and Plugins" mean in part that all vB relative paths are now full paths?
Not sure where you got that from...

[bing11]

thank you I love here

[Reimer]

So you want to make the style basicly uneditable for anyoen who is still using html4 and has no understanding of CSS whatso ever?

Who said that? CSS makes is even easier to change the layout of your vBulletin. You can change positions, layout, size and many other options with one single file and apply to many, many different elements of your vBulletin.

Of course it is not as easy as old school HTML and font-size elements etc. - but is always better to do a step into the present instead into the past.


That looks like the archive more or less.

As I already said: This is just a simple unstyled version for my personal vBulletin and there is not much left from the original source. But please, take a screenreader and try to navigate through a vBulletin. It is like hell.

vBulletin could be the first bulletin with a style which allows blind users to use a bulletin board without many problems.

[Freddie Bingham]

There will be no style overhaul in this release as we do not want to force everyone to redo their current styles, beyond the required modified templates.

[Zachery]

Many people barely have a grasp over good html, wanting them to learn XHTML and CSS just to edit somthing simple like where this div sits and its font size is asking alot.

[Webnower]

What kind of backwards compatibility will there be for the 3.0.X hacks/addons? I really don't want to lose my arcade!

[Zachery]

The author, at the very least, would need to update the code to make it work in 3.5, if not rewrite to take advantage of the new system

[KW802]

There will be no style overhaul in this release as we do not want to force everyone to redo their current styles, beyond the required modified templates.Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. :cool:

[Scott MacVicar]

relative paths are used in the code now from a define DIR within the code so you can include files without changing your current working directory.

[Floris]

Hi there,

Thank you all for the great feedback, suggestions and comments. I hope this information helps a lot of you answer some questions. And by the looks of it the bigger majority is definitly looking forward to the public release and public beta. (As am I)

That said, please keep any off-topic discussions in their own threads in the appropiate forums? Thank you :)

YAY 3.5 :D

[Carrie Anderson]

relative paths are used in the code now from a define DIR within the code so you can include files without changing your current working directory.

Yes, I know their purpose. ;)

Right now in v.3.0.7 if you chdir, include global.php, include say includes/adminfunctions_template.php, and chdir back, the relative path in includes/adminfunctions_template.php is relative to the current directory, not the vB directory, so you have to change require_once('./includes/functions_xml.php'); to require_once('/FULLPATH/includes/functions_xml.php'); in includes/adminfunctions_template.php. See?

So I was wondering if this will be resolved with the "Hooks and Plugins" addition.

[whitetigergrowl]

a waste IMO, but to each his own

For your forums maybe not. But for mine it would be a great asset and was loved by my members when IPB 2 was being used.


The [attach] bbcode is mentioned in the announcement

I saw that but wasn't 100% for sure and didn't want to assume anything.

My brain is fried right now for alot of reasons. 3.5 is sounding great. If multiquote is there...then I'm a happy camper. Either way I'm still happy with the sounds of 3.5.

[Scott MacVicar]

Most of the code is now

require_once(DIR . '/includes/functions_xml.php');

where DIR is defined by global.php but its surrounded in

if (!defined('DIR'))
{
// define dir
}

[sweet22]

now i have to redesign everything grrr, months of coding down da tubes:( will there be an SDK for this new plugin system? thank fully i didnt finish coding my directory. also are these Data API's are they just the same as using the build_post() functions etc.?

[KimmiKat]

They'll be pouring over the new feature list, which is great...many kudos to the developement team working their hot computers putting it together! Anyway looking forward to the new version.


Wow, we should all brag to those poor IPB'ers.

LOL,

Can't wait. :)

Great Job to the development team. ;)

[Carrie Anderson]

Most of the code is now

require_once(DIR . '/includes/functions_xml.php');

where DIR is defined by global.php but its surrounded in

if (!defined('DIR'))
{
// define dir
}

As of Monday April 18th 2005, not 'most' by a long shot.


adminfunctions.php: require_once('./includes/functions_misc.php');
adminfunctions.php: require_once('./includes/functions_databuild.php');
adminfunctions.php: require_once('./includes/functions_databuild.php');
adminfunctions.php: require_once('./includes/functions_databuild.php');
adminfunctions.php: require_once('./includes/functions_databuild.php');
adminfunctions.php: require_once('./includes/functions_forumlist.php');
adminfunctions_language.php: require_once('./includes/functions_xml.php');
adminfunctions_options.php: require_once('./includes/adminfunctions_template.php');
adminfunctions_template.php: require_once('./includes/functions_xml.php');
functions.php: require_once('./includes/mail.php');
functions.php: require_once('./includes/functions_online.php');
functions.php: require_once('./includes/functions_forumlist.php');
functions_calendar.php: require_once('./includes/functions_misc.php');
functions_calendar.php: require_once('./includes/functions_bbcodeparse.php');
functions_databuild.php: require_once('./includes/functions_log_error.php');
functions_databuild.php: require_once('./includes/functions_file.php');
functions_databuild.php: require_once('./includes/functions_log_error.php');
functions_databuild.php: require_once('./includes/functions_file.php');
functions_databuild.php: require_once('./includes/searchwords.php');
functions_databuild.php: require_once('./includes/functions_log_error.php');
functions_databuild.php: require_once('./includes/functions_log_error.php');
functions_editor.php: require_once('./includes/functions_wysiwyg.php');
functions_editor.php: require_once('./includes/functions_bbcodeparse.php');
functions_file.php: require_once('./includes/functions_image.php');
functions_newpost.php: require_once('./includes/functions_login.php');
functions_newpost.php: require_once('./includes/functions_search.php');
functions_newpost.php: require_once('./includes/functions_databuild.php');
functions_newpost.php: require_once('./includes/functions_misc.php');
functions_newpost.php: require_once('./includes/functions_misc.php');
functions_newpost.php: require_once('./includes/functions_bbcodeparse.php');
functions_newpost.php: require_once('./includes/functions_bbcodeparse.php');
functions_newpost.php: require_once('./includes/functions_misc.php');
functions_online.php: require_once('./includes/functions_login.php');
functions_search.php:require_once('./includes/functions_databuild.php');
functions_search.php: require_once('./includes/functions_misc.php');
functions_showthread.php:require_once('./includes/functions_bbcodeparse.php');
functions_showthread.php:require_once('./includes/functions_reputation.php');
functions_subscriptions.php: require_once('./includes/functions.php');
functions_subscriptions.php: require_once('./includes/functions_databuild.php');
functions_threadmanage.php: require_once('./includes/functions_forumlist.php');
functions_upload.php: require_once('./includes/functions_file.php');
functions_user.php: require_once('./includes/functions_subscriptions.php');
functions_wysiwyg.php: require_once('./includes/functions_bbcodeparse.php');
init.php: require_once('./includes/db_mysql.php');
init.php: require_once('./includes/datastore_cache.php');
init.php: require_once('./includes/adminfunctions.php');
init.php: require_once('./includes/functions.php');
modfunctions.php: require_once('./includes/functions_databuild.php');

And that's just the includes directory.

Has this been changed in a newer build of v.3.0.7, or are you talking v.3.5.0?

[Marco van Herwaarden]

We are discussing the changes made into the new vB3.5 that is not even relased in public Beta. :D

[Scott MacVicar]

I'm talking about 3.5 since this is what the entire thread is based around...

[Carrie Anderson]

We are discussing the changes made into the new vB3.5 that is not even relased in public Beta. :D

Yes, I know and my question is about the "Hooks and Plugins" addition and paths. If you read back you'll see.

[Carrie Anderson]

I'm talking about 3.5 since this is what the entire thread is based around...

Okay, then the answer to my initial v.3.5.0 related question (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showpost.php?p=863734&postcount=141) is "yes, mostly."

[Freddie Bingham]

Okay, then the answer to my initial v.3.5.0 related question (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showpost.php?p=863734&postcount=141) is "yes, mostly."
Mostly, being that everything except the first call

require_once('./global.php');

[sabret00the]

This just the XHTML without any styling. If you wonder why I used a list instead of a table for the forumslist and where the hell are all the popup menus: I wanted to create a unique theme for my vBulletin and not a typical theme. So I removed everything, but I it is pretty easy to add again.

As you see the source is much more structured and there is less code. An improvement for screenreaders and search engines. All styling and bahaviour is exported into external files. Pretty easy to manage.
you cheated, i requested renderable code, that means with css :P

nice work though am interested to see if it works cross browser etc.

[timdorr]

So, basically this is just all the features of IPB 2.1/2.0 copied over to vBulletin? :confused:

I mean, you guys didn't even innovate in the design. Inline moderation is laid out and functions in *exactly* the same way as IPB has been doing. AJax support is *exactly* the same as IPB 2.1 is going to be doing.

I honestly cannot believe you are doing this as a company. It's clear you're directly copying IPB. Unbelieveable. :(

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@ timdorr (member.php?u=16199)

look at the IPB 2.1 roadmap and see what options they took from vbulletin. wysiwyg? multiple vote polls? topic rating?

[timdorr]

@ timdorr (http://member.php?u=16199)

look at the IPB 2.1 roadmap and see what options they took from vbulletin. wysiwyg? multiple vote polls? topic rating?

Don't bother replying. Their deleting posts stating they've copied IPB.

BTW, Topic ratings have been in the backend for IPB for a while. The frontend code just hasn't been built until now. And we're talking about stuff that at least IPS is reimplementing from scratch, not copying directly without modification...

[_| () R | Z]

Don't bother replying. Their deleting posts stating they've copied IPB.

BTW, Topic ratings have been in the backend for IPB for a while. The frontend code just hasn't been built until now. And we're talking about stuff that at least IPS is reimplementing from scratch, not copying directly without modification...

think your post was deleted coz it didnt fit in the thread like inappropriate place

back on topic:

vbulletin is also impleting it from scratch, since ipb's 2.1 code hasnt been released yet its hard stealing it ;).

about stealing idea's: http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36896 (look at date, btw xiphoid = floris who wasnt on the vb staff back then ;)

[sweet22]

does the new vb support highlighting text and being able to auto quote it?

[timdorr]

I'm not talking about code stealing. The design, implementation, and function is *exactly* the same. Not even close to a reimplementation.

It's like painting your own Mona Lisa and passing it off as your own. You may have made it yourself, but someone else is responsible for creating it.

[sweet22]

I'm not talking about code stealing. The design, implementation, and function is *exactly* the same. Not even close to a reimplementation.

It's like painting your own Mona Lisa and passing it off as your own. You may have made it yourself, but someone else is responsible for creating it.
well i believe both ipb and vbulletin are using ajax wisely as any more use would be overboard and possibly interfere will normal workings and functions. it could also cause a decrease in performance if too much is used.

[Scott MacVicar]

timdorr, oh wow IPB have dropdown menu's what is their exact reimplementation of that? They have a new WYSIWYG whats the reimplementation of that? The Paid subscriptions? The archive? the list goes on..

Also it should be noted that you saw a movie of a beta, thats it.

[sweet22]

is ajax supported by multiple browsers or is restricted just as much as DOM and DHTML are?

[BassX]

The announcement looks great - some things I've been missing since converting to vB are being implemented - great news!

[hollyboy]

great features for the moderators ;)
what about the users side?

[Reimer]

is ajax supported by multiple browsers or is restricted just as much as DOM and DHTML are?

DOM and XMLHttpRequest is needed and available in IE as part of ActiveX, Firefox and Opera8.

[_| () R | Z]

timdorr, oh wow IPB have dropdown menu's what is their exact reimplementation of that? They have a new WYSIWYG whats the reimplementation of that? The Paid subscriptions? The archive? the list goes on..

Also it should be noted that you saw a movie of a beta, thats it.

not to forget:

"Multiple Option Polls"
"ACP: IP match"
"Forum Marking"
"Topic rating"
"DST (Daylight Saving Time) auto correction"
"Adjustable maximum topic length"

offcourse ipb "steals" idea's from vbulletin and ipb "steals" from vbulletin. These things happen everywhere, in all branche's.

[sweet22]

will the code modifications still work or has basically everything been recoded leaving functions useless now?

also has the dev team considered more security such as unbannable ip addresses?

will there be a preview soon of the plug-in system and how it will work?

[timdorr]

timdorr, oh wow IPB have dropdown menu's what is their exact reimplementation of that? They have a new WYSIWYG whats the reimplementation of that? The Paid subscriptions? The archive? the list goes on..

And that would be a good argument if, say, they used the exact same layout for the archive pages. Or the menus were the exact same. But that's not the case. What has happened here is that the way the AJAX title editing and the inline moderation works is laid out in the same way, functions in the same way, and responds in the same way as IPB has implemented. I know vBulletin, IPB, and others have copied features between the two, but normally there's at least some effort to make it different. Why not have the row highlight when you check a thread for moderation? Why not have a menu pop up when clicking on the thread icon to allow for editing, closing, sticking, etc?

[Freddie Bingham]

I wrote the Inline Moderation tools, the thingy with all the checkboxes. Personally, you are free to believe I was inspired by Invision if you wish, but truthfully, it was Ezboard that inspired me. I perform a great number of Ezboard imports and at times I have had to manage threads to deal with problems with the importer. It was from here that I decided that vB also needed a way to manage multiple threads at once. I didn't care so much about doing the same thing with posts but then it was pointed out to me that we had an Inline Moderation hack and so I took a look at the support thread to see what people were using it for and feedback on it. From here I could see that being able to manage multiple posts was also very welcome. Should we not offer needed features because Invision board has a bunch of checkboxes as well? What about phpBB? I'm almost sure they've had this sort of feature long before as well.

Have you looked at our thread subscriptions or private messages before? There you see a row of checkboxes and so the Inline Moderation follows the same behaviour.

Did you also notice that we do have actual checkboxes rather than images? This is so those without javascript can still actually use the inline moderation. It is senseless to continue this debate when you pick out two items to disagree about when the history of our inspiring others is great and we've given you a long list of innovative items.

[baki]

One question.
What exactly is inline moderation??
Anyways I am thankful to know there is new release comin soon.
Can't wait to see it in action.;)

[Freddie Bingham]

Also have you considered the technical details of having a popup menu for the AJAX thread closing?

So a menu pops up and you select "Stick". Well the thread is now supposed to move up to the top of the forum. We would now need to do a lot of arranging about of threadbits to accomplish this. Say you select 'Deleted', well the threadbit is supposed to vanish now, not to mention the deletion options that need to be displayed.

We could do none of that and just leave the display as is, or force a page refresh. We are looking at adding a menu though. Also, remember this when you see a menu on some other package. I gave up along time ago fretting over our innovations being taken non gratis. I just keep working on implementing what the customers ask for. These are just two instances of that goal.

[sere]

great effort and hopefully an excellent 3.5 version. the ajax, clearly presented in floris' flash clip seems like a welcomed extension adding quite some flexibility and speed to managing forums. i almost wish to drop all im doing and stay put & wait for it, cheers :)

[weirdpixels]

One question.
What exactly is inline moderation??
Anyways I am thankful to know there is new release comin soon.
Can't wait to see it in action.;)

Did you take a look at the flash video? that should give you an idea

[GreggH]

timdorr, oh wow IPB have dropdown menu's what is their exact reimplementation of that? They have a new WYSIWYG whats the reimplementation of that? The Paid subscriptions? The archive? the list goes on..

Also it should be noted that you saw a movie of a beta, thats it.
It doesnt matter what the facts and history have been. You are still going to see deluded statements like this from Matt on his blog...


I wonder how long it'll take for this feature to be ripped wholesale by an 'un-named' competitor. This blog seems to be a place of inspiration for some, which is nice.


...What vB have done is simply take our idea, concept, logic, presentation and procedure and implemented it so blatantly that I actually consider it rude.

If they'd developed it and put their own touches then I would have filed it as "all's fair in love and development".

[King Kovifor]

This I believe will be a huge change from other software. I hate doing my moderation on older computers that take long to load pages. So now double clicking will be a help. I hope the forum I moderate will change. :D

[weirdpixels]

and people wonder why vbulletin help off announcing vbulletin 3.5 and its features.

With comments like that you can see why!

[_| () R | Z]

I strongly believe in the free-flow of ideas and concepts between competitors.

It pushes development faster and is better for the end user.

However, I don't think that one can simply port the implementation wholesale without at least putting your own touches to it or to enhance it someway.

Let's be honest, we've all taken ideas and concepts from other products; there's no shame in that. But, in most cases we've added something to it to develop it further.

What vB have done is simply take our idea, concept, logic, presentation and procedure and implemented it so blatantly that I actually consider it rude.

If they'd developed it and put their own touches then I would have filed it as "all's fair in love and development".



seems like matt finally found out how it is if somebody copy's something from you. I havent heared the vb dev's cry in the past when an "un-named competitor" stole their idea's.

and ipb have made a big mistake again; vbulletin can look right into what ipb is doing via matt's blog but not visa versa. from a business point of view its totally "hilarious".

for example take a look at google, like every month they reach the news with something totally new which is copied by a competitor like yahoo the following month. what do you think will happen if google starts a blog announcing their features for an upcomming release?

[Floris]

Hey all,

If this IPB/vB stuff isn't going to calm down I am just going to play the bad moderator and close this thread. Keep on topic; which is the 3.5 announcement.

Thank you.

[_| () R | Z]

Keep on topic; which is the 3.5 announcement.

right,

my question is are all new features in that announcement or just a selection?

[Freddie Bingham]

Not everything is listed there, for example I don't see Event Reminders listed.

[timdorr]

what do you think will happen if google starts a blog announcing their features for an upcomming release?

http://www.google.com/googleblog/ ?

IPS's more open development style has it's advantages beyond just the risks. Customers know what to expect and can engage the company earlier in the development process to be able to shape things up into what the customer wants, rather than what they company thinks they want. Jelsoft, IPS, and the lot all do this in the form of feedback forums on their websites, but Matt's taking a more proactive approach by pre-announcing features and the development process before it's even completed. While competitors can get a jump on copying features, it doesn't guarantee that they will be as good and customers won't look as highly on them if they are ripping out things left and right, rather than innovating on their own. I think the advantages of creating a more customer-focused product far outweight the negatives of showing your cards a bit early.

[GreggH]

One thing I remember being mentioned as likely to be included in the next release was a global trash bin with undelete in the admin CP. I didn't see it mentioned in the announcement though. Any chance of this being included in 3.5?

[Wayne Luke]

One thing I remember being mentioned as likely to be included in the next release was a global trash bin with undelete in the admin CP. I didn't see it mentioned in the announcement though. Any chance of this being included in 3.5?
Where is this announcement?

[GreggH]

Where is this announcement?

This was in the sticky thread that had implemented and planned feature suggestions, and each suggestion was color coded indicating if it will be in a future release. Anyway that thread seems to have been removed recently, or moved, since I can't find it now.

[weirdpixels]

One thing I remember being mentioned as likely to be included in the next release was a global trash bin with undelete in the admin CP. I didn't see it mentioned in the announcement though. Any chance of this being included in 3.5?

you sort of all ready have that in a way, with vbulletin 3.0.X
you can soft delete post and un delete them again, of course there is no option in the admincp..

[Zachery]

The posts by that user were not offical, just things that had been commented on.

[georgec]

Havent read all posts in this thread yet, but looking good as far as the additions to 3.5! The biggest feature I was looking for didn't make it in though, which is the ability to have vBulletin auto delete redirected threads periodically. But I think the plugin system will get a lot of people, like myself, finally using hacks.

[Wayne Luke]

This was in the sticky thread that had implemented and planned feature suggestions, and each suggestion was color coded indicating if it will be in a future release. Anyway that thread seems to have been removed recently, or moved, since I can't find it now.

That wasn't an official thread. Just something created by users. Unless a developer specifically states that feature X will be implemented in version Y, there is no guarantee of such implementation.

The thread was not removed but was unstickied because it has outlived its usefulness. Even then that particular function was marked as "Possible Inclusion in Future Version" not as "On Todo List for next Version".

Here is a link to the thread: http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62743

[GetGamer.com]

These enhancements look great!

Could you elaborate a wee bit on what you mean by "Language Chooser?" Are we going to be able to apply a default language to a forum, similar to how we can currently apply a default style?

By the way Floris, what did you use to create your very cool movie? Very nice work. I'd like to do something similar with some tutorials for new users.

[Zachery]

These enhancements look great!

Could you elaborate a wee bit on what you mean by "Language Chooser?" Are we going to be able to apply a default language to a forum, similar to how we can currently apply a default style?

By the way Floris, what did you use to create your very cool movie? Very nice work. I'd like to do something similar with some tutorials for new users.
Yes it works the same as the style chooser :)

[_| () R | Z]

http://www.google.com/googleblog/

a blog post on the day that something gets released cant really be compared to showing off features that will be released in x months.

[_| () R | Z]

By the way Floris, what did you use to create your very cool movie? Very nice work. I'd like to do something similar with some tutorials for new users.

http://www.macromedia.com/software/flash/

[GreggH]

That wasn't an official thread. Just something created by users. Unless a developer specifically states that feature X will be implemented in version Y, there is no guarantee of such implementation.

The thread was not removed but was unstickied because it has outlived its usefulness. Even then that particular function was marked as "Possible Inclusion in Future Version" not as "On Todo List for next Version".

Here is a link to the thread: http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62743

No problem. I wasn't mad or saying you guys broke a promise, or anyhing like that. I realize now that wasn't an official thread, but I am still curious if its possible that feature will be included in 3.5, or will it probably be in a future release? This was the exact feature that was mentioned "unofficially" in that thread...

"Centralized "Recycle Bin" for reviewing of all "soft" deleted posts / threads with the ability to undelete / hard delete selectively"

[squall14716]

Where is this announcement?
The announcement that this discussion thread is about, Wayne. He said a feature which was said to be highly likely to be added was not mentioned in the announcement, and he's wondering if it will be in 3.5.

[noppid]

Nice UI stuff, but still too much java.

They need to consolidate all the URL variables, that is more important.

[Zachery]

Its not java :p its javascript, and there is a large difference, and just like before you can still use the inline moderation, ect without it.

[Cole2026]

Don't bother replying. Their deleting posts stating they've copied IPB.

BTW, Topic ratings have been in the backend for IPB for a while. The frontend code just hasn't been built until now. And we're talking about stuff that at least IPS is reimplementing from scratch, not copying directly without modification...

I don't understand why you are coming here and flaming Jelsoft & vBulletin. You came here and said how Jelsoft has copied Invision.

AJAX, OOP, etc. It is what people want, how come you can't realize that they do not copy each other, they put the features in because of popular demand, and of course, the IPB'er on the vBulletin forum will start flaming Jelsoft, and vice-versa, all about how x company copyed the other.

There is a standard in web scripts, and it will keep getting higher as browsers keep getting more advanced, computers get faster, and internet connections get higher and higher.

:)

[GetGamer.com]

http://www.macromedia.com/software/flash/Uh, thanks. I know it's a Flash file, but I'll be he's using a 3rd party app to automatically capture, edit and save as SWF.
Yes it works the same as the style chooser.Woo-hooo! This will be a huge plus for sites with language-specific forums! Thanks!

[Mac Write]

Will Inline WYISYG editor be implemented in this version....for Safari 1.3/2.0? Along with foreground/background color for form elements? I want the Mac version of VB to be on par with the Winblows version.

[AaronGamer]

hhmm... very very interesting.......

[Zachery]

Will Inline WYISYG editor be implemented in this version....for Safari 1.3/2.0? Along with foreground/background color for form elements? I want the Mac version of VB to be on par with the Winblows version.
Sadly I really don't think its possible due to the limitations of the current code...

But this is just me talking. It does work fine under Firefox in OSX.

[Mac Write]

Did you know Safari 1.3/2 now has inline text editing? I don't use Firefox. and what part works in Firefox under OS X?

[Zachery]

The WYSIWYG(for firefox), Yes I am aware, however it is quite limited from what I understand. Also I've read a few places that when you highlight text, and click a link/box/ect it unhighlights it.. which is self defeating.. at least untill someone figures out a better way

Which I am sure Scott, Kier, Mike, or freddie just might do so :)

[.Logan]

I don't see how you could brag to all the IPB'ers considering IPB already had these features and more in developement for IPB 2.1.0 for quite a long time. Then this "vB 3.5" suddenly comes along which seems to be greatly influenced by IPB's next version... :rolleyes:

[Mr_Bob]

This is very inpresive. Now we know the developers have not gone to work for nothing over the past few months. The module system will be one of those things that I would have paid a great coder huge amounts of money for beautiful:). Along with inline moderation, easier site intergration, and everything else 3.5 will rule:D.

[squall14716]

I don't see how you could brag to all the IPB'ers considering IPB already had these features and more in developement for IPB 2.1.0 for quite a long time. Then this "vB 3.5" suddenly comes along which seems to be greatly influenced by IPB's next version... :rolleyes:
It's been in development since vB 3.0.1 was released (or before) I'd imagine. It isn't something that has come out of nowehere, this is just the first official announcement.

[Cole2026]

I don't see how you could brag to all the IPB'ers considering IPB already had these features and more in developement for IPB 2.1.0 for quite a long time. Then this "vB 3.5" suddenly comes along which seems to be greatly influenced by IPB's next version... :rolleyes:

Another troll looking to say that Jelsoft copied Invision. :rolleyes:

As the person has said above me, it has been in development since May last year or so(what exactly do you think the staff has been doing for the last year or so)

[Wayne Luke]

Another troll looking to say that Jelsoft copied Invision. :rolleyes:


And they are focusing on features that are strictly "Quality of Life" features. That is all they do is make existing features easier to use with newer technology. They aren't new in and of themselves but an enhancement to the existing features. The other features such as the Data Managers, Hooks and Plugins, Template revisions, Template Compare are core new features.

The AJAX and inline moderation features were added due to customer demand not for any other reason.

[whitetigergrowl]

Another troll looking to say that Jelsoft copied Invision. :rolleyes:

As the person has said above me, it has been in development since May last year or so(what exactly do you think the staff has been doing for the last year or so)

Well they surely haven't been letting us know what they have been doing thats for sure. LOL I warned this was gonna happen in a recent post of mine before VB 3.5 was announced. I think the reason people are thinking VB is copying IPB 2.1 is because of the timing and the huge similarity. That and the fact that they are both going beta about the same time. Well that and the fact VB refused until now to listen to people and make an 'in development' or roadmap list similar to IPB's 2.1. If VB would have did this quite awhile ago (like oh a year ago like whats been claimed or even 6 months ago)....I can guarantee it wouldn't have all seemed so coincidental in timing and whats included. And honestly....it's very easy to see why people are thinking all of this. VB shot itself in the foot on this one. All because of their darned "we don't tell" policy. I mean IMO, I can't see why this list couldn't have been brought out even 6 months or 4 months ago. Then again...now I see why.

VB 3.5 sounds good. I like the mod feature. But I admit for a company claiming to be 'the leader'...in this case they seem more like the follower. IMO. And in recent posts with me, wasn't it claimed by some of the fanboys that VB doesn't delete posts or threads, and that IPB is the only one that does it when they get questioned? :rolleyes: Oh sweet irony.

I'll update both my boards to 2.1 and 3.5. But man....I saw this one coming a mile away.



And they are focusing on features that are strictly "Quality of Life" features. That is all they do is make existing features easier to use with newer technology. They aren't new in and of themselves but an enhancement to the existing features. The other features such as the Data Managers, Hooks and Plugins, Template revisions, Template Compare are core new features.

The AJAX and inline moderation features were added due to customer demand not for any other reason.



Which still makes me wonder why this couldnt have been mentioned even 6 months ago if its been in development for so long.

[gab1982]

I don't see how you could brag to all the IPB'ers considering IPB already had these features and more in developement for IPB 2.1.0 for quite a long time. Then this "vB 3.5" suddenly comes along which seems to be greatly influenced by IPB's next version... :rolleyes:

Well actually ipb coppied many of its features from vb I have known vb since i started using the net and then suddenly ipb comes along and nicks most of its features. To be honest if ipb dont slow there process down in making versions they will get to a stage where they wil be stamping there feat and wondering what to add, and shortly after that they will go down hill where as vb have a timescale (looking at vb2 to the making of vb3)

[ManagerJosh]

Which still makes me wonder why this couldnt have been mentioned even 6 months ago if its been in development for so long.Answer is simple...to keep a cutting edge. A developer doesn't ever want to let their competition have complete knowledge of what's going on until its too late.

[squall14716]

Well they surely haven't been letting us know what they have been doing thats for sure. LOL I warned this was gonna happen in a recent post of mine before VB 3.5 was announced. I think the reason people are thinking VB is copying IPB 2.1 is because of the timing and the huge similarity. That and the fact that they are both going beta about the same time. Well that and the fact VB refused until now to listen to people and make an 'in development' or roadmap list similar to IPB's 2.1. If VB would have did this quite awhile ago (like oh a year ago like whats been claimed or even 6 months ago)....I can guarantee it wouldn't have all seemed so coincidental in timing and whats included. And honestly....it's very easy to see why people are thinking all of this. VB shot itself in the foot on this one. All because of their darned "we don't tell" policy. I mean IMO, I can't see why this list couldn't have been brought out even 6 months or 4 months ago. Then again...now I see why.

VB 3.5 sounds good. I like the mod feature. But I admit for a company claiming to be 'the leader'...in this case they seem more like the follower. IMO. And in recent posts with me, wasn't it claimed by some of the fanboys that VB doesn't delete posts or threads, and that IPB is the only one that does it when they get questioned? :rolleyes: Oh sweet irony.

I'll update both my boards to 2.1 and 3.5. But man....I saw this one coming a mile away.




Which still makes me wonder why this couldnt have been mentioned even 6 months ago if its been in development for so long.
Yeah, IPB revealed Inline moderating and their AJAX implementation first. However, what has vBulletin had first?

Thread Ratings
Multiple Attachments
Multiple Choice Polls (hell, this was in vB 2.2.0 FFS)
WYSIWYG Editor
etc, etc

I know there are more, but I don't exactly have a list of new IPB 2.x features in front of me.

[havefun]

sounds very nice :D THX

[Thunderfall]

Curious... I don't visit IPB's forums, but are there vBulletin fans over there doing nothing but bash IPB? There is like half a dozen IPB users bashing vB all the time in here.

[ManagerJosh]

Curious... I don't visit IPB's forums, but are there vBulletin fans over there doing nothing but bash IPB? There is like half a dozen IPB users bashing vB all the time in here.
Nope. Some of us do lurk there from time to time. But we feel there is no reason why we should discredit IPB and stoop to their level.

[Lizard King]

Everyone knows one thing but they dont want to admit it. Internet programming , usage , computers , etc.. is developing everyday. Everybody is using same technologies , everybody is following their users requests. Even a lot of forum sites are copying threads , styles etc from each other. For me vBulletin is the best forum software. They have their stability for a long time. I never think of switching my forum software. Now here in vBulletin's own forum I see people putting **** on vBulletin and even the developers are allowing them. I can easily understand vBulletin Developers. But nobody is thinking who is in forum software market for this long. vBulletin was here and 100% will be here for a long time. They are getting blamed because they want to do what their customers are asking for a long time. As technology grows and customers see this they will always demand new features in their software. I am pretty happy vbulletin now cover our demands and releasing a beta very soon. so Ipb users or devolopers I will ask a favour from you. You may find it stupid but stop putting bull**** on vBulletin cause they are only using the most recent technology. Non of you developed AJAX or any other features for the first time in internet. When I see you guys come here and try to blame vBulletin I start to hate you.
And there is a very important point. If vBulletin wasn't in the market you guys can never think if a forum software will make money. You stealed vBulletin's biggest idea.

You are just showing yourself as idiot guys.

[whitetigergrowl]

Nope. Some of us do lurk there from time to time. But we feel there is no reason why we should discredit IPB and stoop to their level.

Do a search of the internet. It's going both ways and trying to put VB users at the top by saying, "why should we discredit IPB and stoop to their level", when in fact its being done ALL THE TIME and would be a rather arrogant thing to try and say you're not doing. Here's something to ponder from a wise man I'll call Tommy:

Tommy (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000394/): Let's think about this for a sec, Ted, why do they put a guarantee on a box? Hmm, very interesting.

Ted (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0288929/): I'm listening.

Tommy (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000394/): Here's how I see it. A guy puts a guarantee on the box 'cause he wants you to feel all warm and toasty inside.

Ted (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0288929/): Yeah, makes a man feel good.

Tommy (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000394/): 'Course it does. Ya think if you leave that box under your pillow at night, the Guarantee Fairy might come by and leave a quarter.

Ted (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0288929/): What's your point?

Tommy (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000394/): The point is, how do you know the Guarantee Fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer? "Building model airplanes" says the little fairy, but we're not buying it. Next thing you know, there's money missing off the dresser and your daughter's knocked up, I seen it a hundred times.

Ted (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0288929/): But why do they put a guarantee on the box then?

Tommy (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000394/): Because they know all they sold ya was a guaranteed piece of ****. That's all it is. Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for right now, for your sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about buying a quality item from me.

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Think about it.

[Wayne Luke]

Tommy (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000394/): Let's think about this for a sec, Ted, why do they put a guarantee on a box? Hmm, very interesting.

Ted (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0288929/): I'm listening.

Tommy (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000394/): Here's how I see it. A guy puts a guarantee on the box 'cause he wants you to feel all warm and toasty inside.

Ted (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0288929/): Yeah, makes a man feel good.

Tommy (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000394/): 'Course it does. Ya think if you leave that box under your pillow at night, the Guarantee Fairy might come by and leave a quarter.

Ted (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0288929/): What's your point?

Tommy (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000394/): The point is, how do you know the Guarantee Fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer? "Building model airplanes" says the little fairy, but we're not buying it. Next thing you know, there's money missing off the dresser and your daughter's knocked up, I seen it a hundred times.

Ted (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0288929/): But why do they put a guarantee on the box then?

Tommy (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000394/): Because they know all they sold ya was a guaranteed piece of ****. That's all it is. Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for right now, for your sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about buying a quality item from me.

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Think about it.

Fan of the movie Tommy Boy huh?

[whitetigergrowl]

Fan of the movie Tommy Boy huh?

LOL OF Course! One of the all time classics.;)

"Fat man in a little coat. Fat Man in a little coat."

[Kier]

If this thread continues to be an exchange of 'they stole x but they stole y but they stole z' I will be forced to close it.

[brisk_99]

I enjoyed the fact this thread used to be about actual questions on how things will work. :(

Honestly I don’t give a crap here about IPB and what they do with their software and yes I own a license for IPB but I take up my questions for their software there, not here.

I want to know how the new VB is going to be and have enjoyed finding answers already to a lot of the questions I had in this thread.

I thank the VB staff for opening this thread and giving us a little heads up on what’s to come. I damn sure don’t want it ruined by a very small percentage of people that insist on being an ass.

[Chroder]

Are we going to see an alpha here? I'd like to try out that new marked-read system :)

[squall14716]

The screenshots of the template history says Beta 1. ;)

At the bottom of the announcement:

If our current schedules pan out, we are hoping to have vBulletin 3.5 running the vBulletin.com forums next week, and if that goes well, we will release vBulletin 3.5 to public beta by early June.

[jimmyboy]

dude, u guys r so damn kool!!!!!!!!!! love u so much

[Chroder]

The screenshots of the template histroy says Beta 1. ;)

At the bottom of the announcement:
Ah, didn't see that ;)

[Sinko]

But in this case, what does that have to do with 2.1 and 3.5? Neither have been released. So it's impossible for them to implement any of VB 3.5's features into IPB 2.1....especially since they have shown the roadmap for 2.1 for quite some time. And seeing as how tight lipped VB has been about 3.5 up until last night....it would have been almost impossible for IPB I would feel to know what 3.5 was going to have. However the opposite in this case is true. So really...even if IPB purchases VB3 for whatever reasons....that would still not have anything to do with any of this.:rolleyes:

In that case vBulletin is going to basically develop 3.5 in a matter of a week or so?

Come on, if you're going to bash vBulletin then just stay quiet or leave. It's as simple as that.

And I'm very excited about the features. Can't wait to play with it.

Craig

[WebmasterAJ]

I know you guys said that not every thing has been posted on the new release, but I didn't read anything here about one major feature: signature limitations. Will this be on the new vB?

Thank you oh so very much for all your hard work, time, and dedication as well... it's much appreciated!

Sincerely,
Andrew Tatum

[KimmiKat]

Getting back on topic, I think the new plug-in system will save a lot of headaches and hair pulling when upgrading the board. That will be a big help to most of us. :)

[squall14716]

The only problem with the plugin system is it wasn't a part of 3.0.0. :p

[Thunderfall]

Getting back on topic, I think the new plug-in system will save a lot of headaches and hair pulling when upgrading the board. That will be a big help to most of us. :)
Yeah, this is certainly the biggest feature of 3.5. It will open up so many opportunities. :cool:

[Tim Mousel]

Very, very cool! I didn't think it could get any better!

[Wayne Luke]

Getting back on topic, I think the new plug-in system will save a lot of headaches and hair pulling when upgrading the board. That will be a big help to most of us. :)

I know I am waiting for it. I have two communities that I want to expand but don't even want to dig into the code. I am hoping for portals, CMSes, file and photo galleries and link indexes to all take advantage of it for my personal hobby sites.

[express]

Are you doing anything in the new release to the postindex table. to keep its size down and to make it better for db restores?

[squall14716]

If you have MySQL 4, enable full text searching and empty the stupid thing.

[express]

Thanks will try that, did not know about it, by doing this does it increase the load on the server?

[Michael_C]

A lot of this stuff is directly copied from IPB with no innovations at all, are you playing follow the leader?:rolleyes:

[Erwin]

A lot of this stuff is directly copied from IPB with no innovations at all, are you playing follow the leader?:rolleyes:
Hello? What a strange comment...

Anyway, looking forward to this. :) I may have to take 2 weeks off work to do major recoding so that all the hacks on my site can be upgraded!

[squall14716]

A lot of this stuff is directly copied from IPB with no innovations at all, are you playing follow the leader?:rolleyes:
Let's see. What was copied by vBulletin.

AJAX? Wait, IPS didn't develop that. Sorry.
Inline moderating? It's been on the feature request list for quite some time, and is no where near a copy of IPB's.

What else is there? Find anything?

[HenryG2]

A lot of this stuff is directly copied from IPB with no innovations at all, are you playing follow the leader?:rolleyes:

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe vBulletin let out a few features that would be included in vB 2.1 (when it was 2.1) long before Invision made any announcements of their software development. However, many of these features are now included in the current version of IB. (Of course, it was released first, but mind you... I believe there were 2 security updates, and a routine bug fix released in the last two weeks.)

[Tailfeathers]

Wow...this is going to be a great release. I can't wait. :D

Thank you very much for giving us this update. :)