vBulletin Development Update Discussion

[daemon]

Er, why doesn't the Ajax features work in Opera 8? (Yes, JS is enabled)

o_O

Gah, don't tell me Opera doesn't support it!
Opera doesn't support it, according to bug #49 (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/bugs35.php?do=view&bugid=49).

I see lot of guys trying to test in the test forum, but apart the quick reply what should we test?
You can also test the ability to edit the titles of threads you created (within a 5 minute period in which you are allowed to).

[hollyboy]

You can also test the ability to edit the titles of threads you created (within a 5 minute period in which you are allowed to).

I've tried this many times and it doesnt work (the ajax function)

[daemon]

I've tried this many times and it doesnt work (the ajax function)
What browser are you using?

[hollyboy]

What browser are you using?
firefox

[daemon]

firefox
Try clearing your caches and doing a hard refresh. Also make sure you're trying to edit the title of a thread that you created within the last 5 minutes. It's working for me.

[hollyboy]

Try clearing your caches and doing a hard refresh. Also make sure you're trying to edit the title of a thread that you created within the last 5 minutes. It's working for me.
I did everything :(

[Blindspot]

im using opera 8 and it works for me

[weirdpixels]

I've tried this many times and it doesnt work (the ajax function)
are you double clicking just next to the thread title, that you created?

[hollyboy]

I cant even log out now....

[Reimer]

I've tried this many times and it doesnt work (the ajax function)
Dito :(

[Kier]

Now that this thread has several pages, you should be able to see another new feature, which is Relative Page Jumps.

What does this mean? Well, let's imagine for example that a thread has a thousand pages, you're currently viewing page 3, and you want to see page 500. How do you do it?

Those with some knowledge of how requests are passed via the URL can of course change the URL to blablabla...&page=500 but that's not much good for Joe Public who has no idea of such things. Until now, they would have had to keep clicking page links for ages until they get to the page they want.

Relative page jumps allow the admin to specify relative page jump intervals, such as 10 100 500 1000. Now the person viewing page 3 of a thousand page thread will see a page navigator that instead of looking like this:

First < 1 2 3 4 5 6 > Last

... will instead see this:

First < 1 2 3 4 5 13 53 103 503 > Last

Now they can click the 503 link (current page plus 500) and then they will have a page nav showing page 500. The number of clicks is now down from [loads] to just two.

[Fusion]

It's looking good, Kier. :D

[John Miller]

Now that this thread has several pages, you should be able to see another new feature, which is Relative Page Jumps.

What does this mean? Well, let's imagine for example that a thread has a thousand pages, you're currently viewing page 3, and you want to see page 500. How do you do it?

Those with some knowledge of how requests are passed via the URL can of course change the URL to blablabla...&page=500 but that's not much good for Joe Public who has no idea of such things. Until now, they would have had to keep clicking page links for ages until they get to the page they want.

Relative page jumps allow the admin to specify relative page jump intervals, such as 10 100 500 1000. Now the person viewing page 3 of a thousand page thread will see a page navigator that instead of looking like this:

First < 1 2 3 4 5 6 > Last

... will instead see this:

First < 1 2 3 4 5 13 53 103 503 > Last

Now they can click the 503 link (current page plus 500) and then they will have a page nav showing page 500. The number of clicks is now down from [loads] to just two.
I cannot see the page-navigator on this page now ?
I am using IE 6.0 with windows xp sp2.

I am on page 51 and want to visit page 10

[WiBu]

I too am not seeing this... Maybe they haven't set it up yet. Anyway, AJAX is cool... I never thought stuff like this could have been possible given what people were doing even a short time ago.

[mOdEtWo]

im using opera 8 and it works for me
Are you serious?

In general Opera supports most of what is usually included in the Ajax terms. The most important exception may be that our XmlHttpRequest support isn't complete.
....

[John Miller]

I too am not seeing this... Maybe they haven't set it up yet. Anyway, AJAX is cool... I never thought stuff like this could have been possible given what people were doing even a short time ago.
What are the visual benifts of AJAX ?
I am not talking about performance gains, or improvements on backend.

But curious to know, what are the improvements on front-end ?

[Ogden2k]

I too am not seeing this... Maybe they haven't set it up yet. Anyway, AJAX is cool... I never thought stuff like this could have been possible given what people were doing even a short time ago.
Go to page one and you will see it.

[AzhriaLilu]

I'm seeing it :D

from page one it reads 1 2 3 11 51
and from page 52 it reads First < 2 42 50 51 52

*applauds*

[ManagerJosh]

For the AJAX functions to work, you need to doubleclick on the thread you created in forumdisplay within 5 minutes of creating the thread.

[John Miller]

For the AJAX functions to work, you need to doubleclick on the thread you created in forumdisplay within 5 minutes of creating the thread.
I get an option to edit the thread title, but it re-directs me to showthread immediately..
Any idea ? http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=139862

[ManagerJosh]

Simple Procedure for AJAX:

Create Test Thread
Go Back to Forumdisplay level showing Test Thread
Double Click on Cell of thread that you created.

AJAX Activates :)


Note, this must be done within the first 5 minutes of your thread creation. Thereafter, it locks up :)

[Ecron Daemon]

great work! :D

[John Miller]

Simple Procedure for AJAX:

Create Test Thread
Go Back to Forumdisplay level showing Test Thread
Double Click on Cell of thread that you created.

AJAX Activates :)


Note, this must be done within the first 5 minutes of your thread creation. Thereafter, it locks up :)
I tried same ManageJosh :)
But, on doubleclick, I can see the thread title turned into editable mode on forumsdisplay and immediately opens the thread, instead of let me edit it.

[Kier]

John - click on the area surrounding the thread title, not on the thread title itself.

A click on the thread title will register as a click on the thread title hyperlink and take you to showthread.php.

[John Miller]

John - click on the area surrounding the thread title, not on the thread title itself.

A click on the thread title will register as a click on the thread title hyperlink and take you to showthread.php.
Yup works great, thanks Kier
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=139874

But kindly consider about some visual changes as well, it shall be very difficult (almost impossible) for webmasters to make this understand to new users.

Can you please highlight/answer this question as well ?
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showpost.php?p=871358&postcount=766

[Ogden2k]

I don't see how this will be confusing to anyone? How would it be? I'm sure you can change the background color to the text box if you want via CSS.

[Neutral Singh]

AJAX is simply Amazing !!

[Neutral Singh]

Some body said that i can use AJAX in forumdisplay for five minutes after creation... does this apply to admin as well ??

new Quick Reply is amazingly fast and also show posts made simultaneously thus saving lots of time wasting on refreshing the pages. I am loving it !!!

[John Miller]

yes, quickreply is rocking here. what do you mean by show posts made ?

[weirdpixels]

Some body said that i can use AJAX in forumdisplay for five minutes after creation... does this apply to admin as well ??

new Quick Reply is amazingly fast and also show posts made simultaneously thus saving lots of time wasting on refreshing the pages. I am loving it !!!
I should think that if you are an admin, you can edit any thread title and leave it for as long as you want

[M1th]

Have you guys had a chance to benchmark the code under PHP4 vs PHP5? If so, any noticeable difference?

PS. Let me just add that, vBulletin 3.5.0 Preview rocks!

[sooner95]

Looks good !

[le`shaq]

i don't like the pointer cursor when hovering the editable table cells. will that remain? (i know it won't be such of a hard hack to change that ;))

[Reimer]

Create Test Thread
Go Back to Forumdisplay level showing Test Thread
Double Click on Cell of thread that you created.

AJAX Activates :)

Opera switches the title, but is not able to store the change in the database. Little bug :(

[Scott MacVicar]

Opera doesn't correctly support ajax at the moment regarding POST data.

[Stirpes]

Will this version have HTML allowance per usergroup?

[bithaze]

Opera doesn't correctly support ajax at the moment regarding POST data.
Well that isn't cool. :(

/me curses Opera

Edit: Quick Reply shows up almost instantly. Nice.

[_| () R | Z]

Now that this thread has several pages, you should be able to see another new feature, which is Relative Page Jumps.

What does this mean? Well, let's imagine for example that a thread has a thousand pages, you're currently viewing page 3, and you want to see page 500. How do you do it?

Those with some knowledge of how requests are passed via the URL can of course change the URL to blablabla...&page=500 but that's not much good for Joe Public who has no idea of such things. Until now, they would have had to keep clicking page links for ages until they get to the page they want.

Relative page jumps allow the admin to specify relative page jump intervals, such as 10 100 500 1000. Now the person viewing page 3 of a thousand page thread will see a page navigator that instead of looking like this:

First < 1 2 3 4 5 6 > Last

... will instead see this:

First < 1 2 3 4 5 13 53 103 503 > Last

Now they can click the 503 link (current page plus 500) and then they will have a page nav showing page 500. The number of clicks is now down from [loads] to just two.

/me has been waiting ages for that feature

[Scott MacVicar]

I'm currently trying to poke Opera to see if I can work out whats causing the problem, made up a good few testcases for a few browsers recently.

[Medar]

Am curious to learn more about the New Post tracking...as this is my main reason for waiting on a new license...

Is it functioning here with cookies/db, or are there details on how this works?

Many thanks!

[Zachery]

The new mark read system is working here.

[ForYou]

Hello ,

Please see attach image ,

With my all Regards

[Ken Iovino]

Weird, im not seeing that.

[golfer adam]

Me nethier

[Scott MacVicar]

Might be down to a change Mike did to get any posts between the one your viewing and the reply.

[Ken Iovino]

Seems the numbers of the post are now correct when replying with the QR.

[Khaleel]

OK let me say something, after reading this this discussion, I could probably quote every thing and say its brilliant

The new plugin system is designed to allow modifications to the code to be made without editing the PHP files, meaning that not only can you still receive support, but upgrading vBulletin to a new version will leave your modifications intact, so you won't need to re-apply them every time.


All I can say is a big thumbs up and a big woop for the vBulletin team, the work you do is amazing! And the version sounds fantastic! Keep up the awesome work!!!

1 Question - Will some of these menus and options work on other browsers like my safari rss2 (apple ibook) ?

Keep the good work!

[Zachery]

Safari is lacking support due to safari bugs atm. Firefox, Camino, IE6 all work fine though.

[woodysfj40]

The Forum Read Marking system will be a welcome addition.....

Will this be a global-only option? Or could it be group-switchable? (IE: supporting/paid forum members get the option -or can select in their UserCP-, others are on the old system)

Thanks - upgrading my server this week in anticipation of the release!

[FASherman]

I tried same ManageJosh :)
But, on doubleclick, I can see the thread title turned into editable mode on forumsdisplay and immediately opens the thread, instead of let me edit it.

I can confirm this behavior. Happens to me too. I get redirected before I finish my edit.

[GreggH]

Are you changing the "search type" to 'boolean' at the bottom of the search page? When I did that I got 165 hits for "mysql table" and 300 for mysql table.

No. I completely missed that setting at the bottom. I tried it again with boolean selected and it worked fine. Is it possible to set it so that Boolean is selected by default?

[Steve Machol]

No. I completely missed that setting at the bottom. I tried it again with boolean selected and it worked fine. Is it possible to set it so that Boolean is selected by default?Yes, you would just edit the appropriate template to do this.

[zetetic]

Hello ,

Please see attach image ,

With my all Regards
That's a feature, not a bug. :)

It's called relative page jumps and it's described here (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showpost.php?p=871337&postcount=761).

[GreggH]

That's a feature, not a bug. :)

It's called relative page jumps and it's described here (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showpost.php?p=871337&postcount=761).
Very cool. I just noticed that feature. Very good idea.

[Freddie Bingham]

You can choose which option you wish to be your default and save your search preferences from the search screen.

The Natural Language search is the answer to large forums that have searching issues. If you fit in that category, you will want to only offer that search option to the majority of your users. Save boolean search as a paid upgrade.

[Kusadasi-Guy]

Will we all really download this perfect version in early june? any delay?

[Tailfeathers]

I have a question. Right now, you would have to teach all your members that to use the attach bbcode, you have to look at the URL, see the ID, plus it in the bbcode, etc... seems a bit complicated. Might this be improved/simplified?
Any comments? :)

[Steve Machol]

Any comments? :)
Why don't you post a suggestion on how you want this to work in the vB3 Suggestions forum?

[Tailfeathers]

Okay, will do.

Edit: here it is: http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=140022

[Kier]

FASherman:
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showpost.php?p=871438&postcount=775

[subduck]

Nice job guys :)

[Neutral Singh]

Go to Page... functionality was very much needed, thank you !!

[Neutral Singh]

What is purpose of new utility in dropdown strip at the bottom of the screen --> Right-to-Left Test ?

Edit: Would it be possble to edit posts using AJAX ? so that we dont have to click edit button even for minor spell mistakes.

Also, i noticed that Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: shows only myself after i use QR method but when i refresh it shows other members too... is this is a bug ?

[Steve Machol]

That's a demo of the new language chooser. However we don't have full language packs installed on these forums.

[Neutral Singh]

Would it be possble to edit posts using AJAX ? so that we dont have to click edit button even for minor spell mistakes.

Also, i noticed that Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: shows only myself after i use QR method but when i refresh it shows other members too... is this is a bug ?

[WhSox21]

I think that's a much needed feature, although I think that it should be created different than the way the hack was created on vb.org. I say just double click your post and it turns into a textarea. Same with the post titles. This would be a great tool for fixing spelling mistakes.

[Neutral Singh]

Yes, this facility will be really useful using AJAX !! Its amazing how integrating AJAX into vB, has opened a new window for some really cool forums in a future not too far away... :)

The other thing i just noticed right now is that my post count is not increasing even when i am posting in this thread ? Is this due to beta testing or a bug ?

[Steve Machol]

Posts made in this forum don't add to the user count.

[Blootix.com]

When do you recommend us to update our live forum? When 3.5 Gold comes out or when the betas are coming out or what's the deal with that?

[DJDarknez]

Well, I didn't understand most of the threads in this whole thing, just because I'm kinda dumb when it comes to javascript, php, ajax, blah blah blah.....

That being said, I am fairly excited about the release of 3.5.

And for the time between a Beta release and a full-blown release, just think of it this way: you can use that time to wait for the hack-writers to update they're code to 3.5.

edit:

ok, I did quick reply, and clicked submit message and BOOM there is was. That's just cool! :D

[Blaminator]

is AJAX regarding postdata fully supported in firefox?

[ManagerJosh]

is AJAX regarding postdata fully supported in firefox?
AFAIK, the only browser that seems to be having problems with AJAX is older browsers and Apple Safari users.

[weirdpixels]

Nice have just seen the go to page feature :)

[M1th]

I like the "Go to Page..." dropdown! very nice idea!

[Ken Iovino]

I like the "Go to Page..." dropdown! very nice idea!
I just noticed that. Very nice! :)

[Tailfeathers]

Would it be possble to edit posts using AJAX ? so that we dont have to click edit button even for minor spell mistakes.

Also, i noticed that Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: shows only myself after i use QR method but when i refresh it shows other members too... is this is a bug ?
Report that as a 3.5 bug and they will look into it.

[Scott MacVicar]

Its an already reported bug.

[le`shaq]

is it possible not to update the last visit time stamp when marking all forums read? i noticed that it was necessary to the old mark read system. what about now?
thanks

[WhSox21]

Report that as a 3.5 bug and they will look into it.
I didn't have this problem when I posted using the quick reply.

[timmed]

very nice, I'm very glad that I bought an owned license 2 months ago, I eagerly await the release of 3.5.

[telc]

VBulletin has grown into the best online forum software and there are many forums they have thousands of users. Many site owners would love to expand thier communities and add more forums and have the user database shared.

I would be great if in a future release of vBulletin you had the option at the time of install to install a copy of vBulletin in "slave" mode and it would from that point on, use the user database of a existing vBulletin install.

Then site owners would be able to purchase multiple vBulletins and point them to the master forum for authenication.

This idea it not really far fetched and would probably not be too hard for the great vBulletin developers to implement. http://images.vbulletin.com/images_vb3/smilies/wink.gif

I for one would purchase a couple additional lisences right now if this was avaliable. I know this can probably be done with a hack, but chose to run clean installs of vBulletin.

[Floris]

VBulletin has grown into the best online forum software and there are many forums they have thousands of users. Many site owners would love to expand thier communities and add more forums and have the user database shared.

I would be great if in a future release of vBulletin you had the option at the time of install to install a copy of vBulletin in "slave" mode and it would from that point on, use the user database of a existing vBulletin install.

Then site owners would be able to purchase multiple vBulletins and point them to the master forum for authenication.

This idea it not really far fetched and would probably not be too hard for the great vBulletin developers to implement. http://images.vbulletin.com/images_vb3/smilies/wink.gif

I for one would purchase a couple additional lisences right now if this was avaliable. I know this can probably be done with a hack, but chose to run clean installs of vBulletin.
As per license agreement we allow a 'slave', a Temporary Test Forum that is Not Public.

[PBChannel]

With hacks being added on as modules, will vBulletin be considering protecting the core code?

(I would since a lot of other software developers steal the code from vBulletin to improve their own software...) :rolleyes:

And I am SOOOOOOOOOO happy that hacks will be added on as "modules". Editing code every time an update came out became a tedious task.

[Breaker]

With hacks being added on as modules, will vBulletin be considering protecting the core code?

(I would since a lot of other software developers steal the code from vBulletin to improve their own software...) :rolleyes:

And I am SOOOOOOOOOO happy that hacks will be added on as "modules". Editing code every time an update came out became a tedious task.
some hacks may still require file edits as not every line of code can be covered with the new system.... so i dont think they'll be doing this any time soon, if they even can

[telc]

As per license agreement we allow a 'slave', a Temporary Test Forum that is Not Public.

That is not what I was asking.

[PBChannel]

some hacks may still require file edits as not every line of code can be covered with the new system.... so i dont think they'll be doing this any time soon, if they even can

I understand it will take time for the hacks to be migrated to the new system.

Maybe with 4.0 they'll secure the core.

[Jerry]

With hacks being added on as modules, will vBulletin be considering protecting the core code?

(I would since a lot of other software developers steal the code from vBulletin to improve their own software...) :rolleyes:

And I am SOOOOOOOOOO happy that hacks will be added on as "modules". Editing code every time an update came out became a tedious task.

"protecting the core code" means a lot of diffrent things to diffrent people, there is no ideal answer.

[admiralapril]

I just wanted to say thanks for all of the hard work. I look forward to using 3.5 soon! :cool:

[Marula]

What video, where's the link Floris?
I hope you all like my little video :)

[Marula]

Indeed! - oh yeah

[C.Birch]

oh i like the new go to page button :)

[Winchester]

I see that tachy goes to coventry has been fixed with this new version.


Just out of interest, how will it work ?


Will it hide all of a tachy members posts or just from a certain date ?


I can imagine some members might get sus if every post gets hidden.


Cheers :)

[weirdpixels]

I see attachments opening in a new window are back :) I must say I missed this since vb 3.0 was released

[bithaze]

What video, where's the link Floris? See the 3.5 Announcement thread for a link to it (if you haven't already).

[alkahf]

Thank you for new cod: [ attach ] attachmentid [ /attach]
That is what I asked before :).
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showpost.php?p=560606&postcount=15
Please don't forget this:
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112767
and this:
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80024

Regards

[Tailfeathers]

I like the calendar idea actually, seems like a given that there should be an enable/disable option for it. :)

[daemon]

AFAIK, the only browser that seems to be having problems with AJAX is older browsers and Apple Safari users.
Safari supports AJAX, just not the elements that make title editing work. Opera does not, however, support AJAX at all. Just so it's clarified :).

[ManagerJosh]

Safari supports AJAX, just not the elements that make title editing work. Opera does not, however, support AJAX at all. Just so it's clarified :).
Hmm....i don't know daemon. Is it a limitation within the program?

[kmike]

With hacks being added on as modules, will vBulletin be considering protecting the core code?

(I would since a lot of other software developers steal the code from vBulletin to improve their own software...) :rolleyes:


Please, please, PLEASE, don't do that! It is a nightmare for 3rd party developers if some parts of a core code are encoded. Modernbill comes to mind first :(
I don't think direct code stealing is an issue. More like ideas stealing, which is different thing altogether. Or can you share an example of such code theft with us?

[daemon]

Hmm....i don't know daemon. Is it a limitation within the program?
Safari has problems with document.getElementByTagName() which prevents the inline title editing; it still supports AJAX though (the entire foundation of Dashboard is built around it). However Opera does not support AJAX at all, though the 8.0.x release that's upcoming is supposed to have it (from what I've read of Scott's posts).

[Webnower]

Sorry to stray off topic, but what are the advantages of Opera? I only ever really hear about how it isn't compatible with stuff...

[MissKalunji]

What about the skin for the forums? does it still uses the same type or will i need an upgrade like we needed from 2.x.x to 3.x.x ?

[TeenForums]

Cant wait for this, guess i will have to set this up as a test board and rehack it till i use it though!!! My members are forever asking for new features, they wouldnt be too happy if they suddenly all dissapeared!!!

I love whats being added though!!!

Well done Jelsoft!!!

[Weapon-x]

I got a question when we install the final version are we going to lose posts and members? Or is everything kept?

[Boxy]

No data will be lost.

When you come to upgrade, make sure you backup your database first.

[Lenni]

you wont lose anything.

[Wayne Luke]

Sorry to stray off topic, but what are the advantages of Opera? I only ever really hear about how it isn't compatible with stuff...
It runs on cellphones and PDAs...

[squall14716]

With hacks being added on as modules, will vBulletin be considering protecting the core code?
I still stand by what I said before. Closing off the code will do nothing but kill off the main reason I'm still lurking around here without a board. Not only that, half the fun is modifying the code. :p

[Weapon-x]

No data will be lost.

When you come to upgrade, make sure you backup your database first.
I am sorry but how do you backup your forum? Can you give me step by step instructions?

[PitchouneN64ngc]

I am sorry but how do you backup your forum? Can you give me step by step instructions?
http://www.vbulletin.com/docs/html/moving_servers_backup and http://www.vbulletin.com/docs/html/moving_servers_restore ;)

[rh2004]

I like the idea where you don't need to readd your hacks now after an upgrade. This will save me many hours (or days work)

[Zachery]

This concept will be totally depndant on how the hacker make their hacks.

[Oblivion Knight]

oh i like the new go to page button :)Yeah, though it seems as though there's a slight bug with the page numbers at the moment.. ;)

[Kier]

Yeah, though it seems as though there's a slight bug with the page numbers at the moment.. ;)
What bug is that?

[Oblivion Knight]

See for yourself.. :)

[ Page 58 of 58 « First < 8 48 56 57 58 v ]

[Kier]

See for yourself.. :)

[ Page 58 of 58 « First < 8 48 56 57 58 v ]
Still not seeing a bug there.

[Oblivion Knight]

Oh, that was a purposeful thing?

So how does it work? Current page with the first 2 pages below it, 10 pages below it and then 50 pages below? Pretty smart, but it does initially seem like a bug.. ;)

[golfer adam]

Every 3 pages it skips 10 if you know what I mean like 58,57,56 then it jumps to 48.....

[Kier]

It's currently set to display relative jumps at intervals of 10, 50, 100 and 1000.

If the current page is 58, you'll see relative jumps to 48 (58 -10) and 8 (58 - 50).

Once we get 68 pages you'll see a relative jump to 68 too (58 + 10).

The intervals are definable (and can be disabled if desired) in the Admin CP.

[WhSox21]

All this talk about this is getting me really excited for the release.

Any way we could get a list of where all the hooks are/will be placed?

[Dean C]

What does the pagenav pagejump look like with DHTML disabled in the admincp? Sorry if this has been asked before :)

[Ken Iovino]

What does the pagenav pagejump look like with DHTML disabled in the admincp? Sorry if this has been asked before :)
There is none. Add this at the end of your URL. "&nojs=1"

[Dean C]

There is none. Add this at the end of your URL. "&nojs=1"

Ah, I'd like to see some kind of alternative there :)

[Ludachris]

Simply amazing. I'm sure I'm not the only one who dreaded upgrading due to all the hacks I have installed on all 3 of my boards. Of course, now I'm a little concerned that the hacks will work with the new version, but at least the new Plug In system will make it so I don't keep putting off upgrading.

Thank you guys.

[WhSox21]

Will the Admin demo on the main site be updated anytime soon or an alternative for us to check out the other features there? I'm just curious, as I'm sure others are also! :)

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Answer until now have been that the admin demo will always contain the latest production version.

[Onimua]

It's currently set to display relative jumps at intervals of 10, 50, 100 and 1000.

If the current page is 58, you'll see relative jumps to 48 (58 -10) and 8 (58 - 50).

Once we get 68 pages you'll see a relative jump to 68 too (58 + 10).

The intervals are definable (and can be disabled if desired) in the Admin CP.

Can we turn that off, by the way? Personally, I see it better as having normal page numbers, then use the dropdown menu to select your page. Right now it does look like something wrong with it, and I think regular members on our personal forums will keep asking how to use it or may keep complaining that it is a bug.

[Zachery]

You can turn it off on your own forums, yes, its an option.

[youradultworld]

I haven't been upgrading as much as I should be basically because of the fact that any sort of customization is done to the files and templates and who knows what the auto upgrading will do. With this new plug in enhancement, I am excited, but hoping that I will then be able to do all of the ordinary customizations that I have been such as custom registration questions, a zipcode proximity searching feature, and a few others.

Mentioned in the announcement it says that most hacks will be able to support this if the coder wants to do it that way. But not everything will be able to be done?

[fpouk]

Cant wait for this badboy to come out

[feldon23]

Mentioned in the announcement it says that most hacks will be able to support this if the coder wants to do it that way. But not everything will be able to be done?
There is, of course, a limit to how much a piece of software can be modularized. We shall see just how modular vB3.5 is. Even if it shaves 1 hour off the time it takes you to upgrade from one version of vB to the next, isn't that a good thing?

[XUG]

So After vB3.5 (which looks like candy) you guys gonna work on the CMS ;)

[freaky]

are there any improvements planned for paid subscription? These are some that could be useful. Success of most big sites depend on the revenue they generate. I am sorry if these have already been mentioned, maybe I am asking for too much :)

1. Ability to change subscription package display order
2. In admincp, be able to search users to see what subscription package they have.
3. Create a checks and balances system where the system will check (when manually triggered) and make sure a user is not in subscriber group even after sub expires.
4. Add more options in Usergroup Manager so more features can be enabled/disabled in a specific usergroup.
5. Ability to renew with a different package than what was originally purchased. Currently, only renewals of the same package works fine, renewing with different package screws it up.

[freaky]

btw, GREAT job on 3.5.0

[youradultworld]

There is, of course, a limit to how much a piece of software can be modularized. We shall see just how modular vB3.5 is. Even if it shaves 1 hour off the time it takes you to upgrade from one version of vB to the next, isn't that a good thing?

You're absolutely right, and I do have to say that this is by far the best piece of software that I've bought for my money, and I've probably spent well over $2000 in the past few years on web scripts. I'll be renewing my upgrade license in October for sure.

I'm just anxious like everyone else, and curious as to how things will be done so that I can get the new version and start the modifications on a fresh install. Since they won't be modifying the php files, I wish that I knew more so that I could start now while I'm so IMpatiently waiting. :p

[Webnower]

So After vB3.5 (which looks like candy) you guys gonna work on the CMS ;)
I'd really love some news on that front from someone who's working in that department. I would totally purchase the CMS as it'd make a project I have going a LOT easier.

[QuickFire]

This one looks great..Waiting for it. :)

[Dean C]

I'd really love some news on that front from someone who's working in that department. I would totally purchase the CMS as it'd make a project I have going a LOT easier.

From misc. statements that have been made by the devs it seems that user-integration into our own applications is going to be a lot easier too. Also the data manager sounds like it will make sharing the data within vBulletin a lot easier. So if Jelsoft is slow off the mark with releasing their CMS I think you can be sure that over at vBulletin.org someone will develop one fairly quickly :D!

[dbembibre]

Please Vb Team add a option to disable moderators and admin logs

[weirdpixels]

Please Vb Team add a option to disable moderators and admin logs
why would you want such an option? those logs are always useful
If the logs are taking up too much room on your database just prune them every so often

[Slave]

Yeah .. looking forward to the full release .. although I am worried about waiting for hack authors updating their hacks and how long that's going to take ..

You may even get the situation where a hack isn't updated at all .. :(

I guess we'll have to wait and see .. :)

[Slave]

Oh .. and that new instant reply thing on quick reply is just sublime .. :)

[feldon23]

Slave,

You've hit the nail on the head. vB3.5 will be great fun, and it will probably sit on people's hard drives for a few weeks (or months) waiting for hacks to be rewritten. :)

[PBChannel]

Yeah .. looking forward to the full release .. although I am worried about waiting for hack authors updating their hacks and how long that's going to take ..

You may even get the situation where a hack isn't updated at all .. :(

I guess we'll have to wait and see .. :)

They're expecting a pre-release to current license holders in June, so I'm guessing that most hack developers will start re-working the hacks then.

[Slave]

Slave,

You've hit the nail on the head. vB3.5 will be great fun, and it will probably sit on people's hard drives for a few weeks (or months) waiting for hacks to be rewritten. :)
Yep .. my forums have been heavily hacked so I'm guessing I wont be upgrading for a while yet while all the hacks are updated. There is no way I'm going to install 3.5 just to lose features that my members are now used to.

[Tailfeathers]

Thankfully the extent of my hacks is editing a template to link to a spellchecker. :D So I've never taken more than five minutes to upgrade and will be able to use 3.5 off the bat... now that hacks won't take forever to install and redo every time there is an upgrade, I might start using a few once they are made for 3.5. :)

[Slave]

They're expecting a pre-release to current license holders in June, so I'm guessing that most hack developers will start re-working the hacks then.
That's if the hack authors are still about ..

I know of at least 3 authors who are no longer about and so their hacks will just sit there without being updated .. which is a bit of a bugger given they are some of my most used hacks :(

[Tailfeathers]

Well I guess it's always possible others will do it...

[Slave]

Well I guess it's always possible others will do it...
I'm not sure that vb.org allows that at the moment. I guess there might be a relaxation of the rule due to 3.5 .. but I know that v2 hacks were, I think, only allowed to be upgraded to v3 hacks if the original author did it. I think it was down to copyright rules.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong?

[feldon23]

Thankfully the extent of my hacks is editing a template to link to a spellchecker. :D So I've never taken more than five minutes to upgrade and will be able to use 3.5 off the bat... now that hacks won't take forever to install and redo every time there is an upgrade, I might start using a few once they are made for 3.5. :)
I realize this is probably not the topic for it, but which spellcheck did you end up using and does it work with WYSIWYG? I looked at the 2 main ones at vB.org which use aspell and pspell and neither seemed ideal.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

I'm not sure that vb.org allows that at the moment. I guess there might be a relaxation of the rule due to 3.5 .. but I know that v2 hacks were, I think, only allowed to be upgraded to v3 hacks if the original author did it. I think it was down to copyright rules.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong?That is correct. We take copyrights serious at www.vbulletin.org (http://www.vbulletin.org). We don't allow hacks without permission of the original author.

[feldon23]

I didn't realize it was such a big deal over at vB.org. I just assumed that any hack I posted there was open source. Although if someone changed 1 line and put their own name on it as the author, I would seek to discredit them.

So why doesn't vB.org have a popup menu to select what kind of release the code is -- GPL, GNU, etc.

Having a forum full of dead-end code that the original authors aren't around to maintain = bad news.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

I didn't realize it was such a big deal over at vB.org. I just assumed that any hack I posted there was open source. Although if someone changed 1 line and put their own name on it as the author, I would seek to discredit them.
This happens a lot actually. A lot of hacks are removed, withdrawn or rewritten on Staff request because someone take the hack of someone else, change 2 lines, put their own name on it, remove all reference to original coder and release it.

If an original author is not active anymore, and someone wants to "take over", vBorg Staff will in most cases try to assist in contacting the original author to get his permission.

I don't think the popup you are talking about still exist.

[TruthElixirX]

Also seems to me if there was a hack that was the best hack ever (:p...) and it was for 3.0 and the author refused to upgrade it to 3.5 then no one can use that idea. Seems to me it kills more than it creates. If there is a piece of software for windows 3.1 and I want to make it do the same thing on XP I'm gonig to have to completely re-write it. If I re-write it for another OS it is my hack and a completely new one.

Maybe I'm thinking about this wrong though.

[John Miller]

this thread has most replies in the entire annoucment discussion forum :)
more and more people are fascinated with AJAX :)

[danb00]

right say if we need to update from vbulltin 3.0.7 (when 3.5 comes out) will it be a simple upgrade that will delete all old needed stuff or will it be more complicated than that?

[cLord]

right say if we need to update from vbulltin 3.0.7 (when 3.5 comes out) will it be a simple upgrade that will delete all old needed stuff or will it be more complicated than that?Good question!

[womensden]

Sorry if I'm repeating someone else... but is this still planned to be released early June? Or did I miss something?

[Floris]

Sorry if I'm repeating someone else... but is this still planned to be released early June? Or did I miss something?
Hi there womensden, welcome to the vBulletin community! Thank you for your recent purchase.

Yes, the plans are still there to try and make an early June release; if things go smoothly. Of course, it could be done sooner, but also later; that is always the thing with estimated times.

[feldon23]

Floris.. Always ready with the canned answers. :) ;)

If you have an unhacked vB3.0.x, the upgrade to vB3.5 should be reasonably painless and certainly will not result in any loss of threads, attachments, etc.

vB3.0 -> 3.5 will be an interesting situation for people with hacked boards and Jelsoft are going to have to repeatedly remind people that they are "out on a limb" with heavily modified boards and to be patient.

There will be situations where:

*A hack for vB3.0 isn't available for vB3.5 and won't be for some time or the author is unreachable.

*Because of the above, someone might write a similar hack for vB3.5 which imports the data from said hack. Unknown issues may occur due to the importation of the data.

*A hack for vB3.0 is being ported to vB3.5, but the author doesn't have time/knowledge to learn OOP/vB3.5 techniques, so it will still have a lot of "open this file, find this code, change it to this code" stuff.

A lot is riding on the shoulders of vBulletin.org management or helpful/concerned individuals who are frequent posters over there to sort the wheat from the chaff when the vB3.5 hacks start rolling in. Hopefully some resources for developers will come together.

[YoungCoder]

Floris.. Always ready with the canned answers. :) ;)


I believe administrators have select boxes by every post to create automatic replies to certain questions :p

[Deimos]

Looking forward to this update, especially the tracking change for posts
I often view my boards from work briefly and don't have time to read all the posts before my boss resurfaces, so I end up going home and missing half the posts, heh.

Good work Vbulletin

[Jerry]

Floris.. Always ready with the canned answers. :) ;)

If you have an unhacked vB3.0.x, the upgrade to vB3.5 should be reasonably painless and certainly will not result in any loss of threads, attachments, etc.

vB3.0 -> 3.5 will be an interesting situation for people with hacked boards ........

The main reason the vB3.0.x -> vB3.0.x importer was done was for hacked boards that wanted to start again or be normalised.

I'd expect a 3.0.x -> 3.5 and 3.5 -> 3.5 importer so people can use them if they can't upgrade due to the amount of hacks then, they can reapply the rewritten 3.5 hacks possibly.

[Bad_i_BILL]

I liked the little video I looked at of 3.5.

Looks very sweet & again vB proves themselves to be the #1 forum software provider (IMHO) :D .

I'd love to have that running, even if only privately.
I wish adding a new forum was only a double click, like editing is.....

I am salivating over the release. I know I will be patient but anticipate the release of beta next month. :cool:

[zetetic]

Yes, the plans are still there to try and make an early June release; if things go smoothly.
Just to clarify... unless I'm mistaken we're looking at a planned release of the public beta for early June, not vB 3.5.0. Unless something drastic happened in the last week... :D

[zetetic]

Does anyone know if the change to the database class is going to make it difficult to migrate data from any hacks that stored stuff in the database? I'm not even sure that question makes sense. :)

[Floris]

Just to clarify... unless I'm mistaken we're looking at a planned release of the public beta for early June, not vB 3.5.0. Unless something drastic happened in the last week... :D
we will release vBulletin 3.5 to public beta by early June. 3.5.0

[zetetic]

Yeah, I think we're saying the same thing but differently. :)

vB 3.5.0 beta is slated for an early June release. As far as I know the release date of the completed vB 3.5.0 product hasn't been announced. Isn't that the case?

[ShytK]

VBulletin is the most scalable forum I have seen in my life, which is nice, but besides the fact, I don't understand why you guys are still making the minimum requirements for MySQL to be 3.23. There are so many things you guys can take advantage of in 4.1.1 and above, and if I were a VBulletin developer, I would make 5.0.2, the minimum MySQL version when 5.0.2 version is officially released because of all the features.

Why don't you guys also have a VBulletin for Oracle?

If you guys are targetting businesses, then the professional manner would be to change the minimum requirements to something more recent.

[southernlady]

What video? Liz

[Bad_i_BILL]

What video? Liz

http://files.vbulletin.com/3.5/ajax.html

[crash resistant]

VBulletin is the most scalable forum I have seen in my life, which is nice, but besides the fact, I don't understand why you guys are still making the minimum requirements for MySQL to be 3.23. There are so many things you guys can take advantage of in 4.1.1 and above, and if I were a VBulletin developer, I would make 5.0.2, the minimum MySQL version when 5.0.2 version is officially released because of all the features.

Why don't you guys also have a VBulletin for Oracle?

If you guys are targetting businesses, then the professional manner would be to change the minimum requirements to something more recent.

on the contrary. If that were the case, I would have to put it on a different server, or upgrade my current one, in which case half of my other scripts would break.

[Zachery]

VBulletin is the most scalable forum I have seen in my life, which is nice, but besides the fact, I don't understand why you guys are still making the minimum requirements for MySQL to be 3.23. There are so many things you guys can take advantage of in 4.1.1 and above, and if I were a VBulletin developer, I would make 5.0.2, the minimum MySQL version when 5.0.2 version is officially released because of all the features.

Why don't you guys also have a VBulletin for Oracle?

If you guys are targetting businesses, then the professional manner would be to change the minimum requirements to something more recent.
Its unrealistic to specificly develop vBulletin for php5 and MySQL 4.1.X.

Most hosts are not even running that yet. I myself won't be running php5 as default on my servers for awhile, and I'd like to avoid 4.1.x atad bit longer, as aside from sub queries and a few other small things, there are more headaches than benifits.

[ShytK]

I never mentioned php5. I said when MySQL 5.0.2 is released, the final stage, Vbulletin should adjust its code accordingly to it.

Admit it, what MySQL 3.23 offers is a joke for large forums. It's very realistic. Forums like fusetalk at fusetalk.net, and lithium at lithium.com, do this for a reason, they are way more successful with large businesses, like powering forums for Macromedia, Dell, Nintendo, etc.

Requirements should be upto date. Offering a forum like VBulletin, which is scalable, is great, but if you don't keep up with requirements, it looks as if you guys are just trying to bloat it as much as possible, to attract many users, maybe that is the truth?

[Elmer]

I love it!

[feldon23]

No need to dump MySQL 3.23 support. Anything that gains significant speed improvements from MySQL 4 can be code add-ons. The first such example is boolean/phrase search.

[Wayne Luke]

I believe administrators have select boxes by every post to create automatic replies to certain questions :p

This would be such a helpful feature if it existed.

[Wayne Luke]

VBulletin is the most scalable forum I have seen in my life, which is nice, but besides the fact, I don't understand why you guys are still making the minimum requirements for MySQL to be 3.23. There are so many things you guys can take advantage of in 4.1.1 and above, and if I were a VBulletin developer, I would make 5.0.2, the minimum MySQL version when 5.0.2 version is officially released because of all the features.

Why don't you guys also have a VBulletin for Oracle?

If you guys are targetting businesses, then the professional manner would be to change the minimum requirements to something more recent.
Quite simply put... MySQL 4.1.X does not have the market saturation to be viable.

That said, vBulletin 3.5.0 has support for MySQL 4.1.X if it is installed complete with a separate database class you can use. Making it the minimum requirement would preclude 70-80% of our customer base from upgrading.

[Reeve of Shinra]

Especially if it can be optionally tied into the FAQ. ;)

[Webnower]

I have MySQL 4.1.11.... What advantages does it have over 3.x?

[buro9]

The non JavaScript experience of this site is absolutely horrendous now.

Fortunately most users have JavaScript enabled at the moment.

Unfortunately most web spiders arent ECMA Script capable... and cant reach all of the content.

And what happens the next time a major security risk says: "Disable JavaScript for now"?

Things like threaded and hybrid display views should be disabled on the server if a non JavaScript browser is detected.

Things like the UI for Quick Links, Options, etc... should be revisited for non JavaScript browsers.

And whatever you do Jelsoft... I beg you not to put any content behind AJAX.

Dont go fetching posts, caching or things like that with AJAX. Or if you do... you must have a feature rish disabled version available.

AJAX is really cool, but I wont be following vBulletin any further if you start to mess with the front end user experience such that it excludes users (mobile devices, non-ECMA capable) or reduces the chance of us getting new users (prevents spiders from reaching content, denies us search placement).

[FASherman]

A lot is riding on the shoulders of vBulletin.org management or helpful/concerned individuals who are frequent posters over there to sort the wheat from the chaff when the vB3.5 hacks start rolling in. Hopefully some resources for developers will come together.

What they really need to do is distinquish between "hacks" and "plugins" and have the release area organized to separate the two. Once the plugin system is released with 3.5, I don't plan on ever installing another hack. If it isn't released as a plugin, that I'm not going to use it.

Managing dozens of hacks through multiple releases is just a pain in the butt.

[WhSox21]

What they really need to do is distinquish between "hacks" and "plugins" and have the release area organized to separate the two. Once the plugin system is released with 3.5, I don't plan on ever installing another hack. If it isn't released as a plugin, that I'm not going to use it.

Managing dozens of hacks through multiple releases is just a pain in the butt.
I agree with you. I mentioned this in a thread on vb.org. Many people will be going the same route, with no longer installing hacks and only plugins. I think it's a great idea to keep the two seperate.

[Tailfeathers]

I don't plan on using any hacks after 3.5 either.

[AZone]

That's great innovation! However, I had to set all my works on forum modifications on hold. Glad I just started making these modifications. :)

[YoungCoder]

This would be such a helpful feature if it existed.
I'm sure you could create an administrators auto-reply system, allthough i guess it is more likely to be a plugin. In fact, if you dont make it, i will! :D

[AZone]

This forum has reputation turned off, so I cann't see if vB3.5 icludes (or will include) "Reputation Given" feature? And what about "Double Post Prevention" feature? (latter can be easily checked, but I don't have any desire for "spamming" here). Both of these features are very useful. Sorry for asking: probably, you have already told about it somewhere, but I have a time only for reading announcements on this really huge and sparkled board.
Thank you.

[Freddie Bingham]

The non JavaScript experience of this site is absolutely horrendous now.Please expand on what you feel is horrendous.

[inetd]

In Announcment forum I see many changes in 3.5.0 for administrators and moderators. But what changed for end-user?

[ShytK]

It's interesting you guys use so much javascript for all these expandable and collabsable menus, which get really annoying after a while, and not upgrade the forum to recent database versions.

[orban]

I wish vBulletin 3.5 was finally utf-8 for the database...oh well.

-orban

[womensden]

Hi there womensden, welcome to the vBulletin community! Thank you for your recent purchase.

Actually, I've been using vb for about 5 years now. I just had to re-register here. :)

Great. Thanks.

[Zachery]

It's interesting you guys use so much javascript for all these expandable and collabsable menus, which get really annoying after a while, and not upgrade the forum to recent database versions.
Quite simply put... MySQL 4.1.X does not have the market saturation to be viable.

That said, vBulletin 3.5.0 has support for MySQL 4.1.X if it is installed complete with a separate database class you can use. Making it the minimum requirement would preclude 70-80% of our customer base from upgrading.

I think Wayne makes the best point here

[Christie]

Have I understood this right, that when you reply to a thread it won't show in the new posts again until another member posts after you on that same thread?

If so will there be any way of changing that option?

I'm going to hate that feature and so will my mods I know. I often go back to a thread after thinking about it and change what I've said.

There are obviously a lot of super features especially for the mods, but I really don't like the new posts system.

[inetd]

I like new Quick Reply system, but for slow internet connection it have some problems. I must wait 3-5 secs for see my reply in thread. At this time I can't understand what happened with my reply: it submitted or not.

[ShytK]

Well, either way, a good job on the new features.

I am not a VBulletin customer, nor have I ever been, but I would love to see VBulletin with a new skin, a more simplistic skin, I like the 2.0.x skin, that was alot neater and professional.

Maybe updating to MySQL 5.0.2 when it is released would be a good choice.

[inetd]

I would love to see VBulletin with a new skin, a more simplistic skin, I like the 2.0.x skin, that was alot neater and professional.I think it's unreal, if devs want release 3.5 at early June :)

[Fusion]

inetd,
They might release a beta in June.
There's been no talk of a final release during that month, though if they manage that my hat's off to the team.

[vee_]

all I wanted to say is: keep up the great work...
it is pretty funny how you can never satisfy the mass...

I am satisfied ;)...

[southernlady]

Quite simply put... MySQL 4.1.X does not have the market saturation to be viable

It would if one of the larger users of MySQL would BOTHER upgrading...and that's YAHOO! It's one of the reasons I left them as a host cause they wouldn't upgrade their MySQL or Phpmyadmin or any of the needed php scripts for hosting. Liz

[Zachery]

Guess you've never really looked at the underling html for it then. The code for it was not even close to the html 4.02 standard. Granted some people liked the buttons better.

But buttons and styles are replaceable ;)

[ShytK]

I think it's unreal, if devs want release 3.5 at early June :)

When did I say for 3.5? I said in the future, Vbulletin should change its skin. Is it me, or when I post at opensource forums, I always get people misreading my posts.

[Zachery]

When did I say for 3.5? I said in the future, Vbulletin should change its skin. Is it me, or when I post at opensource forums, I always get people misreading my posts.
vBulletin is not open source...

[ShytK]

Php is not opensource?

You are a developer, you should know this, just because something has a price tag, doesn't mean it is closed source.

.NET is free and is not open source.

Talk about inexperienced developers. Phew.

[Steve Machol]

Php is not opensource?Who said that? :confused:

[Zachery]

I'm not a developer, I'm just support staff, but vBulletins source code is not open source,.

[daemon]

Php is not opensource?

You are a developer, you should know this, just because something has a price tag, doesn't mean it is closed source.

.NET is free and is not open source.

Talk about inexperienced developers. Phew.
The definition of "open source" as laid out by the Open Source Initiative is:

The basic idea behind open source is very simple: When programmers can read, redistribute, and modify the source code for a piece of software, the software evolves. People improve it, people adapt it, people fix bugs. And this can happen at a speed that, if one is used to the slow pace of conventional software development, seems astonishing.

vBulletin is not open source. The price is irrelevant--you can sell open source software, it's what you do with the code that's important. There are restrictions on what you can and cannot do with the vBulletin source, specifically with not being able to redistribute it; hence it's not open source. However it's visible source, meaning you can look at the code, because it's PHP. Those are two extremely different things.

[Mark.B]

All that's coming in June is a beta release, and even that's only hoped for. There's no way there'll be a full release in June.

[ThorstenA]

Very nice ... :D I am looking forward to 3.5 ... ;)

[inetd]

When did I say for 3.5? I said in the future, Vbulletin should change its skin. Is it me, or when I post at opensource forums, I always get people misreading my posts.
Sorry.
I very want new (better) style too.

[Winchester]

I see that tachy goes to coventry has been fixed with this new version.


Just out of interest, how will it work ?


Will it hide all of a tachy members posts or just from a certain date ?


I can imagine some members might get sus if every post gets hidden.


Cheers :)



:confused:

[Zachery]

Sorry.
I very want new (better) style too.
You and others (altho it is a not an overwhelming majority) have expressed dislike for a new style, and asked for a better one, yet you have not been able to tell us exactly what you think is better..

[Zachery]

:confused:
Fixed the issue of posts by users in Coventry showing up to everyone in the thread/forum last post info.
It works like it does now, but it doesn't show tatchy'ed users posts to others.

[Winchester]

Thanks Zachery :)

[Forum-Style]

Sorry.
I very want new (better) style too.


Why a better style ?, is that something owners can do, i mean its something that personal to each site :) vB has it own looks and its known for it, it would be like changing them. I like the idea of a standard look to all, if you rather a new look, pop of into admin and you can create your own, or just pop to a the download area and download a new style :)

[Webnower]

I don't really want a new style as I'm pretty good at making my own, but I can see where others are coming from -- It's just time for a change ;)

I've always liked the color schemes they use on www.StarWars.com (http://www.starwars.com/); very dramatic and pleasing to the eye. Maybe you could do something like that?

[Tailfeathers]

Have there been updates to the FAQ in 3.5?

[ShytK]

Right, this style is just not clean. It looks very bulky, very messy. I like the vB 2.x style alot better becuase it was more simple and looked more organized.

A style doesn't have to have fancy buttons and 3d graphics just to make it look good. I don't like the button sets either, they completely don't match this style.

Maybe in Vb 4.0, if that ever comes out, change the style again, make it alot more simplistic.

For example, Invision Power Board's 1.3 style is something I really liked. Maybe IPB isn't exactly as scalable as you guys make your boards, but, their styles have been alot more of what I like.

[Ogden2k]

Right, this style is just not clean. It looks very bulky, very messy. I like the vB 2.x style alot better becuase it was more simple and looked more organized.

A style doesn't have to have fancy buttons and 3d graphics just to make it look good. I don't like the button sets either, they completely don't match this style.

Maybe in Vb 4.0, if that ever comes out, change the style again, make it alot more simplistic.
I don't understand people like you... if you don't like the skin / buttons, change them.

[ShytK]

I don't understand people like you... if you don't like the skin / buttons, change them.

I don't even use VBulletin, nor do I ever plan to. Just giving my ideas on what I'd liek to see in the future.

[inetd]

I don't understand people like you... if you don't like the skin / buttons, change them.
If you don't like vB - make own bulletin board.
If you don't like vB style - make own style.

But I'm not programmer and designer. I buy this product for using. And I haven't skill and knowledge for make new style (button, design, etc).

[catocom]

I don't understand why anyone would buy software of any kind, and then not learn how to use it. :confused:

vB isn't super expensive, but when I sink that much money into something,
you can rest assured that I'm going to try to figure out atleast the basics of
administering it.

[ManagerJosh]

So After vB3.5 (which looks like candy) you guys gonna work on the CMS ;)
I personally wouldn't be surprised work is nearly finished, if it not already done with vB3.5 nearly around the corner. I suspect John is heading the team as he's been too secretive lately (2yrs nearly now)

[_| () R | Z]

he's been too secretive lately (2yrs nearly now)

busy with other things: http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109209

[GreggH]

The definition of "open source" as laid out by the Open Source Initiative is:



vBulletin is not open source. The price is irrelevant--you can sell open source software, it's what you do with the code that's important. There are restrictions on what you can and cannot do with the vBulletin source, specifically with not being able to redistribute it; hence it's not open source. However it's visible source, meaning you can look at the code, because it's PHP. Those are two extremely different things.

Interesting. I always thought that open source meant that the source code is readable and able to be modified by the end user for personal use. I know vBulletin isn't GPL or GNU or free, but I always thought that it was open source?

[TruthElixirX]

Visible Source is the term I think...Not sure.

[ShytK]

I already have my own bulletin board, only in a different language, not php.

[ManagerJosh]

Interesting. I always thought that open source meant that the source code is readable and able to be modified by the end user for personal use. I know vBulletin isn't GPL or GNU or free, but I always thought that it was open source?
vBulletin isn't open source. It's considered as Visual Source.

[ManagerJosh]

busy with other things: http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109209
I remembered that, but still, he's been really quiet :p Too quiet :)

[zetetic]

I don't even use VBulletin, nor do I ever plan to. Just giving my ideas on what I'd liek to see in the future.
No offense but why should anyone care about your opinion of the vBulletin style if you're not a customer and never plan to be?

[GreggH]

Visible Source is the term I think...Not sure.

Ah. Ok, I guess that makes sense. Edited.

[Reeve of Shinra]

I remember thier being some talk about a single control panel for admins and mods,... will this feature be available in 3.5 and can you share any info on that yet?

[ImportPassion.com]

is there any news on a better subscription system for 3.5? I would really like to get rid of amember. An import from amember would be most welcome as well. :) ...>>>>>!!!!

[tHe Rk]

If you don't like vB - make own bulletin board.
If you don't like vB style - make own style.

But I'm not programmer and designer. I buy this product for using. And I haven't skill and knowledge for make new style (button, design, etc).

Take it from me, just because you don't know anything doesn't mean you can't create new styles. It took me awhile, but through websites like vbulletintemplates.com and vbulletin.org as well as viewing source from other vBulletin sites, its highly available to learn and create your own.

When I created my site, I knew nothing about anything of html or css or anything at all, and rightly I still don't know a ton but I've been able to figure out everything I needed to from sites above and have been able to create my own themes very easily. All one needs is a good graphic artist and the possibilities become limitless.

www.xgplanet.com (http://www.xgplanet.com) or www.xgplanet.com/forums (http://www.xgplanet.com/forums) is my site, and you can use the quick style chooser to see several themes I've been able to come up with, as well as some called "Old School" which was the first trys at new themes.

Just remember that just because you don't have the knowledge doesn't mean you can't learn as you go and create an original looking board. :cool:

[Webnower]

I don't think people should want vBulletin to change it's default style just because they're too lazy to make their own, that's just stupid. Iwould like to see them change their default style because it's the first thing you see when you come to vBulletin.com. It's the face of their company so-to-speak. The current one is nice and all, but I dunno... It just doesn't have that flair that vBulletin really deserves.

I'm not putting down whoever made this one because it really is nice. Easy on the eyes and a great color scheme... But vBulletin is a dynamic, full featured and AWESOME forum software -- Their style needs to say that too. :)

[Neutral Singh]

About Styles... well i simply love the original vB default style. I reverted back to defauly style even after purchasing a new style for my forums. vB default style is so much soothing to eyes and for reading stuff over a longish period of times... ofcourse its my own perception according to my forum requirements but, in general, i like the default style as most of the readers do not want flashy graphics to read their stuff... but then you can create your own custom styles. :)

[Cap'n Steve]

I think with the release of 3.5, the vbulletin.org system is going to have to change. There will be a lot of hacks that won't be upgraded to the new system. I just recently went through some problems with a hack author abandoning his hack. I was able to take it over, but only because I got permission from him before he left the site and I was able to to bother the moderators enough to get his email address, which he eventually responded through. Overall, I was very lucky, but it was still a pain in the neck.

[Janice]

I'm a little late here, 20 pages already so pardon if I repeat what somebody else has posted. I just wanted to give you guys a big hug for fixing the sent PM pulldown so you can move the sent private messages to folders. Everytime I come here and see a new version, that's the first thing I check. I had to come back and double check to make sure I wasn't seeing things. :) I'm going to have a lot of work to do, but finally, finallly, I'll be able to clean up my Sent PMs.

I like that the mods can work the posts from right there on the board too, you guys did a great job on the next version and in my fog of almost asleep, I can't wait for it to be available.

Edit: I posted the Announcement thread in my admin forums so the mods could come and see what changes are going to happen and had a minute to watch the video. Good job on that too, it'll be quite helpful.

[JoyB]

I posted the Announcement thread in my admin forums so the mods could come and see what changes are going to happen and had a minute to watch the video.

Yes I did the same thing and my Moderators were very impressed - thanks for all the hard work guys :)

[Darkblade]

I got a few questions guys. So v3.5.0 will be released BEFORE June 12 or what? And will v3.0.7 skins work fine on v3.5?

[Wayne Luke]

3.0.7 skins will work with some modification but the majority of the style is compatible.

There is no official release date for the Beta of 3.5.0 at this time though an early June release is being aimed for. The official release will not be planned until we have received enough feedback from the Beta phase.

[Tailfeathers]

I don't think there's a definite date for the release. Early june is just the beta, btw.

And yes, skins should work as far as I am aware.

[BootsSiR]

Has this already been answered? If so sorry.

Will we be able to go from 3.0.6 to 3.5.0 ? or do I have to upgrade to 3.0.7. I have all the security holes patched but I've put off the update to 3.0.7 just because I was anticipating this very thing.

keep up the good work guys. The AJAX support is killer!

[daemon]

You should be able to go from 3.0.6 to 3.5.0. It's how it worked from 2.x to 3.x.

[Zachery]

daemon I don't think that has been said anywhere specificly (but correct me if I am wrong).

It really depends on how the upgrade script has changed and the database schema changes between 3.0.6 and 3.0.7

[daemon]

daemon I don't think that has been said anywhere specificly (but correct me if I am wrong).

It really depends on how the upgrade script has changed and the database schema changes between 3.0.6 and 3.0.7
I just changed my post to reflect that :).

[BootsSiR]

it's all good... worst case scenario is a quick upgrade to 3.0.7. It won't matter if it thrashes my hacks, as long as the db updates get done. I'll be starting from scratch with hacks by the looks of it :D

[Zachery]

Actually ;)

You need to be on 2.2.9 or higher, preferably the latest 2.3.5/6/7 (depending).

There were no schema changes on 2.2.9+ mostly file changes.

[oman]

hi when it be available in members area???????????

[Black_Widow]

Hello,
I was wondering if vBulletin 3.5.0 will integrate export.php cache system as discussed here:
- export.php syndication slows down server

Thanks