vBulletin Development Update Discussion

[RagingPenguin]

I think some of you missed my point. While some options are great for those that want them, and can afford them, I simply feel that a basic frill free version could also be offered at a lower cost. This would generate a lot more revenue for vB as more people would buy it. Think of it like selling 10 items at 100 bucks or 50 items at 30 bucks. If they were diligient about completely removing code, and fields, responsible, for the more advanced features in the main offering, 'hacking up' simply wouldn't be an issue. An encrypted solution wouldn't even be needed then. The point is: the more choice a company gives, the more wider thier market base, and henceforth, income increases.

[crash resistant]

actually. I like the way it is. 1 product, 1 price.. KISS

[Wayne Luke]

I think some of you missed my point. While some options are great for those that want them, and can afford them, I simply feel that a basic frill free version could also be offered at a lower cost. This would generate a lot more revenue for vB as more people would buy it. Think of it like selling 10 items at 100 bucks or 50 items at 30 bucks. If they were diligient about completely removing code, and fields, responsible, for the more advanced features in the main offering, 'hacking up' simply wouldn't be an issue. An encrypted solution wouldn't even be needed then. The point is: the more choice a company gives, the more wider thier market base, and henceforth, income increases.

We had discussed this with the change from vBulletin 2 to vBulletin 3. vBulletin 2 would have become the "no-frills" product and vBulletin 3 the "Professional" product. In the end the return on investment to maintain two code trees indefinately was not viable for us with the current company structure and resources available. Quite frankly, introducing a no-frills product at that time would have resulted in price increases across the board to pay for additional infrastructure needed by the company.

At this time there are no plans to release a no-frills product but instead we have chosen to make our flagship product infinitely customizable to suit everyone's needs. We fill this is the best place for our resources and development. In the future if need be, we will review this practice and make another decision.

[RagingPenguin]

I understand. Once PHP 5 becomes the norm on hosted servers, you may want to consider moving to a Model-View-Controller class oriented design, which would facilitate a single tree. Simply remove certain classes from the installation set and viola...second product.

[dsboyce8624]

Drool

[FreekBoy]

Cant Wait!!! :)

[Zachery]

I still doubt any rapid movement to php5 over 4 on shared hosting.

[Trigunflame]

I still doubt any rapid movement to php5 over 4 on shared hosting.

No reason not to.

[Zachery]

Alot of things that were written in the past break in php5, phpbb as of this momen't doesn't even run in php5.

vBulletin had a few issues in earlier versions that made it break with php5.

alot of hackers haven't written there hacks for php5.

The world is not php5 compliant.

[Dark_Wizard]

No reason not to.

I agree with Zachery...myself and Natch have converted our stuff over to PHP5 as the dedicated servers we own are all on PHP 5.0.3 and some of our customer base is there as well.

As for this new announcement...you guys at Jelsoft are impressive...this will surely rock the forum world, I can't wait. Floris...nice video ;)

[Zachery]

I think I will end up having php5 as an option in a few months with .php5 as its extension instead of making php5 default.

[Dark_Wizard]

I think I will end up having php5 as an option in a few months with .php5 as its extension instead of making php5 default.

Why not make it default?

[Zachery]

The world is not php5 complaint yet ;p I don't see any huge raipid movement right now.

[Nukey]

Some very nice looking features there!

[Tailfeathers]

actually. I like the way it is. 1 product, 1 price.. KISS
I agree with this completely, and am glad that Jelsoft chose against changing this.

[Trigunflame]

Anything created in php4 that is "Decently" coded in stadardized format is php 5 compatable.

I've ran all my scripts from php4 > php5 and had absolutely no problems with anything. And yes that includes any and all OOP programming.

Stupid practices result in crappy results. If your coding does not work with php 5, you not to re-think how you code.

ps. I run php 5.0.4 on over 15 servers I administrate.

[feldon23]

I am always amazed at people who are like "let's dump all support for last year's technology". It's already been stated that major software does not work with PHP5, so you won't see widespread use of PHP5 for 2-3 years.

[TommyBALL]

Alot of things that were written in the past break in php5, phpbb as of this momen't doesn't even run in php5.You sure about that Zac? I've run my phpBB on PHP 5 for several months flawlessly? Am I doing somthing wrong? :D

Oh, and a big bump for exciting news on the upcoming vB 3.5!

[jluerken]

The feature list of 3.5 sounds very cool but I've one more question.

Currently you can assign moderators to a forum but I am missing the functionality to assign a group as moderator of a forum.
Having 5 persons as mod for a forum means to add them now one by one.

If you have a forum where a special group should be mod of it would be enough to enter the group as moderator.

This will help a lot and it a well known feature of phpbb.

It would be nice to see this in vBulletin 3.5 cause it helps a lot to manage big communities.

Thanks in advance
jluerken

[YoungCoder]

You probably have thought of this, but just to make sure as it is a pretty neat feature, will you be using AJAX to make post counts, and thread counts on the forum home go up in real-time as people post?

[Floris]

I believe AJAX can be used for your action(s), not for others. So I am not sure if it is possible.

[vbcore]

You probably have thought of this, but just to make sure as it is a pretty neat feature, will you be using AJAX to make post counts, and thread counts on the forum home go up in real-time as people post?

That would be sweet :D

[feldon23]

That would be sweet :D
Just have to figure out how to do that without adding a billion queries.

[Wayne Luke]

You probably have thought of this, but just to make sure as it is a pretty neat feature, will you be using AJAX to make post counts, and thread counts on the forum home go up in real-time as people post?
Doesn't really seem like a good use of resources.

[Onimua]

Doesn't really seem like a good use of resources.

Yes, but if we choose to make it this way, could it be done?

Which I also wish to know: Would it be easy to implement AJAX into anything? How difficult would it be to use AJAX in custom codes?

[Wayne Luke]

Yes, but if we choose to make it this way, could it be done?

Probably if you know PHP and Javascript programming, I would say it could be done.
Which I also wish to know: Would it be easy to implement AJAX into anything? How difficult would it be to use AJAX in custom codes?

Don't have an answer for this because I am not a developer.

[Chris Stewart]

How much of the Ajax methodology is being integrated into vB? I use this design quite extensively at work and love it. You all could do so much with it, like loading a thread or forumdisplay through HttpXmlRequest. That would save some of the header/footer queries, and just give a smoother feel when using a forum.

[Webnower]

I'm looking forward to the Alpha demonstration ;) *nudge nudge*

[bfoot045]

Yes, but if we choose to make it this way, could it be done?

Which I also wish to know: Would it be easy to implement AJAX into anything? How difficult would it be to use AJAX in custom codes?

Making the user's post count go up as they posted, exactly when they did so would take an enormous amount of server resources, you could have it update every 15 minutes or so, but that takes away from the point.

AJAX I am guessing would be very easy to implement, but the functions to do so would seem to be a little more advanced(meaning you need to know some javascript) :D

What I would think would be cool, would be AJAX PMs, it notifies you that you have a PM without reloading the page, and forum statistics updating, or when new posts are made in a forum, the forum_new.gif would load and the new post would appear in the last post cat. ;)

[feldon23]

CONJECTURE BASED ON LIMITED KNOWLEDGE OF AJAX:

I think people are not understanding exactly what AJAX is. To my knowledge, AJAX is tying a piece of 'live' javascript to an existing widget on a website (DIV tag, FORM element, etc.). Under the right circumstances, that javascript will request XML/HTML/PHP content from the server for processing and insertion into the page.

In other words, vBulletin doesn't "support AJAX" or use any kind of AJAX "library". Instead, a couple of widgets which we are already familiar with have been amended to have more functionality using AJAX.

I don't think there's any reason why vB3 or vB2 didn't use AJAX except that nobody thought of it or tried it. AJAX is difficult to write and even more difficult to write well. In its simplest form, think of it as being able to insert a frameset anywhere you want and tell the frames to do whatever you want including loading different or additional concent. It takes a lot of thinking to really take advantage of AJAX beyond this simple example.

I don't think there is something inherently special about vB3.5 that opens the door to AJAX use.

[Wayne Luke]

It should be noted that AJAX also requires getting information from the server. To update lightbulbs, postcounts, forum statistics and the like each will require contact to the server, queries to be run and information sent back to the page which is then updated by HTML. IN order to do these automatic update things you would be required to hit the server rapidly (like every second) for every user. This is where the resource usage comes in. Large sites will quickly become unusable due to these monitoring functions which aren't needed anyway because the information is updated every page load anyway.

[feldon23]

Is there some kind of AJAX response engine built into vB3.5, or is the javascript loading up showthread.php?do=ajax&widget=14323&query=A9F4190853232341239865... and expecting an XML response?

[Wayne Luke]

Is there some kind of AJAX response engine built into vB3.5, or is the javascript loading up showthread.php?do=ajax&widget=14323&query=A9F4190853232341239865... and expecting an XML response?

Wouldn't be able to tell you... Haven't personally seen the 3.5 code yet. Just the end result in the development. I would guess though that specific routines were built for it to work most likely using the data managers and Javascript.

[Bill Noble]

It does exactly what it says on the box!

By far the best in its class!

Congratulations!!

[Freddie Bingham]

Is there some kind of AJAX response engine built into vB3.5, or is the javascript loading up showthread.php?do=ajax&widget=14323&query=A9F4190853232341239865... and expecting an XML response?
There is a .php file that is called by the Ajax javascript routines. This file simply returns some data that the Ajax javascript then uses to update the display. Calling this file is the same as loading a forum page since global.php is required to validate permissions. That should tell you that you would not want to do something that was hitting the server often.

[Sownman]

The plugin's sound great. How about a built in spell check ?


Steve

[Cowboysfan]

When are we gonna get to start seeing the new version here on this forum?

Not complaining, just anxious. :)

[Tailfeathers]

The plugin's sound great. How about a built in spell check ?


Steve
Hehe, a built in spell checker would be so great. Such a basic feature yet really good to have on a board.

[coloradok5]

Individual threads are considered read only if you have actually read them. Also, as soon as you have read all threads in a forum, it's light bulb will go out; no need to visit the forum list!

What would be better than a light bulb after a forum would be a display of the number of unread posts. This is the one thing I miss about the old UBBT.

Example:

Cool forum (34)
Another cool forum (12)

[ManagerJosh]

What would be better than a light bulb after a forum would be a display of the number of unread posts.
a candle? :D

[Floris]

The feature list of 3.5 sounds very cool but I've one more question.

Currently you can assign moderators to a forum but I am missing the functionality to assign a group as moderator of a forum.
Having 5 persons as mod for a forum means to add them now one by one.

If you have a forum where a special group should be mod of it would be enough to enter the group as moderator.

This will help a lot and it a well known feature of phpbb.

It would be nice to see this in vBulletin 3.5 cause it helps a lot to manage big communities.

Thanks in advance
jluerken
That would be a feature I would like to see, as it is not on the feature list, I dont think it is in it - if it is, yay! .. matter of waiting, just like everybody else.

[Mr. Brian]

Sitting back, holding my breath tight and waiting for the month of June..

[lightbox]

Great stuff, folks.

But still missing is some management of syntax highlighting
for other languages than PHP.

Suggestion:
Let's talk about vBCodes like [ActionScript], [Java], [C#], etc.
There should be a solution to highlight these kinds of text.
How about delivering the right JavaScript-Highlighter for a
code-block based on usage of these vBCodes?

So what I'm talking about is some kind of client-side syntax highlighting
based on server-side recognition and delivery.

Any other working solutions strongly appreciated, of course.
Syntax highlighting and line numbering is so important an I'm
sure there must be a good solution which could get part of
vBulletin.

Question:
Are there any thoughts of implementing such kind of stuff into vB 3.5?

Martin

[Floris]

I wouldn't mind viewing a few more syntax highlighting bbcodes, and the option to use alternative rows and line numbers for php or other code. (example: pastebin)

[golfer adam]

I can't wait for this release as when I buy my licence soon it will probably be the current version. The features sound great I didn't think it was possible for vbulletin to get much better but as you have proved to me there is always room for improvment.

[Floris]

I can't wait for this release as when I buy my licence soon it will probably be the current version. The features sound great I didn't think it was possible for vbulletin to get much better but as you have proved to me there is always room for improvment.
Thank you for the interest in the vBulletin forum software and I am looking forward to your purchase. 3.0.7 is already very good, but 3.5 will be a bit better :)

[golfer adam]

Thank you for the interest in the vBulletin forum software and I am looking forward to your purchase. 3.0.7 is already very good, but 3.5 will be a bit better :)

Thank you there are only a couple of things holding me back well at the minute I have big exams so don't really have the time, also the money is holding me back a little there is so much stuff I want also enterting in some golf tournments his year is over £50, aprat from that I can't wait to the purchase myself, and I hope to build a strong community.

[Floris]

vBulletin isn't going anywhere, so take your time and save up some money and I guess we will see you soon enough. :)

[Dean C]

a candle? :D

LOL sorry, I just had to say you made me laugh (quite literally) out loud in the middle of my college library ;)

[feldon23]

Either a built-in spellcheck or one that isn't a kludge. Unless I am misreading the situation, both spelling hacks on vB.org have snafus.

[Antivirus]

Looking forward to the plugin features, it's sooooo much work reinstalling hacks with every upgrade. This in of itself is going to make all our lives much easier.
thank you thank you thank you!

[fire27]

Either a built-in spellcheck or one that isn't a kludge. Unless I am misreading the situation, both spelling hacks on vB.org have snafus.
all spell checkers have snafu's. i dont know any checker that has an exhaustive dictionary in them. words like colour/color, shown/shewn, old/ole + many more. the spell check may flag stuff that shouldnt be flagged and whatnot. i'd hate to have a 500+meg dictionary file because the rules in uk/us are different(slightly)

[Tailfeathers]

Anything would be better than nothing though. We have one (American English) and while we've had to add some words and has a few problems (marks all words with apostrophes as wrong), it's really good and helpful overall.

[Snowy]

Well it all looks great and the hack plugin thing sounds very promising indeed.

[john1744]

Wait, what vids and stuff? Where is all this info? Link please?

[daemon]

Wait, what vids and stuff? Where is all this info? Link please?
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138544

[whitetigergrowl]

Wait, what vids and stuff? Where is all this info? Link please?

look in the forum above this one. The ANNOUNCEMENTS forum.:rolleyes:

[Neutral Singh]

Today its 10th day since the annoucement and i thought the beta would go public in a week... :(

[daemon]

Today its 10th day since the annoucement and i thought the beta would go public in a week... :(
The announcement didn't say in a week, it said next week. There's always tomorrow. Plus it was an educated estimate/scheduled date and things change, so we may not see it until next week even.

[MJM]

They said NEXT WEEK.
2 more days waiting left, unless a decision is made to announce a delay.
Which will be ok. We know they're slogging away doing their utmost to provide us with all the frills!

Mark

[Webnower]

I'm excited to see this too! I'm working on a retro gaming site and I have to use PHPbb for a while before I'm able to purchase another vBulletin liscence, but I'm still going to sit here and dream about what I'll be able to do with it when the time comes :D

[goran69]

Its a nice demo Floris cant wait to have it. Tachy goes ...thing now working ???

[Floris]

Its a nice demo Floris cant wait to have it. Tachy goes ...thing now working ???
The less days left in a week, the sooner it will be here :) And if it gets a bit of a delay, the more stable the public downloadable demo will be. The 'next week' is an estimated time of course, you can't look into the future and know when all known bugs are fixed or all known features are not giving problems. Estimated times are flexible. It could have been ready yesterday or 5 days ago, it can be Sunday or Tuesday. That's just how things are, at least we know it will be before June, and hopefully we'll make it early June with the download.

Please everybody, be patient and await it while your online community runs stable with 3.0.7 :)

[BoYagoob]

we will release vBulletin 3.5 to public beta by early June.

Can any body explain to me, what is ment by: "public beta" ?
Does it mean, it is just for testing, and there will be another 3.5.0 to be used?

[Tailfeathers]

It means that people will be able to download a beta version of 3.5 in early June to use on their boards at their own risk (as a beta will have bugs). After all the bugs are caught in beta, a stable, final version of 3.5 will be released.

[Wayne Luke]

Can any body explain to me, what is ment by: "public beta" ?
Does it mean, it is just for testing, and there will be another 3.5.0 to be used?
Yes, the beta is a pre-release version of vBulletin 3.5. We do not recommend it being used on live boards and there will be no official support for the beta as is standard policy.

[BoYagoob]

Thanks alot .. :)

So,

1- Is it better not upgrade untill every bugs are fixed ?

2- If I upgrade to 3.5.0 Beta .. and then vBulletin.com released a stable 3.5.0, can I upgrade my forum to this final version ?

3- How long does it take vBulletin in order to release this final version 3.5.0 ?

Regards ..

[Wayne Luke]

1. Upgrade a testbed not your live forum.

2. Yes.

3. Really depends on what is found during the beta process.

[BoYagoob]

Many thanks Mr. Wayne Luke ..

you really answered to very important questions for me ..

Thanks a gain .. :)

[catocom]

11+7=18
And Kier said 'next week', which doesn't mean 'in 7 days from now'.
Yes, I hope tonight, or tomorrow, perhaps Saturday or Friday. When it is stable enough for a beta ;)
Are we any close to getting a more accurate day now...maybe. *wrings hands*

[Milado]

I have php 4,3,9 & MySQL 4,0,22 standard
Will the new version work smoothly?
OR
Is there any feature that will not work in this case?

[Zachery]

miladkk, if you need support please go into the members are and entered the email you used here.

If this is a presales question please ask in the presales forum.

[Ace]

Are we any close to getting a more accurate day now...maybe. *wrings hands*
Really, why can't people just wait and see it when it happens?

It's not like continual pestering EVER works to speed up a coding process.

Impatience is not good, Grasshoppers.

[feldon23]

I am the release date police. Hear me roar!

[Tailfeathers]

Constant pestering about a release date was the exact thing that kept Jelsoft from giving us any information for all this time. They finally did, but doing this all over again will just make them regret their decision and not want to do this again... have some patience! It will come very soon I'm sure.

[HappyPike]

I can wait. It's not like Jelsoft will make all of us a moderator for a few minutes to try out the inline moderation. :D

[Onimua]

I can wait. It's not like Jelsoft will make all of us a moderator for a few minutes to try out the inline moderation. :D

It'd be fun to test out in a customer-only test forum or something similar. :p

[catocom]

Really, why can't people just wait and see it when it happens?

It's not like continual pestering EVER works to speed up a coding process.

Impatience is not good, Grasshoppers.
Normally I would just wait, but I'm on day 4 of quitting smoking
and I'm a little on edge, OK! :D

BTW if it was pestering, only the person it's offending can make the
decision to let it offend or not. ;)

[Webnower]

This may have already been asked, but I haven't seen it.

How difficult will it be to integrate Mambo and vBulletin in the new version (you mentioned something about 3rd party software and data management in the announcement) compared to the steps you'd have to take to do it with 3.0.7?

[Steve Machol]

You'd really have to ask the folks at Mambo. However I don't think anyone will really know until the code is released.

[Ranma2k]

well i still want to know if there going to be documentation for the plugins .. ?
it would be very helpfull to developers to creat hacks and pluginscripts for vB

[Floris]

well i still want to know if there going to be documentation for the plugins .. ?
it would be very helpfull to developers to creat hacks and pluginscripts for vB
Yes, the plugin system is getting documentation - that's what I understand from some of he posts in this thread frlom other staff.

[John Miller]

A good solution for nice documentation will be always helpful to end-users, specially beginners :)

Thanks Vbulletin for working on this.

[Neutral Singh]

Another question on AJAX... would it be possible to edit the profiles of members simply by going to their profile page and double clicking on a field, editing information and pressing enter ... and thats it!! :cool:

[Mephisteus]

Another question on AJAX... would it be possible to edit the profiles of members simply by going to their profile page and double clicking on a field, editing information and pressing enter ... and thats it!! :cool:
Im going to be looking into that to manage the assignments of clan members from the listing page :) Should be good :)

[PamelaE]

This may have already been asked, but I haven't seen it.

How difficult will it be to integrate Mambo and vBulletin in the new version (you mentioned something about 3rd party software and data management in the announcement) compared to the steps you'd have to take to do it with 3.0.7?

Mambo is already buggy with the current VB so it can only improve in my opinion.

[PamelaE]

It means that people will be able to download a beta version of 3.5 in early June to use on their boards at their own risk (as a beta will have bugs). After all the bugs are caught in beta, a stable, final version of 3.5 will be released.

As stated dont use BETA on a live site, I was once a BETA tester with infopop moons ago and stupidly had to test beta as live and cripled my community. It was months before the stable version was released. I wont be making that mistake again :D

[squall14716]

vB Betas are pretty stable. :p

[FASherman]

vB Betas are pretty stable. :p

No, they haven't been. RC's have been, but not betas. Only a fool would run upcoming this beta on a live site.

[FASherman]

Rumor has it that the release of Vb3.5 has been delayed. I hope no one is hanging around their computer waiting for it.

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showpost.php?p=655253&postcount=12

[Dean C]

Rumor has it that the release of Vb3.5 has been delayed. I hope no one is hanging around their computer waiting for it.

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showpost.php?p=655253&postcount=12

That statement was a joke, and made by someone who is not any part of the vBulletin staff :)

[FASherman]

That statement was a joke, and made by someone who is not any part of the vBulletin staff :)

It was NOT a joke and it WAS meant quite seriously. Who are you to tell me what I meant? :mad:

Today is the last day of "next week". Its not uncommon for folks to hang around their computers waiting on a release they think will happen in the next few hours.

I merely referenced someone else who apparently knows more that I do who stated that the release will be delayed.

Since all the fact appear to be on my side, I'd really like to know where you get off deciding I was joking?

[Dean C]

I was talking about what Mr.Nase said. I wasn't saying your statement was a joke...

[FASherman]

Then I sincerely apologize for overreacting. I'm suffering through a pretty severe case of bronchitis and I'm more than a little cranky right now.

Still no excuse. Once again, I apologize.

[Dean C]

Then I sincerely apologize for overreacting. I'm suffering through a pretty severe case of bronchitis and I'm more than a little cranky right now.

Still no excuse. Once again, I apologize.

Hehe no problem ;) Get better soon buddy!

[MrNase]

I was talking about what Mr.Nase said. I wasn't saying your statement was a joke...

My statement was a joke indeed :D

How should I know vB 3.5 is delayed.. Iam not part of the team :rolleyes:

[Dean C]

My statement was a joke indeed :D

How should I know vB 3.5 is delayed.. Iam not part of the team :rolleyes:

Well Manchester United lost the FA Cup final. We need at least a week of national mourning over here :(

[Floris]

No, they haven't been. RC's have been, but not betas. Only a fool would run upcoming this beta on a live site.

Call me a fool, because I've run every beta and rc and whatever they've released on my live sites without problems. No performance issues and such.

[Floris]

Rumor has it that the release of Vb3.5 has been delayed. I hope no one is hanging around their computer waiting for it.

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showpost.php?p=655253&postcount=12

MrNase isn't staff, so not a reliable source.

[MrNase]

Well Manchester United lost the FA Cup final. We need at least a week of national mourning over here :(

And only because a german goalkeeper did what he was paid for :D
(We are getting off-topic ;))

Floris: Iam not..? :eek: Guess why it was meant to be a joke related to the mass of AJAX which is available for vB 3.* :) Even if I would be on the team I wouldn't say vB 3.5 is delayed.. Iam not insane because I know what my statement would cause then :D

[Freddie Bingham]

Another question on AJAX... would it be possible to edit the profiles of members simply by going to their profile page and double clicking on a field, editing information and pressing enter ... and thats it!! :cool:
It would be a natural progression for pages such as this to receive a bit of Ajax support in the future.

[MrNase]

It would be a natural progression for pages such as this to receive a bit of Ajax support in the future.


Do you have a list of places where AJAX comes into action or do you add AJAX to the places we'd like to see it?

If so, is this list available somewhere? I really would like to see how AJAX will influence the usage on my forums :)

[Mephisteus]

Yay 3.5 :)

[Floris]

Yay 3.5 :)
Nice job Kier, Freddie, Scott, Mike, etc :)

[Chroder]

Nice :D

Is it just me or are things going vvveeery fast? :D

[goran69]

Hey 3.5 yeahhhhhhhhhhh

[nakile]

Weeee! :p

3.5!

*looks around*

[bfoot045]

Well, we are in 3.5 now. :D

[Floris]

Nice :D

Is it just me or are things going vvveeery fast? :D

Yes, the 3.5 pages load very fast for me too. Instantly .. nearly.

[goran69]

yep definitely very fast :D

[Chroder]

Yeah, I love it :D

The last activity in user profiles seems to be broken though.

[Blaminator]

o_O Brilliant

[cirisme]

Yes, the 3.5 pages load very fast for me too. Instantly .. nearly.
yea, it's pretty darn fast.

[0ptima]

Kewl!!

[Floris]

Yeah, I love it :D

The last activity in user profiles seems to be broken though.
Thank you for reporting, refresh the page to make sure it isn't old javascript; I've informed Mike.

But please use the bug tracker :)

[0ptima]

Its definetly faster than before!

[Blaminator]

when you look at the right to left view, showthread, the thread pages navigation are messed up, and so are the forum descriptions, and it sharder to click links :/

[Mephisteus]

Like, wickedly fast

[Chroder]

Thank you for reporting, refresh the page to make sure it isn't old javascript; I've informed Mike.

But please use the bug tracker :)
there (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/bugs35.php?do=view&bugid=2) ;)

[Floris]

when you look at the right to left view, showthread, the thread pages navigation are messed up, and so are the forum descriptions, and it sharder to click links :/
Please note the alternative languages were testing from older versions. I am sure if you restore to just english things are ok again.

[Rocol]

Wow, looks great guys, nice work ... and as said, it definately seems a lot faster :cool:

[Ogden2k]

Can someone explain to me the new Mark Read system? I'm a little slow tonight... :|

edit: Wow, post is much faster!

[Tailfeathers]

:D

I noticed the speed increase too... is this just a coincidence for some reason or are there things in 3.5 that do indeed make things load a lot faster?

[Kier]

Cleaner code... :)

[Lenni]

Can someone explain to me the new Mark Read system? I'm a little slow tonight... :|

edit: Wow, post is much faster!
well, it is working now. a read post or thread is no longer marked as unread.
and when quoting a post with quick reply, it tells you the message is too short even if 3 or more characters were entered. a bug?

[Zachery]

Can someone explain to me the new Mark Read system? I'm a little slow tonight... :|

edit: Wow, post is much faster!
The post is not marked read, untill you read it. or x ammount of time passes.

[Mike Sullivan]

The post is not marked read, untill you read it. or x ammount of time passes.X is 10 days by default, settable by the admin.

[Ogden2k]

The post is not marked read, untill you read it. or x ammount of time passes.
So, if user1 logs on @ 1PM and does not read all of the new posts, logs out and logs back in @ 3PM the old posts that he did not read @1 are still marked as new?

[Chroder]

Where are the marked posts stored? If a board has thousands of active members, won't all these saved "read" posts be a resource hog? Or would the admin go back to the old way, in that case?

[Tailfeathers]

Thanks Kier, that's great. :)

One other quick thing. It's not a problem or bug but is it really good to have the signature already previewed when you hit Edit Signature? While this is neat, I think it's better like it was before (having to hit Preview Signature first before having to see it), because if someone made some JavaScript error or something that might hide the page from that point downward, they won't be able to fix it like they would before.

Now, if I am just being stupid and JS isn't allowed even if you have HTML on, feel free to ignore me. :p

[TCM]

Wow. This is nice!

Great job! I can't wait for this to become available!

[Floris]

well, it is working now. a read post or thread is no longer marked as unread.
and when quoting a post with quick reply, it tells you the message is too short even if 3 or more characters were entered. a bug?
This could be old code, hard refresh first - like mentioned in the announcement - it works here.

[Blaminator]

edit - nevermind

[nakile]

Is there some kind of demo we can go to to try out the 3.5 mod and admin features? :confused:

[Floris]

Thanks Kier, that's great. :)

One other quick thing. It's not a problem or bug but is it really good to have the signature already previewed when you hit Edit Signature? While this is neat, I think it's better like it was before (having to hit Preview Signature first before having to see it), because if someone made some JavaScript error or something that might hide the page from that point downward, they won't be able to fix it like they would before.

Now, if I am just being stupid and JS isn't allowed even if you have HTML on, feel free to ignore me. :p


Personally I really like it that there's a preview :)

[Kier]

Not yet, no.

Once the code has proved itself running here for a while we will release the code as a beta for all customers to play with.

[Floris]

Is there some kind of demo we can go to to try out the 3.5 mod and admin features? :confused:

I am afraid you just have to wait patiently for it to become downloadable. And when it is stable the admin demo will probably get an update too.

[Mephisteus]

Not yet, no.

Once the code has proved itself running here for a while we will release the code as a beta for all customers to play with.
Been up 30min. Looks proven to me :)

[Ace]

Did it alter members' Subscription preferences?

I have 23 new post notifications for this thread...

[Floris]

Been up 30min. Looks proven to me :)
Whiner! :P :P :D

[Floris]

Excellent video Floris, it certainly is better than reading about it ;)
That video shows the basics of what is possible with AJAX and Inline Moderation and vBulletin. But glad you liked it.

[sebe]

any info on the topic read/unread functionality? would like to know a bit how it works and if there is any performance issues by using it.

also.. it would be nice if there was another type of marking system.. like a different icon showing you read the thread but it has new post.. kind of like an "updated" marking where you know you've read the thread already, but also know it has had new post since you last saw it.

[sabret00the]

what new end-user options are there?

[Rocol]

Excellent video Floris, it saves a lot of reading time :D

[weirdpixels]

looking good and lots faster like others have said :)

[Floris]

what new end-user options are there?
They're listed in the announcement.

[squall14716]

It's going fairly slow for me, but then again, so is everything else, so I guess I can't properly gauge any speed increase. ;)

[sabret00the]

They're listed in the announcement.i thought only a few were?

[Webnower]

So far the site doesn't seem to be loading any faster, nor does it seem to be loading any slower ;)

The only real cool thing I've come across so far is this AJAX quick reply thing -- I LOVE IT. Good work you guys!

[RagingPenguin]

Question on AJAX quick reply.....

I just tested it in the testing place and I like the way it shows up immediately. My question is this:

Is the js communication two way? Will it pick up other posts made between the time I loaded the page and made my reply?

[Webnower]

I was wondering that too... Like what happens if 2 or 3 people post in between the time you load the page and make your post?

[Floris]

Question on AJAX quick reply.....

I just tested it in the testing place and I like the way it shows up immediately. My question is this:

Is the js communication two way? Will it pick up other posts made between the time I loaded the page and made my reply?
To be honest, I don't know; but don't think that it does.

[RagingPenguin]

HA! I stumped him. :) Well it's nice but if it doesn't have the same effect as a refresh I think I'd leave it off.

[weirdpixels]

I was wondering that too... Like what happens if 2 or 3 people post in between the time you load the page and make your post?
I don't actually think it does that, I posted using the quick reply, refreshed and there was a new post above me

[bfoot045]

Well, maybe we can have ajax that will put new user posts from other users while you are looking at the thread(Im guessing that would be quite complex) :)

Im having alot of fun with quick reply. ;)

[JulianD]

Very cool release! Congrats dev's!

[Tailfeathers]

So I see there are plenty of other goodies not listed in the post that are in this release... could that list be updated/made complete sometime? :) That'd be great.

[Floris]

Which one are missing?

[Janiv]

Looks great! I'm excited to try it out on my forums when it goes live! Thanks for the hard work.

[Kier]

We're back! We managed to mess up our Apache config badly and had to reboot the server...

Normal service has now been resumed :)

[daemon]

We're back! We managed to mess up our Apache config badly and had to reboot the server...

Normal service has now been resumed :)
Yay! I was going through withdraw without the site and vB 3.5!

[sweet22]

yeah vb 3.5 is out in beta:D

[Onimua]

W00ot! I am happy now! :D

[Tailfeathers]

Which one are missing?
I think...the automatic signature preview, clear messages in folder x, autofill, etc.

Not really features but also the clear button next to the birthday, textarea instead of inputbox on the pm page, etc.

[MaviJean]

Congratulations Jelsoft!

Great news and updates! With all these integration support, vBulletin will the best choice for the sites who need integration with several types of program.

Also plugins and hooks will help all the modified vB owners to update their boards easily/faster than ever. Which will stop most of the security troubles because of late updates.

I am interested in an official language translation board which can be provided by Jelsoft. This will help vB community and we will have "complete" + "correct" translation packages.

We hope, we can help you to find bugs, optimize the code for best result. We aren't in rush, we already have the best solution in this category.

One more time the "Forum Software" definition changed but "the best" still same.

Thanks

[Cap'n Steve]

Hear that? That's the sound of all hack development screeching to a halt for the next month or so.

Oh well, when it resumes it'll be better than ever. Is there any chance you'll release the documentation to the general public once Beta starts so us poor coders who won't be able to renew our licenses for a while can get started converting our hacks?

EDIT: Aaaah, the post count of the beast!

[RMS-Chef]

Oh well, when it resumes it'll be better than ever.
I am interested in seeing how well the system works with new hacks.

[tyfoon1]

It is working well , when the beta is out I will test it right away on my forum a well visited site.

I hope that the dutch language file will be downloadable too , because the whole site is in dutch.

[space_vb3]

Wow, we should all brag to those poor IPB'ers.

LOL,

Can't wait. :)

Great Job to the development team. ;)

good luck :)

with my best wishes

space_vb3

[AzhriaLilu]

*applauds enthusiastically* You guys are the best! If there was a *smooch* emoticon I'd be using it for you all.. so consider yourselves all thoroughly kissed :D ( the Jelsoft team, that is ;) )

[sabret00the]

I'll ask again since i never got answered last time except when told that we were already told when we were clearly not (i just noticed the pm auto-complete username feature).

will a full list of end-user changes/new features be made available any time soon?

[Floris]

I think...the automatic signature preview, clear messages in folder x, autofill, etc.

Not really features but also the clear button next to the birthday, textarea instead of inputbox on the pm page, etc.

You found a few good features, I am suprised not many posted these at the same time :) The autofill is a cool one huh! :)

[Scott MacVicar]

Well there is a legacy mode that you can use to possibly get old hacks working, we're using it in the bug tracker at the moment.

[Blaminator]

Wooo, give us a list of things so we dont have to look for them ;D

[Electronic Punk]

Still playing with it all :)

[PitchouneN64ngc]

What will be the first vB 3.5 release, beta1 or like vB 3.0, beta 3?

[Floris]

As this is called 3.5.0 public preview, I think it could just be 'beta' or 'beta 1'.

[Rasbelin]

I am interested in an official language translation board which can be provided by Jelsoft. This will help vB community and we will have "complete" + "correct" translation packages.

This isn't enough?

http://www.vbulletin-language.com/

Discussion on some specific langauge versions can be found on respective sites, such as vBulletin-fr.

[oman]

Great Job and nice works ...

i have some quary abute language file..

i want just to make sure if the vbulletin-language.xml file will be
modified like 3.0.7 with additional features
or will be changed compeletly.
i would like to be informed if there is any modification
or additional features , i mean the phrases
that will be modified and additional phrases.
And where the additional phrase command will be added.

thanx

[PitchouneN64ngc]

As this is called 3.5.0 public preview, I think it could just be 'beta' or 'beta 1'.
I think beta 1, i don't think there is vB 3.5 RC just after :p

Thank you for your reply :)

[PitchouneN64ngc]

Great Job and nice works ...

i have some quary abute language file..

i want just to make sure if the vbulletin-language.xml file will be
modified like 3.0.7 with additional features
or will be changed compeletly.
i would like to be informed if there is any modification
or additional features , i mean the phrases
that will be modified and additional phrases.
And where the additional phrase command will be added.

thanx I think there is some new phrases, but the syntax will be the same :)

A dev can reply with more informations than me ;)

[oman]

can tell us where the additional phrase command will be added in phrase type

[scotsmist]

Well there is a legacy mode that you can use to possibly get old hacks working, we're using it in the bug tracker at the moment.

could you elaborate more on this please ?

[MrNase]

Is this preview a 'final' in terms of features?
If not in which state is this version?
Can we expect more frontend changes?
Is the backend already finished and working?

[AlexanderT]

Nothing much to 'preview' for us, I'd say, unless you are a vb.com moderator and can take advantage of the new features of which most are "under the hood."

[MissKalunji]

Well there is a legacy mode that you can use to possibly get old hacks working, we're using it in the bug tracker at the moment.

ahhh great!!!!!!!!!!! that means theres a possibilities to be able to use hacks that were build for 3.0.7 still? ( i dont see how u guys did this) but you guys are great!!!! i was worried about that

[Ankit]

You have no idea how happy AJAX support makes me.

[Scott MacVicar]

Well legacy mode just fills up all the old arrays and create aliases to some of the objects. Its probably bad for performance and you'd be better using the new plugin system to add the new code.

[Scott MacVicar]

Most of the changes are indeed under the hood with very little new things for the end user.

[MissKalunji]

when is this coming out? i cant wait to est it :D im glad i bought vb worth every single penny!

[PitchouneN64ngc]

when is this coming out? i cant wait to est it :D im glad i bought vb worth every single penny!
Like the announce says, early June :)

[Mike Sullivan]

Well legacy mode just fills up all the old arrays and create aliases to some of the objects. Its probably bad for performance and you'd be better using the new plugin system to add the new code.
There are still plenty of changes that function doesn't include yet like some of the defines.

Right now, the function just maps the new variables to the old variables.

[zetetic]

Exciting news! :)

[Rasbelin]

Like the announce says, early June

However stable vB 3.5 won't happen until late this year (see what Kier posted). So not really current for me and many others as won't roll out any service with 3.5 until it's stable.

[oman]

and what's about language

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showpost.php?p=870268&postcount=679

[feldon23]

I would be shocked if the language file is a "start over".

[FASherman]

I can't imagine why anyone would want to use legacy mode and Vb3.0.X hacks. That defeats the purpose of the plugin system. Better just to wait for new 3.5 compatable hacks..errr...plugins... to be developed.

That is correct, isn't it? Future mods would rightly be plugins, no longer hacks. Wouldn't that also mean they'd be downloadable instead of the currect system of "find this, replace this; etc"?

[zetetic]

However stable vB 3.5 won't happen until late this year (see what Kier posted). So not really current for me and many others as won't roll out any service with 3.5 until it's stable.
Where did Kier say stable 3.5 won't happen until late this year? In the official announcement he only mentions it going into public beta in June, he doesn't speculate on when it will be deemed stable. Did he say that somewhere else?

[Kier]

Once we release a public beta we will be (for the most part) feature-locked, resulting in what I hope to be a much shorter beta period than that which we had for the release of 3.0.0.

[PitchouneN64ngc]

Once we release a public beta we will be (for the most part) feature-locked, resulting in what I hope to be a much shorter beta period than that which we had for the release of 3.0.0.
So, we can hope vB 3.5 'Gold' will be release before 2006 ;)

[feldon23]

I can't imagine why anyone would want to use legacy mode and Vb3.0.X hacks. That defeats the purpose of the plugin system. Better just to wait for new 3.5 compatable hacks..errr...plugins... to be developed. Unsupported large hacks with no clear migration path?
I am surprised that they included this legacy support though. I figure someone should stick with 3.0.7, which is stable, well-tested code, until all their hacks are converted over to work with 3.5.

That is correct, isn't it? Future mods would rightly be plugins, no longer hacks. Wouldn't that also mean they'd be downloadable instead of the currect system of "find this, replace this; etc"? That's the hope.

[Zachery]

Not all hacks will be able to go en route of the plugin system, some hacks require changing the way vBulletin does things, this will still require modification of the code

[hollyboy]

what are the changes of vb 3.5 on the users side?
I don't see any differences for now...

[daemon]

what are the changes of vb 3.5 on the users side?
I don't see any differences for now...
Persistent mark read system (log in and then log out and it'll remember what is read and what isn't), instant reply (use quick reply and the post will show up without reloading the page), edit your own thread titles inline, PM recipients and search by username auto-complete, the [attach] BBCode, the [noparse] BBCode, and a slight speed increase.

[Pyrix]

Very cool :)

[Flexo]

If I exclude the quick reply feature, this will also exclude the instant reply, right?
Just asking because page impressions mean money ;)

[hollyboy]

Persistent mark read system (log in and then log out and it'll remember what is read and what isn't), instant reply (use quick reply and the post will show up without reloading the page), edit your own thread titles inline, PM recipients and search by username auto-complete, the [attach] BBCode, the [noparse] BBCode, and a slight speed increase.
sounds great ;) and it seems that some bandwidth will be saved :)

[CreationNation]

I've been holding out on the fulltext hack for exactly this reason (official from VB). I run a large forum and have had search turned off for about 2 months (ugh!) and was told this full text searching should solve my problem (hope?)? The searches before would just stall out my forum.

[Tailfeathers]

You found a few good features, I am suprised not many posted these at the same time :) The autofill is a cool one huh! :)
Hehe. I know they're not major features or anything, but I'm a sucker for even the small little changes to a software that make them better. :p The autofill is very cool indeed. :)

It'd be nice to see an updated/complete list of all the changes/features in this release at some point (maybe when it goes beta?) as I'm sure there are plenty of other little changes I've missed as well.

Edit: the 'Active Members' at the bottom of forumhome is another one. :)

[Tailfeathers]

Is this preview a 'final' in terms of features?
If not in which state is this version?
Can we expect more frontend changes?
Is the backend already finished and working?
Well, in another post a staffer said that another AJAX feature that will be coming when the beta is released is the editing of actual posts by double clicking them, like with thread titles. He said he just didn't have time to get that in by the preview but it will be in by the beta release.

[Zachery]

Where is that post ?

[Tailfeathers]

That post was here:
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showpost.php?p=869545&postcount=17

[MrNase]

Well, in another post a staffer said that another AJAX feature that will be coming when the beta is released is the editing of actual posts by double clicking them, like with thread titles. He said he just didn't have time to get that in by the preview but it will be in by the beta release.


Yeah but I would like to see comments from the team :)

[Onimua]

Yeah but I would like to see comments from the team :)

It was from a team member, as the link shows in Tailfeathers' post. :p

[feldon23]

Not all hacks will be able to go en route of the plugin system, some hacks require changing the way vBulletin does things, this will still require modification of the code
Was waiting for that disclaimer. ;)

The next 6 months are going to be an exciting time for vB.org. It will be possible to do hacks that were simply too intensive to do before. I'm sure people have given up on writing hacks when the number of modifications necessary hit the stratosphere. And now every hack that should have an AdminCP presence will be able to without doubling the installation difficulty.

[James Kojiro]

This is a preview copy of 3.5? GIVE ME YOUR BLOOD, ER, I MEAN SOURCE CODE!

[catocom]

Cleaner code... :)
Way cool. It does seem very smooth. :)

[hjmaier]

It looks nice. i esp. like the new way to handle readmarkers.



Best regards

hj

[MrNase]

It was from a team member, as the link shows in Tailfeathers' post. :p

Well yeah :D

Ok, I want a team member to answer my questions ;)

[Breaker]

they have done, just before u asked them :P

[cirisme]

Question: if instant reply is used, but a new post is made after you've loaded the page, will the instant reply see the new post and add it, or will it just show the post you're making?

Edit: Nope (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?p=870830)

[daemon]

Question: if instant reply is used, but a new post is made after you've loaded the page, will the instant reply see the new post and add it, or will it just show the post you're making?
It appears to only show the post you made, though there is an active bug report (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/bugs35.php?do=view&bugid=29) about it that Mike has confirmed.

[GreggH]

Is full text search working on this board now?

[deVillefort]

Looking good, guys. :)

[Pooh]

You can also manage individual posts directly on the showthread page. From here you can move a post or posts to a different thread, or to a new thread completely. You can merge multiple posts into a single post, delete or undelete posts and approve/un-approve posts in the moderation queue.

Call me a nerd, but this excites me !!!

[Floris]

Call me a nerd, but this excites me !!!
*nerd*

:p

I'm excited too, can't wait for the bugs to be fixed and features to be finished and the .zip to be ready!

[Steve Machol]

Is full text search working on this board now?
Yes.

[Bema Jinn]

Hmm...

I'm constantly getting the "post not read" boldness and icon.

I've refreshed, full refreshed, etc.

And i can't log out, i'd rather not clear my cookies because it's a lot of effort remembering all my passwords for all my sites.

[MR-2ZZ]

Looks like things are coming together nicely!

[GreggH]

Yes.

I tried doing a phrase search, but its not working. I searched on "mysql table" with the quotes and I got the name number of results for it as without the quotes. When you put a term in quotes its still performing an AND search instead of a phrase search.

[Mike Sullivan]

I tried doing a phrase search, but its not working. I searched on "mysql table" with the quotes and I got the name number of results for it as without the quotes. When you put a term in quotes its still performing an AND search instead of a phrase search.
Phrase search only works in boolean mode. An idea would be to detect if the searcher is using boolean-only features (and/or/not, phrase search) and automatically switch to that search method (if they have permission).

[Mike Sullivan]

Hmm...

I'm constantly getting the "post not read" boldness and icon.

I've refreshed, full refreshed, etc.

And i can't log out, i'd rather not clear my cookies because it's a lot of effort remembering all my passwords for all my sites.
If you're using the AJAX quick reply, it's a known issue.

[GreggH]

Phrase search only works in boolean mode. An idea would be to detect if the searcher is using boolean-only features (and/or/not, phrase search) and automatically switch to that search method (if they have permission).

I don't understand. How would a user search for an exact phrase?

[Steve Machol]

I searched for "mysql table" with Boolean Search and it worked for me.

[GreggH]

I searched for "mysql table" with Boolean Search and it worked for me.

But it doesn't return results for threads containing the exact phrase "mysql table". It returns the regular AND results of all threads containing the word mysql and table in any order. Try the search with and without the quotes, you will see you get the same number of results.

[Steve Machol]

Every result I checked (I chose the post option) had the exact phrase:

mysql table

[zetetic]

But it doesn't return results for threads containing the exact phrase "mysql table". It returns the regular AND results of all threads containing the word mysql and table in any order. Try the search with and without the quotes, you will see you get the same number of results.
Are you changing the "search type" to 'boolean' at the bottom of the search page? When I did that I got 165 hits for "mysql table" and 300 for mysql table.

[Hiall]

sexy, sexy very sexy

[Lurk]

Wow, the preview showed up quite unexpectedly. When I visited, I never knew that it would have been put up. Nice one!

[Lurk]

Wow, that was unexpected. The quickreply box is now instant?

[WhSox21]

Wow, that was unexpected. The quickreply box is now instant?
That's correct. Although they are working a few bugs out at the moment. :)

[xmitchx]

I love it! It looks greeeat so far. I can't wait for the new plugin and hooks architecture :)

[Tailfeathers]

I have a question. Right now, you would have to teach all your members that to use the attach bbcode, you have to look at the URL, see the ID, plus it in the bbcode, etc... seems a bit complicated. Might this be improved/simplified?

[0ptima]

I have a question. Right now, you would have to teach all your members that to use the attach bbcode, you have to look at the URL, see the ID, plus it in the bbcode, etc... seems a bit complicated. Might this be improved/simplified?

Something like an attachment browser would be nice

[HappyPike]

Indeed, making the attachment code more user friendly would be nice. :)

Speed does seem to be faster. :)

[Cap'n Steve]

I agree that the [attach] bbcode sounds a little too advanced for the average user.

And did I read that right that you're not only adding hooks for plugins, but also changing the variable names? What's the point of that? Are the database structure and function names still the same?

[zetetic]

And did I read that right that you're not only adding hooks for plugins, but also changing the variable names? What's the point of that? Are the database structure and function names still the same? Freddie's post back on page four (http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?p=863440#post863440) says there have been changes to the DB class, GPC variable initialization and $vboptions. Not sure exactly what that means, though. :)

[almqdad]

the word Excellent is just not enough

[mOdEtWo]

Er, why doesn't the Ajax features work in Opera 8? (Yes, JS is enabled)

o_O

Gah, don't tell me Opera doesn't support it!

[hollyboy]

I see lot of guys trying to test in the test forum, but apart the quick reply what should we test?