Scrap vbulletin.org and vbulletintemplates.com

[RichM]

Hi,

Firstly, i understand that people are not going to like this idea as many people are dedicated to the two boards that i am about to mention.

However I feel that these two boards are not very active which automatically makes them not so appealing, there has been several disputes on the way they operate and that does not represent vBulletin very well at all.

I personally think it would be a good idea to get rid of both vbulletin.org and vbulletintemplates.com and just add more forums (child forums) to vbulletin.com/forum. That way people won't have to sign up on 3 different boards to receive;

- Support
- Hacks
- Templates

I think it would be best to have one single board, by doing so vbulletin.com/forum would have a bigger and more active community. This would also make vBulletin.com/forum more interesting as there would obviously be more discussion. Threads posted in the support forums would get replied to much quicker as well. All in all it would make vBulletin.com/forum's community bigger, which in my opinion, would be better than having 3 separate boards.

For a start I can't even access vbulletintemplates.com because of the email thing, though my details are correct. It took me a while to be able to fully access vbulletin.org as well. Having just one board (i.e. this one) would eliminate those issues for people who have those problems.

It would also be easier for Jelsoft to run these things at their own standard. I remember Wayne (I think) not being happy about the way the two sites were ran.

Some people may say that they should not put all of their eggs in one basket, though I personally feel that it would benefit vBulletin more and would make things easier and better for their customers.

[Wayne Luke]

Ongoing work is being done with these communities to increase their attractiveness. The hacking community at vBulletin.org was created for both legal and logistical purposes that still exist today. vBulletintemplates was created for personal reasons which may or may not continue to exist.

[filburt1]

Ongoing work is being done with these communities to increase their attractiveness. The hacking community at vBulletin.org was created for both legal and logistical purposes that still exist today. vBulletintemplates was created for personal reasons which may or may not continue to exist.
To clarify, vB.org and vBT are their own separate sites as Jelsoft doesn't support modifying any of the code and creating a more unstable product.

[rebelsrock06]

vBulletintemplates was created for personal reasons which may or may not continue to exist.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: NOOOOO, vbtemplates is like my fav modification board, without it i wouldnt have HALF the stuff on my boards

[rebelsrock06]

also about the activity.

PPL go and get the mods and hacks and use them, it doesnt mean they have to post all the time

VBtemps has over 16,500 members and VB.org has over 47,000, so im just curious but WTF do you consider to be an "ACTIVE" board.....60...70...100 thousand members ?

[RichM]

also about the activity.

PPL go and get the mods and hacks and use them, it doesnt mean they have to post all the time

VBtemps has over 16,500 members and VB.org has over 47,000, so im just curious but WTF do you consider to be an "ACTIVE" board.....60...70...100 thousand members ?I mean active members, i.e. ones that go there on a daily basis and post. vb.org on the other hand has that so it seems though there are threads saying it has died down. So that just gave me the whole idea.

[rebelsrock06]

Like i said tho, its a place where ppl go to get the mods and hack. Now unless they are like HUGE fans and post all the time or are making a request or are saying thanks to the creator, there arent going to be a lot of posts.

Then again i post a lot w/e i go so :p

[RichM]

there arent going to be a lot of posts.Well in my opinion that just gives it even more of a reason to be on vBulletin.com/forums instead. The other boards not having that much post activity is not a good thing. Therefore I don't really see a need for 3 boards when there could be 1 board to serve all purposes.
I am not sure about the legal factor, as i don't know much about that, I won't be disputing it.

[rebelsrock06]

WEll it causes for confusion and like they said

Jelsoft does NOT support modifying the code to make a more unstable product, therefore they will not allow it on the TechSupport forums

IMO i think they should stay seperate forums....not that they are schelduled to change or anything

[AWS]

I agree that template and graphics discussions should be here. vb.org on the other hand should stay although some changes need to be addressed and Wayne is taking care of them.
Jelsoft doesn't support code modified boards so having the mod community here would make no sense. It's better to have it as a sperate resource where support for modded boards would be handled.
vbtemplates however is a different story. There is no reason for it not to be here. Everyone modifies styles and since doing so uses features built in to vb and doesn't take code mods then it should be supported here. The support and knowledge here is superb. The support on the other sites leaves a lot to be desired.
My suggestion would be to create a couple more style forums to compliment what is already here and cut the ties to vbtemplates.

[Zachery]

I am staff both here and vBuletin Templates, and the lack of acitivity has been declining, we are starting to get more trafic again. The lack of support there is not really true, i go there as soon as im done making my rounds here and try to best anwser the questions, however, it does hurt when people dont contribute back, ive released most of the major mods template wise :) and it was nice to see today someone released a very awsome style for free download. I believe that the slow period of the vBulletinTEmplates.com has passed and the activity will resume again soon :

[AWS]

It is still a forum that would be better served here. There is a graphic and template forum already set up here. Why not expand upon it? The quality of support is better here. The community atmosphere is better here. Rarely do you see someone say "your site sucks" or something else abusive.
Another problem is new owners of vb probably find this all confusing.

[Zachery]

I dont understand how a new owner would find vBT any more confusing than vB.org

[Wayne Luke]

I dont understand how a new owner would find vBT any more confusing than vB.org
I think that, he means how a new owner would be confused on how come they have to register at vbulletin.org for hacks and wait an hour for it to update and then for a template edit they now have to register at vBulletintemplates.com and wait an hour to get the template modification and then they need to come here for general support.

[Zachery]

Ah, i thought it was directed directly at vBT and not both.

[Shining Arcanine]

I also would prefer to see vBulletin.com handle templates.

[Zachery]

We do, and i anwser any template questions i can here in the Templates area or in the how do i section.

[Brad.loo]

IMO both sites should stay,

vBorg deals with hacks and supporting hacked boards, this keeps such disscussion off vBulletin.com which is a good thing as most customers do not modify their code anyway.

vBt deals with styles, templates, and graphics which are allowed here. But vBt gose a bit further with the template mods, a lot of the stuff released over there used to be hack only, and vB 3 has made it much easier to do most of the modifications via the templates only.

Both sites allow the nitch vB communitys to operate outside this site, this also allows us to modify vBulletin to suit the needs of these sites. Something that could not be done if they where hosted on vB.com.

IMHO a better solution is having all 4 customer boards use the same member database so we could do away with the vaildation required on each site for each acount.

[IDN]

vB.org is useless now with lack of support. vBT is just boring. Tried there once. I'm losing faith in vB all together (Not just the hacking point of view, everything) and IPB 2.0 looks quite nice in the admin point of view and feature wise.

We'll see what happens when my license expires in the next week.

[ManagerJosh]

Perhaps you'd like to volunteer to point either vBT or vB.org in the right direction IDN? :)

[IDN]

I don't know what's going on with vBT as I stopped visiting almost a year ago. (With one post and a lot of watcing) As for vB.org there seems to be no more love. In the past month in just the vB3 modification requests there have been over 16 pages of threads that have 2 posts or less. Almost all of those threads are bumps. There is no help anything and the staff are too immature and arrogant to run the forums. (The Admins have been mature). Jelsoft is working on fixing the staff issue, maybe the love and help will join and follow.

[Shining Arcanine]

We do, and i anwser any template questions i can here in the Templates area or in the how do i section.
Let me rephrase what I said, I would prefer to see vBulletin.com officially handle templates.

[rebelsrock06]

Even those mods that the members create ? ??

[0ptima]

VBT should be merged here and VB.org should remain as is.

[ManagerJosh]

I don't know what's going on with vBT as I stopped visiting almost a year ago. (With one post and a lot of watcing) As for vB.org there seems to be no more love. In the past month in just the vB3 modification requests there have been over 16 pages of threads that have 2 posts or less. Almost all of those threads are bumps. There is no help anything and the staff are too immature and arrogant to run the forums. (The Admins have been mature). Jelsoft is working on fixing the staff issue, maybe the love and help will join and follow.
Are you volunteering to fix the problems at vB.org and vBT and bring back the love minus the milllion bumped threads? :confused:

[Brad.loo]

Reguardless of who is in charge such issues take time to solve, there is nothing the current staff or a new staff could do today that would fix these issues tomorrow or even next week.

A lot has changed in the last two months behind the scences of these sites, we work with jelsoft more regularly, and the staff meets once every month or so to disscuss the current issues and situation of the resource sites.

You guys need to give the staff more time to work on this, problems within a community like this take a soild and well thought out approch and much time.

[IDN]

Are you volunteering to fix the problems at vB.org and vBT and bring back the love minus the milllion bumped threads? :confused:

I'm sure neither you or I can do any help. It's much more. A few people don't make a community. Besides, it's not just the lack or help.

[assassingod]

vBulletin.org is quite active at the moment, and I think we all know that this is due to vBulletin 3 being released. As for mountains of pages of vB3 hack requests, this could of be been predicited. vB.org activness had declined ever so slightly when vB3 Beta 3 was released, because people were moving to vB3 (Although told it was unwise to). That was around a year ago, and now that vB.org has been releasing vB3 hacks for 5 months now, activity has been coming back. Now for the reason to why there are mountain of pages of requests, as I said could of been foreseen, I believe the same thing happened with a vB2 major release, but with vB3, I suspect a lot of people don't know the code very well and making hacks would be hard for them (Althought hacking vB3 is easier). Now i'm not saying that everyone should go and learn PHP and make their own hacks because that rude and would make vB.org redundent by defeating the purpose of the side - To give the vB community hacks. It will take time before known or not known hackers master the code perfectly.

[sabret00the]

i agree with what you said about the member database thing, although i think only vb.org and vBT shoud share datbases.

regarding what's going on behind the scenes the regs will never know unless they're told ;) :o

i think the sites are improving though, so shouldn't be written off, everyone should just try and hold on and be faithful for a little while long, if by the end of summer you feel nothing has improved or changed then start revolting but at the moment i think we as regulars to the sister sites can best assist them with our support, suggestions and activity.

on the issue of hack requests, i tried to make service requests a priviledge via hack releases which would've stimulated hacks being made in service requests but the idea was declined (for the meanwhile atleast) however i think it's a huge issue that so little hack requests are acknowledged or made :( although the people that do actually make them should really be awarded as some great hacks come out of service requests, i know i've requested some great hacks that i wouldn't use myself but just wanted to throw the idea in the air.

[ManagerJosh]

I'm sure neither you or I can do any help. It's much more. A few people don't make a community. Besides, it's not just the lack or help.
Agreed however there still needs to be leadership to push it in the right direction though IDN.

[Dolby]

I still like vb org and havent seen any problems with it... I visit there every couple of days and there is always a few new hacks to check out.

As for vbt its a site I really dont need since I make my own templates and graphics.

If they wanted to increase traffic maybe some hacking contest would be in order. Give away some Nvidia or ATI video cards or something to the HOTM.

[Zachery]

Supply the Nvidia or ATI video cards for us to give away? ^^

[Dolby]

vBulletin is the one with the money. ;)

I'm sure if vbulletin's PR person talked with the PR person of either video card company they could give ya a couple cards at a low price for the purpose of giving away.

[IDN]

Agreed however there still needs to be leadership to push it in the right direction though IDN.
That is what Wayne is going to do. We can only wait and hope.

[SaN-DeeP]

Ongoing work is being done with these communities to increase their attractiveness. The hacking community at vBulletin.org was created for both legal and logistical purposes that still exist today. vBulletintemplates was created for personal reasons which may or may not continue to exist.
I fully agree with this reply itself.
no need to check rest of replies. i guess.

vb.org is one of the best site for jelsoft.
i recommend, keeping it seperate from current forums. else. its gonna make a big search for users to SEARCH for new posts etc. ;) many other reasons too.

vbt.com honesty. there are very very few threads which lead to modifications.
infact zac is all alone running/taking care of that site :)

people, need/search for new skins/templates when they install there boards.
but its alas to say tht, since the release of vb 3.0 gold there is just 1 nice SKIN for vb 3.0
this is said.
vbt.com is growing too slow


what i can suggest. is merger of both vb.org and vbt.com


Sandy...

[rebelsrock06]

what i can suggest. is merger of both vb.org and vbt.com


This is the only logical suggestion ive heard. There are a lot of ppl here saying that they dont use VbT or they dont like it. Well it seems to me if they dont use it then leave it alone, because there are a lot of us who do use it.

BUT

If push comes to shove id like to see VbT and .ORG merged NOT Vbt Being abolished

[AWS]

Let vbt be what it is. Just another vbulletin style site run by a third party that has moved on and doesn't even participate in the community any longer.
Expand on the style and template mod forums here or create the style forums at vb.org. It would probably be better suited here to keep the distinction that vb.org is a code modding site.

[Zachery]

HTML is code, and it is modified ;) vB.org used to have a tempalte area before vBt was popular and before the vB3 upgrade.

[AWS]

HTML is code, and it is modified ;) vB.org used to have a tempalte area before vBt was popular and before the vB3 upgrade.
I know the history. I've been around here a long time. My member number will tell you that.
There was a code hacking forum here at one time. It was closed shortly after vb.org opened. As far as vbt goes I'm not sure anyone knows how it became the home of template mods.

[Zachery]

I know you have been, vBt was made by Saintdog, it was so popular and was receving tons of stuff, the vB2 modifcations list is so huge, I believe it was brought on due to its popularity, i signed up not but 2 months after it opened and im member number 2000~ or somthing.

[AWS]

I think you have vbt confused with vb.org. As far as I can tell vb.org started in Sept 2001. I got that from Chens profile. He reged on Sept 20 2001 and since he is the creator along with Sinecure that should be the open date. It seems that opening day was Oct 29 2001. That date and dates forward show as reg date for early users. First post that I could find except for the ones imported from here was on Oct 21 2001.
I reged on Nov 18 2001. I am user 2020.
Saintdog registered May 23 2002 so I take that to be the day that site was created. First post that I could find was June 2003. I'm sure they prune. If they didn't then what happened to all the posts from May 2002 to June 2003?
I reged August 2 2002. I signed up 3 months after it opened and my user id is 1217. You must have calculated your signup date wrong.

[Xenon]

I am user 2020
remove the ending 0 and you have mine ;)

But, you're just half correct, vbulletin.org existed before Sept 2001, Chen and Lyle just restarted it, but there was vbulletin.org lead by Ed Sullivan during the days of vb 1.... (and i was even registred there :))

[Zachery]

Yeap that was a mistake. However, over 1000 people to register in the first few months is quite abit, but vBt was added because of its popularity, and i was off abit i remember my userid being higher (1308) :)

Join Date: 08-06-2002

[AWS]

I don't think it was added because of popularity. Even Waynes post above seems to say that.
We had a good talk about history didn't we?

[Zachery]

Well i registered there when it first started and it was soley run by SD, it had no Jelsoft affilation, after a few months they got moved to the license system, im not exactly sure how it happened but it did.

[Dave#]

If anyone can sort out this mess it's Wayne Luke, perhaps he could get some on the excellent staff from VBadmins to assist - they certainly seem to know what they are doing.

Maybe they could use their new 'gang' thing to drum up more activity in the forums :)

[Kathy]

Awww ((( Dave# ))) You are so sweet to us. :D

[Arkham]

I reged on Nov 18 2001. I am user 2020.
Neato -- I just checked, and I'm (THX-)1138! ;)

[ManagerJosh]

If anyone can sort out this mess it's Wayne Luke, perhaps he could get some on the excellent staff from VBadmins to assist - they certainly seem to know what they are doing.

Maybe they could use their new 'gang' thing to drum up more activity in the forums :)
Let's just draft people instead :D

[sabret00the]

Maybe they could use their new 'gang' thing to drum up more activity in the forums lol, it wouldn't be a bad idea, as with what Josh said, it wouldn't be a bad idea to draft people from the sister sites.

[Dave#]

lol, it wouldn't be a bad idea, as with what Josh said, it wouldn't be a bad idea to draft people from the sister sites.
We could even write some new forum bots and get rid of the humans altogether - vb_skynet innit

[the Sandman]

We could even write some new forum bots and get rid of the humans altogether - vb_skynet innitJust you and the bots, eh? :)

[Dave#]

Just you and the bots, eh? :) yeah great idea again

|'m going to put a website together to document all these great ideas

[Xenon]

We could even write some new forum bots and get rid of the humans altogether - vb_skynet innit
I wanted to do that, but Jelsoft didn't allow me ;)

[IDN]

vBulletin.org is a waste of bandwidth and time. Get rid of it altogether and make it a hack archive since it is nearly impossible to get any help whatsoever at those forums. Users won't know the difference.

Free boards probably get more support then what is at those forums. vB 3 looks and feels exactly like IPB 1.2 anyways. :rolleyes:

[Xenon]

Well, you must mean another vbulletin.org than the one i browse daily.

Of course not every request is answered, but from what i can see a lot of them are.
And if you think that these are not enought, then feel free to help out there and answer the help searching people's questions, there is noone holding you back.

[IDN]

I do not know PHP, and i'm sure if I learned it would be buggy code.

I'm guessing your have not visied here? http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=37

Almost every thread is empty or is full of bumps. All 22 pages of it in the past month.

[Xenon]

well, i can see a lot of answered threads in that forum as well.

i agree, that there could and should be more of them, but that's beyond my possibilities. It's in the users hand to fulfil more of the requests. So why not learn php and help us?
everyone started coding once, and i'm sure noone could say the first coding attempts were perfect, at least mine weren'T ^^

[Zachery]

Aside from the Request threads, look thought release threads at the support given, 99% of the time its in a timely fassion to the users requests, and everyone trys to help each other out.

However, there are some requests that are just beyond that for free hack work.

[IDN]

You're a little biased, don't you think Xenon?

I don't see why I should help users of a product that I don't support.

[Xenon]

nah i don't think i am.
I help people as much as possible.

But that attitudeI don't see why I should help users of a product that I don't support. is exactly the thing you are complaining about.
You don't see why you should help such users. Well, then others don't see why to help user, or especially why to help you.
And i would be able to say the same, why should i help users?

vbulletin.org was always a users helping users community.
It was never a site where all customers of vb can go to get help on every question by members of the Jelsoftstaff.

[IDN]

I don't support vBulletin anymore, why should I help their clients? If I knew PHP and this was before, I would help users at vBulletin.org.

[Wayne Luke]

I don't support vBulletin anymore, why should I help their clients? If I knew PHP and this was before, I would help users at vBulletin.org.
Then why bother coming here and causing problems all the time?

[IDN]

I have as much right to be here as anyone else as I still own a license. I'm voicing my problems and not causing trouble by breaking the rules.

[filburt1]

I believe what Wayne meant is that you have thouroughly voiced your concerns for months. You have made problems, if they exist, clear to the people who operate the trio of Jelsoft official sites, and it is now time for those people to handle such matters. The situation is not helped by repeated slander of the product, its developers, its support team, and even those people who have no official part in the product at all.

Now of course I will be attacked for making this post (probably in an infamous quote-by-quote format), but once again I am not trying to take sides, simply stating the matter at hand.

[IDN]

If they do not want to hear opinions on this matter why is this thread still opened? They don't like the opinions and then they cry foul. I was a faithful vBulletin members up until a few weeks ago, so I don't understand how I could of caused 'trouble' for the past months on this subject.

[Arkham]

I do not know PHP, and i'm sure if I learned it would be buggy code.

I'm guessing your have not visied here? http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=37

Almost every thread is empty or is full of bumps. All 22 pages of it in the past month.
The requests forum isn't a good indicator. Forums like that are generally low-traffic side-forums, at least on the sites I see them. Not to mention that a lot of the requests there are either pointless, too specific to one person, unrealistic, or just dupes.

Are you maybe upset over a request of yours that went unanswered?